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Comments for the week ending June 9, 2008

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Well, he doesn't know that Black Cat and Norman aren't just his best buddies.

He thinks Black Cat's that pretty girl who kissed him and helped him catch the Chameleon. And Norman was that selfless father who was willing to take a shot for his son (and Peter's best friend) and now is helping to get him back on track.

But still, yes, very ironic. Hah.

Aldrius
"Well it helps when you don't attack your customers!" - Dot Matrix, a financial wizard

Spec. Spider SPOILERS

Algernon> Black Cat is in there as well, though her influence on Peter could be called a mixed blessing at best. I think we're seeing a collection of friends, romantic interests (calling into question the sybiote's assertions about the state of Pete's love life), and people who have had an influence on Peter's life, whether they intended to or not.

Demonskrye: - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

SPIDEY SPOILERS

Did any one else find it ironic that one of the "friends" whose memory inspired Peter in this episode was Norman Osborn?

Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

Blaqthorne: Yeah, I own it. I also thought "Second Variety" was predictable. What I was referring to was the theme Dick was exploring, and his very scathing commentary on the evolution of sentience.

SSM SPOILERS
Not too much I can say that won't be repeating what others have said, but anyway...

At first, I was thrilled that it looked like Eddie Brock was not losing his job due to his own stupidity (which happened in both the comic and the movie). And then the alien came back, and even though it was still alive, Brock no longer seemed to care about the job. I guess Eddie is just fated to contribute to his unemployment. Still, I like the treatment of the symbiote a lot.

Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Passion is blasphemy in this holy place... and I have a great need to blaspheme." -Mazikeen ("Lucifer")

The con suite is a place for people to relax, hang out, have a snack, and watch videos. In the past, we've used a hotel room for the con suite. This year, the con suite room is right near the rest of the meeting rooms, which will hopefully make things easier for both the con staff and the fans.

19 days left until The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles in Chicago, Illinois!

Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

My apologies if this question is obvious/was answered several weeks ago; I've been looking at the G08 tentative schedule of events, and I was wondering: what events are going on in the Con Suite from 10-6/7 every day?
Spoonvonstup - [<-- Gargoyles- You're Beautiful]

ED, I don't have problems with the postage I go for the expensive shipping which is about $30/£15 They ship it out Thursday and I get it Monday/Tuesday.
VickyUK - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]

"Aldrius> Since you like Beast Wars/Beasties and Reboot (why won't they release S1 & S2?!?), ever check out War Planets/Shadow Raiders? WP/SR is my favorite of the Mainframe productions."

I haven't. I've been meaning to but I haven't been able to find it.

Aldrius
"Well it helps when you don't attack your customers!" - Dot Matrix, a financial wizard

Matt: I have a local shop, luckily. I guess you've checked the store locator: http://csls.diamondcomics.com/

Mega City Comics (.co.uk) have a good deal for subscriptions though if I recall. I've used them a couple of times for one-off orders and they've always been excellent. I know a lot of people swear by Ace Comics (.co.uk). I think you'd probably need to ring them up since the sites aren't usually much help when it comes to more obscure comics. Some Borders stores do comics as well.

Vicky, what are Midtown like on postage? I find the big problem with mail ordering is the postage if you're not buying multiple issues a week.

Ed

MattD, I use www.midtowncomics.com I find them very good. I pay by Paypal
VickyUK - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]

*passing through*

Something about this store caught my eye: www.flipsidecyclemart.com (or click my name)

re: Philip K. Dick (re: Harvester of Eyes)
If you can find it, "The Philip K. Dick Reader" has all three of those short stories, as well as "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale" (what Total Recall was based on, and the only reason I bought the collection). I thought "Second Variety" was very predictable.

Aldrius> Since you like Beast Wars/Beasties and Reboot (why won't they release S1 & S2?!?), ever check out War Planets/Shadow Raiders? WP/SR is my favorite of the Mainframe productions.

Blaqthourne & Crimson Fury

Interests for the most part are pretty limited. I'm very fickle and I rarely stick with anything for very long before I go back to something old or something new. In general I don't read too much these days, either comics (though I never read comics regularly really) nor books. Television I catch what I can, I'm a big fan of Heroes and occasionally House and Hell's Kitchen.

Obviously I like the new Spectacular Spider-man, and Transformers: Animated is really growing on me. Some older shows I loved were Everwood, Beast Wars, B:TAS, Justice League (Unlimited), Superman:TAS... I love Death Note but haven't really been able to watch much of it. I was enjoying what I saw of season 2 of WITCH, and I watch way, way too many cartoons. (Is there such a thing, though? :P) I like the old Simpsons and Futurama a lot as well, but really... who doesn't? I liked Frasier and I liked Cheers most of all. Golden Girls too. But my favourite show of all time is probably Reboot. Especially season 3. Nothing comes close to that level of quality for me. Not even close. I'm not a big fan of the new comic so far, but it's only been one issue.

Movies I am pretty eclectic about as well. I love the 90's Disney classics. The Ashman ones most of all (guy knew how to tell a story in song). I like Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (until he puts on the hood I think McDiarmid is brilliant), A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, and then I like bits and pieces of the other three. I love Manchurian Candidate and Angela Lansbury in it so much. I'd say I like Citizen Kane, but I've only watched it once, so I fear I might simply be speaking from it's reputation. I like Jurassic Park, I liked Indiana Jones a fair bit, but again, only seen it once so I might be speaking simply from reputation. Any Brad Bird movie is brilliant (namely Ratatouille) and furthermore any Pixar movie is brilliant. Lilo and Stitch too, especially after watching all the deleted scenes (violence really can be a lot more powerful). Pink Panther movies are good. Mask of the Phantasm, Batman Returns (except the Penguin, yeesh) and Batman Begins I all liked. I liked the first Pirates movie. The Inside Man, I enjoyed for what it was worth.

Books, I was gonna read a George R. R. Martin book with a friend, but I don't know if we'll ever get around to it.

Aldrius
"Well it helps when you don't attack your customers!" - Dot Matrix, a financial wizard

Spectacular Spider SPOILERS

As usual, other people have covered a lot of my feelings about the latest episode already, so I'll try to be brief. I agree that this is probably one of the best handlings of the black costume storyline I've seen so far, with the possible exception of my small feeling that maybe this should have been a season two story. Emphasizing the psychological aspect of the symbiote all the way through to how Peter eventually rids himself of it was a smart move, keeping the story focus on the choice Peter must make between taking greater power for his own gain and leading a more difficult life of responsibility, while minimizing the role of the big bell.

I had been wondering if and when we would see Spidet's origin explained and why Ed Asner, with prior connections to both Greg and Spider-Man, hadn't done voice work for the series yet. (His performance as J. Jonah Jameson is one of the highlights of the rather uneven 90s cartoon.) This episode answered both questions. It's a good spot to bring in the origin and there are lots of nice nods to the version in the first movie without it being a slavish adaptation. (The mechanical webshooters being on obvious departure.) I was pretty sure I recognized Ed Asner prior to the commercial break and I was completely sure of it in the next act. It's good to hear his voice again and as always, he does a great job.

I'm among those who never cared all that much for Venom. In fact, the only fiction I could really stand him in prior to this was the original Spider-Man video game for the original PlayStation. But Eddie Brock hs been an interesting character in this series and his arc from Peter's best friend to his worst foe has been compelling. My only gripe is that I kind of wish that Eddie's turning point had come in this episode. I always kind of figured that Gwen would be filling Eddie in on the fact that Peter needs the money from the photos to help Aunt May pay the bills, so angry as Eddie might have been with Pete, he couldn't really hate him knowing that his motivations at least were good. But when Aunt May has a heart attack and Pete doesn't show up at the hospital until much later, Eddie just can't stop denying that Pete really doesn't care about anyone but himself. The way it is works reasonably well, but I still feel like Eddie's either overreacting or lacking the crucial information about why Peter started taking pictures for profit. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the Venom story plays out. Having Venom as the only villain we know of who currently knows that Peter Parker and Spider-Man are one and the same makes him even more of a threat, but it also means Spidey can't afford to leave him on the loose for too long.

Demonskrye: - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Can I just ask any other UK fans - How (or where) have you been ordering the comic from?
I have been having real trouble getting hold of it. Was able to get the first few issues from Amazon (US) but they don't seem to stock anything past issue 6 (as well as charging double the cost of an issue in postage - and each item has postage charged seperately).
I tried ordering through Slave Labor too, but they never responded to any of my (multiple) enquiries regarding how much international shipping would be.
I've not been able to find any online UK comic stores that are stocking it either and the book and comic stores I have been to would neither stock it or order it for me :(
Anyone have any other suggestions?

