Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

Todd> thanks for looking that up. clears a lot of things being specualated. from how i read that statement i interpret it to mean that Rome had no Clan, but the Roman Empire at the time had at least one Clan. it was "largely" gargoyle free, not completely gargoyle free.
so why the Humilty Spell? something happened that we are unaware of. there has to be an in-universe reason the spell was cast. if its not cuz there was naked gargoyles running around Rome, then why?
i don't know. i know i've read a few fan-fic speculation ideas over the years, such as the arrival of the Timedancer in Rome. unfortunatly, we may not know for a long time, maybe never.
when Ask Greg reopens, however, i plan to submit a question along these lines though.
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
"Do not despise the day of small beginnings." -Zechariah 4:10
posted @ Sun, Oct 9, 2005 9:07:36 pm EDT from 66.189.238.57

Hey, just dropping in with an update... AMGC has been updated and the September topic has gone to voting. Voting will run all month, because of the late start, but don't wait!
There will be no October topic, that will all restart, hopefully, in November.
If you don't know how to get to AMGC and you are over 18, ask someone for a private link - we won't link it in a PG13 room. :)

And don't forget to vote at MGC either, and THAT link is in my name.

Thanks for all the support. ^_^
kess - [< MGC! You like it, remember??]
posted @ Sun, Oct 9, 2005 8:41:48 pm EDT from 68.41.249.79

I looked up Greg's original comments about the Humility Spell, and this was what he had to say about the presence of gargoyles in the Roman Empire:

[And though Rome, as a "civilized" nation was largely Gargoyle-free, the occasional gargoyle was brought before him.]

"Him" meaning Caesar Augustus, of course.

Now, "the occasional gargoyle" suggests, not the presence of a clan, but rather cases of sporadic incidents where a gargoyle was presented to the Emperor (and note that Greg wrote "the occasional gargoyle" - singular rather than plural). The word choice here suggests not a clan native to Rome, but that sometimes a gargoyle would be brought into Augustus's presence, a la American Indians being sometimes brought to European courts during the time of Columbus and afterwards, say. This is just speculating from a few words, of course (probably only Greg can settle this, and I doubt that he'll want to anytime soon, now that he's preparing to tell new "Gargoyles" stories via the comic), but the precise nature of those words suggests something more along the lines of, from time to time, a gargoyle being acquired by the Romans (maybe through trade, maybe through the spoils of war) and brought to Augustus, rather than a whole clan living in Rome.
Todd Jensen
"Gargoyles" - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sun, Oct 9, 2005 6:39:06 pm EDT from 4.244.18.42

Hi All!

Todd: I have to agree with Matt here - there had to be a significant Gargoyle presence in Rome to bring the issue of the Humility spell up at all.

Matt: There's about a century between the Early church reforming under the Emperor Constantine and the fall of Rome. Plenty of time. Also it could be considered that the unreformed church - basicly just a collection of independant churches - was more likely to befriend Gargoyles, as each church would decide such matters for itself.

Ckayote: Missed you yesterday:). I don't think that the Roman Gargoyles could have been the ancestors of the New Olympian clan, as it seems to me that New Olympus would have cut itself off from the rest of the would at the end of the 'Mythic Age' - well before the Rise of Rome.

Well, enough from me.
Goodnight All!
Jonathan
posted @ Sun, Oct 9, 2005 11:53:55 am EDT from 203.109.252.198

Good point matt. From what I read of the spell it seems that Augustus had to have been annoyed with naked gargoyles to do what he did. Which means there had to have been a Clan based in Rome. Perhaps after the fall of Rome they fled to Island of Capri in the Bay of Naples. Which was used by the emperors of Rome.
I always thought I guess it's a creativaty bug that it might be intresting to have Brooklyn meet fall in love with a break up with a gargoyle who is from that clan.
dee
posted @ Sun, Oct 9, 2005 11:21:26 am EDT from 207.200.116.196

Todd makes some very good points and brings up some thing i had not considered. however, i still think there was Roman Clan.

