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Comments for the week ending December 1, 2013

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Todd> I have been reading about the "Lost Episodes." Some of them are being re-created from the original script by animating to the original audio, which has been recorded by home viewers in the 60's. They say they have audio for every single episode, including lost episodes.

11 episodes were found in Nigeria, constituting the greatest find of lost WHO episodes. in fact, nine of the episodes complete full serials!

There are still 97 missing episodes.

Battle Beast - [Canada]
I did it! I watched all 485 Best picture nominees in 365 days!

Maybe it'll pick up next week when "Rain of the Ghosts" is published on Tuesday.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

I think this may have been a record low comment week.
Spen

Not all of them do, Todd, I'm sad to say.

I have been slowly making my way through every episode of the Classic Series, but I've had to skip more than a few, because there's absolutely nothing left of those episodes.

That being said...Two complete serials from the Second Doctor's era were recently found and restored by the BBC. They are available EXCLUSIVELY on iTunes, for around $10 each.

Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.~~C.S. Lewis

Sorry for the double post, but:

If you see the episodes of the original series on DVD, Battle Beast, and you've got a DVD that includes the "production notes" version (which, presumably, will be all of them - at least, all the ones that I've come across), I advise you to watch the "production notes" version after you've seen the regular version. It shows subtitles that give lots of fascinating information about the making of the episode (where and how it was filmed, the inspiration for the story, changes made to the script in the process of filming, and references to or influences from history, literature, myth and legend, and even current events - for example, a story that I recently watched on DVD, "The Green Death", was influenced by both the coal mines in Wales shutting down in the late 60's and early 70's and the environmental concerns that were becoming prominent around the same time). I suggest you watch the episodes in their regular form first, so that you can concentrate on the story, and then watch the "production notes" version and focus on the information it gives.

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

BATTLE BEAST - I should warn you that some of the early episodes of the original series have been lost (let's just say that the BBC didn't realize back in the 1960's how big "Doctor Who" was going to be), though even the lost episodes have audio tapes, I believe. (I've only seen a few stories from that period, myself.)
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Todd> I'm actually interested, and I am going to look into BOTH the original and the new series.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I did it! I watched all 485 Best picture nominees in 365 days!

Happy St. Andrew's Day! Since St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland, which plays such a major role in "Gargoyles", I thought it appropriate for the comment room.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Todd>>[SPOILER] At least...That's what we THOUGHT happened during the Time War. The 50th Anniversary revealed otherwise. [/SPOILER]
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.~~C.S. Lewis

BATTLE BEAST - And if you decide to start with "Rose", you needn't feel worried about not having seen the original series; the production team deliberately did the first season of the revived series in such a way to make it accessible to anyone coming to "Doctor Who" for the first time, giving just the basic information you need to understand who the Doctor is and what the TARDIS is. Other elements from the initial series (including the Daleks, the Doctor's best-known opponents) are explained as they enter the story. [SPOILER] (The revived series also simplified things by having the Doctor's people, the Time Lords, who'd had a major role in the original series, wiped out in a "time war" during the hiatus period, with the Doctor haunted by their destruction - especially since it turns out he bears the responsibility for it.) [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Thanks again, Todd! I'll look into it!
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I did it! I watched all 485 Best picture nominees in 365 days!

Happy Thanksgiving!
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"

Happy Thanksgiving and Hanukkah combined!
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Happy Thanksgiving, all!
KingCobra582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]

BATTLE BEAST - Yes. I'm not sure which is the best place to begin, with the very first episode "An Unearthly Child", or with the first episode of the relaunch, "Rose". If you're more keen on seeing the relaunched series, BBC America recently came out with a set of the first seven seasons for Blu-Ray (not having Blu-Ray, I haven't bought it, but do know about it from receiving BBC America's catalogues).

Incidentally, "Doctor Who Magazine" did a comic a couple of years ago that was a sort of blend between "Doctor Who" and "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe", in which the TARDIS counterpart was a bookstore called "Phoenix Books". They most likely chose that name to echo "Police Box" (and maybe also as an echo of Penguin Books and Puffin Books), but with a link between the Phoenix and time travel in "Gargoyles"....

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Todd> Yes, it is! Actually, it's kinda made me want to check out Dr. Who some what.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I did it! I watched all 485 Best picture nominees in 365 days!

TODD> Indeed it is.
Algernon
He will have other names before the end. The Storm, the Beast, the Valeyard.

BATTLE BEAST - I noticed that as well. Neat parallel, isn't it?
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Todd>Or Richard E. Grant or Rowan Atkinson.
Harlan Phoenix
The enemy is clever. We're smaller but whatever. When we put it together, I'll form the head.

With all the Doctor WHOpla (I'm not a fan), I wound up reading about missing episodes and other stuff on Doctor Who.

something interesting caught my eye that made a connection to Gargoyles: "After his exile is lifted, the Doctor returns to his travels and demonstrates the ability to reach a destination of his own choosing more often than not. In the 2011 episode "The Doctor's Wife", the Doctor tells the TARDIS (whose matrix, or soul, was temporarily transferred to the character Idris) that she has never been very reliable in taking him where he wanted to go. The TARDIS explains that she always took the Doctor where he needed to be.

Sound like something we know?

I thought this was a neat connection.

Battle Beast - [Canada]
I did it! I watched all 485 Best picture nominees in 365 days!

MALEKITH!
Greg Bishansky
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.

I wonder if nobody's posted "ninth" yet because [SPOILER] they're not sure whether the next one should be John Hurt or Christopher Eccleston [/SPOILER].
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Paul McGann in the Name of The Doctor!
Algernon

Sylvester McCoy
B - [brownie2 at buffalo dot edu]
B

Colin Baker (no relation)
Supermorff

Peter Davison.

MATT - Yep, that's the right one (though he's one of the easiest to get - Tom's the best-known of the Doctors in the original series).

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Never watched this show... but still capable of doing research.

Tom Baker!!!

... Right?

Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"

Jon Pertwee.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"But I'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no...not gonna let 'em catch the Midnight Rider..." - The Allman Brothers Band

Patrick Trouton.


What will be done about Nine, Lucas? Answer me that.

What will #9 be?

Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.~~C.S. Lewis

The Day of The Doctor has come...and gone. Now let's see if we can get the new order done correctly.

William Hartnell!

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!