MattD

TODD> <<but I will say this: when the antagonist knows that Peter Parker and Spiderman are the same guy, there's bound to be trouble.>>

Yup, that is exactly what made Norman Osborn/Green Goblin such an effective villain. Still does, for that matter.

Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Dave moved in when I was ten. So I already built up a ten year Dad-Callous but Dave was still fresh, soft and pink so I kind of became like Dave's Secret Service. Except I had to protect a really dumb guy from danger. Wow, that's exactly the Secret Service." -Christopher Titus

* SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN SPOILERS *

Ed Asner did the voice of Uncle Ben? I didn't know that when I was watching the episode, but thanks for telling me about that.

Peter's symbiote-influenced behavior was truly creepy - yelling at his friends when they tried to help, and then deciding to work for Tombstone. (Like Bishansky, I'm looking forward to seeing what the consequences of that will be. And Tombstone's stricture that Spidey leave ordinary crime alone is all the more unsettling since it was an ordinary criminal, not a super-villain, who murdered Uncle Ben.)

And Peter's uneasy musing over all the things that he's been doing, culminating in "And why am I saying 'we' all the time?" was another great touch.

I wasn't expecting the flashback to Peter getting bitten or the appearance of Uncle Ben, but I think that they were great touches as well.

I'm not enough of a Spiderman expert to comment on Eddie Brock or Venom (Bishansky's better qualified than I am to discuss how they were used or misused in past stories), but I will say this: when the antagonist knows that Peter Parker and Spiderman are the same guy, there's bound to be trouble.

* SPOILERS END *

I found another piece of evidence that "Gargoyles" is still remembered. I was visiting a Narnia fan site and was reading a thread in its forum about the Telmarines in "Prince Caspian" and their hatred and fear towards the native Narnians (talking animals, dwarfs, centaurs, fauns, wood-nymphs, etc.) whom they had driven into hiding. One poster quoted Goliath's remark that it was the nature of humans to fear what they do not understand. I found that line a pleasant surprise - one more sign that the show hasn't been forgotten.

Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!

Spoonvonstup> Cool video. I enjoyed it.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

I don't know if this has already mentioned but I just been on IMDB site and I moticed that Salli Richardson and Keith David are going to be in a film together called Pastor Brown which is out in 2009, so that be something to look forward too.
VickyUK - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]

Spoon >> Well done! :D

I just found out Wendy Pini will be at San Diego Comic Con this year. I hope she has Elfquest material on hand since I would love to see it!

Now that makes 3 people for me to seek out during the convention... :)

The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>**)> Too much sleep again...

Well, I certainly cut things as close as I probably could. But! my music video is finally finished!
I'm pleased with it, all things considered. It was a great opportunity to reacquaint myself with the footage; so much time spent searching for Elisa's face!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbBRTftsX4c

Here's a link for anyone who's interested. A Goliath/Elisa tribute to "You're Beautiful" by James Blunt.

Spoonvonstup - [<-- Gargoyles- You're Beautiful]

Intervention
Okay, first off, if Pete is going to get that ruthless under the influence of the symbiote, I'm glad they built up to it slowly and subtly. Far better than the 90s series, which turned him into a monster within a single day, and the less said about symbiote Peter's depiction in "Spider-Man 3" the better. I especially like how my expectations were completely played. I expected Peter to punch out Flash, to do something nasty to Sally. To beat the snot out of Tombstone. But, nope, the people he's cruel to are his friends. Speaking of Tombstone, I am looking forward to the consequences of Spidey's deal with him. Spidey realizing he's saying "we" instead of "I" was well done, and it's nice to see the now, iconic cathedral scene. Hmm, Saint Damien's Cathedral, Greg? ;)

Flash Thompson was the voice of reason. Wow. I really liked that, it makes Flash a strong character and not just a stereotypical jock/bully. He dislikes Peter because he thinks Peter is an elitist jerk. Under the symbiote's influence, Peter proved him right. Now,

Flashback time. Okay, I'm sure some people won't like it, but I'm enjoying the black and white. But the most pleasant surprise is Ed Asner as Uncle Ben. That's perfect casting, and I'm glad that was kept under wraps. Really enjoyed it. This was also a great way to present the origin, a nice combination of the original comic book origin, and the movie's origin.

Uncle Ben as Peter's conscience, and the symbiote as the devil on his shoulder. I like it. Lots of flashbacks, almost like a clip show, and yet it wasn't. I know some people aren't into that sort of thing, but I loved this episode. It wasn't just an origin, it was a character study. A very solid character study.

Fanboy moment, I loved the homage to the cover of "Amazing Spider-Man #100"

Finally, Eddie Brock becomes Venom. Allow me, if you will, my own tangent here. I never liked Venom and mostly because of Eddie Brock. This is a character who has never been done well in any prior incarnation, even the original comic books. He was poorly conceived, poorly written, poorly characterized... and became a super star character. He's the Michael Bay of comic book villains. After he first appeared, everyone it seems, tried to create over the top muscle bound villains with no depth who could kick the hero's asses worse than any of their pre-established nemesis. For Batman it was Bane; for Superman it was Doomsday... when those stories would better be told with pre-established villains like the Joker, Ra's al Ghul, Lex Luthor or Darkseid. I could go further, but there are entire essays on this. Personally, I think Venom is the poster child for everything that was wrong with comic books in the 90s, from the lack of creativity to the internal politics.

Now, all that being said, I liked this. It was definitely the best origin for Venom I have ever seen, and while that may not be saying much, I really did enjoy it. The symbiote itself was very well depicted. While I had misgivings about Eddie's behavior last week, he made a lot more sense today. He lost his job, his education, his future. Not to say he's absolved of responsibility. If he didn't let his hatred for Peter get in the way, he could have made the best of it, found another job and really worked for it. There are people out there who scrub toilets to pay for their educations. But then, when everything seemed okay, and the symbiote wasn't dead, Eddie released it and bonded with it. So, in the end, Eddie really screwed himself over. But it was done well, certainly better than the Sin Eater retcon in the original comic books. I have never been a fan of Venom, but I have accepted a while back that he's here to stay. The Green Goblin; Dr. Octopus and Venom... the unholy trinity.

Brilliant script, Greg. Brilliant episode. I am looking forward to next week's. Make me a fan of Venom.

Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Dave moved in when I was ten. So I already built up a ten year Dad-Callous but Dave was still fresh, soft and pink so I kind of became like Dave's Secret Service. Except I had to protect a really dumb guy from danger. Wow, that's exactly the Secret Service." -Christopher Titus

Review of Spectacular Spider-man Episode 12 :"Intervention"

I loved this episode. Hated Eddie. Loved this episode. And what made me love this episode instead of just liking it? Ed Asner, Jim Cummings, and Robert Constanza. Three of my favourite voice talents of all time. Even if Jim just had a bit part.

I love the fact that Spidey took up Tombstone's offer. It took the influence of an evil black suit, but he still went through with it, and I'm eagerly awaiting the consequences. I love the fact that Eddie so obviously went to see Aunt May in the hospital JUST to piss Peter off, rather than out of any genuine care for Aunt May. I loved Mary Jane in this episode, despite not being a big fan of Mary Jane in general, she's assertive, she's the queen bee of sorts. Same goes for Gwen, the two characters are really coming into their own rather than just being the 'girlfriend' and the 'wet blanket who worries a lot'.

I loved Flash in this episode, he's certainly come a long way from the stereotypical jock he was in episode 1. He's actually *gasp* put some thought into why he harasses Peter. It's not JUST because he's 'smart' or a 'nerd' or because he doesn't value the same things but because he thinks he's got a weak character. Maybe Flash believes in Nietzsche's teaching of 'whatever doesn't kill him makes him stronger'? And if Sally feels sorry for you, you know you've got problems.

Again, loved Ed Asner, loved Costanza and Cummings. Loved the whole flashback really, blatant ripping off of the movie aside. The symbiote seems to be a villain in itself here, and I'm really hoping we get more than a single host for him after Eddie. But I doubt that's going to happen.

Nothing much more to say, but the flashback of Spider-man saving all those people was really touching. Such a simple thing, pointing out how many times Peter's pulled someone out of the fire, was really effective, and showing all the people in Peter's life that he's touched and enjoyed the company of. (Of course, Black Cat and Norman aren't quite the buddies he thinks they are, but everyone knows that.) And it really shows how strong Peter's supporting cast is. (Even shows him saving Eddie)

Which brings me to my points on Eddie. He's being a numbskull. I can't get behind his motivation to want to destroy Spider-man and Peter at all. Now obviously he's allowed to be a jerk, he's a character, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy or understand it. If he took 3 seconds to THINK instead of feel, then he'd realize that all of his reasons for hating Peter are completely ridiculous. Now HE'S the one who's stolen the symbiote. Now he's costing himself his OWN job.

