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Because he still had at least one Steel Clan robot hidden away that could have caught his fall.
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

PAUL> This is the same man who was being held over the side of the Eyrie Building by an enraged Goliath and he smirked and said "go ahead, without me you'd still be gathering moss."
Greg Bishansky

In "Vows," after Goliath talks about leaving Xanatos in the past, Xanatos says "You won't, because you didn't."

How did Xanatos know that Goliath wouldn't/hadn't left him in the past? His letter to himself only told him how to get to the past; at the time he wrote the letter, he didn't know how to get back to the present, and I wouldn't think that he would have written anything that he wasn't absolutely sure about.

Did Xanatos have some backup plan in case Goliath did leave him in the past, that he never had a chance to carry out? Actually, since it's Xanatos I'm talking about, I guess the real question is, what would his plan be in that case?

Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

SPEN - Of course, that one was in the "rewritten" version of "The Sword in the Stone" to make it more adult (the same version that also dropped the Madam Mim adventure and added the wild geese - both the wild geese and the ants were originally from "The Book of Merlyn"), the version that Disney ignored in favor of the original "children's book" version.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Todd: My personal favorite of the "animal transformations" which unfortunately was not in the animated adaptation was when Arthur was transformed into an ant. (Complete with anti-communist commentary!)
Spen

If there is ever a Gargoyles movie, Jennifer Lopez would be a fantastic Eliza!!!! Please someone start a petition to get the big wigs at Disney to see what a franchise this could be.......
Val - [daval32000 at yahoo dot com]

This may have already been posted but just in case it hasn't, I think Darkwing Duck winning the fan vote would bode well for Gargoyles in Disney Infinity down the road. Love Mabel but I'm not sure a character from a show still airing new episodes wouldn't be getting made anyway. Click on my name to vote.
Lonnie

As I mentioned earlier this week, I wonder if that upcoming live-action version of "The Sword in the Stone" will draw on the original book by T. H. White, or exclusively from the animated movie.

There are several adventures in the book that the movie didn't use (while making up one - the squirrel adventure doesn't have a counterpart in the book), and I wonder if the remake will touch on any of them. For example, White had Arthur team up with Robin Hood (probably the first person to come up with that idea - certainly a sign that crossovers aren't limited to fanfics and comics) in rescuing some friends. (There are two versions - technically, three - of that scene. The British edition has Arthur and Robin Hood battling the Anthropophagi, White's adaptation of the "monstrous peoples of the East" in medieval legend, such as men with one leg and an enormous foot they hop about on. The U. S. edition changed the adversary to Morgan le Fay, who's holding a few friends of Arthur's and Robin's, including Friar Tuck, in her castle, guarded by griffons and wyverns - maybe an unfortunate choice from the perspective of the Gargoyles Universe - though White must have rewritten that part a bit too hurriedly; the griffons and wyverns behave in so humanoid a fashion that he may have followed the Anthropophagi battle too closely. The rewrite also mentions cold iron being poison to the faerie-folk - which would be familiar to "Gargoyles" fans, at least. White later did a further rewrite of "The Sword in the Stone" to fit the rest of "The Once and Future King" better that had just one griffon guarding Morgan's castle; he also altered a few other scenes, and even dropped a couple, such as Merlin's duel with Madam Mim that was one of the central points of the Disney adaptation.)

There was also a comically inept battle between two knights (King Pellinore - who did make it into the animated movie - and Sir Grummore Grummorson - who didn't), a visit to the castle of a giant named Galapas, and a few "animal transformation" adventures that didn't make it into the movie (such as Arthur being turned into a hawk - a merlin, appropriately - and spending the evening with the other hawks in Ector's castle, where he has to perch next to a mad old hawk named Cully whose ravings include quotes from "Macbeth", Marlowe's "Doctor Faustus", and Webster's "The Duchess of Malfi").

Or maybe they'll just follow the movie (with the necessary changes for what works in animation not always working in live-action), to avoid worrying about the rights of including anything from the book that didn't make it into the original movie.

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

So how 'bout it? Our next 'write-in' campaign? ;)
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

No "Gargoyles" characters on the official list of choices - pity. But at least a few people who left comments spoke up for them.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Don't know if anyone else has seen this...

http://blogs.disney.com/oh-my-disney/2015/07/23/you-get-to-choose-the-next-disney-infinity-character/

Algernon
"You think to baffle me, you-with your pale faces all in a row, like sheep in a butcher's. You shall be sorry yet, each one of you! You think you have left me without a place to rest; but I have more. My revenge is just begun! I spread it over centuries, and time is on my side. Your girls that you all love are mine already; and through them you and others shall yet be mine-my creatures, to do my bidding and to be my jackals when I want to feed."