ok, Greg says that there were few gargoyles in the Roman Empire at the time of Augustus and the Humility Spell. well, thats a very subjective statement. few gargoyles compared to what? now? the Stone Age? the Far East? the world? we don't know what he was relating that statement to. you could easily look at the British Isles in 1994 and say there are few gargoyles living there, and yet there are two full Clans alive and well there. 1000 years ago there were more Clans in the British Isles and almost certaintly there were even more in the Stone Age and before. so saying there are few gargs there now is accurate... from a certain point of view.
so, back to Rome. when Greg said there were few gargoyles in the Roman Empire, there could still have been several Clans here and there. and lets say there were only as few as one Clan. it seems most likely that Clan would be based in Rome. heres why:
if gargoyles and their lack of clothing was going to become enough of an issue to Augustus that he has the most powerful magic-user alive at the time cast a spell across space and time you would think Augustus is seeing more then one gargoyle every now and then. gargoyles must've been (annoyingly) breaking out of their clothes left and right every evening to cause such an immense spell to be cast. furthermore, Augustus had to be somewhat familiar with this Clan because if they were only being brought before him as gifts like animals then why would he care if they didn't wear clothes? when Charlamagne was given that elephant he did not worry about what he was going to clothe it in. gargoyles could talk to Augustus and he found talking to naked being distasteful, thus the Humility Spell. if they were only in his court from time to time as animals, he would not have cared. a whole Clan of naked gargoyles would irk him though.

Greg's statement rings true even if the Roman Clan was a full Clan, but perhaps they were much smaller, more like the present day Avalon Clan. the point is, there was a permenant residence of gargoyles in Rome, there had to be. other gargs (from Egypt, Persia, Greece, France, England, Scotland, Ireland and maybe the far east) were perhaps brought to Rome from time to time, but the only logical explanation for the Humility Spell is a full-time Roman Clan.

feel free to disagree, i'd love to hear others thoughts on this topic. if i'm not mistaken, we've never discussed this topic here in all these years, so its very interesting.
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
"Do not despise the day of small beginnings." -Zechariah 4:10
posted @ Sun, Oct 9, 2005 12:00:07 am EDT from 66.189.238.57

I'm not certain that there was an actual Roman clan. Greg Weisman's description of the Magus's spell of humility says that the Roman Empire had hardly any gargoyles in it (due to its being so taken over by humans), but that occasionally a gargoyle was sent to Rome to be presented to Caesar Augustus. Since the Roman Empire was a very large piece of territory, stretching in Augustus's time from Gaul all the way to Egypt and Judaea, I strongly suspect that the gargoyles that were brought before Augustus could have come from many different parts of the world, maybe even from outside the boundaries of the Roman Empire (such as foreign kings whose lands adjoined Roman territory sending a gargoyle to Augustus as an unusual present - kind of like how Haroun al-Raschid sent Charlemagne an elephant as a gift). The gargoyles in Augustus's household could easily have been of mixed origins rather than from all one clan.

(Just where they came from I won't try to guess. The only clans that we know of - apart from the New Olympian clan, whose exact location is unknown; New Olympus was cutting itself off from the outside world at the time, anyway - were in the British Isles, the Far East - Japan, China, and Korea, and Mesoamerica - Guatemala. The Far East and Mayan gargoyles would obviously have been too far away to have been likely to find their way into imperial Rome, though a case could be made for a Far Eastern gargoyle or two showing up - there was very limited trade between Rome and China, and a gargoyle could conceivably have been brought to Rome via the Silk Road. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that a human British tribe could have sent a gargoyle or two from the clans that would later on develop into the familiar Scottish and English clans to Rome for the purpose of trade; Britain hadn't been conquered by Rome as yet, but there was a good deal of economic interaction between the Britons and the Romans in Augustus's reign, and the Britons could have decided to export a couple of gargoyles in exchange for some luxury goods. And there could also have been gargoyles brought from other "frontier regions" whose clans later on became extinct.)