To interject something for a second, I love Mrs. Connors in this show too. That's just dawning on me. She's the businessmind behind the scientific brilliance. She owes Peter nothing, she owes Gwen nothing (speaking of which, is Gwen still working there? I guess not.), she owes Eddie nothing, she's just their employer.

Spider-man's saved Eddie and others a bunch of times (of course the symbiote didn't show him that), and because he destroyed an obviously dangerous symbiote, Eddie hates him for it. Of course, it's kinda Spider-man's fault for not EXPLAINING why he was going to ruin Eddie's chances at an education and a job (did he even LOOK for another job, though?) But still, none of the flashbacks of Peter being a 'bad guy' did it for me either. Oh well, everything else was fantastic, so I can hardly fault it for that, despite being a critical moment.

There's still time for all of this to make sense to me, though. Maybe Eddie will have an epiphany in the next episode and actually come to his senses. I'll just have to wait and see.

Aldrius

Antiyonder> Were you here a couple of years back when I was bouncing off the walls with happiness over the e-mail I got from Don Rosa after writing an article about one of his Scrooge comics? He's a wonderful person as well as an amazing creator. I also had the pleasure of meeting him at SDCC shortly thereafter and he's just as nice in person.
Demonskrye: - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Greg Weisman has confirmed that Fred Sykes (Fang's real name) was indeed inspired by Bill Sikes from "Oliver Twist".
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!

http://www.tv.com/story/11364.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=news&tag=headlines;title;1 <- So there is a Buffy seminar in my state this weekend.

My alma mater is staging several Shakespearan plays this month. I plan on attending "The Tempest". I've seen a video of it, but I wasn't impressed that much. I have some theories about Prospero in the gargoyles universe that has a nice tie in to what we already know.

dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?

Rebel>Enjoy!

Newsarama>It actually might be better that the trade hasn't been reviewed until now. Because #7 and 8 are now out, and it's undeniable that the art has improved in those two issues (I personally think the story has as well), it could allow interested people to scoop up #7-8 and see that the quality is only improving and that the title is worth picking up and waiting for.

Meg

Ed> If I recommend one thing, certainly to 'Gargoyles' fans, it's 'The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck'. What "City of Stone" is to 'Gargoyles', this is to Disney's ducks. A rich tapestry of history of mythology (the odd thing you'll find familiar from Greg's work) woven into an epic biography full of humour and pathos.

Got that and the Companion trade. I'd also recommend "Carl Bark's Greatest Ducktales Stories" Volume 1 and 2 for those who barely have any of CB's work. It contains the stories adapted into the Ducktales series and a page comparing the episode to the Uncle Scrooge issue it originated from.

Antiyonder

Greg: Thanks for the link. It's too bad they waited so long to review it, but at least it's a very positive review. It may pull in some new readership.

Ed: "The Sword" and "Mice Templar" are both really good. If you ever saw Kill Bill and enjoyed it, you'll like The Sword. If you ever read and enjoyed the Redwall books by Brian Jacques, you'll like Mice Templar.

Harvester: Philip K. Dick sounds pretty cool. I might have to check out his short stories.

Everybody: Well, it sounds like you all have great taste in films, books, comic books, etc. I'll have to check out some of those titles in the future. But for now, I'm off to pack my luggage, and bright and early tomorrow morning I'll be driving to the Houston airport, and then staying in Merida for two weeks (with a Mexican family, not in a dormitory). Starting tomorrow, I may not have internet access. If I don't, then I will talk to you all in two weeks!

Rebel
GOLIATH: I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SHAKESPEAREAN NOW.

Several months after it comes out, Newsarama reviews the first volume of Clan Building.

http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/05/30/weekend-reviews-tonoharu/

Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Dave moved in when I was ten. So I already built up a ten year Dad-Callous but Dave was still fresh, soft and pink so I kind of became like Dave's Secret Service. Except I had to protect a really dumb guy from danger. Wow, that's exactly the Secret Service." -Christopher Titus

Finally got BAD GUYS #3. Review to follow in due course but it's awesome. And thanks to Greg, if he's reading, for printing my review! I'll pop a double-review of this and #2 on Ask Greg when I have some time to compose my thoughts a bit better.

*** BAD GUYS #3 SPOILERS ***

I miss Karine's art but Christopher Jones does great work here as well. I love how Greg keeps writing in these vast panoramas of major cities -- Sydney, Tokyo, New York, Paris. It really sells the global scale of the story.

Interesting that Sevarius is tied into all their enemies, helping Demona, the Tasmanian Tiger and... well, I would guess Bushido Concepts is something to do with Taro.

The use of flashbacks here is really nifty, and great job Robby keeping the flashbacks distinctive despite not having colour to work with. The scenes with Jason and John didn't really bring up anything too surprising but they were really poignant. Ironic that Hunter takes a call from a gargoyle in the middle of the Quarrymen head office.

Greg was completely right, incidentally. I adore 'Bad Guys' and I can't wait to see how it all comes together.

*** /SPOILERS ***


Greg: Hah. I haven't been in London for the last couple of weeks, so no. Ironically just a month ago, Boris ended his victory speech with, "Let's get cracking tomorrow, and let's have a drink tonight."


COMICS/TPBs

If I recommend one thing, certainly to 'Gargoyles' fans, it's 'The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck'. What "City of Stone" is to 'Gargoyles', this is to Disney's ducks. A rich tapestry of history of mythology (the odd thing you'll find familiar from Greg's work) woven into an epic biography full of humour and pathos.

I also adore 'Blankets'. It's so warm, so sweet. Really magnificent.

Todd recommended 'Bone' to me and I wasn't disappointed. I prefer the comedy and heart of the early sections but it's all good.

Of current stuff, 'Atomic Robo' is a great, funny, high-spirited comic. Currently on hiatus, but I think there's a trade out soon.

I've been trying to get into 'Invincible' and 'Usagi Yojimbo' and enjoyed both first volumes. I've been following 'Y: The Last Man' but one trade before the end I'm pretty apathetic about it -- seems to have fizzled out after an amazing start. 'Salt Water Taffy' was fun. 'Transhuman' is odd but worth a shot. 'The Circle' never quite lived up to my first impressions, which were very positive, but was still great.

I'm generally more interested in indie stuff than mainstream Marvel/DC material. Mark Waid's 'Authoritative Action' arc on Fantastic Four is superb though.

Bunch of things catch my eye. 'The Sword', 'RASL' and 'Mice Templar' seem successful enough for me to trade-wait but they all look cool. The Carl Barks collection is going to be rereleased but the price is pretty eye-watering. SLG's 'Halo and Sprocket' looks brilliant so I'll probably get that at some point soon.


BOOKS

For most of my life I've lived just down the street from the library and now that I'm across town from one I find I read much less new stuff and reread stuff a lot. Luckily I'm an English graduate so it's not like my shelves are full of books I'd never want to look at twice. There's too much to mention and some stuff's just too obvious to mention but I have a particular fondness for Orwell, Susan Cooper, 'The Vision of Piers Plowman', most older Arthurian texts (especially Malory), Marlowe, Jonson, Dumas, Captain Corelli's Mandolin, Arthur Miller, 'Tristram Shandy', 'Don Quixote', Goethe's 'Faust', Joel Chandler Harris, various Reynard the Fox versions (especially Caxton's), 'Our Island Story'. Oh -- I adore the 'Just William' books by Richmal Crompton. They're amazing.

These days I'm reading a lot more on topics like history and space rather than fiction, and whatever nonsense Karl Pilkington comes out with.


TELEVISION

Current stuff: 'Ashes to Ashes', 'Pushing Daisies' and '24' even though it imploded spectacularly last year. I follow 'Lost', 'House' and 'Doctor Who' on and off but I'm not very caught up in them. Also anything, anything by Ricky Gervais & Stephen Merchant: the original 'The Office' was superb, the US version is great (even though they're not so involved in that), and the 'Extras' finale last Christmas was heartbreaking.

All-time favourites: the original 'The Office' and Gervais/Merchant's next show 'Extras' are both utterly stunning. 'Yes (Prime) Minister' is superbly funny and the sharpest satire I've ever seen. I can't recommend 'Veronica Mars' (especially Season 1), 'The West Wing' (Seasons 1 & 2), 'Arrested Development' and 'Firefly' highly enough. 'Miracles' and 'Nowhere Man' are great. 'Fawlty Towers' suffers here from being overly repeated but it's still amazing.