Disney is making so many live-action adapations... Eventually they should come to Gargoyles, because they already did everything else...
Neill - [neillgargoyle(a)gmail dot com]
watch my Demona AMV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNGrg5Wm12E

Algernon> Come on, no one would do that. That'd be like trying to turn Green Arrow into Batman.

*snicker*

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Funny how it's announced that Disney's making a live action Sword in the Stone not long after it's announced that there's going to be another King Arthur film in 2016.
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

Maybe there was the thought that with most of the other animated movies they were mining for sequels, the original story ended where the movie did, so there was freedom to explore "what happens next", while "The Sword in the Stone" ended just as Arthur's reign (which was well-documented) was starting. (Not to mention that the rest of T. H. White's Arthurian work was much darker and more "adult", and thus would seem less appealing to make an animated movie out of.)
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

I've always been suprised that with all its mining of its Animated Cinimatic Canon for "Cheapquals" and such, Disney never did much with The Sword in The Stone considering there's an entire mythos for them to mine without even getting into T.H. White specifically.

Kinda like if Warner Brothers did a TV series about Clark Kent decided to end it just as he put on the red and blue tights for the first time.

Algernon
"You think to baffle me, you-with your pale faces all in a row, like sheep in a butcher's. You shall be sorry yet, each one of you! You think you have left me without a place to rest; but I have more. My revenge is just begun! I spread it over centuries, and time is on my side. Your girls that you all love are mine already; and through them you and others shall yet be mine-my creatures, to do my bidding and to be my jackals when I want to feed."

Sorry for the double-post, but one thing I liked about the Disney "Sword in the Stone" was that it fixed a plothole in Malory about the Sword in the Stone feat.

In Malory, after the Sword in the Stone appears as a device to determine the succession, the nobles decide to hold a great tournament at London to attract as many knights in Britain as possible to the spot, making it more likely that the person who can pull the sword out will be among them. Among these are Sir Ector and his family, the newly-knighted Kay and the young Arthur, serving as his squire. When Kay can't find his sword for the tournament, he sends Arthur off to fetch it; Arthur is unable to get into their house (everyone's gone to the jousting and the place is locked up), so he decides to try pulling the sword out of the stone - without any thought, apparently, to the sword's significance, even though the whole reason why they're holding that tournament is because of that same sword. It makes Arthur seem a bit dim (granted, a few of his other actions in Malory, such as leaving Mordred in charge of his kingdom, also seem unwise, though I doubt Malory had that in mind when he wrote the passage).

The animated movie, I think, offered a good solution to the problem. When the Sword in the Stone appears and the gathered nobles try to pull it out and all fail, they give up on it. Years pass by; the sword is forgotten, even overgrown with nettles for a time. The tournament isn't a device to encourage as many knights and lords as possible to come to London and have a go at the sword; it's an attempt to determine the succession to the throne, with the winner becoming the new King of Britain. Thus, the young Arthur's ignorance of the sword's true nature becomes more believable.

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

That would have to wait for a movie adaptation of "The Queen of Air and Darkness" (if one was ever made).
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

<<One of the writers for "Game of Thrones" is doing the screenplay.>>

Then I'd better get some Arthur/Morgause incest!

Greg Bishansky

Tenth.

Disney's now coming out with a live-action remake of "The Sword in the Stone". (I wonder if they'll draw anything from the T. H. White book that the original animated movie was based on, or whether it'll be based exclusively on the animated movie itself.) One of the writers for "Game of Thrones" is doing the screenplay.

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die...

(Consistent countdown theme? What's that?)

Ross

Nu, Naunet, Amun, Amaunet, Kuk, Kauket, Huh and Hauhet.
Algernon
"What devil or what witch was ever so great as Attila, whose blood is in these veins?"

Seven!
Anthony Tini

And once again, I am perfect.

Six if you're picky.

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Joy, Sadness, Anger, Disgust, and Fear!
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Listen, sempai. I don't really care if you guys recognize me as a boy or a girl. In my opinion, it's more important for a person to be recognized for who they are, rather than for what sex they are." - Haruhi Fujioka

Cuatro!
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

Three Rings for the Elven Kings under the sky
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

Two(2nd)Second!!
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
Mark Twain: "Don't argue with stupid people. They'll take you down to their level and beat you with experience."

FIRST!
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka