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Demonskrye> Don't forget that brief flashback in "Hunter's Moon" where Demona is pursued by the Renaissance Hunter...
Gantros
Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:59:30 AM
IP: 67.189.1.250

Gregarius> I hat to be the one to burst your bubble, but I think the "see above" referred to something a little farther above in Greg's response:

"1a. Some yes, some no. I know where Dark Ages ends -- with "Awakening, Part One"."

So it looks like Greg definitely intended to have "Dark Ages" end sometime shortly before the events of "Awakening, Part One". (I'm not going to assume that the last episode of "Dark Ages" would leave off exactly where "Gargoyles" starts.) I think anything that we'd be interested in seeing were "Dark Ages" to continue past "Awakening" was pretty well covered in "Avalon" and "City of Stone" via flashback.

Demonskrye - [<---Jim Hill Media]
Saturday, April 16, 2005 11:01:09 PM
IP: 146.115.115.131

GREGARIUS - Yes, that, plus I didn't catch Ethnar's question (it was run together with a comment about gargoyle navels in such a way that made the "gargoyle navels" part appear more prominent, and I don't get that involved in discussions about gargoyle biology, largely because I'm not a strong expert on biology to begin with). Sorry about that.

(And I sometimes do regret TGS when I discover how many people have become confused by it and thought it to be a genuine "official" continuation of the series rather than just a fan-made product.)

Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, April 16, 2005 06:37:37 PM
IP: 4.244.12.101

Ethnar>> I tried to answer your question as best I could. I guess Todd didn't see anything he could add.

Dark Ages beyond "Awakenings"???>> I came across something interesting in a recently answered post on Ask Greg (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=8032) Look at question 1d:

d) Dark Ages: Since this one could theoretically run up to the beginning of "Awakening", I won't ask if you have an ending in mind.

And the response:

c) [You had two (c)s, as well.] See above. The war doesn't end the series.

d) See above.

Interesting....

JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Saturday, April 16, 2005 05:44:52 PM
IP: 4.247.152.115

Vertigo1/DVD News>> The only relevant second season DVD reference in Ask Greg for the last two months was this response on Feb 11:

"The first season is currently available on DVD. Disney is evaluating sales figures now to decide on whether another release will follow."

That's all we've heard on that front.

Ethnar>> How are you being ignored?

Alex Garg - [<-- Cited AG Answer]
VA, USA
Saturday, April 16, 2005 03:51:15 PM
IP: 216.145.68.246

Yep, im ignnored
Ethnar
Saturday, April 16, 2005 02:56:42 PM
IP: 69.233.141.187

The announcement was made here on AG folks. Search back a month or two and you'll find it.

As for Gargoyles & CGI...I can see that working if they did it like Fox did Titan AE.

Vertigo1
TN, USA
Saturday, April 16, 2005 01:58:14 PM
IP: 66.119.34.57

spen: You just definately spend some time in a male locker room, ton's of jock's straps. But bring a nose plug you'll turn green in a second^.^. CGI honestly would be cool, one word *animatrix*. But i'd fear it would be to much, cgi is still extremely expensive, and to much of a risk. But animation/cel/computers would be great, really give gargoyles an extremely crisp feel.
dan
Saturday, April 16, 2005 11:30:38 AM
IP: 68.42.18.157

Since nothing else is going on here, I thought I'd broach a topic:

I was reading Ask Greg archives earlier this week and came across a post where Greg said he'd originally intended for Gargoyles 2198 to be CGI.
So my question for everyone is, How would you feel if Gargoyles or one if its spin-offs was brought back in CGI rather than traditional animation?

CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Saturday, April 16, 2005 11:04:03 AM
IP: 64.192.79.127

Shara : You can talk about that if you want, I don't run the site so I have no say in the matter, I'm just not a good person to ask about that because I barely know what a jock strap is.
Spen
Friday, April 15, 2005 08:58:12 PM
IP: 207.177.11.252

*drops in to say hello to comment room folks* Hello Comment Room Folks!!!!
Phoenyx
Memphis, TN, USA
Friday, April 15, 2005 08:29:46 PM
IP: 135.214.66.240

If one of the doctors or nurses in a hospital yells stat, then they get teased for weeks afterward for being a huge dork. More often then not they say things like "We need to type and cross match him right away".