FILMS

'Night of the Hunter'. 'It's A Wonderful Life'. 'Goodbye Mr Chips'. 'Traffic'. 'The Sound of Music'. 'Spirited Away'. 'Duck Soup'. 'Groundhog Day'. 'The Wizard of Oz'. 'Pinocchio'. 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarves'. 'Gone With the Wind'. 'The Omen' (original). 'The Shining'. 'Suspiria'. 'Lost in Translation'. 'In the Heat of the Night'. 'American Beauty'. 'Casablanca'. 'Arsenic and Old Lace'. 'Back to the Future'. 'Bad Day at Black Rock'. 'Batman Begins'. 'Psycho'. 'Rebecca'. 'Memento'. 'Insomnia'. 'Chasing Amy'. '1984'. 'Sunset Boulevard'. 'Empire Strikes Back'. 'The Shawshank Redemption'. 'Citizen Kane'. 'Juno'. 'Serenity'. 'Aladdin'. 'The Lion King'. 'The Invincibles'. 'The Iron Giant'. 'Watership Down'. 'Monsters Inc'. 'Ratatouille'. 'The Exorcist'. 'Song of the South'. '2001: A Space Oddysey'. 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail'. 'Life of Brian'. 'The Truman Project'. 'The Terminator'. 'Terminator 2: Judgment Day'. 'Kramer vs Kramer'. 'Alien'. 'The Day the Earth Stood Still'. 'Trading Places'. 'Sleepless in Seattle'. 'Hotel Rwanda'. 'Rashomon'. 'Once Upon A Time in America'. 'Mr Smith Goes to Washington'. 'Nosferatu'. 'M'. 'Fatal Attraction'. 'A Night to Remember'. 'Rebel Without A Cause'. And more...


RADIO

You can download the complete radio archives of The Ricky Gervais Show off pilkipedia.co.uk. The early ones aren't that special but as Karl Pilkington gains confidence and is 'discovered' it becomes the most consistently, unexpectedly hilarious show ever recorded. Unbelievably good.

Ed

Speaking of comics, midtown is having a sale today through Sunday, 40% off back issues. So if anyone has any holes in their collection....
Meg

I still get The Amazing Spider-Girl, Marvel Adventures The Avengers and Detective Comics for reasons mentioned here: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/comment/archive/index.php?archive_date=2007-02-12

Justice League Unlimited and Teen Titans Go ended, thus I obviously can't get new issues. Fantastic Four I dropped to make room for Booster Gold, and due to McDuffie leaving the title. She-Hulk I tried some of Peter David's issue, but it didn't appeal to me as much as the humorous tones that Dan Slott provided.

Titles I've added since then:

Legion Of Super Heroes In The 31st Century- Got it since I watched the cartoon. And since J Torres will being doing his own third season, I'm curious as to what he has in mind.

Booster Gold- Previews of the series seemed interesting, and I've recently collected all 25 issues of the original series.

Justice League Of America: Since I knew about Justice League Unlimited was ending, I figured I get a new Justice League title in it's place and also because it's currently written by Dwayne McDuffie.

Justice Society Of America: Figured since I'm getting JLA, I'd get the JSA comics. Helped that I enjoy Geoff's writing on Booster Gold. Started collecting with the appearance of The Kingdom Come's Superman.

Comics I'm adding to my list this summer:
The Amazing Spider-Man Family- I'll tolerate the BND story, mostly for the Mr. And Mrs Spider-Man feature and those other stories they include.

Marvel Adventures Super Heroes- Suppose to focus on Spider-Man, Iron Man and The Hulk. Getting it for reasons similiar to Marvel Adventures The Avengers.

Love & Capes- Read the Free Comic Book Day copy of #7, though I'm going to look through a few more issue before I decide on this one.

The Legend Of Zelda- The manga based on the game is set for a release in October this year. Stories that have been adapted into manga format include Ocarina Of Time, Majora's Mask, Oracles Of Ages and Seasons and The Minish Cap.

Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]

I don't read too many comics except for tv spin-offs, though I do like Neil Gaiman. (Though I also get tired of him.) Currently all I'm reading is Doctor Who and Serenity, both of which I found while picking up Gargoyles comics. My comics collection includes several Star Trek books and an assortment of things like a few of the old Marvel Gargoyles comics, Futurama, and Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. And Asterix. I also found a used set of the Maus collection a short while ago, but I haven't read it yet.

As far as tv, the main shows I watch that are currently running are Doctor Who and Torchwood, BSG, House, 30 Rock, The Office, and Boston Legal. There are a bunch that aren't in production in the moment, but I won't go into them all. I've been discovering the joys of British shows lately, and catching up with past shows like Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes. And miniseries. I just watched Second Coming, which was amazing, and Casanova, which I blogged about recently ( http://bluewyverntea.blogspot.com/2008/05/best-and-worst-miniseries-ive-ever-seen.html ) and which was *really* amazing. If you want a recommendation, that's it.

bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."

No, if I worked for SLG, I'd also be reading Johnny the Homocidal Maniac.
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]

Hey Phil, do you work for SLG? Haha. :)
The Gargoyles Pulse
~ Anthony Tini

Comics I read: Gargoyles, Bad Guys, Wonderland, Tron, Haunted Mansion, Uncle Scrooge, Walt Disney Comics & Stories. (You're probably seeing the trend here, but I'm also looking forward to Indiana Jones and the Tomb of the Gods.)
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]

With three weeks left until the convention, today is the last day that pre-registration will be open.

21 days left until The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles in Chicago, Illinois!

Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

Other comics: I don't read too many other titles. Currently reading "Booster Gold" from DC. From Marvel I get "Runaways," and have a little interest in a new X-title, "GeNext:" in short, if the characters had aged real time, this follows second and even third generation X-men. Also released by Marvel's Soleil line "Sky Doll." Also reading Terry Moore's latest series, Echo. Still early to say if it's a keeper or not. And, as always, a few manga titles, namely CLAMP's xxxHolic and Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle.
Asatira

Meg- Depends when you left off. They just finished with the Cable/Bishop angle and the Apocolypse angle. As always with restart, there are some things that I like about it and some things I like better in the original comics. I always liked the relationship between Colossus and Shadowcat, but in the Ultimate series that won't be happening.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]

Greg B: I got sucked into Lucifer not too long ago. I just finished reading "Exodus," and as a result must proclaim my love for Mazikeen. ( ;

Rebel: Other than the Lucifer series, there aren't too many comics I'm reading. I have a few Spider-Man trade paperbacks, "Death of the Stacys" and "Kraven's Last Hunt." The latter is totally not what I was expecting, but the art was amazing. I've also read a few of the Marvel Civil War TPBs. "Front Line" was really good. Another TPB I enjoyed was Book Four of Neil Gaiman's "The Sandman," though I'm having a hard time getting through Book Two.

As far as other books are concerned, I adore the writing of Philip K. Dick. His short fiction is usually better than his novels. His novels do a fantastic job of setting up the story, but the endings are usually weak. Two novels that don't have this problem are "Time Out of Joint" and "Maze of Death." I'd recommend just picking up a collection of his short fiction to start with. Just make sure it has "Second Variety," "Paycheck," and "The Minority Report" in them. "Second Variety" is on my list of most mind-blowing things I've ever read.

Not too long ago, I read Heinlein's "Stranger In a Strange Land," and am currently reading William Gibson's "The Neuromancer." Which is leading me to do some research, because I recognize a lot of terms in it from the sci-fi/fantasy roleplaying game "Shadowrun" (terms such as ice, the matrix, datajacking, and new yen).

And as for favorite movies, they include The Usual Suspects, the Seven Samurai, Blade Runner, Casino, the Maltese Falcon, the Good the Bad and the Ugly, Memento, Clerks, A Few Good Men, the Godfather Parts I and II, Empire Strikes Back, The Fellowship of the Ring, Robocop, Cloverfield, and several by Hitchcock (most notably Vertigo, Rear Window, Psycho, the Wrong Man, and Frenzy).

Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Passion is blasphemy in this holy place... and I have a great need to blaspheme." -Mazikeen ("Lucifer")

Adam, how is Ultimate X-Men now? I followed it for a while, then dropped it around when I got disgusted with all the X-titles. I know it got a bit wonky for a while...has it gotten better?
Meg

I read Ultimate X-men, the Ultimates, and the Star Wars comics: Legacy, KOTOR, Dark Times and Rebellion.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]

Amory Wars (comic) is pretty cool. It follows the storyline presented in Coheed & Cambria albums. So far Amory Wars I was five parts and today actually Amory Wars II Part 1 comes out.

I'm also reading Helen Killer. Helen Keller as a superhero. It's pretty interesting so far.

Books? Harry Potter. Movies: Too many to list.

The Gargoyles Pulse
~ Anthony Tini

Right now aside from Gargoyles I'm only regularly picking up DC's Birds of Prey, although I think I'll start picking up Manhunter, too--apparently Manhunter is the best comic out that no one's reading, and has been that way for several years. I'm tempted by Wonder Woman, as well, if only because Gail Simone is a tremendous writer, but I'm just not into the WW mythos enough to grab it...yet. I'll for sure be picking up Greg Rucka's Batwoman if/when it appears, as well.

After the Secret Invasion nonsense dies down, I might start picking up Uncanny X-Men again; Iceman and Domino, two of my favorite characters, are supposed to be appearing regularly in it. Now if only they could bring back Shadowcat (AWAY from Colossus, thankyouverymuch) and Rachel....

I like what I've seen so far of Buffy Season 8, but not quite enough to buy it in individual form; I'm debating springing for the first TPB.

If anyone's looking for new titles to pick up, I honestly recommend browsing scans_daily over on livejournal. It's a good way to get a feel for current titles without feeling like you have to blow a wad of cash. (Also if you want to stay up on major storylines in titles related to the ones you're picking up). It's what's convincing me to grab Manhunter and give UXM a shot....

Meg

Other comics I read: New Avengers; Mighty Avengers; Thunderbolts; Thor; Buffy Season Eight; Angel: After the Fall; and I have bought all of Lucifer in TPB format, and am collecting Y: The Last Man.

Movies: The Godfather; The Godfather Part II; The Usual Suspects; Goodfellas; The Departed; Casino; The Lord of the Rings Trilogy; Reservoir Dogs; Pulp Fiction; Kill Bill Volume One; Kill Bill Volume Two; Raging Bull; Taxi Driver; The Last Temptation of Christ; American Beauty; Die Hard; Munich; Jaws; Annie Hall; Bram Stoker's Dracula; Psycho; The Silence of the Lambs; No Country For Old Men; Gangs of New York; Citizen Kane; The Maltese Falcon; Casablanca; The Shawshank Redemption; Shakespeare In Love; There Will Be Blood; Batman Begins; X-Men 2; Iron Man; On the Waterfront; Vertigo; Bonnie and Clyde; Titus; The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly; Amadeus; All About Eve; Sunset Blvd; Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan; Raiders of the Lost Ark; Chinatown.

I could keep going...

Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Dave moved in when I was ten. So I already built up a ten year Dad-Callous but Dave was still fresh, soft and pink so I kind of became like Dave's Secret Service. Except I had to protect a really dumb guy from danger. Wow, that's exactly the Secret Service." -Christopher Titus

Do any of the rest of you read any other comic books? If so, tell us what they are. Personally, I read a few other series besides Gargoyles and Bad Guys. I'd like to take this opportunity to recommend two fantastic comics to you guys: "The Sword" and "The Astounding Wolfman". Both of them are made by Image, and they're both awesome and fairly new. The Sword is on #8, and The Astounding Wolfman is on #6. I'm a big fan of many of the comics that Image puts out.

Got any other recommendations besides comic books? What are some of your favorite books, movies, etc.? (I'm sure you guys have talked about this stuff before but probably long before I started posting here). As far as books go, I'm a fan of Chuck Pahlaniuk and Kurt Vonnegut. I've only read a few books by each of them, but I intend to read more. "Choke" by Pahlaniuk and "Cat's Cradle" by Vonnegut are both two of the best books I've ever read.

As far as films go, some of my favorites include: "Dr. Strangelove, Or: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb", "Rent", "Donnie Darko", "Network", "Kill Bill" (1 and 2), and many more. These are just the ones I thought of off the top of my head.

What about TV shows? I admit, I don't really watch TV regularly anymore. But, I do love to watch Animal Planet, and I always enjoy it when "Meerkat Manor" comes on :P. Of course I also enjoy SSM, but it's difficult for me to catch it when it comes on and for some reason people have stopped putting it on youtube....or youtube has been yanking them when they do get put up. I really wish they would at least wait until the DVDs come out before they start yanking them.

So, what kinds of comics/books/movies/shows, etc. do you guys like? You can share what kind of music you like to; I didn't mention that because I'm really not an audiophile...though I do like Queen.

Rebel
GOLIATH: I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SHAKESPEAREAN NOW.

Just off the top of my head, here are two ways you could make the Owen as an aardvark thing work:

Scenario #1: Since Coco and Amp retain some characteristics of their comedy development counterparts, but have also changed in both character and appearance, the concept could also be a less than completely literal adaptation. So maybe there's a scene that takes place at a zoo or something and there's an aardvark in one of the enclosures with a name plaque outside that reads "Owen."

Scenario #2: PUCK: OK, Alex. Today we're going to be working on transforming a human into different animals. Since Mom and Dad have specifically requested not to be a part of this lesson, I'll be playing the part of the human. Now let's start with "A"....

Demonskrye: - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]

Yeah, I had the same thought. If Greg wanted to go there, i'm sure he could make it work.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Todd - I doubt that would happen in the short term, but IF Greg ended using the "Mr. Owen" aardvark, I imagine he could pull it off :)
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Greg's already included two elements in the comics that were discarded from the series earlier when it was on television: Coco and Amp, and Demona confronting the Canmores in the Parisian catacombs on the night of the Hunter's Moon in 1980.

I just hope he doesn't plan to do a story where Alex accidentally turns Owen into an anthropomorphic aardvark. :)

Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!

Gargoyles Art/ists: I have to be completely honest and say that, while it is accurate and requires immense skill, I do not care for Karine Charlebois' art. My initial reaction was incredibly positive, (and it still is positive) but upon review I found that I thought it was boring. I really like the reinterpretation aspect of the art. I agree with Matt that Hedgecock is improving vastly, and I really like that. I agree with Rebel that I tentatively like Chris Jones' and Nir Paniry's art. I like Jones' the best of the fill-in artists. His style's really clean. Charlebois' art is pretty amazing, and it really looks like it was taken straight from some of the best animated episodes, but I really like seeing new styles. /rant

PS-I ABSOLUTELY have no intention to offend anyone, and I have the utmost respect for all the artists and believe they are all extremely skilled.

Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?

Tony > All you need to do is take a look at the convention schedule posted on the Gathering web site to see why two or three things have to be happening at the same time. If we tried to have all those events arranged so that everyone could attend every session, the convention would have to be more than a week long. That's not realistic for people who have to take time away from work to attend

The only sessions that have sign-up sheets are the Mug-a-Guest because they are limited to a smaller number of people so as to be more intimate than the big Q&A type events.

Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

Anthony Tini> "I do remember Greg Weisman talking about winning a bunch of air hockey games. Would I be able to play air hockey against him or probably not?"

That depends on if there's a air hockey at the hotel or a nearby arcade, and if there is, whether Greg would have the time and interest.

I disagree about last year's con reports not being detailed enough. Re-read them. Some are very detailed.

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

Tony> I spearheaded the NY Gathering in '03, and have no intention of doing it again. That, and I'm living in Los Angeles now. Working on this year's and next year's.

On another note,

ED! If you're reading this, I just have one question. Were you involved with this?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=171029&title=anarchy-under-the-uk

How did that work out for all of you in London? ;)

Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Dave moved in when I was ten. So I already built up a ten year Dad-Callous but Dave was still fresh, soft and pink so I kind of became like Dave's Secret Service. Except I had to protect a really dumb guy from danger. Wow, that's exactly the Secret Service." -Christopher Titus

I look forward to detailed accounts of the Gathering experience for 2008. Unfortunately, none of the accounts last year went into enough detail for me to understand what is actually going on at these things, and how certain things are seemingly scheduled at the same time, and if there are so few people that attend the convention, how come there has to be some things that people miss in order to see something else?

Also, this sign up sheet is news to me. I'm guessing because you need to be 18 or older? Is that why there is a sign up sheet? Do you have to sign up for the other events?

I do remember Greg Weisman talking about winning a bunch of air hockey games. Would I be able to play air hockey against him or probably not? Wouldn't every attendant want to play air hockey with him? Isn't hanging out with the creator of Gargoyles better than not hanging out with the creator of Gargoyles?

So again, those who post reviews and accounts of their trip, please be as detailed as possible. Thanks!

P.S. Whomever spearheaded the Gatherings in NY during the years of 97, 98 and 03, would be greatly honored by me if they attempted to take on the hard work to do so again for 2010! Thanks again!