Also, we don't know how long the gargoyle presence in Rome lasted, and whether there were enough gargoyles in Augustus's household, or enough of a male-female balance among them, to ensure descendants. For all that we know, there might not have been enough gargoyles there to establish a rookery and hatchlings for future generations. Certainly we don't have enough information to let us know one way or the other.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sat, Oct 8, 2005 7:17:18 pm EDT from 4.244.12.178

Maybe if the Roman clan was large some would have died in the massicure however they like what was said below me may have emigrated to other parts of europe and Italy (there are some isolated isalnds off the coast)they could have gone there as well but I figure that they were wiped out later.
If The Roman Clan did indeed look human then perhaps some not alot could have hidden in the monestaries.
About Saint Frances, He is one of the only people whom I whould beleve would have a relationship with Gargoyles. But to really answer this question we need greg
dee
posted @ Sat, Oct 8, 2005 7:11:07 pm EDT from 207.200.116.196

if the Roman Clan was indeed wiped out between 400 and 500 that doesn't leave much time for them to get friendly with the early Church.
i would think that the Roman Clan was a larger Clan in its heyday and as it was destroyed Clan members emigrated to other parts of Europe, maybe not though. obviously the only place descendants of Roman gargs could still be living is New Olympus, but we still don't know where that is, maybe its not as close to Greece and Italy as we suspect. the first colonists would not want to be discovered and indeed they were not until recently so the island had to be pretty far away...
i've often had a creativity demon that New Olympus IS Atlantis, a place of high technology and democracy and the first Olympians somehow tricked the humans on the island that it was being destroyed so they'd leave the island. i would think Atlantis was bigger then New Olympus is though, so maybe not. of course we havn't seen exactly how big Olympus is and perhaps the Olympians did sink part of the island in their ruse to e vict the humans...? i dunno, just a train of thought ramble...
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
"Do not despise the day of small beginnings." -Zechariah 4:10
posted @ Sat, Oct 8, 2005 1:04:42 pm EDT from 66.189.238.57

Hi All!

It's been a while since I posted here.
A long, long while :)

Roman Clan: I can't see them surviving the Sack of Rome. Assuming the invader didn't simply smash them during the day, then they'd have tried to save people during the slaughter and been killed in the general massacre.
They'd have been wiped out sometime between 400-500Ad.

Short post today.

goodnight All!
Jonathan
posted @ Sat, Oct 8, 2005 12:14:26 pm EDT from 203.109.252.198

Maybe the Roman clan were the ancestors of the New Olympian clan?
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
posted @ Sat, Oct 8, 2005 11:15:31 am EDT from 64.192.79.46

Matt: That's the way of Monty Python. You either understand it or you don't. ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
posted @ Sat, Oct 8, 2005 9:08:41 am EDT from 69.174.1.148

i've gotten the impression from Greg that the Roman Clan was extinct even before the Wyvern Clan. i could be wrong though.
keep in mind that the Roman gargs were not neccesarily demonic looking and different cultures look at gargoyles different ways (both the statues and the species) the English gargs are heraldic to the people and the Mayan gargs have a somewhat god-like status. if the Roman gargs had human-like features and feathery wings it'd be easy to see the early Church considering them as angels. we need a lot more info about the Roman Clan (looks, timeframe, reclusiveness, etc.) before we could really judge how the Church saw them...

and i'm not sure i understand the Francis Game...
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
"Do not despise the day of small beginnings." -Zechariah 4:10
posted @ Sat, Oct 8, 2005 12:32:52 am EDT from 150.201.66.47

KRIS "tvshowsondvd.com"> I'm always on that site. It's a "favorites" of mine (it's on my drop down list...)

I've voted a couple of times...
Battle Beast
That is all I will say.
posted @ Sat, Oct 8, 2005 12:27:23 am EDT from 198.53.28.99

Matt: I do agree that harboring Gargoyles is probably not something that the Catholic Church would be too keen on. Not only do they bear a resemblance to the way demons usually have appeared throughout history (in art and literature, at least), but most of the Vatican still regard women as second-class citizens. I also don't know where exactly the Roman Clan stands on Greg's timeline, but I do believe that they are (or were, if they're no longer around by 1994) very old. They at least predate the Wyvern Clan. And I don't know if you've ever heard of this, but here's a fun rainy day activity, courtesy of the genius of Monty Python:

THE FRANCIS OF ASSISI GAME
The player pretending to be Francis of Assisi deals six cards to every other player. Players then take turns to see who can remain motionless the longest. The first person to move then becomes Francis of Assisi.

