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Again, I don't think "episode 17" is the same one you mean. Perhaps they played in a different order in Italy- episode 17 actually was "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time." Click on my name if you want to see a list of all the episodes in the correct order (or copy http://gargoyles-fans.org/reviews/index.htm into your navigation bar).

As for what you said about Coyote: Keep in mind, Xanatos was manipulating the Pack through Coyote. He had specific plans for them. That means he'd tell them whatever he needed to in order to keep them doing what he wanted. Coyote knew that Hyena was very violent, so he promised her the chance to kill gargoyles in order to get her involved. Also, Coyote himself is more cruel than Xanatos. He was programmed to want revenge (why Xanatos programmed him that way, I don't know), so he might try to go further than Xanatos would have in getting his revenge.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, Sep 3, 2010 5:49:46 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

Yes, all of them.
In episode 17 Hyena says to Coyote: 'And after catch them all, we kill them.' And Coyote says: 'Exacly': in Italian.
K7OP
posted @ Fri, Sep 3, 2010 5:34:40 am EDT from 109.53.19.204

BRIAN> Did you watch "Gargoyles" in Italian? Maybe some things were lost in translation.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:44:02 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Sorry to keep posting, but I want to make sure I'm clear. "Spilled milk" is an English idiom, and I'm not sure if you know it. It means that there's no reason to get upset when something bad happens, because it's too late to change it.. Basically, what I mean is that Xanatos didn't ever want to kill the gargoyles, but he wouldn't care if some of them died anyway. At this point, I think he's trying a bit harder to keep them out of the way of his schemes, but he's still being pretty callous about it. He probably figures they can handle anything he throws at them without much damage. Truth be told, if he did end up accidentally killing one of them, at this point he might feel a good bit of guilt over it. He did promise that the feud was over and he'd repay Goliath, and I don't think that's a promise he wants to break.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:30:44 pm EDT from 71.204.227.228

Also, you keep saying "episode 17," which was a Macbeth episode. I'm pretty sure you're talking about "Upgrade," where Xanatos and Fox are competing against each other using the gargoyles and the Pack. And... well, that was a weird one. Basically, though, they thought it'd be fun to see who'd win. Frankly, that seems unusually pointless for Xanatos, who typically has more specific goals in mind. Fox, on the other hand, has been shown to be interested in engaging in overly dramatic and dangerous schemes just for fun (see "Outfoxed," where she tries to take over her father's company, basically for fun).
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:25:45 pm EDT from 71.204.227.228

In Leader of the Pack, he wanted to test out the Coyote robot and see how the Pack would perform against the gargoyles with it at the head. More importantly, he wanted a prison break where Fox could act noble and heroic so that she could get an early parole. I think his feeling about the gargoyles was "they probably will survive, but if one or two of them dies... well, spilled milk." Basically, he didn't want to kill them outright, but he didn't really care if they died in the process of one of his plans.

Incidentally, thank you for asking these questions here. Far too many people, upon finding this room, immediately flood Ask Greg with all of their questions, many of which could easily be answered here. We're more than happy to help.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:22:08 pm EDT from 71.204.227.228

Thank you, but you do not understand me(and it is my fault).
Okay about 'Cloud Fathers', but not 'Awakening' but 'Leader of the Pack'.
In this episode and episode 17, he order to Coyote to guide the pack against the gargoyles, and they want kill them; it seems Xanatos had in accordance.
K7OP
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:07:34 pm EDT from 217.201.147.168

I don't believe that he was in episode 17, but killing them was never a primary concern unless it served some purpose. The episodes I can comment on though:

Awakening: He needed to test the Steel Clan robots against actual gargoyles.

Cloud Father: He was setting Goliath and Angela up to die to lure Coyote The Trickster out of hiding. And to draw him out required a sincere attempt at killing them.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:21:14 pm EDT from 71.115.241.194

The episode 1,17 and 'Cloud Fathers', do you remeber them?
K7OP
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:14:11 pm EDT from 217.202.36.1

K7OP> I'm afraid I don't see where you believe he wants or wanted to kill them. Any examples?
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:11:23 pm EDT from 71.115.241.194

Now about again Xanatos, that had hit me: in the first season he want dominate the gargoyles, in the second season season suddenly he wants kill them and now in the comic books he wants dominate them again.
So, could someone of you tell why in the second season suddenly he wants kill them(I hope I am understandable).
K7OP
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 3:47:56 pm EDT from 217.202.36.1

ANTIYONDER> I don't think that's why Xanatos summoned them. He needed them to take on Coldsteel and Coyote during the day, so that everyone would assume his plan had failed, even though it hadn't.

Just found this in ASK GREG:

***

Xanatos was trying to obtain the Stone for himself and give a fake to the Illuminati, but after being told how pointless that was, he went ahead and gave the "original" to Fleur to take to the Illuminati.

The robots were all a distraction, a feint. A way to make Macbeth and Company feel like they accomplished something when in fact they did not. (No sense giving them a reason to investigate further.) Bringing Coldstone and Coldfire in amounts to the same thing. The transport was happening during the day. So X needed witnesses that his attack "failed". Did he have additional reasons for wanting our ColdCouple back in the picture? Well, is he Xanatos?

***

As for what those additional reasons are? Who knows. But I don't think it was to keep Lex and Hudson safe. Keep in mind, Coyote was ordered not to inflict unnecessary harm on them.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 3:16:07 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

K7OP> It's not really simple. While Xanatos will still be coming into conflict with the Gargoyles as evidenced by Clan Building, he will try his best to avoid harming them.

In fact, I believe as stated by others that his reasoning for summoning Coldstone and Coldfire to London was to ensure that they would help to keep Hudson and Lexington safe (as safe as possible anyway).
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 2:24:11 pm EDT from 71.115.241.194

JURGAN - Actually, it's "Quarrymen", not "Quarreymen". There's no "e" between the "r" and the "y".

ALGERNON - Since Mina was cured of Dracula's infection of her immediately following his death, I think that Stoker really did see Dracula as dead (though I wouldn't be surprised if he *did* have a loophole to provide a possible sequel in mind, simply because it gets done so often).

Incidentally, I've mentioned this before, but does anyone here remember that "Real Ghostbusters" episode where the Ghostbusters met a friendly vampire (he drinks artificial blood) being hunted by a mad vampire-hunter named Van Heldun, descended from a long line of vampire hunters by that name who were the original of Van Helsing? I thought that the depiction of Van Heldun and his famiy seemed like almost a foreshadowing of the Canmore Hunters.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1 at mindspring dot com]
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:56:28 am EDT from 4.244.208.247

Thank you again.
You mentioned Xanatos, I've see he is completely different ih the Goliath Chronicles (that serie DISAPPOINTED ME and I really Disney decide to release the comic books in the other countries, mine too Italy).
Xanatos become in the third serie a good guy, suddenly; but in the comic books he doesn't and I've read the comments of three weeks ago and some fans are agree between them Xanatos is hiding something, something not good expecially for the Manhattan clan.
I hope this question is not stupid, but is it probably we will see Xanatos tricks the gargoyles again, the feud in reality is not over right?
K7OP
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:03:24 am EDT from 217.202.194.197

Sorry for the double post, but I really doubt Castaway has any knowledge of Thailog's being in the Illuminati (he might not even know Thailog exists). Keep in mind, Castaway is a lowly 36, just like Thailog and Xanatos. He clearly doesn't know much about the society's larger goals. They funded the Quarreymen, but they're not telling him much. Hacker told him that they want the destruction of all Gargoyles, but he told two contradictory stories to Xanatos and Matt, plus I doubt the Illuminati is into something so petty as outright destruction. Castaway is, for the most part, a pawn of the Illuminati, and he's being kept in the dark about a lot.

Incidentally, there's also the old question of why the Illuminati fund the Quarreymen if they don't really want the gargoyles destroyed. My answer has always been that they understand socio-economic forces. A new species introduced would obviously create a lot of fear, and some of that would manifest as violent hatred. Something like the Quarreymen was inevitable. By creating it themselves, they can channel all that hatred into an organization they control, and rein it in if it goes too far. Of course, such things often get out of hand- I'd like to see what happens if the fanatic Castaway tries to defy his masters.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:49:30 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

Thank you for the answer.
And about Castaway, does he know there is Thailog in the Illuminati?
K7OP
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:47:00 am EDT from 217.202.194.197

K709: You don't need to keep apologizing for your English. It's a little shaky, but we all get the idea of what you're saying.

As for Shari, the overall fan consensus is that she's really Scheherazade, the narrator of 1,001 Nights, also known as The Arabian Nights. This is based on her fondness for telling Thailog stories every night, plus she's been specifically described as Arabic. She would have to be much older than she appears, but that would explain how she rose as high as rank #9 in the Illuminati. As for why she's with Thailog, that's rather simple: Thailog is a promising young talent in the Illuminati with a lot of potential, and she's there to keep an eye on him and make sure they know what he's up to.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:39:34 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

Yes, maybe the version of Dracula in Gargoyles universe it can be:
1)a vampire like in Bram Stoker' s story
2)but much similar to the storical Dracula Vlad Tepes III.
We know already about Macbeth he is more similar to the storical Macbeth king of scotland than the literally version of Shakespeare.
Well we'll see what will do Mr.Weisman.
And a question: why that girl named Shari decided to be Thailog assistant?
What is her real objectives?
Does Castaway know about Thailog's present in the Illuminati?
And if he does, he might be does a trick with Shari?
I hope my english it is understandable.
K7OP
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:31:09 am EDT from 217.202.194.197

I clearly post more often when there's new material to discuss -- in this case, its for my recently acquired Mecha-Nation #1 (of 3 in this miniseries d: )

**MECHA-SPOILERS FOLLOW**

[SPOILER] The first issue starts In Media Res with First Wave fighting . . . well, our heroes with a to be decided team name. Team-themes aside, the Mecha-teens go by Stealth, Blast! Tank, Charge, and Fahrenheit. First Wave consists of Flood, Grunt, Crane, Velocity and Pulse. As you probably can tell, each individuals name relates to their particularly unique power (like Fahrenheit able to wield fire and Stealth being able to be camouflaged in his surroundings).

They're still shopping for team names mid-battle as a matter of fact (well, at least Blast! is), which rightly leads to some standard obligatory banter . . . which is SO a rule, according to Blast (his profile lists Dragonball and X-Men as favorites of his, I wonder and hope if he's seen Spectacular Spidey, hehe).

The battle ultimately cuts short and just as Charge calls it out being an entirely pointless battle, First Wave tells our new heroes that in fighting they've quite possibly just slipped their hand and gave away a major hint behind their non-Mecha-identities. Dun Dun Dun.

The story moves on to the next day with Kevin (Stealth), Marcus (Blast!), Zahra (Charge), Ray (Tank), and Fahrenheit (Susie) making their way to school, still somewhat shaken from last night's events. Determined not to out themselves as Mecha-Sapiens, they promise not to 'Metal-out' for any reason to varying successes. We're soon treated to a funny side effect when maintaining one's human form for too long ('the itches').

While the five try to hide in their metal shells, we get some fun social interactions at Glass Lake Senior High, where Susie is very much a popular and is never to be seen by the "freaks and geek." Zehra, a 'freak,' meanwhile has connections at the school she would prefer to ignore, given her (and her teammates) current troubles.

The rest of the issue has fun introductions with the science teacher (who's got a particularly annoying verbal tic) and the school principal, all the while with the blooming mysteries of who the First Wave folk are (and have we already seen them at school?) and what "The Factory" is (evidently First Wave's . . . let's say 'employers'). [/SPOILER]

Overall, a fun first issue that makes me want to see more very soon.

Kingdom Comics -- thanks for the info mage_cat and Landon, especially that timeline of articles . . . yeah, that's a ton of non-evidence, but it is nonetheless curious.

Dracula -- Not much to add, just that I like the topic, especially in thinking about the possible ways Greg might go about using Vlad the Impaler or Bram Stroker's novel (or probably even both) . . . because, yes: all things are true, few things are accurate, yadda yadda yadda d:

(AND to segue to an earlier discussion this week, I just finished reading the first issue of BOOM!s Darkwing Duck -- I do think I'll be reading more :D )
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, Sep 2, 2010 2:36:37 am EDT from 70.190.58.80

TODD> "If Dracula's still around in the present day in the Gargoyles Universe, then Bram Stoker's novel definitely couldn't be one hundred percent accurate (though the notion of "Dracula survived after all" is a fairly common one)."

Not necessarily, early on in his exposition Van Helsing explains the that the only way to kill a vampire is by driving a wooden stake through their heart and then beheading them. That's the procedure used on Vampire Lucy and Drac's brides. Yet when it comes time to dispatch the count himself they decide to hack him up with a bowie knife, I like to think Stoker included that as a deliberate loophole in case he ever wanted to do a sequal.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:21:37 pm EDT from 86.40.0.84

Dracula bites. Dracula sucks.
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:15:36 pm EDT from 173.88.135.205

ALGERNON - If Dracula's still around in the present day in the Gargoyles Universe, then Bram Stoker's novel definitely couldn't be one hundred percent accurate (though the notion of "Dracula survived after all" is a fairly common one).

But I hold with those who say that we don't know enough about what the Gargoyles Universe's take on Dracula would be like to engage in speculation on what he would do when he showed up. We don't know how Greg plans to interpret him, how accurate Stoker's novel is in the Gargoyles Universe (for all we know, everybody in it except Dracula was fictional in the Gargoyles Universe), whether the "Gargoyles" Dracula would be identified with Vlad the Impaler (though, after what Greg did with Macbeth, it seems plausible), etc.

Depending on how they're depicted in the Gargoyles Universe, vampires could make good foils for gargoyles. They're also mythical creatures, nocturnal by necessity (assuming that the Gargoyles Universe uses the "sunlight is fatal to vampires" notion), and if Greg plans to use the "vampires turn into bats" idea (a late development in the mythology, triggered by the discovery of vampire bats in South America), that would echo the batlike wings of Scottish gargoyles. At the same time, if vampires in the Gargoyles Universe are able to pose as human while secretly carrying out their hunts for human prey, they would make a good contrast to the gargoyles (the ones who look human-like far more monstrous on the inside than the beings who appear like monsters on the outside). It'd be tempting to imagine any vampires in town, if they play their cards right, making their encounters with Goliath and his clan look like those savage monsters attacking humans once again, rather than Goliath and his clan, as protectors, foiling the vampires in their attempt to drain the blood from their victims.

But until we get hard information, all of this has to be speculation.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1 at mindspring dot com]
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 6:50:41 pm EDT from 4.244.212.87

I agree, Algernon.
But about a hypothetical alliance between Demona and Dracula... we'll see.
Greg Weisman is a good writer and if he will decide to create a version of Dracula in Gargoyles universe and make an alliance between him and Demona, I think he will find the right way.
Okay I hope you undertand me, Algernon(sorry again if I were too vulgar before).
So, see you tomorrow, it is late and I have to sleep.
Goodbye.
K7OP
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 6:09:01 pm EDT from 217.201.171.165

I tend to think Demona is pretty much willing to ally with anyone if they have something to offer her. Hell she was willing to join forces with the freaking Hunter in City of Stone. That said I also think she only tends to ally with those who have something she needs but can't easily take by force.

Macbeth offered her fragile clan protection, Canmore offered her vengeance on Macbeth for a perceived betrayal and Xanatos offered her all the resources of a multinational company. Thing is, with the exception of Macbeth, she had every intention of betraying them all when it became convenient.

The only person Demona seems to have actually trusted since 1057 is Thailog and we all know how that turned out. Regardless of what Gargoyles Dracula is like, I can't see her allying with him for any longer then she did with Xanatos. Once he's of no further use to her, she'll turn on him.

At this point, the only being I can see Demona getting along with in the long term is Coldsteel. In fact, I'm pretty much expecting him to hook up with either her or Thailog. He seems to work well with other bad guys.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 5:55:20 pm EDT from 86.40.0.84

I agree with you, even about the version of Dracula in Gargoyles universe.
I hope to see an evil version of him and see what will he do, that is I've wrote and I know before to judge we must see in what version will be him.
I hope you understand me and PLEASE if not tell me.
K7OP
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 4:29:58 pm EDT from 217.201.171.165

K7OP > I think everyone (except Harvester) understood you. It's just that not everyone agrees with you.

I think that an alliance between Demona and Dracula *could* be interesting, but ultimately, whether or not it's something I would want to see depends on what the Gargoyles Universe version of Dracula is like. Before I know whether I'd want to see a Dracula/Demona alliance, I need to know what Dracula's personality is like, what his goals are, etc. If his personality and goals complement Demona's, then I'll be happy to see a team-up between the two of them, but if his personality and goals don't mesh well with Demona's, then I probably won't be interested. The same applies when it comes to Thailog.

Team-ups can be really cool if the right characters work together. For instance, I thought the Archmage's team-up with the Weird Sisters was entertaining, and I also enjoyed Demona's team-up with Thailog. From the comics, I liked seeing Coldsteel and Coyote working together. Etc., etc., you get the idea.

At present, we don't even know what Greg Weisman's version of Dracula will be like, so that's why I'm not sure if I want a Demona/Dracula team up or a Dracula/Thailog team up.

But if *you* want one, well, I see nothing wrong with that. Good for you.
Gargoyles Movie - [Rebel (trying to help with Google bombing)]
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 4:14:34 pm EDT from 69.134.199.200

GREG> Good point, just look how different Gargoyles Macbeth is from his literary counterpart.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 3:55:00 pm EDT from 86.40.157.114

Hey guys, I do not want attack with words none.
And I see I have to be more understandable:
I said I hope to see in Gargoyles Universe a evil Dracula and see an alliance between him and Demona or Thailog, if will Mr. Weisman decide to introduce him naturally.
Well I hope you understand me(if you don't, PLEASE tell me, I will put it ) and sorry if I were too vulgar.
K7OP
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 3:53:39 pm EDT from 217.201.171.165

K7OP> And I think we actually need to see what the Gargoyles Universe version of Dracula is like before we start talking about who he should and should not ally himself with. But that's just my opinion.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 3:24:31 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

KO7P> Relax man, Harvester just misread what you posted, It's no biggie. As for the idea of Drac teaming up with Demona or Thailog, there's no real way to judge such an idea until we actually see it in a story.

Honestly, the more I think about the more I think the likeliest place for Drac to turn up is in Pendragon. He'd make a good thematic nemesis for Arthur, what with both of them being "Timeless Kings"*. Plus they've got similar motif's, both having adopted the dragon as their symbol.