At least, that's what I've learned in the Department of Medicine. Maybe Surgery does it differently. They're always a little weitrd, those ones.

Whitbourne
Friday, April 15, 2005 06:23:14 AM
IP: 142.177.159.236

Battle Beast: Feel better. And remember, the only way to get anything quickly in hospitals is to yell out, "I need a such-and-such STAT!". Or at least that's how they do it on TV.

Shara: go ahead with measurements. I've always been under the impression this is an equal opportunity preversity forum.

CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Friday, April 15, 2005 02:42:53 AM
IP: 64.192.79.127

Note: I'm aware she's probably burned out a bit after her Harry Potter fanfic and is busy playing City of Heroes (those MMOs are real time sinks, I play EVE Online, myself).
Gantros
Friday, April 15, 2005 01:08:18 AM
IP: 67.189.1.250

I don't know if it's anything to be worried about, but Christine Morgan hasn't updated her garg site in over a month, and it's been more months still since there was anything gargoyle related. What happened to these last few stories to wrap her saga that she was supposed to write?
Gantros
Friday, April 15, 2005 01:06:12 AM
IP: 67.189.1.250

Spen >If where talking about demonas bra size? Can we talk about goliath's um um jock strap size for the women? ;-)
Shara
Friday, April 15, 2005 12:35:49 AM
IP: 209.179.252.75

I'll find out all I can at comic con this year about the dvd's. LIke I said before they did have a collectors box displayed at comic con at one pannel that I caught the end of. Then I'll bring the comic con info with me to the gathering.
Shara
Friday, April 15, 2005 12:35:00 AM
IP: 209.179.252.75

Hey, all. I am tpying from a hospital labtop... i am in for a viral infectiona nd this is the strongest i've been in while... i ampretty tired right now, but...

vertigo> where did you get that info from?

That is all i will say.

Battle Beast
CanadaThursday, April 14, 2005 11:49:13 PM
IP: 198.53.28.99

Vertigo1: "crystal: Greg made an announcement concerning the season 2 DVDs a while back. It pretty much said that they're really considering working on them given the DVD sales. Thats all the "official" (note the quotes) word we've gotten."

Where? Where'd you hear that? Where?!! :P

D. Taina
Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:13:02 PM
IP: 172.150.43.249

What no Hyena pic? too bad.

Greg Bishansky : I'm not an expert, but I think Demona's bra size would be around 34 C, but I don't know for sure.

Spen
Thursday, April 14, 2005 09:09:14 PM
IP: 207.177.11.252

crystal: Greg made an announcement concerning the season 2 DVDs a while back. It pretty much said that they're really considering working on them given the DVD sales. Thats all the "official" (note the quotes) word we've gotten.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Thursday, April 14, 2005 08:58:17 PM
IP: 66.119.34.57

Don't forget - you've got a chance to tell your tale of The Eye of Odin for this year's Gathering Anthology. In 3000 words (or less) or in black and white or color illustration (we need both interior and cover art)fill in a little more of the Eye of Odin saga either pre or post "Eye of the Beholder". But don't wait. May 1st is the Deadline for all your submissions.

For the rest of "this story" click or cut and paste

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=20

Good luck!

kathy
Thursday, April 14, 2005 08:26:57 AM
IP: 66.82.9.82

CRYSTAL - No one knows. (Except maybe the execs at Disney, who so far haven't said anything about it.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, April 14, 2005 07:48:43 AM
IP: 4.244.12.198

May I ask a question when is season two coming to DVD.
crystal - [kratala@yahhoo.com]
Waco, AZ, USA
Thursday, April 14, 2005 01:06:49 AM
IP: 69.154.229.126

May I ask a question when is season two coming to DVD.
crystal - [kratala@yahhoo.com]
Waco, AZ, USA
Thursday, April 14, 2005 01:06:29 AM
IP: 69.154.229.126

Ack! that was me, sorry 'bout that. Filled out everything but me name. silly Wingless
Wingless
Wednesday, April 13, 2005 07:15:13 PM
IP: 70.28.12.78

Jurgan - I like that Theory. Xanatos's father being Odin - what a revelation that would be. Then again, would not oberon have picked up on him-especially having him fire an iron spear gun into Oberon's chest.