Well, I guess I should give my two cents on the cover design (I sort of did last week, but it was more just a way for me to say "go and post a review if you haven't." Which I still say. But anyway, I also would have to agree that the City of Stone graphic would have looked much cooler, and would also have been appropriate considering the four-parter are the only episodes in Volume One to have commentary from Greg and Company. I too was also hoping for something that was more consistent with the cover design for Season One. But I own the first three volumes of Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and none of them are consistent. Volume One perhaps looks the most normal. But anyway, the picture on Gargoyles Season Two Volume One would, I think, have looked better decorating the surfaces of the discs.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Someday I'll find myself like a bee finding honey. But in the meantime, I'm gonna have me some fun...Waiting for the big one."
posted @ Fri, Oct 7, 2005 10:49:29 pm EDT from 69.174.1.148

I dunno how many people here frequent TVshowsOnDVD.com on a regular basis, but sometimes they put up links to upcoming DVD releases where the production team provides a poll to vote on the cover art. They'll offer two to four choices usually and then they announce which cover won closer to the release date. It'd be cool if Disney did something like that and let fans have some input. I remember someone from the Gargoyles DVD production team was asking us about what sort of extras we'd like to see not to long ago, so it's cool that we had some input already that may've had a bit of an impact.
Kris - [plekopleko@hotmail.com]
posted @ Fri, Oct 7, 2005 6:20:59 pm EDT from 69.17.169.178

the DVD itself is what is important. of course all of us in here will buy it regardless of the cover art quality, but i'm more concerned with the quasi-fan looking to pick one DVD out of ten he/she wants. the cover is a selling point and naturally we want the best sales possible with this DVD. of course Disney does also, so you gotta wonder why they think its decent cover art...
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
"The doors we open and close each day decide the lives we live." -Flora Whittemore
posted @ Fri, Oct 7, 2005 5:04:30 pm EDT from 150.201.33.37

Yes, I asked around for a while (wondering at first if something had gone wrong with my computer), and discovered that apparently the reason for it is the feud. I hope that this thing gets resolved soon, so that I can visit this place on my home computer again.

As for the DVD art - I'll honestly say that I buy these things for the DVDs, and as long as the DVDs themselves are top-quality, I don't worry too much over what the boxes that contain them look like.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Oct 7, 2005 10:08:50 am EDT from 198.209.226.130

While it may not be the most attention-grabbing style of art for store shelves, I was hoping they'd keep Season 2 consistent with Season 1 and have another stone/shiny image. Only with more characters and maybe a castle/cityscape background (and screenshots on the back of the case. That was the only thing sorely absent from Season 1). I hope Season 2 Part 2 features the whole clan, it's an ensemble series. At the very least, Elisa should be on there. And if I could request a major character who's not part of the main cast to include as well, Xanatos. I dunno, the stone art almost made it seem like Disney acknowledged that these DVDs aren't purely aimed at children, but more than that, gave them an air of respectability and made it look like some care was put into assembling them...or something. You know what I mean.

It's not like the covers to the DVDs are a HUGE deal, it's the content that really counts...but I kinda hate what they've chosen for Season 2 Part 1. It looks amateurish and rough...it looks too much like it was taken from a page of a Gargoyles comic book that wasn't the best possible piece of art they could've sampled.