Not to mention Drac's already got some prior history in London. I've actually done the math, turns out Old Pog would have been around the gargoyle equivalent of 50 when the novel took place.**

* Well technically "Timeless Prince" in Drac's case.

** I'm assuming the events of Bram Stoker's original novel took place in the Gargoyles Universe, though possibly not exactly the way Stoker chronicled it. All things are true, few are accurate.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 2:24:19 pm EDT from 86.40.157.114

Harvester of Eyes> I didn't said an alliance between Demona with Thailog and Dracula, but an alliance between DEMONA OR THAILOG WITH DRACULA.
Do you understand???
K7OP
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 9:25:56 am EDT from 109.53.98.155

I think there's limited value in debating the validity of possible scenario's someone would like to see. As ALgernon pointed out, it's hard to know what ideas would work well and what's just something a fan thinks would be cool without knowing how it might be executed. I can remember a lot of people back on the old AOL animation boards - myself included - getting very worried about what season two of Gargoyles was going to be like because we were getting information about some of the basic story points without any detail or context. Let's just say that when you hear "Sanctuary" summarized as "Demona and Macbeth get married," it sounds pretty ridiculous. And the reverse was true for TGC. We got episode summaries beforehand that sounded great, but the execution was so poor that the concepts were ruined.

I don't think it's necessary to conclude that someone wants to see an idea happen only because it would be "kewl" or that that's even necessarily a bad thing. Gargoyles works on a lot of levels and what appeals to one person about it isn't going to be the same as what appeals to another.
Demonskrye - [<---Hiatus and Opportunity at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 8:53:52 am EDT from 146.115.115.75

K7OP: I think Greg understands that you've written something, but just doesn't agree with it.

We've seen that Demona can form alliances, when necessary. But remember that she's even better at nursing grudges. I really don't think she'd ever turn to Thailog for an alliance after what he did to her.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos." -The Joker
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:17:28 am EDT from 76.27.173.29

Mr. Bishansky>do you understand that I've wrote; not at all:
It is my little desire see Dracula in Gargoyles universe, and I said if Mr. Weisman decide to introduce him not we've already met him; then he will decide what Dracula will do and in my opinion it is not so bad see an alliance between Demona (or even Thailog) and Dracula, besides Mr. Weisman it is a good writer.
That is my opinion(I hope my english it is understandable).
K7OP
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 6:58:47 am EDT from 95.74.110.24

Just because speculation and rumor are always fun at s8, I've done some digging. The last big news report on Kingdom Comics was at CBR: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22480

"Last weekend at Wizard World Chicago, Christian Beranek gave a detailed overview of how his new Disney publishing division will re-imagine some of the corporation's aging properties."

So as of August 10, 2009, Christian Beranek is the head honcho of Kingdom Comics. I then found this series of unrelated biographical pieces on Beranek: http://blog.newsarama.com/category/features/christian-beraneks-life-of-high-adventure/ Look at his byline for February 12, 2010:

"Christian Beranek is a writer, producer, actor and musician. Currently he is in production on a project for Disney's Kingdom Comics..."

Now look at his byline for February 22 and 25:

"Christian Beranek is a writer, producer, actor and musician. Beranek is working with Disney on several projects..."

Then there's over a month delay until his next article on March 30:

"Christian Beranek is a writer, musician, actor, film/tv producer and webcomic entrepreneur. He co-runs The Webcomic Factory with Tony DiGerolamo and is hard at work on several original graphic novels..."

There's no further mention of Kingdom Comics or Disney. He also refers to himself as an entrepreneur for the first time and "original graphic novels" aren't in Kingdom's purview. No evidence of anything but it's interesting.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 2:21:05 am EDT from 216.250.163.157

If I'm remembering correctly (never a certain thing) Kingdom Comics was supposed to be a new division of Disney. I can only guess that some time after the announcement was made, Disney changed it's mind about starting it, because all I ever remember seeing was news that they were starting it and a general mission statement, no specific titles or anything like that.
mage_cat - [mage_cat14 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Sep 1, 2010 12:27:29 am EDT from 72.150.47.178

Just came back from my comic shop in Phoenix -- I was barely seconds through the door when the main comic store guy singled me out and told me that Mecha-Nation was coming in tomorrow -- before I had even asked if they had even bothered to order it (as I hadn't been in the store since June/July -- whenever Greg Weisman last announced that it was available for purchase online . . . or something like that).

And the last time I was in this shop it was to pick up my two Gargoyles trades . . . so THAT was July/August the previous year (and even that was a first visit in a while as a large chunk of my Gargoyles purchases have been in Los Angeles where I attended college for years) . . . so long story short, I love how this guy just remembers even the most sporadic customer that pops by as well as their typical purchase: This is how customer loyalty is made.

Oh yeah, I asked that they reserve a copy of a second printing of Darkwing Duck -- and from this shop, word is that every issue they had is currently sold out . . . and fast too. (oh, this was is my first visit at the shop where there was no Gargoyles merchandise anywhere *sigh*).

Tangent -- whatever happened to Kingdom comics? Didn't they have a deal with some Disney stuff? I was surprised looking through the BOOM! section of the shop to see anything Mouse related (whether it be classic Disney characters and Disney-PIXAR titles all with our onomatopoeic friends ;)

Dragon*Con -- Atlanta? Really? Wow -- props to the guys over there, I'm super jealous to whoever is able to attend this weekend.

Oh yeah . . . **waves at Guardian**
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:54:52 pm EDT from 70.190.58.80

Sorry for the double post but dear Lord, that's some sloppy grammar. In my defence, I'm suffering from mild sleep deprivation. Here's something slightly more readable.

GREG B> I think it all depends on the execution rather then the concept. Demona and Drac collaborating on the odd scheme would work if there was a good story rational behind it. For example, if each of them had something the other wanted but couldn't easily take by force. If on the other hand they just arbitrarily decided to go lay siege to the Castle for no particular reason then yeah, that would suck
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:49:06 pm EDT from 86.40.246.187

GREG B> I think it all depends execution rather then the concept. A Demona/Dracula collaborating on the odd scheme work if there story a good rational behind it. If say each of them had something the other wanted but couldn't easily take by force If on the other hand they just arbitrarily decided to go lay seige to the Castle for no particular reason then yeah, that would suck.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:44:03 pm EDT from 86.40.246.187

K7OP> Why do you want to see an alliance between Dracula and Demona and/or Thailog? Do you feel this is right for either of those two characters? Or do you just think it would be cool spectacle?