Another thought-going back in the story a bit. With the revelation of Television - I can't help but wonder what the Garg's reaction to a daylight scene or a shot of the sunlight would have been like. It's not the real thing-but seeing a bright blue sky for the first time must have been an experience for them.

Anonymous
Wednesday, April 13, 2005 07:14:33 PM
IP: 70.28.12.78

JURGAN - Amusing notion about Petros and Odin, but I doubt that it's the case in the Gargoyles Universe. Remember that, in "The Gathering Part One", Odin had returned to Avalon, and we even saw him play a prominent role in the opening scene at the Gathering where he got into a fight with the Banshee. (I wonder if they chose Odin for the part because they knew that they'd be having his voice actor there anyway to play Petros, and decided that it'd be more economic to give Norman an extra role than find another one of the Oberon's Children voice actors.) Odin, like the rest of the Third Race, stayed behind on Avalon while Oberon left for Manhattan to haul Puck back, and I find it highly unlikely that he could have slipped off the island to get to the Eyrie Building and become Petros - especially since Petros is shown just arriving at the Eyrie Building well before Oberon and Boudicca materialize in Central Park. So I doubt that there's any more significance in Odin and Petros having the same voice actor than, say, Brooklyn, Owen, and the Magus having the same voice actor.

(Come to think of it, Odin and Petros's voice actor also did the part of King Kenneth in "Avalon Part One", and obviously Kenneth couldn't have been Odin in disguise.)

Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, April 13, 2005 06:56:04 PM
IP: 4.244.12.119

Lurker coming out of the woodwork with an odd creativity demon I had the other day. As we know, Fox's mother and Titania are the same person, and we got a big clue to that because Kate Mulgrew voiced both of them. Given that, has anyone ever considered the possibility that Xanatos's father is in fact... Odin?

Yes, I know it's an absurd idea, and I'm mostly joking, although I do kind of like the thought of David and Fox both being Half-Third Race (1.5th Race?).

Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, April 13, 2005 05:13:47 PM
IP: 199.79.252.68

And Ask Greg is up. The problem is that theres a router down somewhere between you and AG. I've had this problem ever since the hickup with the sql database. The only reason I can still post is because I'm connecting over an anonymous proxy server instead of directly.

proxy.ia2.marketscore.com port 80

Vertigo1
TN, USA
Wednesday, April 13, 2005 04:42:55 PM
IP: 66.119.34.57

I am one of those who had every season 1 episode on tape (Disney-made tape, no less). I was very excited about the first season release on dvd, but mainly, for the extras. I did buy 2 sets, but only watched the first couple episodes and those extras. I also have every episode of season 2 (and chronicles) on tape/dvd. I will still buy an official release of season 2 if/when it comes out. Not only do I have the episodes, but every comic from Marvel, the big Goliath figure from Applause, and created a few music videos last year. At some point, I'm going to create a bonus feature disc to go with the Gargoyle season sets. I've got a few commercials, those music videos I mentioned, that behind the scenes look from the Awakening movie, and a bunch of screenshots that I may put together as a slideshow. Actually, I haven't done anything Gargoyles related in quite some time. I was looking for a good webservice provider in order to put my videos on the internet, but I've pretty much given up that search. I had one video up on an old website, but couldn't upload any more due to file-size limitations. Maybe one day, I'll return to Gargoyles. As it is, I lurk in here at least once a week, just to check on things. I can't attend the gathering this year, but there's always next year.
Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, April 13, 2005 02:28:17 PM
IP: 63.135.41.165

Raptor >> Sure we can discuss the DVDs. You might not get much of a response from some of the regulars here because they were released in December and have kinda been discussed to death already (plus so many Gargoyles fans already had the episodes on VHS or bootleg-DVDs, so it wasn't THAT big a deal for many to finally get DVDs). But I'm sure a few will be game, not to mention there seems to be a number of new posters who've dropped by within the past week or two who'd probably be willing to talk DVDs.