(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
~ Anthony Tini

By Ymir, this answers all my questions. And am overjoyed to hear about the Mug-a-guest. The sign ups were on the Gathering website last year, I think. So thought it was the same.
Thanks

Agrippa - [greydragonknight84 at yahoo dot com]

Agrippa,

When you arrive, come to the convention registration desk to pick up your packet and con badge. That will be on the 9th floor, in the hallway outside the meeting rooms. The Hotel Orrington will have signs posted that show the way. Arriving on Saturday is not a problem. The registration desk will be open all days of the convention from 10 AM to 5 PM.

The Mug-a-Guest sign-ups will take place at the convention, so none of them are filled up yet. Sign-up sheets will be at the Registration desk starting first thing each morning for the guests who have Mugs that day.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. I've also e-mailed this reply to you.

Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

Help regarding the gathering:
Greetings peoples,
I have just finished the final preperation for attending the Gathering later this month in Chicago. This is the very first time I have ever attended so really dont know how the whole things works. When you arrive, you show up at the con and get your registration packet? Could someone explain the whole process? I just dont want to get to the hotel, go to the wrong place.
Also, you dont have to show up on the 27th? Witht he Keith David concert concert cancelled, I decided to change reservations from sat-mon.
And Im guessing the Mug-a-guest thing is filled up? I originally didnt know you had to sign up for it.
So I would appriciate any help you can give.

Agrippa - [greydragonknight84 at yahoo dot com]

New Wyvern Clan: *blinks* Huh. I didn't even remember that there *was* a New Wyvern Clan. A little digging produced this:

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=7492

Greg doesn't say specifically gargoyles of Scottish stock, he says mostly descendants of Wyvern. I think that's your answer.

bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."

Has Greg ever specifically stated that the New Wyvern Clan would be mostly "scottish stock" or are we just assuming that?
Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

ADAM> <<I once asked Greg if any of the other members of the Avalon clan besides Angela would take up residence in the "real" world. He said that some would visit, but Greg didn't think that any of them would remain permanent.>>

He could have changed his mind.

<<And I don't know how the Manhattan clan is going to grow in numbers and be able to send some "Scottish" stock members of the clan to Wyvern with only one Scottish female, Angela.>>

Will be interesting to eventually find out, won't it?

<<My hypothisis would be that there could be a Scottish minority living with the London clan. That is the only explination that I can come up with.>>

Don't say that, your question will be tossed.

<<And I know that Thailog has DNA samples from the members of the clan, but if he does make a new clan out of them, I see the same problem with the new ones and with the old ones. The Manhattan clan will not want them and they with end up the the Labrynth clan again.>>

Never, ever assume. We have no idea what's going to happen there. We haven't even seen these new clones yet.

Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Dave moved in when I was ten. So I already built up a ten year Dad-Callous but Dave was still fresh, soft and pink so I kind of became like Dave's Secret Service. Except I had to protect a really dumb guy from danger. Wow, that's exactly the Secret Service." -Christopher Titus

Adam > Perhaps future eggs of the Avalon clan may be taken off of Avalon and brought into the real world? I don't think that Greg was counting the future eggs as clan members when he answered your question. As far as I know, the females on Avalon will come in heat sometime soon.
Rebel
GOLIATH: I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SHAKESPEAREAN NOW.

I have a question that I would like to ask all of you before summiting it to Greg and I would like your feedback on it. From what I understand, the New Wyvern clan supposed to be made up of "Scottish" stock Gargoyles from the Manhattan, Avalon, and Labrynth clans. I see a slight problem with that.
I once asked Greg if any of the other members of the Avalon clan besides Angela would take up residence in the "real" world. He said that some would visit, but Greg didn't think that any of them would remain permanent. And I don't know how the Manhattan clan is going to grow in numbers and be able to send some "Scottish" stock members of the clan to Wyvern with only one Scottish female, Angela.
My hypothisis would be that there could be a Scottish minority living with the London clan. That is the only explination that I can come up with. And I know that Thailog has DNA samples from the members of the clan, but if he does make a new clan out of them, I see the same problem with the new ones and with the old ones. The Manhattan clan will not want them and they with end up the the Labrynth clan again.
Let me know what you think. Thanks.

Adam

Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]

A reminder to all "Gargoyles" fans:

This Friday is the final day to preregister for The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois or to order a t-shirt or a copy of the Items of Enchantment Anthology before the convention. Even if there's just no way you can possibly attend this year, please consider supporting the convention by getting a shirt, an Anthology, or a supporting membership.

While there may be a few of each item leftover after the convention, the only way to guarantee that you'll get one is by reserving it in advance. Plus, we will cover the cost of shipping inside the USA for orders placed by June 6, 2008.

For registration and online orders, please visit:
http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com/g2008/registration.html

I hope to see many of you in Chicago!

23 days left until The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles in Chicago, Illinois!

Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

Thylacines are actually not all that tough of animals. I believe the prevailing evidence is that they were generally ambush predators, not relying on strength, but surprise and speed to bring down prey. Gargoyle beasts, on the other hand, seem to be predators that rely on strength to bring down prey. So, in a fight, it'd be like an Olympic sprinter going up against an Olympic bodybuilder... I know who I'd put my money on.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

I have one simple request. And that is to have thylacines with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!
Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

A crazy little idea. The next story in "Gargoyles" after the Stone of Destiny story will be Brooklyn's Timedancing, which means that when the Ultra-Pack is formed, the clan will have two gargoyle beasts (Bronx and Fu-Dog).

We'd earlier discussed the possibility that the Tazmanian Tiger might be the new member of the Ultra-Pack. I wonder if he'll recover Benjamin and Natasha, in which case they could be Bronx and Fu-Dog's opponents when the Ultra-Pack clashes with the Manhattan clan. (Though Benjamin and Natasha might need to get upgraded, to make certain that the gargoyle beasts don't make thylacines extinct a second time.)

Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!

I've found another original idea in the question queue, I think...

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=10683

Michael Keaton saves the Gargoyle race by having sex with the moon or something?

Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

Well, I've always liked Hedgecock and he has consistently improved. I'm glad he and Karine are our two main artists and don't think we could ask for better. Hedgecock stays true to the characters while adding a new and refreshing style and Karine perfectly captures the art of the original episodes almost as if (as someone else suggested) we are looking at screen-caps and not a comic book. I like them equally well, really.

So, anyone want to make any predictions about what Greg'll choose for the Radio Play this year?

Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

I agree. It's important to me that art be consistent with itself.
Rebel
GOLIATH: I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SHAKESPEAREAN NOW.

Rebel> My main problem with Hedgecock is that he seems terribly inconsistent to me. When he's good he's fantastic e.g. Coco ripping both arms of a steel clan robot, and I think he's a great character designer, Shari, Constance & Staghart are all very sharp looking. But I think he misses the mark almost as much as he nails it. It's a shame they don't have the money to hire an inker cause I think that help a lot.

One artist who I'd like to see on a more regular basis is Christopher Jones. I really liked his DCAU inspired art style. Bad Guys #3 was almost like reading a Gargoyles comic drawn by Bruce Timm.

Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

I tend to agree with Algernon. It's not that I dislike Hedgecock's art, it's just that I'm not actively fond of it...I don't particularly like it or dislike it. However, I am actively fond of the art of Ms. Charlebois...as well as (tentatively) Nir Paniry and Christopher Jones. I say "tentatively" because I would like to see their work in the comics again before I proclaim for sure that I like them. So far, based solely on the one issue that we have seen from each of them, I like them a lot.

This is my (rough) criteria for whether or not I like the art of someone who works on the Gargoyles comics:

"Are the characters on-model?"
"Is the art consistent with Disney's art?"

If the answer to the above questions is "Yes"...then that's great. So far so good. An example of someone in this category is Charlebois. If the answer to the above question is "No", then I ask myself this:

"Though the style is different from Disney's and the characters don't (necessarily) look the way I expect them to, do I feel that this art is different from the original series in a way that is MORE awesome, JUST AS awesome, or LESS awesome?"

If the answer is "more awesome" or "just as awesome"...then that's great; chances are I like the art. An example of the kind of art that falls into this category is the art of Nir Paniry and Christopher Jones. Their art is different than the original Disney art, but it's different in a way that I enjoy and can appreciate, and I do not feel it is "less awesome" than the Disney art. Another artist in this category is Amanda Conners. She has not worked on the SLG comics, but she did do the Marvel issues back in the 90s. Her art style was VERY different from Disney's art, but I felt like it was different in a way that was just as good or better (except I really didn't like the way she drew Demona, but other than that I liked it).