I don't mean to pick on you, but I see a lot of ideas for team-ups that don't have any logical basis other than the sheer spectacle of it. Does this serve the characters, or are the characters being shoehorned into a concept because "Well, gee whiz, that would be kewl?"

Also, we haven't even met the Gargoyles Universe version of Dracula yet.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:22:40 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Algernon> Thanks!

You know what the BEST part of that pic on the Rescue Ranger announcement was??? The guy had a TIM HORTONS coffee!!! I LOVE IT!! ^_^
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I have started a movie challenge whereby I am wtching all 475 Best Picture nominees and winners in 365 days. I am on Day #172 and movie #200... wish me luck!
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:16:48 pm EDT from 75.152.104.97

I am happy about this, I've always desired to see, if Mr. Weisman will introduce him in Gargolyes Universe, a fight between the Manhattan Clan and DRACULA, or an alliance between Demona(or Thailog) with him (infact I've read in Gargwkipedia in Gargoyles Universe the vampires exist).
K7OP
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:53:27 pm EDT from 109.53.13.131

<Greg has said that he plans to eventually bring in practically every fictional or mythological character, so long as it's in the public domain>

So... does anyone know if Raptor Jesus is copyrighted? ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go." -Indiana Jones
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:40:11 pm EDT from 76.27.173.29

IAN> Nice reveiw, I've actually spent most of the day browsing through your blog leaving random comments when the mood struck me. It's fun geeky goodness. ;)
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:56:32 pm EDT from 86.40.150.213

Hey guys!

As most of you likely already know, (and I'm putting this in spoilers just in case)

[SPOILER] Mecha-Nation has been solicited and will be in comic stores this week!

If any of you are unable to procure yourselves a copy this week, please don't hesitate to e-mail me and I'll talk to my comics guy (link) and see if I can't get him to hold me multiple copies. If you're not in the Van Nuys, California area, include in your initial e-mail to me how you would like me to send it to you. Don't worry about compensating me; us Gargoyles fans have to stick together! [/SPOILER]
Guardian - [Guardian105 at gmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 1:43:23 pm EDT from 76.219.185.199

It's late--my Internet has been disconnected since yesterday, either due to Hurricane Earl or because our service provider cancelled our subscription due to "abuse"--but here's my review of "Leader of the Pack", which at first seems like it's a well-known review until it turns out to be just a robot duplicate of said review. Check it out here: http://nymonsters.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/hellooooo-season-2-leader-of-the-pack/

Greg B: Your theory last week regarding Peredur is excellent and although I think you're mostly on target, I have to say...I hope you're wrong. If we do ever get an explanation, I want it to blow my mind, and I don't see that happening if it's basically the same development fan X suggested Y months ago*. It happened with the Spectacular Spider-Man series finale reveals, and while I don't wish for you to stop sharing your awesome theories, I do feel they're a double-edged sword.

* And yes, there is a large amount of ego involved in this--I don't like the idea of somebody figuring out a solution to a mistery before I do--so yeah, damn you for being smarter/more imaginative than me and all that. ;)
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:38:01 am EDT from 65.218.145.201

Here's an interesting article on the very early days of Disney Afternoon from Jymn Magon's perspective: http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief1/b/jim_hill/archive/2010/08/06/quot-restless-nights-and-disney-afternoons-quot-webinar-looks-back-at-the-early-early-days-of-walt-disney-television-animation.aspx It's advertising some webinars that already occurred, but it has some historical info and a great TaleSpin cast photo. Magon has been mentioned a few times on AskGreg and apparently showed up at the 2006 Gathering.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:35:45 am EDT from 216.250.163.157

Greg has said that he plans to eventually bring in practically every fictional or mythological character, so long as it's in the public domain (i.e., no one else owns the rights- so don't expect, say, Lord of the Rings characters). Personally, while I like the mythology, I've never been comfortable with bringing in fictional characters with a clear author, as it seems to suggest no one ever had an original thought in the Gargoyles universe.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:50:46 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

Hello guys, how are you?
I've heard Mr. Weisman will introduce monsters like Dracula, it is that true?
Thank you for the answer.
K7OP
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:33:52 am EDT from 217.203.145.211

Disney Afternoon, not Adventures, doy >_<
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:35:57 am EDT from 70.190.58.80

Landon: Thanks for the Mecha-Nation update. I've been eager for some Greg Weisman/Vic Cook/Greg Gular/Cheeks material all summer (I blame the lack of complete second season DVD of SpecSpidey . . . I reckon I'll just buy the last four volumes after a few more paychecks come in *sigh*), so I look forward to contacting my local comic shop again tomorrow. Further, thanks also for the comparison of Gargoyles to Darkwing Duck comic sales. Better context never hurts :)

Disney Adventures & BOOM: I've yet to read the Darkwing Duck series, but every mention of it has always made me excited. I do think I'll consider buying any issues I find when I pick up Mecha-Nation in the coming days as well as inquire about the comic's first trade paperback.

And there's this fun thought in the back of my head that if I start to love these Darkwing comics, I might finally save some money and consider getting the Darkwing Duck episodes currently available on DVD (I've been eyeing those sets for years).

Outside of Gargoyles and Aladdin, Darkwing Duck was my next favorite DA show, followed Rescue Rangers and then mostly likely a 4-way tie of Gummi Bears, TaleSpin, Duck Tales, and Bonkers (I remember that show making me laugh, I'd love to see it again).

Gummi Bears holds a distinction in my nostalgia as my first favorite show when I was in preschool (yes, I am that young/old -- depending on your own age, I guess) d:
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:35:06 am EDT from 70.190.58.80

It's a small world after all, but apparently not when it comes to Disney Afternoon fandoms. Why each fandom is so insular is anyone's guess. Not as much crossover interest as some would assume, perhaps. There are people who like all things Disney because it's Disney, and there are people who like or two shows and don't particularly care about the others.