Did you just recently pick them up ? How much did you get them for ? Watch it all yet, or are you only indulging a little at a time so you can savor the eps ? I was thinking of doing that at first, until I realized Season 2 wouldn't be following any time soon and that there was no way thirteen 22-minute episodes and a few extras would last me over a year or however long it takes to get another set.
Favorite Season 1 episodes ?
Favorite character(s) ?
Anything in particular stand out now that you didn't notice when you originally watched the series on TV ?

Kris - [plekopleko@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:28:45 AM
IP: 69.17.169.178

:ignoring Ethnar: j/k
Is that name Scandanavian at all?
Anyway Re: TGS stories>> Yup, they're what a group of fans imagined Gargoyles and its spinoffs would be like. Ask Todd; I've read TimeDancer material from him, and I also believe he did stuff for the main series.

Yo, Todd, I *really* think you or one of your compatriots (if there are any in this comment room -- I honestly don't know :sheepish grin:) should field this fellow's question.
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:27:47 PM
IP: 4.247.176.191

cant help but feel ignored lol
Ethnar
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 08:46:01 PM
IP: 69.233.141.187

MATT - I see Xanatos and Goliath's working together in "City of Stone" as a partnership rather than a case of the gargoyles working for Xanatos.

(What interest me most about their alliance in "City of Stone", incidentally, is how much it breaks the conventions of hero/villain short-term team-ups in cartoons. These things happen quite often in animation, but usually it uses the following pattern:

1. After the dilemma becomes apparent, the hero suggests to the villain that they work together. The villain initially refuses, out of pride or stubbornness or some such motive, but winds up giving in at last when it becomes clear that this really is an emergency.

2. The villain only grudgingly helps, doesn't really contribute that much to solving the problem, and afterwards tries back-stabbing the hero - but fortunately fails.

By contrast, in "City of Stone", it's Xanatos who first recognizes the scale of the emergency and proposes to Goliath that they work together to stop it - with Goliath initially being more prepared to rip Xanatos apart limb from limb for helping Demona curse the city, but yielding when Xanatos, in his usual common-sense style, asks him what is more important: "Vengeance, or a solution?" Xanatos is the one who figures out how to undo Demona's spell and works out the plan for making the sky burn. He holds faithfully to the plan throughout rather than trying to betray the gargoyles for his personal advantage, and even lets them go afterwards, just like that. Refreshing, I must say.)

Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 06:44:13 PM
IP: 4.244.18.152

Matt Fews> !Spoiler Alert!







It is but according to TVTome.com, They find out each other's secrets (Jake finds out first, Rose later), but unlike most series, After Rose finds out Jake's secret and faces a moral dilemma (she was about to kill him and has her master in the area), she simply transfers schools afterward and is not seen again in the series.
Gantros
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 04:42:28 PM
IP: 67.189.1.250

Spacebabie:> Mating Ceremony> Congtats. Will it be in costume? :D
Leo
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 01:55:00 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Just to venture off-topic for a bit, did anyone catch that SuperVolcano special on the Discovery channel on Sunday?
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 01:50:14 PM
IP: 66.119.34.57

I've been following American Dragon for quite some time now and is it me or does the Rose/Jake relationship seem similar to that of Bruce Wayne/Selina Kyle aka Batman/Catwoman.
Matt Fews
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:56:25 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83

Spacebabie and Revel > Go you!
kathy
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 09:00:51 AM
IP: 66.82.9.46

Todd, I believe you've forgotten the City of Stone episodes where Xanatos did indeed need Goliath & co to be his personal hench-critters. Granted it was to save the city, but they still agreed to that.
Matt Fews
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 08:16:58 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83

I know this is way out there, but I couldn't help but get the feeling that the Mutates were VERY loosely based on the Thundercats, if in name only. The Mutates are humanoid cats with electrical abilities ("Thunder...Cats", get it?. Even Talon's facial profile reminds me of the Thundercats symbol (if you were to look at it from the side). But that's where the similarity ends. Just a little observation there.
Gantros
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 01:29:40 AM
IP: 67.189.1.250

