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Comments for the week ending April 3, 2011

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Ahh, only 40 minutes left, but happy birthday, Warcrafter!
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

Happy Birthday Warcrafter
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?

Happy Birthday, Warcrafter.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Uh, the good news is that his air supply is holding out..." "What's the bad news?" "The bad news is that he isn't breathing." - Vince Pelligrino and Avery Butler, ExoSquad

Hi people, it's me. Not much to say, except . . . HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!
Warcrafter
Stephen King is God . . . in a sense.

Paul> Glad someone fell for it. I almost decided not to torment everyone with that, but then I saw the Ask Greg responses and figured I should join in.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

I gotta say -- Greg's responses to those five posts was by far one of the best antics of April Fool's I've seen all day. That, and Colbert singing Rebecca Black's "Friday" on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon XD
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Brainiac: Nice trick. I always forget to take everything on the Kalends of April with a grain of salt.
Paul - [nampahcfluap@yahoo.com]

My Gargoyles-fu is crap this week.

Ding: HAH! Baby Thom is awesome!

The horrible thing about Death is if she did show up in Young Justice she'd probably be very kind and gentle and horrifyingly matter-of-fact about things. For 22 minutes she acts as a mentor of sorts then, in the last 10 seconds, she turns to Aqualad and says "Ready to go?". Cut (not fade, mind you, CUT) to black. And legions thrust their fists into the air as they look up and scream FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU~~~

Then Anubis pops in the next episode and is all "LOL! I was trapped last week by some jerk, so Aqualad is A-OKAY!"

And Death gives him the finger while wearing her 30 Minute Workout outfit.

With rainbow legwarmers.

Man, Sandman was an awesome series.

Gorebash

Whoa. Apparently, Boom's decision was right on the money. Disney and Marvel just announced new collaborations, including Gargoyles. There's a blog about right here: http://dovegreyreader.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451584369e2014e87261069970d-800wi
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Greg B> I wasn't to sure that Greg W doing work for DC would be problematic, but it doesn't hurt to be sure.

Anyway, this one is funny: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=13176

No, not the April Fools response, but the person basically saying "It'd be great if you'd give me special treatment and provide me with a spoiler."

But okay, The Artemis/Kid Flash being cousins joke was the best of his responses.

Antiyonder

Aw, too bad Greg said "April Fools!" I was hoping he was just going to answer that way from now on. Smartass Greg on steroids.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

I remember watching this episode of Family Matters when I recognized Thom Adcox's voice. He only has two lines, but he's in the clip from :40 to 1:55. Circa 1989

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgFAfQMPdCc&feature=related

Richard Jackson - [rickymtj@yahoo.com]

Antiyonder> I don't think these days working for Marvel and DC would be a problem. In the 1960s, Gene Colan and Gil Kane would use pseudonyms ("Adam Austin" and "Scott Edward", respectivley) when they started working for Marvel. http://www.thefifthbranch.com/gorilladaze/?m=200908 Vince Colletta worked for both Marvel and DC in the 1970s as an inker, but was fired from DC for showing Jack Kirby's Fourth World art off at the Marvel office after being admonished not to. This was related by Mark Evanier, Kirby's assistant at the time. http://www.povonline.com/notes/Notes050507.htm

Times have changed and Dan Jurgens worked on Aquaman and Thor concurrently for awhile and Peter David worked on Supergirl and Captain Marvel (Marvel) concurrently for several years, both in the early 2000s.

Richard Jackson

ANTIYONDER> Why wouldn't they? I doubt he's signed an exclusive.
Greg Bishansky - [GBishansky@gmail.com]

You'd probably want to throw in the flashbacks from "Reawakening" and "Avalon Part One" as well.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Uh, the good news is that his air supply is holding out..." "What's the bad news?" "The bad news is that he isn't breathing." - Vince Pelligrino and Avery Butler, ExoSquad

As I was writing that line I was thinking "this is probably a CoS flashback", but was way too lazy to double-check. Figures.

Let's edit all the 994 events in Awakenings and CoS together into a single show and call it Awakenings: The Extended Version.