If they couldn't go with the stone art, I would've liked one of the many painted promotional images like everyone else is suggesting.
Kris - [plekopleko@hotmail.com]
posted @ Fri, Oct 7, 2005 5:40:37 am EDT from 69.17.169.178

Stephen> Actually, 2 major internet comapanies have thrown a hissy fit and aren't talking to each other, cutting off their customers from each other.
That's why a lot of people have been having trouble with sites like photobucket lately.
Chameleongirl - [<- article on web-feud]
Chameleon may change her spots, but she refuses to do plaid
posted @ Fri, Oct 7, 2005 12:14:44 am EDT from 202.87.162.31

Don't know if anyone else here knows, but Christine Morgan is writing a Gargoyles Fanfic from within her expanded universe again! I've included the link to the sample she posted.
Gantros
"As with all things, darkness falls for thee..."
posted @ Thu, Oct 6, 2005 11:21:27 pm EDT from 67.189.1.250

TODD - Turns out some of the local internet in my part of the country, and other places that relied on Road Runner Hi-Speed Access, had trouble reaching certain websites because of some technical trouble. For me, I couldn't get to S8 or DeviantArt or several other websites... I'm thinking that could have been the same trouble you experienced?

DVD Cover - It's not bad... I will agree that they could have done something similar to that painting of Demona, Goliath and Macbeth, maybe in a more stylized format similar to how the characters came out in the actual show.

Maintain and Check Six
Stephen Sobotka Jr.
"Those who don't believe in the Dark Side, are talking Non-Sith!"
posted @ Thu, Oct 6, 2005 7:11:46 pm EDT from 24.28.10.202

Sorry, that was *Shannon*, not Shara! Sorry, Shannon!
Kaylle - [kaylle at ladyavalon.com]
This be the Pirate Channel! All sales all the time!
posted @ Thu, Oct 6, 2005 4:48:06 pm EDT from 18.244.0.88

Greg> As Shara said, my page is at www.gargoylesdvd.com :) Hope it's helpful! It's a little out of date, but I'm trying to fix that this afternoon.
Kaylle - [kaylle at ladyavalon.com]
This be the Pirate Channel! All sales all the time!
posted @ Thu, Oct 6, 2005 4:30:15 pm EDT from 18.244.0.88

Todd: I haven't had any major access problems, but I have noticed some quirks. When the server failed a week or so ago, Shortly before it occurred, I noticed that in the chatroom, the background appeared white on my computer for about an hour before it died all together. It was doing that yesterday again for a while. As for Wyvernweb(I have webspace and mail there) I haven't noticed an issue there per say. Then again, I spend more time at S8 then I do on my own web page. They may still be doing some work on it, since everything died but the hard drive and it's in a temporary home tower.
Wingless
posted @ Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:28:38 pm EDT from 70.27.173.206

Todd: I've had the same problem more than a few times in the last couple of weeks. I think it has to do with the server. Something in the server wouldn't process certain IP ranges or something like that.

During the middle ages, I'm sure more than a few non-Inquitision friendly churchmen would have granted sancutary to clans, if no because they felt sorry for them, than because they would protect the Cathedral.
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
If all things are true, then someone is actually taking all my left socks!
posted @ Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:09:39 pm EDT from 64.192.79.46

I've been unable, for the past two days (today and yesterday) to get to Station 8 - or WyvernWeb, for that matter - on my computer, but am able to reach it on the computer at the public library. Could anyone tell me if WyvernWeb's been having unusual issues lately, or could something be going wrong with my computer? (If it's the latter, it must be extremely selective, since Station 8 and WyvernWeb are the only sites that I'm unable to connect with on it, so far as I know.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Oct 6, 2005 10:06:34 am EDT from 198.209.226.130

Shannon> gotcha. sorry i didn't see Greg's comment there. my apologies.

Dee> yes, if any Saint was to have gargoyle connections, i can see it being St. Francis. my mother is actually a Secular Franciscan so i was raised with plenty of Francis lore and stories, plus a good amount of those innumerable Francis with nature pieces of art. he seems like he'd accept them, even if the Church as a whole did not.
unfortunatly, any Clans befriended by the Church were almost certaintly wiped out at some point and it wouldn't be a surprise to me to learn that their destruction was related to actions of the Ghurch and change in dogma.
if any of these Clans have remnants they are probably part of the New Olympian Clan, but i wouldn't hold my breath.
and yeah, there was a Clan in Rome if i'm not mistaken. they were the original inspiration for the Modesty Spell i think.
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
"Do not despise the day of small beginnings." -Zechariah 4:10
posted @ Thu, Oct 6, 2005 9:35:32 am EDT from 150.201.66.47

Matt> Above his comment and before my response, Greg Weisman asked for a URL for Kayle's DVD website (actually he says "a link"). I think the one I responded with is the one he means, that was referenced in here a couple weeks back.