If SLG had already borrowed money to pay legal expenses, chances are that it was not a question of not *wanting* to borrow money to renew licenses, it was an issue of being *unable* to because of credit lines being tapped out. Banks treat businesses no different than people in that regard.
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:43:37 pm EDT from 173.88.135.205

BATTLE BEAST> Here ya go...

http://www.comicbookdaily.com/daily_news/boom-studios-announces-new-disney-title-at-panel/
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:14:24 pm EDT from 86.40.242.31

Is there a link to the Rescue Rangers Announcement???
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I have started a movie challenge whereby I am wtching all 475 Best Picture nominees and winners in 365 days. I am on Day #172 and movie #200... wish me luck!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:07:48 pm EDT from 173.181.82.205

Thank you for the answer Algernon.
K7OP
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:07:28 pm EDT from 217.202.199.33

K7OP> The current situation is that a lot of fans have been petitioning BOOM comics to publish a Gargoyles comic written by Greg Weisman. So far we've got a few vague hints that something might be in the works. But we've yet to hear any official confirmation of anything.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:04:01 pm EDT from 86.40.242.31

And so(sorry for the question) what is it exacly the situation?
K7OP
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:59:23 pm EDT from 217.202.199.33

K7OP> No one said that.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:56:25 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Hi it is me again(Brian Bartoccini).
Mr. Weisman will be not the writer of the new gargoyles comic books?
K7OP
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:53:06 pm EDT from 217.202.199.33

The "Rescue Rangers" comic book as the first pick-up from the Disney Afternoon after "Darkwing Duck" seems all the more appropriate in light of one of the "Darkwing Duck" episodes, in which Darkwing was inadvertently transported to an alternate universe populated by humans where he was a fictional character - and it turned out that the television series was made by a guy who'd accidentally tapped into Darkwing's universe with some odd invention. Remember the ending, where Darkwing used the device to get home, thereby permanently preventing it from picking up anything more from his home-world, the producer was in despair - and then the device started picking up another group of characters, ending with the cry "Rescue Rangers, away!" It was funny even then, but now, after this piece of news, it seems to be taking on new significance....
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1 at mindspring dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:21:49 pm EDT from 4.244.208.250

Landon> I guess what I'm trying to say is that I hope BOOM sees Gargoyles as a comic that had a lot of potential but was bogged down by large delays between issues and a licensing fee that was too much for a small publisher, rather than a comic that another company tried and had to stop publishing because it didn't make money. It's the same way I hope any Disney exec looking at revisiting Gargoyles would understand what changed between season two and TGC rather than chalking any decline in ratings when TGC aired up to audiences being done with Gargoyles.

Algernon> Agreed. It's not going to help us any to act like the other DA properties are competition and it could hurt the standing of Gargoyles with people who might otherwise read a potential comic. There's not a limited number of potential slots for DA comics that we're competing for and Gargoyles is in a niche that none of the other shows are, so it will likely get judged on its own merits.
Demonskrye - [<---Hiatus and Opportunity at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:08:42 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

Mecha-Nation #1 is coming out this Wednesday: http://www.previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=2&m=1&c=6&s=428 That's a nice surprise since it didn't appear in the 'upcoming' list last week. The 2nd printing of Darkwing Duck #1 is also shipping this week.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:15:35 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

To give my few cents on a comment made last week:

Algernon> To be fair I don't think there was a huge fan outcry for Darkwing Duck either before BOOM! announced it. I'm going to wait and see how well RR does before I make any predictions.

My guess is that with superheroes becoming somewhat popular, Darkwing Duck was givening a chance due to being Disney's own super hero. Not to mention that the character is a parody of a comic book hero, and thus adapts well to this format.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:06:06 pm EDT from 71.115.241.194

ORMIS> I doubt that's the deciding factor keeping a Gargoyles comic off the shelves. On the contrary, I think it's Greg's efforts to keep the franchise fighting for life nearly 16 years on. Greg was the driving force behind getting the SLG comic going in the first place, and he's quite frankly the best qualified to write any continuation.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:02:24 pm EDT from 86.40.242.31

Ormis> No, I don't think so at all. It's not a secret that Greg is more than eager to do more "Gargoyles." He's not some kind of prima donna that is impossible to work with, either.

Welcome to the CR, btw.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:54:28 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Do you think that the fandom being dead set against Gargoyles without Greg could be one of the things counting against someone deciding to pick up the series?
They would not only have to get the Gargoyles license but also get Greg and keep him happy.
Ormis
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:43:48 pm EDT from 89.246.163.148

I'm starting to wonder if veiwing other Disney Afternoon shows as "competition" is really the best way of looking at this problem. Perhaps there's a way for our various fandoms to work together for mutual benefit.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:12:07 pm EDT from 86.40.158.144

Demonskrye - I'm not convinced that Gargoyles wasn't financially successful. You gave a simple profit argument but how do we know Gargoyles wasn't profitable? It costs money to make money and SLG's excuse for canceling the show was Disney raising the licensing fee. Plus there's the new revelation that SLG has been in a legal quagmire. Even if Gargoyles was profitable enough to pay for the new license fee, SLG would still have to spend the money upfront to cover costs. Regarding the legal fees, Dan Vado said "This is money we have already spent, a lot of it borrowed, for which there will be no return and is now affecting our ability to operate." If they've already borrowed a bunch of money, they might not want to borrow more to produce an expensive licensed comic.

Gargoyles could have been both profitable and financially successful in this scenario, yet still too expensive to produce for a small operation with new legal fees. Since Gargoyles exceeded DW in sales out of the gate and maintained high numbers after multiple delays, I don't think we have to convince BOOM! of anything.

Greg Bishansky - Fair enough. I just don't want to downplay the contribution of the other Gargoyles writers.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:53:01 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

Gargoyles Movie: I think if it ever happened that they made a comic without Greg, it would swiftly become apparent that almost the entire readership is against it. It's not so much that it couldn't happen, but that the bad press of trying it would so utterly overwhelm any potential benefit that it would be a complete non-starter. Now the movie could change that equation by making a separate fanbase for 'Fauxgoyles'. Until that grisly day...

Greg B: Usually, but not always. There's the example of 'Buffy Season 8' where Joss Whedon is the "executive producer" but doesn't write every issue. And, hey, I'm an open-minded person... come the day when Greg's busy working on a new season of '2198' and needs to bring in the show's old writers to guest write arcs on the 'Gargoyles', 'Bad Guys', 'Pendragon', 'Timedancer', 'New Olympians', 'Dark Ages' and 'Heroes of Ulster' monthlies... well, that's okay with me. Until that gleeful day...