Gorebash

My first episode was "Temptation"... so, yeah...
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Uh, the good news is that his air supply is holding out..." "What's the bad news?" "The bad news is that he isn't breathing." - Vince Pelligrino and Avery Butler, ExoSquad

Todd> I first saw Gargoyles as Gargoyles: The Movie on VHS. I don't recall if I thought Demona had been destroyed, but I think I did. When Demona met up with Goliath in the present, I didn't really think it was her. I thought she was some kind of imposter or she was under Xanatos's control somehow. I was watching it as a movie and I didn't even know it was a TV series until later.
Richard Jackson - [rickymtj@yahoo.com]

Sorry for the double post.

Todd> Well, I've seens Reawakening before seeing the pilot, so that was a moot point for me, but I imagine that since she was the only other gargoyle to receive focus aside from the main six that it was an indicator that she'd be around.

Even then, the little silhouette in Part 3 would render than question moot.

Antiyonder - [antiyonder@yahoo.com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.

Now that I think about it, with Greg currently working of DC Comics Young Justice, would Marvel bring him aboard for a possible Gargoyles comic?
Antiyonder - [antiyonder@yahoo.com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.

GOREBASH - Good analysis of Demona - though her "What have I - what have they done to you?" line was in "City of Stone Part One".

(I've sometimes wondered how many people believed, the first time they saw "Awakening", that Demona really had been killed by the Vikings during the sack of Castle Wyvern along with the other gargoyles. I suspected that we'd see her again, since her bitter attitude towards the humans in Part One seemed much bigger than a one-shot character.)

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]

Gorebash> Demona's a great character. You start right off with that great scene in Awakenings where she says something like "What have I... what have THEY done..."

That was in City of Stone Part 1 actually, but it was preceded by flashbacks from Awakening.

Antiyonder - [antiyonder@yahoo.com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.

Paul: I think the similarities are only surface deep.

Broadway was simply naive about guns (and movies; not separating the fantasy movie world of guns and reality) and he learned his lesson in a very powerful way that he'll never forget. He won't make that mistake again.

Demona is... complicated. I think she takes the anger and guilt she feels towards herself (re: Wyvern massacre and things since) and projects it onto humans. By shifting the blame off herself she never confronts the root cause of a lot of her problems: herself. Therefore she won't learn and change like Broadway.

If anything I think Demona and Broadway are an excellent example of contrast in personality. Broadway learns from his mistakes (he stopped calling Angela "Angie" first) and becomes a better person. Demona does not learn from her mistakes and only strengthens her resolve that she is righteous and "they" are wrong, evil, etc..

Demona's a great character. You start right off with that great scene in Awakenings where she says something like "What have I... what have THEY done..." and right there the first wall goes up and then we have a thousand year gap for that wall to be fortified and refortified until it's a ten-foot thick, mile-high, steel construction that not even a nuclear bomb could penetrate, let alone silly notions like the "love" for a "daughter".

Gorebash

Let me see: four times five is twelve, and four times six is thirteen, and four times seven is -- oh dear! I shall never get to twenty at that rate!
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I DID IT!!! I WATCHED ALL 485 BEST PICTURE NOMINEES IN ONE YEAR!!!

Paul> Broadway did in fact become very anti-gun after "Deadly Force" even though Elisa survived. He would often destroy guns whenever he could and sometimes when a gun might've been useful to him. For instance, in "Pendragon", Broadway and Griff both manage to nab Lightning Guns, but while Griff keeps his and uses it both in that episode and in the comics to great effect, Broadway immediatly destroys the one he captured without hesitation.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Uh, the good news is that his air supply is holding out..." "What's the bad news?" "The bad news is that he isn't breathing." - Vince Pelligrino and Avery Butler, ExoSquad

Supermorff: The red dots denote tropes that are subjective rather than objective, and as such should be moved to the page's "YMMV" (Your Mileage May Vary) tab by the next responsible editor.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"Hey you, get off of my cloud!..." Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones

Brainiac> No, I agree there's clearly no missing ramble and never has been. The fact that Gore totally skipped over #894 when posting the rambles is a pure coincidence!

Also, I'm always in favour of telling people about TV Tropes. I haven't been there myself for a while, though. Why are some of the bullet points on Greg's page red?