I don't know what he needs it for (his business), but he requested it and I searched it out.

If you mean what do I mean by I have way too much time on my hands, it means I'm still job hunting and browse through here every so often while I hit online job boards and other stuff. That's all.
Shannon "Shan" Muir - [shanemuir@aol.com]
Shannon "Shan" Muir
posted @ Thu, Oct 6, 2005 12:16:49 am EDT from 207.200.116.196

True and maybe, but I've always thought that the church kept secrets,I have always figured that perhaps Saint Frances of Assisi may have had an involement with Gargoyles. (he seems the type)and his version of the catholic faith seems to be alot like the gargoyles faith. Also wern't there gargoyles in Rome.

Might make an intresting fanfic
dee
posted @ Wed, Oct 5, 2005 11:58:49 pm EDT from 207.200.116.196

Shannon> what are you talking about?

Dee> interesting idea, but i can't see the Roman Catholic Church harboring a gargoyle Clan. i could be wrong, but they seem a little, ummm, conservative for that. don't get me wrong i was raised Catholic, nothing against them, but i can't see the higher-ups in Rome doing something like that. of course if the gargs there were angelis looking enough, they (or some other church) might protect them and keep their secret. i dunno.

Greg W> thanks for letting us know. Ducktales was an excellant show and would not have been the same without the occasional Fenton/GizmoDuck episode.
the word "BlatteringBlatterskites" still makes me smile.
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
"Do not despise the day of small beginnings." -Zechariah 4:10
posted @ Wed, Oct 5, 2005 10:57:56 pm EDT from 66.189.238.57

Greg Weisman: you mean www.GargoylesDVD.com ???

(that was the only one I could find in the archives tied to that name... I have WAAAY too much time on my hands...)
Shannon "Shan" Muir - [shanemuir@aol.com]
Shannon "Shan" Muir
posted @ Wed, Oct 5, 2005 9:54:31 pm EDT from 207.200.116.196

This is something I have ponderd for awhile. Alot of Gargoyles are found on Cathedrals all over europe, is it a possiblity that some surrvived and live wihin the confines of the church?
dee - [DeannaS234@aol.com]
posted @ Wed, Oct 5, 2005 9:15:18 pm EDT from 207.200.116.196

Hey gang,

I need a link to Kayle's Garg DVD website. Anyone?
Greg Weisman
Greg Weisman
posted @ Wed, Oct 5, 2005 9:03:12 pm EDT from 66.245.233.54

I read today that Hamilton Camp passed away.

I first met Mr. Camp, when I story edited the last five episodes of DuckTales. Hamilton was the voice of GizmoDuck.

We worked together again on Starship Troopers, where he played the "Old Ranger".

More recently, I'd seen him live on stage in a number of productions with Glendale's "A NOISE WITHIN" Theater company. He played Sir Andrew Aguecheek in Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, and he was hilarious.

And it doesn't seem that long ago, that I ran into him in Larchmont Village and introduced him to my two kids. We didn't know each other well, but he was always gracious, professional... and FUNNY as hell.

Godspeed, Hamilton.
Greg Weisman
Greg Weisman
posted @ Wed, Oct 5, 2005 7:26:24 pm EDT from 66.245.233.54

Happy Birthday Patrick

Geez, and a super extra belated happy birthday to Greg. I'm such a slowpoke.
Wingless
posted @ Tue, Oct 4, 2005 6:53:49 pm EDT from 70.27.173.206

Happy birthday Patrick.
The Sadistic Cow
Constant vigilance!
posted @ Tue, Oct 4, 2005 2:30:22 pm EDT from 69.157.6.78

Patrick: Happy Birthday.

Crazy Jen: Good Luck.