Then I ask a few more questions, which are also fairly important:

"Is the art consistent with ITSELF?" (this is important. If you are going to be off-model, then be consistently off-model in the same way, over and over)
"Does it convey a good sense of movement in action scenes?"
"Are the emotions of the characters conveyed well?"
"Could I get a decent gist of what is going on even without reading the text?"

Etc., etc. That's basically how I decide if I like an artist's art. I don't actually sit down and ask myself these questions...it just sorta comes to me as I'm reading a comic. I usually get a general impression of whether or not I like it first, but then when I ask myself why I like it, it's because it satisfies the above criteria.

Anyway, if the comics end up going back in-house, that'd be fine with me, if it means the comics end up coming out on time and the stories don't get "S&P"ed, and the art doesn't make a change for the worse.

Rebel
GOLIATH: I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SHAKESPEAREAN NOW.

UncleDeadly - The link to the article suddenly went dead. Did anybody save a copy of it?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?

We're still speculating, anyway. We don't even *know* if SLG is going to lose "Gargoyles" or not.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!

Lumpmoose> I think Disney is smart enough to realise that a comic operates under very different rules then a saturday morning cartoon. Remember this is the same Disney which made "Pirates of the Caribbean", a franchise that features stabbings, sexual innuendo galore and women and children being hanged on mass. The days of Disney being solely dedicated to cute animal fluff are long gone.
Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

Algernon: "Frankly I could take or leave Hedgecock, and Karine Charlebois will probably follow wherever the franchise leads."

I like how respectful Charlebois is of the original animation, but I personally hope Hedgecock stays on as well. I think he massively improved in #8 and I like his interpretation of the characters and his new London garg designs. I appreciate how his art looks more like a traditional comic book rather than an animation cell. Not to rag on Ms. Charlebois: I think both interpretations have a place in the series.

Lumpmoose - [lumpmoose at googles dot email dot service]

Greg Bishansky: "Nothing that we've seen so far in the comics could be done without Disney's approval. Nothing."

True, but I doubt the people approving material licensed to external publishers are the same people managing in-house content. I just can't fathom the cover of #5 having 'Disney Comics' splashed across the top. Maybe Kingdom Comics will have the same insulation; I don't know.

On another note, putting Gargoyles back under direct Disney control would mean the bean-counters control the fate of the property again. Gargoyles was a top-seller for SLG, but if it doesn't match sales to some National Treasure one-shot, what's to stop them from dropping it after one issue?

Lumpmoose - [lumpmoose at googles dot email dot service]

Sorry, I meant to say "I predict GREG will..."
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

I wouldn't be so worried about things. Lets stop discussing the different possibilities and options if the comic fails and instead devote that energy into making sure it doesn't.

Personally, I think SLG will renew the licencse for a further 12 issues. Not so sure about the spin-offs. We'll see. I predict will inform us of this information (or at least some new information) at the Gathering.

Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Lumpmoose> "Is there any reason they couldn't transfer over? I mean David Hedgecock is from Ape Entertainment and Robby Bevard from GURU-eFX. Were they contracted to SLG?"

Frankly I could take or leave Hedgecock, and Karine Charlebois will probably follow wherever the franchise leads. So that just leaves Mr. Bevard. Still whatever happens with SLG I'm hopeful that Gargoyles will continue in one form or another.

Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

Lumpmoose> "That said, I'm wary of giving Gargoyles back to Disney. It might mean switching from license approval to full-blown S&P, meaning stuff like Goliath's stabbing and Lex's future romances might never see the light of day."

Um, what do you think the approval process for the comics actually is? Nothing that we've seen so far in the comics could be done without Disney's approval. Nothing.

Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Dave moved in when I was ten. So I already built up a ten year Dad-Callous but Dave was still fresh, soft and pink so I kind of became like Dave's Secret Service. Except I had to protect a really dumb guy from danger. Wow, that's exactly the Secret Service." -Christopher Titus

dph_of_rules: "The last sentence concerns me. Given the learning curve we've experienced with artists, I would be concerned if we had to go with another publisher."

Is there any reason they couldn't transfer over? I mean David Hedgecock is from Ape Entertainment and Robby Bevard from GURU-eFX. Were they contracted to SLG?

I don't mean to sound ungrateful to SLG, but the poster has a point--Gargoyles may have been a lot more consistent with a major publisher behind them. That said, I'm wary of giving Gargoyles back to Disney. It might mean switching from license approval to full-blown S&P, meaning stuff like Goliath's stabbing and Lex's future romances might never see the light of day.

Lumpmoose - [lumpmoose at googles dot email dot service]

DPH> Yeah, the irregular schedule is probably turning of a lot casual fans. But frankly I'm grateful that these comics even exist at all. If you had told me back in 2004 that we'd be getting a regular Gargoyles comic and a spin off mini-series in a mere four years time I'd have laughed in you face. So whether the comic lasts twelve issues or twelve thousand, I intend to savour every minute of it!

On a lighter note, here's something to help stave off the doom and gloom...

http://www.garfield.com/fungames/amazing.html

Can you unlock the secret of Garfield's amazing power!

Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

Reply to the article - "

I had big time interest in SLG's Tron and Gargoyles comics when they were announced and ordered them for the first year or two. But the constant lateness turned me off. And since I had to special order these from my store, it was impractical to keep buying them. I would rather see these properties be handled in house if it means that they will come out on some regular schedule."

The last sentence concerns me. Given the learning curve we've experienced with artists, I would be concerned if we had to go with another publisher.

dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?

SS-M Spoilers:

I'm probably going to have to watch the episode again to get a better idea on Brock's behavior. His parents' death, revealed a few weeks ago, that he buried down, may be the cause of his current frustration.

The Gargoyles Pulse
~ Anthony Tini

Here's another article I found interesting. It concerns SLG and the recent creation of Kingdom Comics.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=159107

So looks like SLG still wants to keep things going, and if the commenter on that thread is right (I haven't yet found a supporting story), than SLG may likely keep the licenses (if they can afford them). Here's hoping!!

UncleDeadly

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Anthony> I don't have any problem with Brock hating Peter's guts. That's perfectly understandable given the circumstance, and I did like the part where he's tearing into Peter. That felt natural and in character.

But the scene with MJ felt contrived. He talks and acts like a creepy psychopath not a man feeling angry and betrayed by his best friend. I've read in interviews that Brock is supposed to have some deep seated psychological problems. Fair enough, but up until now we've seen no hint of this side of his personality. I'm hopeful though that the next episode will flesh out Brock's character and put his descent into madness in a better context.

Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

SSM Spoilers:

I'm really surprised to read some of your reviews regarding Eddie's anger in the most recent episode. He lost a life long friend. He gave Peter chance after chance to course correct himself, and he didn't, which, to Eddie, was a huge slap in the face.

Eddie's first reaction was disbelief. He couldn't believe that Peter could possibly betray him by betraying Dr. Connors. Can you picture Eddie talking up his best friend to the Doc and how crucial he'll be to the team of researchers? And then that person he spoke so highly of to stab him in the back? Friends don't do that to other friends.

So they gave each other that much needed space. It wasn't shown on TV how hurt Eddie was... how it destroyed him a little inside. He put on a happy face, and continued to communicate with his friend, but his friend was still taking pictures of Spider-man and not appearing to care about their friendship.

So after month(s) of just no caring and no communication, Eddie had enough. Unfortunately, he took it out on the wrong person. Maybe inside he was hoping that his date with MJ would go well and that would get Peter's attention, but Eddie blew it and his feelings rose to the surface. And we were shown that in "Group Therapy", and we'll probably see some more again soon.

The Gargoyles Pulse
~ Anthony Tini

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I'm also thinking that MJ knows the truth about Peter. The real big clue is in "Catalyst": "what's that Tiger? You want to ditch me here in the middle of our first date so you can run off and play Jimmy Olsen? Yeah, I'm cool with that." Either who ever wrote that was even more clueless about women then Pete or somethings.

Brock's turn to the dark side also seems to be a bit sudden. Up until now his anger was that of a man who understandably believes his best friend has become an opportunistic sell-out. If Brock is supposed to have some inner demons we really should have seen some sign of it before now.

Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

WARNING: SPOILERS

Actually, I've been doing some thinking. We know Greg is taking a lot of stuff from the Lee/Romita era of Spider Man. So I'm wondering if Mary Jane's line to Eddie is a hint that she knows who Spider Man is.

I think the whole thing with Eddie feels a little rushed. It was good to get some background on how close him and Peter are. Considering that, his actions might simply have been him venting anger. But it did seem to come out of nowhere. I don't know, we'll see.

Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"To a cop the explanation's always simple. There's no mystery to the street, no arch criminal behind it all. If you find a body and you think his brother did it, you're gonna find out you're right. " -Verbal ("The Usual Suspects")

You know, here are some thoughts. Spider-man spoilers naturally.

I think that Eddie, in the lastest Spectacular was trying to almost be a hero. In a way he's trying to teach Peter a lesson by making him suffer. But he's kinda got lost along the way by doing it through revenge. (And ill-conceived plans. What the heck was he going to do with Mary Jane? Cause them both to die in a horrible car accident? Turn her against him so that they could take over the galaxy as husband and wife?)

In that regard, the line I commented on (the 'you're twice the man Peter is') makes a bit more sense, but I didn't consider that Eddie was trying to turn Mary Jane against Peter at first. So I suppose Mary Jane is more perceptive than I am.

But enough about that, I have a question that I would like to propose to the room.

There are plenty of good, well-written characters that are teenagers and adults in fiction.

But who would you say is your favourite character that is under the age of let's say... 13, or is the equivalent of under the age of 13 if they are of another species. Basically, who is your favourite character who is a child?

Aldrius

Ever wondered what David Xanatos eats for lunch every day?

Look at this: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080520/tod-uk-usa-hamburger-b7afd8f.html

Now you know.

Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Dave moved in when I was ten. So I already built up a ten year Dad-Callous but Dave was still fresh, soft and pink so I kind of became like Dave's Secret Service. Except I had to protect a really dumb guy from danger. Wow, that's exactly the Secret Service." -Christopher Titus

MV> Vid The Kid and I were going to do one this year, but we got too busy with other stuff.

Maybe next year.

KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

Amen brother.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

The way I see it, we don't have the option to get the spin off comics in color. Sure, it would be nice if we got them that way, but it would be nicer still if we got them in the form of a cartoon every week, and nicer even then that if there were an accompanying toy line. The situation can always get better, but also, it can always get worse. Five years ago if we were told that there might be even a chance of Gargoyles spin off comics, but they'd be black and white, I don't think anyone would have been bothered by it in the slightest. Here we are. We've got the comics, and a color Gargoyles to boot. Let's enjoy them!
David - [souiofangelus at aol dot com]

I don't mind reading BG in B&W. I've gotten used to reading alot of manga, and while I enjoy color when I get it and it's done well, it's not a necessity to me. And for BG, it works. I have no problem if any of the other spinoffs are in black and white if it means we're more likely to get them. I try to look at the positives.
Asatira

Spoon >> I wish I was entering a MV this year. The only problem is I still couldn't find a (simple) way to subtitle in Japanese with an English translation... Though I have found some tutorials on how to do it, they tend to involve more than one program and quite a bit of steps (which seems like a normal thing...especially for those subbing anime). That and school kept me busy...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>O.o)> Umm... Yeah...

The most I've read in terms of comics as a kid were the Garfield Comic Strip collections, thus the B&W never bothered me. Plus, I read Marvel's Essentials and the various mangas, so Bad Guys B&W colors aren't really new to me.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]

Honestly, I don't even really notice the lack of color that much when reading Bad Guys. Maybe the colors are in my head or maybe i'm just used to it, but to me the most important thing is the dialogue, and that is pretty much always in black and white, so b&w is fine by me. I'd rather see Pendragon and Timedancer and the rest in b&w, then not at all.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Interrupting the conversation (as usual) to vent/squee. I'm only a minute into my Gathering Music Video Contest entry, and I've got about four days left to finish it.

Think I'm cutting it close enough to the wire?

On a more legitimate note, anybody else in the chat room planning on entering the MV contest this year? Are you finished? Are you excited? Would you be willing to submit your entries to the Gargoyles Music Video Database as well? If yes, that would just be awesome.

Also, here's hoping we'll get a larger viewing audience this year; I'd hate for everyone to miss out on the chance to see the video editors' hard work.

Spoonvonstup - [Gargoyles Music Video Database-->]

Bluewyvern > I definitely agree with you. I'd love to see all those in color...including Dark Ages, because I'd want to see what colors all those new gargoyles we'll meet are.

Still, it looks like color won't be plausible and a b&w miniseries is still light years ahead of no miniseries at all ;).

Rebel
GOLIATH: I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SHAKESPEAREAN NOW.

Ask Greg is open indefinitely? Awesome. Now the opportunities for people to ask pointlessly inane questions like the capital of Assyria are infinite. But then, so is the opportunity for bitingly sarcastic responses.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I don't know who's more foolish: him for going, you for following, or me for not leaving you both." -Demona ("Long Way to Morning")

bluewyvern> It's pure economics, between the hefty licencing fee and somewhat less then stellar sales, SLG simply can't afford to print the mini-series in colour. If you want Pendragon and the others in colour then feel free to donate a couple million to SLG. And for the record I think the subject material of Dark Ages would be well suited to B&W.
Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

dph> I never gave it any thought before, but now I'm a little unsettled -- why would future spinoffs necessarily be in black and white? I realized I'm perfectly content with a noir-ish b&w Bad Guys, but Pendragon, Dark Ages...<i>Timedancer</i>? Those need to be in full, rich color! Oh, I really hope more color books are possible.
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."

Pity about Gargoyles No. 9 being delayed but at least we're getting more Bad Guys to tide us over. To be honest I'm kind of more exited about Bad Guys then the main book. Not that Gargoyles isn't utterly fantastic mind you, but I feel that Bad Guys will take us to corners of this universe we might not be able to see if we were just following the adventures of Goliath and Co.
Algernon
"Note to self: give naked dictation more often. The ideas seem to flow more freely." -Norman Osborn

Just a heads up: Ask Greg is open and is going to remain open indefinitely.
Gorebash

I have already considered that. In fact, my friend Ryan, who will be attending his first Gathering this year, and I had a long coversation just yesterday about that possibility.

I believe we came to the conclusion that the non-linear organized chaos would be too difficult to work as a Radio Play. I guess you never know though.

Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

I wonder if the Stone of Destiny story will be the Radio Play at the Gathering this year, just as the Double Date story was the Radio Play last year (and Greg will swear everyone to secrecy over the events in #9).
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!

Well then, it looks like we'll be going to the Gathering without knowing how the Stone of Destiny story finishes up...
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

Tenth(10)! And away we go on with the show, hopefully.
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
It's silly. It's a silly movie. There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?- George Lucas on Spider-Man 3

Another status update on the Gargs comic, since there are obviously some questions again. Based on how much was done last time I posted, around the end of April, I had hoped to be done with issue 9, have it approved by Disney, at the printers, and out by June. As of April 25th, that was still possible. As of today, it is not.

There have been a few unforseen delays in the production, so the issue is not quite finished yet. Obviously, it is a bit further behind schedule than hoped. BG4 HAS been completeley finished, as it did not suffer the same delays, so its gone off through approvals and printing and all that, and it will be out first. Issue 9 will go out as soon as possible once it is fully done. On the upside, issue 10 is nearly half drawn already, (and it looks great) so it should come out not too long after issue 9, is the one big upside to the delay.

Robby Bevard

9th.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.

gxb - <Again, I'd say expect Bad Guys #4 before Gargoyles #9> I apologize for seemingly overanalyzing, but are you implying *scratches head carefully to choose words* bg #4 was sent to the Disney approval office a few weeks before gargoyles #9 was? I'm trying to make sense out of what Robby said on April 25th and what you said on May 21st.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?

Again, I'd say expect Bad Guys #4 before Gargoyles #9. Bad Guys #4 is actually finished and, I think, in approvals.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Dave moved in when I was ten. So I already built up a ten year Dad-Callous but Dave was still fresh, soft and pink so I kind of became like Dave's Secret Service. Except I had to protect a really dumb guy from danger. Wow, that's exactly the Secret Service." -Christopher Titus

Matt - <Second in the name of Gargoyles #9 news soon!!!> Without wanting to even sound like I'm making a prediction or being a downer, I honestly don't expect any gargoyles comics to come out this month. I really wouldn't mind being wrong, though. The only gargoyle news that I'm looking forward to hearing this month is news and confirmation that the Disney agreed to renew the license for gargoyle comics with the main series staying in color and the spin-offs being in black & white.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?

7th!
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>O.o)> Umm... Yeah...

6th!
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Fifth!
Spen
"Come along. You belong. Feel the fizz."

4th!
Rebel
GOLIATH: I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SHAKESPEAREAN NOW.

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Second in the name of Gargoyles #9 news soon!!!
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"

1st

Matt - What makes you so sure the vultures are circling?

dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?