Supermorff

After seeing "Deadly Force" again, I was struck by (as I saw it) some similarities between Broadway's attitude toward guns and Demona's attitude toward humans. It seems to me that they both have similar roots: bad decisions regarding guns and humans, respectively, that had severe ramifications for their closest friends.

I wonder: If Elisa had died from that gun accident, could Broadway have become as violently opposed to guns as Demona was to humans?

Paul - [nampahcfluap@yahoo.com]

Brainiac: At very least, he should definitely be directed to his own Tropes page, especially because it currently needs quite a bit more love. XD

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GregWeisman

Speaking of which, I'm thinking it would be neat if some of us filed his best smart-ass responses under the "Crowning Moment of Funny" folder on his page, LOL.

Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"Hey you, get off of my cloud!..." Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones

Patrick, don't lie like that. The Wise Man who leads us all would not like you putting on airs and claiming his rank. <snicker>

Speaking of Weisman, who among us thinks he needs to be sent a link to the eternal timesink of the internet after admitting in his most recent response he doesn't know what "Sixth Ranger Status" means?

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

One. <_<
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

Silly Greg, we all know you're a mere thirty-six...your avatar proves it. Don't try to hide it from us. ;P

And as for me...umm...forty-seven? XD

Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"Hey you, get off of my cloud!..." Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones

LANDON - Thanks for mentioning Marvel's adaptation of "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz". I bought the graphic novel collection a while ago (and of the sequel, "The Marvelous Land of Oz"), and recommend both to everyone here.

Eric Shanower, the writer of these adaptations (in a sense; the real author, of course, is L. Frank Baum), is a big Oz fan (he's also done an excellent graphic novel adaptation of the Trojan War legend, called "Age of Bronze", which I also recommend), and even incorporated some "alternate lines" in his adaptation from a collection of stories Baum wrote that included scenes from "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" (for example, the Scarecrow, as he explains to Dorothy about his desire for a brain, says "It seems to me that a body is only a machine for brains to direct. And those who have no brains themselves are liable to be directed by others. But I may be wrong. I'm only a scarecrow, you know.").

The character designs often differ from the familiar images from the movie, or W.W. Denslow's illustrations in the original book (the Tin Woodman has a big moustache, for example), but capture the characters' essence well. And don't miss his adaptation of "The Marvelous Land of Oz", the sequel to "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz", which, alongside the familiar figures of the Scarecrow, the Tin Woodman, and Glinda, introduces new characters, such as the Woggle-Bug (a giant insect with an excellent education and a fondness for puns - puns that everyone else groans at).

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]

Two.

;)

Greg Bishansky - [GBishansky@gmail.com]

Eighteen.
Gorebash

I'm sure Greg, Gorebash, and anyone else involved with the site have no idea what all of you are talking about. There is no missing ramble.

To those I mentioned (among others), I simply say...thirty-six.

Heh-heh-heh.

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Hmmm, it's gone. Maybe BOOM! didn't like that info to be public.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

Ummm . . . anyone else having trouble fining Greg's recent ramble about the Gargoyles Comic?

Wasn't it between the recent YJ and Ask Greg rambles?

0.o

Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

The Flaming C takes on Klarion the Witch Boy in the latest Conan/Young Justice crossover: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/03/30/conan-obrien-the-flaming-c-vs-klarion-the-witch-boy-video/
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

Antiyonder here from the library.

Landon Thomas> That's nice to hear. Makes it seem plausible.

Phil: Well, Marvel has had some alternate continuum titles which for as long as they last handled under one writer. There was the original Spider-Girl comics by Tom DeFalco, and the recently ended X-Men Forever and XF2 which was completely written by Chris Claremount.

Anonymous

Antiyonder - From http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30874 - "Marvel and Disney Publishing will debut DISNEY•PIXAR PRESENTS, a new monthly magazine featuring some of the most popular characters from the acclaimed Disney/Pixar films. Intended for readers of all ages and priced at $5.99, the first issue will hit stores in May 2011."

It's a magazine separate from the Marvel universe but it is published by Marvel. Marvel does print stuff outside of their superhero universe. For example, the Wonderful Wizard of Oz has been very successful recently.

Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

Hi all,

I'm coming in here totally off topic, but I need a bit of help. Does anyone have the Gargoyles colouring books and access to a scanner? I'm looking for an image of Demona with her wings open, snarling. It's for an Art Theft situation... You can email me scans if you have them.

Thanks!

Karine "Kanthara" Charlebois - [kanthara@gmail.com]

I'm trying to stay optimistic about the possibility of a Gargoyles comic from Marvel, but I have to admit I have some concerns. Mainly because I was unimpressed by their first attempt at a Gargoyles comic.
Admittedly, I don't read any Marvel comics right now, so all my opinions are based on assumption and heresay. (Please feel free to set me straight if I'm misjudging anything.) One reason I'm not into Superhero comics (DC or Marvel) is because I love a good, cohesive, consistent mythology. But it seems to me that every time the creative team changes on a comic title, they feel the need to retcon a new backstory and "take things in a new direction".
In order for me to be excited about a Gargoyles comic I would need to be fairly assured that Greg Weisman is and always will be in control. For a smaller publisher like SLG or Boom! that can happen, but Marvel (especially Disney-owned Marvel) is a machine. They know how to make comics and I don't think they'll be flexible with their formula.
Also, although the Spider-Man / Gargoyles radio drama was fun, the two universes wouldn't mix well. (I wouldn't be opposed to a Gargoyles crossover though, as long as it's with Pendragon, Bad Guys, Heroes of Ulster, etc.)

Phil - [p1anderson@yahoo.com]

1 "Gargoyles fans should be heartened that we made an impact with BOOM! and we can do the same with Marvel."

And I'm hoping that I'm wrong, but since Marvel has it's own action/adventure universe, would they really have an incentive to give Gargoyles a shot?

Boom on the other hand had they not been discouraged seemed like they would benefit from it more. But I suppose as long as the trade sales pick up, and the current DA titles consider to sell, Marvel might want to cash in on Disney Nostalgia.

2. Unrelated to the Gargoyles/Boom discussion, but with help from my stepmom, I found the remain YJ figures at McDonalds. Have to share Greg W's comment that they could have made the female characters marketed as girls toys so that the option to have Miss Martian and Arrowette would have been available.

Antiyonder - [antiyonder@yahoo.com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.

Ice> "Thinking about it almost makes me want to ramble about how I got into the show."

Be free to knock yourself out, man. We're all fellow fans here. :D

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582@gmail.com]
Grr. Arg.

I forgot nearly everything about Gargoyles from when I was a kid up to when I really got into the show almost 4 years ago. The only two things I really remembered were the names of Goliath and Lexington, Goliaths appearnace, I think the appearance of the trio probably and Bronx. I think I completly forgot about everything else. Though, with Goliath and Bronx, I remembered them from happy meal toys in a toy box I'd look in every now and then on the occasional visits I used to have at my Grandma's house.

Thinking about it almost makes me want to ramble about how I got into the show.

ice - [lcetyrant@hotmail.com]

Patrick - I just want to clarify your 2nd sentence. BOOM! was excited to continue Disney licensing almost a full year after the merger announcement, as exhibited by their new plans for Gargoyles last summer. They only changed their policy after Disney refused to renew their Pixar license.

I remember Dan Vado expressing hesitancy about licensing from Disney post-merger but I don't recall anything like that from BOOM! Disney apparently fired the first shot by withdrawing their Pixar license. After that, BOOM! decided get out of the burgeoning growing-brands-for-Disney-to-later-reclaim business.

Gargoyles fans should be heartened that we made an impact with BOOM! and we can do the same with Marvel.

Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

Disney did not "say no" to Boom! as I understand of Greg's ramble. Rather, Boom! decided not to pursue any more Disney licenses now that Disney owns Marvel. Which makes sound business sense, because why invest in making something only to have Disney take it away and give it to competitor?
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

Well, for starters, we can go to Tom Brevoort's formspring and ask for "Gargoyles." He's the Senior Vice-President for Publishing at Marvel Comics.
Greg Bishansky - [GBishansky@gmail.com]

Sorry to hear that Disney said no to BOOM!, but as Landon Thomas says, we're used to the absence of "Gargoyles" comics for now.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]

So much for Boom Comics. Hopefully Marvel will start doing Gargoyles comics...
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582@gmail.com]
Grr. Arg.