Demonskrye: You're probably right about 'Aladdin'. Which leaves:

- 'Gargoyles' -- a track record of sales and I can't believe they would have teased for if it wasn't in with a major shot.
- 'Talespin' -- surely a no-brainer, since it's part of the 'heartland' of Disney afternoon shows with 'Ducktales' and 'Rescue Rangers'?
- 'Goof Troop' -- they don't currently have a Goofy book so it may be tempting for that reason.
- 'Gummi Bears' -- this would make a terrific series but I'm not sure how much pull it would get -- always seemed to get overlooked.
- 'Bonkers' -- did 'Bonkers' ever really get the traction of other series? I'm not sure it would especially suit an ongoing anyway.
Ed
Abraham: Yes! On the fifth day he created the birds and the fish and today he's invented me murdering my son! Another winner, Lord! You're certainly not tinkering with an already perfect creation like some giant see-through George Lucas!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:40:45 pm EDT from 87.86.55.65

REBEL> Gotta side with Greg B on this one, a Gargoyles comic without the good Mr. Weisman at the helm would essentialy be a return to The Goliath Chronicles. I think we can all agree that's not a place we want to go back to.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:29:44 pm EDT from 86.40.154.131

LANDON> Television and comics are two different beasts. Greg was the Supervising Producer and deeply involved with every script and every aspect of "Gargoyles." Even if he didn't write every script, his finger prints were still all over them. It was his baby. Michael Reaves even said this at two of the Gatherings.

Comic books are different. Theoretically, you're producing one issue a month, it's not like say, producing fifty-two episodes in less than ten months.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:09:45 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Landon> For the record, I didn't say that Gargoyles sold poorly; I said it wasn't financially successful, which is something different. You can sell 7,000,00 cookies, but if each cooke sold for fifty cents and cost seventy five cents to make, you've sold a lot of cookies without being financially successful. Gargoyles was a strong seller for SLG, but not strong enough to balance out the costs of making it, Obviously, BOOM is able to pay whatever licensing fees Disney is charging and still make money, or else they wouldn't be introducing more Disney titles. For whatever reason, they don't seem to be having the same issues that SLG did in getting the comic approved in a timely fashion.

Again, what I'm hoping is that BOOM will understand that the SLG comic had a lot of difficulties that had nothing to do with the property itself, preferably without fans having to explain in a way the sounds like we're making excuses for why the SLG comic wasn't making money or bashing SLG.

Ed> I'm feeling much better today, thank you.

I hadn't thought of Aladdin probably because it's directly based on a movie and might be thought of as a movie license rather than a TV show license. Disney's current strategy seems to be dividing up their various licenses among many publishing companies (and there's no news yet to suggest how the purchase of Marvel is going to effect this), so Aladdin and other non-Pixar animated movie licenses may be off the table. Or not. We'll see,

Rebel> It would be pretty tough for me to support a Gargoyles comic that didn't involve Greg in some way. I could deal with him taking on a "story editor" role, where he would decide on the basic ideas for each issue and story arc and supervise other writers who did the actual writing, since that's pretty much how a new Gargoyles TV series would be made. But Greg's involvement is the one clear line between what is canon and what is not. It would be a bit of a tough call, since I do want to support new Gargoyles product and the failure of such a comic could easily be deemed a failure of the property rather than a failure of the property without Greg. But I'm not going to pay for something I don't think I'll enjoy in the hopes that it will lead to something I will.
Demonskrye - [<---Hiatus and Opportunity at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:02:44 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

Speaking of which, I've found James Silvani's art blog: http://silvaniart.blogspot.com/ His work on DW has been stunning.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:57:19 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

I'd read a non-Greg Gargoyles series if Greg was the story editor and picked the writer himself. I think the sentiment of "ONLY Greg can write Gargoyles!" was already proven wrong with the animated series. If we had, theoretically, a successful Gargoyles comic series with plenty of consistent releases, I'd love to read a storyline written by Reaves or Bates. However, Greg's the only guy that can properly steer the ship.

But yeah, if Greg had nothing to do with it, I'd probably still buy it. To raise everyone's optimism: Ian Brill, James Silvani and Tad Stones all signed at BOOM!'s Comic-Con booth. So they must have had Stones' blessing at some point.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:46:24 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

REBEL> If Greg doesn't write it, I won't buy it.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:30:47 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

"Sorry for the double-post, but Gargoyles Movie's post made me think... if the SLG comic had been monthly and consistent (like Boom's books appear to be), we'd be celebrating GARGOYLES #50 this month."

Ed, you're so cruel.
Gargoyles Movie - [Rebel (trying to help with Google bombing)]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:24:34 pm EDT from 69.134.199.200

Question for the room--how would you feel if BOOM! put out a Gargoyles comic, but *didn't* ask Greg to write it? On the one hand, I'd feel compelled to buy it to support the property and help show Disney that there is still a sizable audience for Gargoyles, but on the other hand...without Greg, it's just not Gargoyles, is it? So I'd feel really torn. I might buy it, but it would be so sad.
Gargoyles Movie - [Rebel (trying to help with Google bombing)]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:23:16 pm EDT from 69.134.199.200

Sorry for the double-post, but Gargoyles Movie's post made me think... if the SLG comic had been monthly and consistent (like Boom's books appear to be), we'd be celebrating GARGOYLES #50 this month.
Ed
Abraham: Yes! On the fifth day he created the birds and the fish and today he's invented me murdering my son! Another winner, Lord! You're certainly not tinkering with an already perfect creation like some giant see-through George Lucas!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:21:38 pm EDT from 87.86.55.65

Landon: Thanks for the number comparison.

I do wonder how the licenses work. Why is it that BOOM! seem to be able to make a success on numbers that SLG couldn't make sustainable? There seem to be a couple of big differences:

1. BOOM! is plain doing more books, so if the licence fee is fixed for a period (which Gargs' was iirc?) then they're obviously getting more bang for their buck .

2. I wonder if plain economies of scale play a part. SLG had four titles in 2006 and all of them dropped away one by one. Going back in for one book (and spin-off) just wasn't viable.

Of course, this is just guess-work.

It's especially sad when you consider that all four of these properties are now major motion picture prospects for Disney: 'Wonderland' and 'Tron' this year, 'Haunted Mansion' by Del Toro and now some form of 'Gargoyles' film.