I think there's three ways you could go about replacing the loss of Xanatos' use as a villan:
The easiest way is to create a long-term concern of common interest that would require working together, albiet relunctantly. It would probably be Thailog (who Greg said would be important in a third season) or someone/something new. Demona could be done, but it would feel a little out of character for her to me, and I don't think they would be confronting the Illumanati except via their pawns (Quarrymen, etc.) The Canmore family is certainly bigger than just Robyn, John, and Jason, maybe some new hunters? But that might be more of Bad Guys material.
Or Xanatos may try to help the clan, but would causing them more trouble. Not because there was something wrong with his plan per se, but because of the clan's actions or outside influence of some kind. Or becuase causing the trouble was part of the plan.
Or Xanatos could stay an occasional villan, the clan just wouldn't know it was him. Which is what I feel would most like Xanatos.

As for living with the Xanatos', the only good way they could explain that away would be for Brooklyn to quip, "We're protecting the city FROM them!"

Another thing sort of broached was Xanatos' penchant for Gargoyle-substitutes. Had he tried anything like that before he met clan? Demona had told him the clan would swear fealty to him, but still- did he get the Gargoyles so he could use them as such or did he get the idea from seeing the clan (and/or Demona). I.e. did he want the clan to replace his pre-Steel Clan robots or did he only start making the robots after his plans didn't work out. Or did he intend to replace them all from the beginning? They had to have started building those Steel Clan before "Awakening".

CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:13:25 AM
IP: 64.192.79.127

Well, since we were talking last week about needing a good discussion topic, here's one that I thought I'd bring up.

Every now and then, I've seen people feel disappointed about Xanatos no longer being the gargoyles' enemy after "The Gathering" (and especially after "Hunter's Moon"), particularly in light of his being the main series antagonist. Yet this occurred to me; could Xanatos have really worked that well as a long-term adversary? In many ways he was a great opponent: he was extremely clever, ruthless, and wealthy enough to afford lots of equipment and followers to assist him in fights against the gargoyles, and was even more dangerous in that he was too level-headed to make all the conventional villain mistakes (unlike, say, Demona or the Archmage). But there was one potential weak point here: the motivation in going after the gargoyles.

Xanatos's motives in "Awakening" are clear enough and work; he wanted the gargoyles to work for him as his own secret henchmen, creatures of immense strength to carry out various covert errands (like stealing technology from Cyberbiotics). But after the gargs found out the truth about him, Xanatos obviously could no longer use them for that purpose. Goliath certainly wouldn't be duped twice. In fact, I'd say that it was fairly clear in the series that Xanatos knew that the ship had sailed, since he began switching over to various ways of coming up with his own gargoyles: the Steel Clan, the Mutates, and Thailog. The very fact that he was embarking on that course was an admission on his part that having Goliath and his clan as his henchmen was no longer an option.

So, with the original reason for his interest in them now obsolete, what motivation would Xanatos have for pursuing the gargoyles? If he had the mentality of a conventional cliched cartoon villain, then the answer would be obvious: the revenge route. But Xanatos has no interest in revenge, being too sensible for that, so that wouldn't be an option. He's too practical to go gargoyle-hunting without it having some tangible benefit to himself, and I'm not certain what tangible benefit was left after "Awakening". (He made a few attempts at going after them in Season One, of course, all the way down to "Re-Awakening", but I suspect that he had ulterior motives in those cases; his real goal in "The Thrill of the Hunt" was to test the Pack's skills, in "The Edge", his purpose was to test his new armor and reassure himself, by doing personal battle with Goliath, that he wasn't getting rusty, and presumably in "Re-Awakening" his real deep-down motive in sending Coldstone after Goliath was to put him through the proving grounds as well before sending him on other errands - such as breaking into the Golden Cup Bakery.) The one exception was "The Price", of course, where Xanatos had a practical need for a gargoyle in order to use the Cauldron of Life.

I think that the series did a good job in finding reasons for Xanatos to still clash with the gargoyles (using them as unwitting testers for his latest weaponry, duping them into helping him out with a plan that wasn't directed mainly at them but which needed them to work - such as destroying Sevarius's "cure" for Derek or supplying him with the Phoenix Gate so that he could go back to 975 and lay the foundations for his own wealth, etc.) - and even finding ways where Xanatos wasn't actually targetting the gargoyles at all but they still got involved (including his final battle with Goliath in "Cloud Fathers", where Xanatos's target was Coyote the Trickster and the gargoyles only showed up because Avalon had sent them there). Still, I'm not certain that you could stretch out a situation of hostilities between the gargoyles and Xanatos indefinitely when it was already clear that Xanatos's reason for pursuing them was now obsolete.