Just because I like unraveling past tidbits of info after we learn more later, remember this infamous Twitter conversion?

@Demona_Gargoyle
The "Make a REAL Gargoyles Movie, Disney!" Facebook group has over 1,000 members now. Good. I shall triumph! Do you hear me, @boomstudios?!

@boomstudios
@Demona_Gargoyle OH!!! We HEAR you!!! :)

@Demona_Gargoyle
@boomstudios I only pester you because I know a comic book about us would be in good hands with you. ;)

@boomstudios
@Demona_Gargoyle hrmmm...THAT sounds like an idea! :)
---

It all happened on August 5th. Comic-Con ended July 25th. BOOM! was probably still expecting a prompt response from Disney at that point.

Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

Wow, a lot of news today. Reducing Young Justice from 26 episodes in season 1 to 10 in season 2 and calling it a mini-series is a bit odd, but hey, a pick-up is a pick-up and 36 episodes is a lot of great content. Go Greg!

I don't really see the Gargoyles news as that bad (when the status quo has been no comics for years anyway). It means BOOM! was truly and genuinely interested in making a Gargoyles comic and that Marvel/Disney is now interested in making their own content off their old properties instead. Hopefully this doesn't mean they're just "shutting the vault" as it were.

Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

Speaking of Hulu, I've recently started watching a series that I have not watched in years: ExoSquad. AWESOME show. The animation isn't always great, but the storyline is really great and the characters are fun too.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"I'm on a break! Why don't you try giving me one..." -Maggie Weston, ExoSquad

I remember a line from SOMEWHERE (Marvel, Gol-Chron or ???) that goes something like Demona talling Goliath "You're no bastion of morality yourself, Goliath!"

Anyway, I found out that a facebook friend of mine plays on a hockey team called "The Gargoyles," and their team logo is... the Gargoyles Logo. Thought that was pretty neat. I'll have to ask him for a pic of the jersey...

Battle Beast - [Canada]
I DID IT!!! I WATCHED ALL 485 BEST PICTURE NOMINEES IN ONE YEAR!!!

Just an FYI that Ask Greg isn't going to be taking new questions for a little while. It'll open back up this summer.
Gorebash

Todd> It's so strange that you mention X-Men: Evolution. I recently started watching that series on Hulu (and by recently I mean I started watching on Sunday) I saw the episodes when they originally aired, but my memories were fuzzy (except for a few Nightcrawler centric episodes, I remembered he started dating a girl who liked the way he looked, and I remembered liking that, but I couldn't remember anything else that happened in the series.) and I've really enjoyed re-watching them.
Chip - [<------The League of Extraordinary Nerds Here!]
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason." C. S. Lewis

....What? >:[ =(
Rebel

A new trailer for Young Justice shows recent episodes: http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=996

Young Justice will be all repeats in April: http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=997

Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

I made an acquaintance in an "X-Men: Evolution" forum some years ago who'd seen "Gargoyles" and vaguely remembered it (one of the parts that she did remember was Matt's search for the Illuminati), but she didn't have any misremembrances that I can recall.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]

Does anyone else remember that person that posted in here a few years ago that kept talking about certain scenes that never happened with such conviction and detail that some of us (including yours truly) began to wonder if somehow we had misinterpreted or completely missed seeing these scenes? That was weird. I think one of her(?) claims was that there was a scene where Macbeth and Demona had a serious discussion about their romantic relationship or something like that and it clearly wasn't regarding the events of "Sanctuary".
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"All of nature trembles at my passing." "I can see why..." *cue rimshot!* - Broadway and Lexington, Awakening, Part One

Well, one bit that rather amused me when a brief thread on the series appeared on Pojo (a gaming and hobby-based message board) was this gem of a complaint...

"The thing I remembered most was missing a couple episodes ended up in the viewer being totally lost. One minute goliath is in New York, the next he is on a boat and becomes a god or something."

Not sure how someone misses, at minimum, 16 episodes ("The Price" to "The Eye of the Storm") and doesn't expect to get lost, but hey, the World Tour airing schedule was trippy. XD

Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"Hey you, get off of my cloud!..." Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones

****A giant cricket bounds into the Room, gives a couple chirps, and morphs into Blaise.**** Well, let's get some conversation started.