Demonskrye: Sorry to hear you've been sick; I hope you feel better soon.

Algernon: 'Aladdin' is probably worth a punt too. 'Aladdin', 'Talespin' and 'Gummi Bears'... All sublime concepts with vast untapped potential.

In terms of the choice of what follows up 'Darkwing', it probably wasn't a coincidence that it's the same writer as 'Darkwing'. It may just have been that they offered him his choice of property to develop next.
Ed
Abraham: Yes! On the fifth day he created the birds and the fish and today he's invented me murdering my son! Another winner, Lord! You're certainly not tinkering with an already perfect creation like some giant see-through George Lucas!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:18:30 pm EDT from 87.86.55.65

One thing that I hope Boom realizes is that, even though Gargoyles' sales were good, its sales would likely have been GREAT if it hadn't been fraught with so many delays. I'm not sure what was the reason behind those delays--I know it wasn't Greg's fault, but was it because of SLG or the artists? Possibly a mix of both.

I currently read the Farscape titles that BOOM! puts out, and they come out like clockwork. I really hate to criticize SLG since I know they took a chance on Gargoyles and I appreciate that. But I would love it if Gargoyles could have been with a company like BOOM! to begin with. A thriving company, with a reliable artist, and with Greg doing the writing...? We'd have an awesome new Gargoyles story EVERY MONTH with few, if *any* delays. For Gargoyles fans, it'd be a dream come true, and the sales would be rock solid.

Another factor I hope they consider is that, even though Gargoyles sold well, it would probably sell even better with a 2nd or 3rd tier comic book company like BOOM! than a lower-tiered company like SLG. Many comic book stores with limited shelf space don't even order books from small companies unless someone requests an issue, and even if that happens, they might order just enough for the people who have expressed an interest without bothering to order any to stock on the shelves. Companies like Marvel and DC hog a lot of shelf space in comic book stores, but BOOM!'s definitely got some clout of its own so I think a Gargoyles series from BOOM! is more likely to get shelf space (and thus drawn in casual fans) than a Gargoyles series from SLG.
Gargoyles Movie - [Rebel (trying to help with Google bombing)]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:15:50 pm EDT from 69.134.199.200

Btw, anyone who has a Toonzone account might want to check out this thread...

http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=272711
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:10:37 pm EDT from 86.40.244.125

DEMONSKRYE> Personally I still think this Rescue Rangers announcement is a good sign. As has been established, RR still has a viable fanbase and a good writer working on the book so it still has a good chance of being a success.

And if BOOM do decide to expand their Disney Afternoon line then I think Gargoyles would be one of the first properties they'd look at. They've already done Ducktales, Darkwing Duck and Rescue Rangers, like you said our only real competition at this point are TailSpin and Gummi Bears.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:49:28 pm EDT from 86.40.244.125

Gargoyles selling poorly isn't accurate. Sales:

June 2010 Darkwing Duck #1 - 6,300
July 2010 Darkwing Duck #2 - 5,396

June 2010 Uncle Scrooge #392 (DuckTales story #1) - didn't make top 300
July 2010 Uncle Scrooge #393 - 3,715

June 2006 Gargoyles #1 - 7,538
December 2006 Gargoyles #2 - 6,919
March 2008 Gargoyles #8 - 5,288

Gargoyles not selling well is NOT a rumor we want to spread. It's untrue and would only hurt our chances. Evidence shows that Gargoyles would rival sales for any Disney Afternoon comic. We don't know what problems SLG had because we don't know their financial situation nor their particular licensing deal with Disney compared to BOOM! What we do know is that BOOM! puts out a lot more Disney product than SLG ever did, so they're not really comparable.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:14:04 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

Since I was busy throwing up while the Rescue Rangers comic was being announced (not a knock against Rescue Rangers; I really was sick all of yesterday), here's my two cents:

If what BOOM wants to do now is expand on the success of the Darkwing Duck comic, Rescue Rangers might have seemed like a more obvious choice than Gargoyles for the next Disney Afternoon series to make into a comic. They're more in the same adventure-comedy vein. And Rescue Rangers features recognizable Disney characters, which is often seen as an asset.

"What makes sense for us to pursue" could work in the favor of Gargoyles. I BOOM doesn't want to flood the market with a bunch of really similar Disney Afternoon titles, Gargoyles might make sense as their next pick. It's still a Disney Afternoon property and can be advertised as such, but it's more drama than comedy, so it won't feel like just more of the same.

I think the biggest thing working against BOOM publishing Gargoyles is that Gargoyles was a comic recently and wasn't financially successful. (At least, not successful enough for SLG to continue publishing it.) Hopefully, BOOM will realize that a number of factors that weren't a lack of interest in the property contributed to the SLG comic failing to be profitable. Actually conveying that information to BOOM strikes me as a difficult task. We would want to make BOOM understand what the SLG comic was up against without making them think that they will be facing similar hurdles if they decide to publish a Gargoyles comic or that the SLG comic and fans' desire to see all new material that picks up where the SLG stories left ff will be yet another headache to contend with.

I seem to remember someone telling me that the Rescue Rangers fandom was getting similarly cryptic but encouraging tweets from BOOM to those that the Twitter Demona was receiving. So that could be a hopeful sign of what BOOM would like to do next.

I think it's a shame that our fandom isn't more in touch with other Disney Afternoon fandoms, mostly because I think it means that they're even more unaware of our existence than we are of theirs. I remember someone saying quite a while back that another fandom (possibly the []Rescue Rangers[/i] fans) "eulogizing" various other fandoms that "didn't make it" and including Gargoyles among their number. Especially when BOOM is kind of reviving the idea of a connection between these shows, being more a part of that larger community could help all of us.

I don't think Rescue Rangers is going to hurt the chances for Gargoyles being published by BOOM. BOOM still strikes me as a very smart publisher and I don't think they would abandon the entire Disney Afternoon concept and the one show that is the most different from any of the other Disney Afternoon properties because one title doesn't perform as well as expected. Even if Gargoyles isn't BOOM's next choice, the two most obvious contenders for the honor are TaleSpin and Gummi Bears two of he programming block's strongest shows (to my mind, anyway)) that would almost certainly strengthen the Disney Afternoon lineup and give BOOM even more incentive to continue expanding it.
Demonskrye - [<---Hiatus and Opportunity at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:15:08 am EDT from 146.115.115.75

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