DVD cover: It's good. The COS image is cool, but I don't know how well it would look after being cropped and having "Season 2, Part 1 DVD" banners superimposed over it.
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
If all things are true, then someone is actually taking all my left socks!
posted @ Tue, Oct 4, 2005 12:53:07 pm EDT from 64.192.79.46

Happy birthday, Patrick!
Spen
"There is, on the whole, nothing on earth intended for innocent people so horrible as a school." - George Bernard Shaw
posted @ Tue, Oct 4, 2005 11:49:54 am EDT from 207.177.11.252

Happy birthday, Patrick. Go get you some (cake, that is).
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Time's short, your life's your own, but in the end we are just dust and bones."
posted @ Tue, Oct 4, 2005 10:08:19 am EDT from 69.174.1.148

Happy birthday, Patrick!
Todd Jensen
"Gargoyles" - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Tue, Oct 4, 2005 7:05:20 am EDT from 4.244.12.105

Today's the only day of the year that is not my unbirthday. ;)

63 days left until Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 1 comes to DVD.
Patrick
"Look, you're British, so scale it down a bit." - Eddie Izzard
posted @ Tue, Oct 4, 2005 6:45:59 am EDT from 68.170.199.45

yo chaps, any wind about the comics wot?
Ethnar - [algalords_emisarry@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Oct 4, 2005 12:28:34 am EDT from 69.105.99.174

Wingless> yes, i've always loved that too. in my mind is was the most beautiful turning-to-stone sequence in the series and its gorgeous artwork besides. would be nice to see that somewhere, someday.
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
"Do not despise the day of small beginnings." -Zechariah 4:10
posted @ Mon, Oct 3, 2005 10:22:48 pm EDT from 66.189.238.57

Was watching the new Kong animated series on Toon Disney today and saw the awakening of the harpies, which are very gargoyle-like in their design. The only gargoyle trait they seem to lack is tails and stone sleep, except for the lead harpy bursting from a statue at the beginning of the episode, called "Dark Force Rising".
Gantros
"As with all things, darkness falls for thee..."
posted @ Mon, Oct 3, 2005 8:39:24 pm EDT from 67.189.1.250

I love that pic too.
This is another pic i'd like to see them use on a package somewhere. maybe on the back. Think it was a shot from Revelations. Gee, it's been sooo long. December 6th can't come soon enough.

Also, the one bonus I would love to have seen on this set. The alternate ending of "Vows". Sure, it was wrong and it confused the hell out of those of us who first saw it, bbut hey, it was beautiful animation and I'd hate to see it lost forever.
Wingless
posted @ Mon, Oct 3, 2005 6:13:13 pm EDT from 70.27.173.206

yes, thanks Leo. thats the pic i was refering to. i love that pic, i wish they would've used that.
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
"Do not despise the day of small beginnings." -Zechariah 4:10
posted @ Mon, Oct 3, 2005 4:35:06 pm EDT from 66.189.238.57

Matt> I think this is the pic you were referring to:

http://avalon.gargoyles-fans.org/ftp/pictures/disney/gg511172.jpg

The Avalon Archives also has a pic of the poster, but for some reason, I get an "not authorized to view" message.

And yes, that would have been a cool cover.
Leo - [<- Official Disney art]
posted @ Mon, Oct 3, 2005 11:25:36 am EDT from 68.231.241.236

in that comic cover anyone else notice the (bullet?)holes in Goliath's wing?
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
"Do not despise the day of small beginnings." -Zechariah 4:10
posted @ Mon, Oct 3, 2005 11:24:22 am EDT from 66.189.238.57

Spacie - Greg said he wasn't seeing Serenity until next weekend. If I know him, he'll be all snooty and hate it. He does that snooty thing a lot lately. :P Might not want to post spoilers in here though.

Also FOR SALE!

http://www.livejournal.com/users/crzydemona/399409.html

I'm having to sell some animation cells to help pay the bills (Divorce is a fun thing). This is a cell of Goliath and Elisa taking off from the castle. It's actually FOUR cells and a photographic background that span over two feet long. I'm entertaining ANY offer right now due to my dire situation. Drop me a note in my LJ or my email if your interested. Thanks!
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
"I'm a leaf on the wind." Wash - Serenity
posted @ Mon, Oct 3, 2005 11:20:49 am EDT from 216.195.244.57

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