(MIS)REMEMBERING GARGOYLES> A couple of new entries over at the GargWiki (yes, they were put up by me) deal with reference books mentioning Gargoyles that get a few of the details wrong (saying Elisa is of mixed Asian and Afro-Caribbean stock, for example). While I was doing that, it reminded me of something.
A little over a week ago, while I was on a set shooting the bull with fellow performers, I struck up a conversation with one that somehow got onto the subject of the Disney Afternoon. Naturally, that led to me asking him if he had ever seen Gargoyles. Indeed he did, and remembered it rather fondly, but not very accurately. Some of the things that came up:
*He remembered a "Desdemona" character as being part of the main cast, but not THE Desdemona/Coldfire. I eventually figured out he was talking about Elisa (although he may have gotten Demona mixed up in there as well...somehow).
*He did not remember Hudson at all! When I mentioned Hudson--"the old one with the beard, armor and sword"--he said something along the lines of, "But he wasn't in it that much, was he? I mean, maybe the beginning but he was gone after that, right?"
*At one point I mentioned Griff, and he said, "Oh yeah! Griff! He was the fat one!" You can imagine my reaction. With some prompting he was able to separate Griff and Broadway.
*His recollection of Xanatos was...somewhat off. He didn't remember the name, but he did know that the gargoyles fought "some billionaire dude who was always trying to force Eliza [that's how he pronounced her name] to marry him." I don't know WHERE he got that from. I'm wondering if maybe he got Xanatos and Dracon mixed up (no, Dracon didn't want to marry Elisa, but...well, I could see how someone would think he'd want to do something to her). I tried to explain that Xanatos had no designs on Elisa and had married Fox of the Pack. He had no idea who she was.
I'm sure there were more but that's all I can remember. Which gives me an idea for a topic of discussion:

Do any of you know of someone who remembered Gargoyles but didn't remember the details correctly? Or, heck, did you yourself misremember things about the series? What DID they/you think happened?

Until next time! ****Blaise does a back-flip and dives into a pitcher on the buffet table.****

Blaise
"Some days you're the pigeon. Some days you're the statue."

Phil: Not saying we should, but IF we did go all Illuminati in the Top Ten, it (sadly) just might be the most active week we've had here in a while . . . (at least, the most active since the last time we got any information regarding BOOM!'s potential interest in picking up the comic, or from the latest rumor of the not-in-production, non-Gargoyles-but-Disney-Gargoyles film)

Oh, and not really a discussion starter, but as there's no Young Justice for this week and next week (returns April 8th, right?) it might be nice to give Greg Weisman a brief reprieve and close the submissions page in the meantime.

Granted, it's really for Greg W, Todd, and Gore to decide, but it can't hurt to take a break when the queue is loading up on various questions from folks asking just when the show's returning (among other repeatedly-favorited YJ questions).

I've also haven't considered a Young Justice comic potentially coming out in that time frame, but I still thought I'd share my two cents **shrug**

Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Rebel> Lol! Very good.
Supermorff

We could do the ten highest ranked people though:
One #1
Two #2s
Three #3s and
Four #4s

That'd still be ten people... It would get insanely confusing though.

Matt

Supermorff > I'd give you a 10.
Rebel

9

My first time in the countdown. How'd I do?

Supermorff

Eight!

(if we extended the countdown to thirty-six it might take all week at the rate we've been posting lately.

Phil - [p1anderson@yahoo.com]

7
Anthony Tini

This entry is just the tiniest bit of perfection....better known as six.

Does anyone else think we should extend the countdown to thirty-six in honor of the Illuminati one of these days? Heh-heh-heh.

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Cinq-ity cinq!
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"Hey you, get off of my cloud!..." Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones

**Raises FOUR fingers***

. . . I can't do polyglot-marathons tonight. At least, my aching head doesn't want to >_<

Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Triad
Chip - [<------The League of Extraordinary Nerds Here!]
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason." C. S. Lewis

Dos...
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"All of nature trembles at my passing." "I can see why..." *cue rimshot!* - Broadway and Lexington, Awakening, Part One

Un, uno, ein, ichi... you get the idea.
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]