So having them become allies worked as a way to keep Xanatos on and even keep things fresh, I think. One potential tension in that situation (which, unfortunately, the Goliath Chronicles passed up) was the fact that the gargoyles now needed Xanatos's protection once they were exposed to the city; he was the only one with the resources to keep them safe. But, alongside the question of how much Goliath and his clan could trust Xanatos to begin with (though Goliath himself admits in "The Journey" that at least Xanatos would not smash them in their stone sleep), there's another issue: the public don't know all the details about Xanatos's shady activities, but they do know that he's been in prison (and so has his wife) - Travis Marshall even brings it up in his news broadcasts at least twice (in "The Edge" and "The Gathering Part One"). We can be certain that a lot of people would suspect that Mr. X isn't the most trustworthy figure out there - and with all the rumors about his sheltering the gargoyles, how is that likely to affect their view of the clan? (I can easily imagine many people speculating that Xanatos came up with the gargoyles as some sort of laboratory creation to serve him - even Halcyon Renard initially thought that to be the case in "Outfoxed".) Just imagine the gargoyles trying to convince the humans that they're protecting the city, and getting the question "If you're crimefighters, why are you living with an ex-felon - or two ex-felons if you include his wife?" Certainly not an easy question to answer.

Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, April 11, 2005 07:08:26 PM
IP: 4.244.12.29

A amting ceremony uh? well COngratulations!!!! Just, Erm... refrain from actually mating infront of everyone. Granted it is Vegas, but I think they still arrest people for ludeness.

Vetigo> You sick of the rain yet?

Phoenyx
Memphis, TN, USA
Monday, April 11, 2005 05:58:09 PM
IP: 135.214.66.241

I take it wardrobe malfunctions are encouraged? ;)

j/k

Vertigo1
TN, USA
Monday, April 11, 2005 04:43:53 PM
IP: 66.119.34.57

LOL mating ceremony vegas style? never seen a mating ceremony before isnt that on hbo after hours ;-)
Shara
Monday, April 11, 2005 12:47:55 PM
IP: 209.179.250.202

10th

Come to the Gathering...and stay for the mating ceremony, Vegas style.

Spacebabie and Revel
Monday, April 11, 2005 11:07:20 AM
IP: 69.161.157.101

9th!
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Monday, April 11, 2005 02:22:14 AM
IP: 66.119.34.57

9TH as for last weeka discusion i think gargs have navals cause they are peices of art and art represtents the maker so they slightly imitate humans. on another note, is the garg saga made up by fans so is it likr published fan fiction?
Ethnar
riv, CA
Monday, April 11, 2005 02:21:47 AM
IP: 69.233.141.187

I might as well be eighth... What are we doing here anyway? I was hoping this would be a good place to gush all over the excellent and awesome Gargoyles dvd Disney finally decided to produce for us since Ask Greg is down. *blink*
Raptor
San Diego, CA, USA!!!
Monday, April 11, 2005 02:05:04 AM
IP: 216.20.251.168

7th!
Leo
Monday, April 11, 2005 12:52:19 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236

6th ain't bad...
matt
Monday, April 11, 2005 12:43:39 AM
IP: 68.95.57.103

5th is just as good...
kjay - [tigonesskay@netzero.com]
fort bliss, tx, usa
Monday, April 11, 2005 12:25:32 AM
IP: 68.161.91.169

4th!
Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Monday, April 11, 2005 12:19:07 AM
IP: 63.135.41.165

Third, and it be a fine ordinal number, don't ye think?
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Monday, April 11, 2005 12:14:20 AM
IP: 4.247.128.103

2nd!!!!! Everybody have a GREAT week!

Randy
Austin, tx
Monday, April 11, 2005 12:02:45 AM
IP: 24.250.189.242

Am I first? Hehe yes!
mascubanana
Monday, April 11, 2005 12:00:15 AM
IP: 160.39.105.72