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After reading those old treatments for Gargoyles, and that post from Jessie, (a true TL;DR post for sure!) I can't help but wonder about the proposed live action movie, that is NOT " I, Frankenstein" btw, that still is in the planning. Who wants to guess Disney's take on our beloved franchise may try to crib from those early drafts?
Anonymous

According to the Old Farmer's Almanac, today is the anniversary of Cleopatra's Needle being set up in New York City in 1881. Cleopatra's Needle has the distinction of appearing in two back-to-back episodes of "Gargoyles", "The Mirror" (where Demona climbs up it after her fight with Goliath and Elisa in the Metropolitan Museum of Art) and "The Silver Falcon" (where Elisa met Martin Hacker while looking for the abducted Matt).
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

HoE> Put your finger on the V, now move it one key to the left, do the same for the O, M, F and U.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"

I assume Greg is referring to the home row on a standard QWERTY keyboard, but I just did it, and I'm still a little lost.

Anyway, now for the main reason I came out of lurking: am busy planning a trip to Minnesota in July for CONvergence, and was wondering if anyone else in the fandom was looking to split the cost of a hotel room. Shoot me an email if you're planning to attend, and would be interested.

Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"This kangaroo's a lunatic, and his pouch is very full of pussycats and penguins who can't fly as a rule. But then neither can the pussycat. He never went to school." -Ian Anderson

Greg> Yeah, I remembered you pointing that out in the post. You think Vomfu would ever show up in the Gargoyles Universe?

Del> That whole sentence does need to be reworked. It was based on some math crunched years ago, but it might all be moot considering Angela's words in "Phoenix" about never having seen a gargoyle egg before. Of course, she might be making a distinction between a gargoyle egg and a beast egg, but since they look essentially the same, I doubt it. And of course, all that aside, how the time flow on Avalon affects the cycles of gargates is still pretty mysterious. Angela also said that it is always summer on Avalon. Would that affect things? And with the normal 20 year cycles coming every more than once a year on Avalon, who knows what is possible or impossible. Anyway, that sentence should probably be reworked or removed pending more information.

Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"

Wanna know the insidious secret origin of Doctor Vomfu?!

Put your hands on your keyboard. Then move them one key to your left.

Greg Weisman

So I was reading through the Avalon Clan entry on GargWiki and came across the part about the mated pair of beasts on Avalon. It says: "As of 1996, two of the beasts have likely already parented two eggs. Their first pup hatched in 1578 while their second egg laid in 1828 is due to hatch in 2078." Isn't there something a little off with the math here?
If the Avalon Clan hatched in 1058, and a beast can parent its first egg at the age of 30, wouldn't that mean that the first egg of the beast pair would be lain in 1778 and not due to hatch until 2018? That would also mean that the second egg of the beast pair, as well as the first eggs for the Avalon gargoyles, would not be lain until 2258. Which would also mean that the Avalon gargoyles would have no eggs present on Liberty Island when the Space Spawn attack. (All of this is assuming that the Avalon Gargs and Beasts more or less constantly stay on Avalon until 2258.)

Is my reasoning and math right or did I mix something up?

Also, did I use lain and laid correctly? I always seem to mix up lie, lay and their tenses.

Del

Doing some checking of the original development memos Greg posted WAAAAY back, dating back all the way to the original "Gummi Bears with edge" comedy version of the show.

Greg headed up a development team that included Kat Fair and Cindy Chupack, the two of whom wrote up the first early blurbs for characters like "Isa Dora" who would later evolve into "Coco" and after a gender swap, Broadway. Bob Kline, creator of the New Olympians, was also brought in to do some preliminary inspirational artwork, and may have been responsible for briefly making Owen an aardvark.

The original development files relating to the show are actually a pretty interesting look into how the show as we know it today evolved. You can check 'em out here...

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/archives.php?lid=62&rid=303

All the way back when the main villain was going to be THE EVIL DOCTOR VOMFU!!!

Algernon
"This world isn't worth saving, tragedies and sadness will never truly disappear. But even so, it's the place she once tried to protect. I remember that. And I will never ever forget it. That's why... I keep fighting." ~Homura Akemi

Does anyone know if Greg signed his books before they made their way to an Amazon distribution center? My sister order me Bo Burnham's poetry book off of Amazon and it was signed which was a very pleasant surprise.
Anthony Tini

LANDON> << Does that mean Frank is the other "co-creator"? Or is Greg basically the only "co-creator" with the "co-" indicating the team effort?>>

The latter, I don't think Frank was hired until after Eisner bought the show.

Greg Bishansky
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.

Frank Paur has been announced as a guest of honor at CONvergence: http://www.convergence-con.org/2014/02/new-guests-of-honor-announced/ I know Greg is often called a Gargoyles "co-creator". Does that mean Frank is the other "co-creator"? Or is Greg basically the only "co-creator" with the "co-" indicating the team effort?

Also, this interview with Greg was posted to me: http://animesecrets.org/mechacon-ix-2013-exclusive-interview-with-greg-weisman-2/ I haven't had time to watch it yet but it's nice and long.

Landon - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

That we do MD, that we do. For those of you who've never seen Puella Magi Madoka Magica...

WATCH IT!!!

WATCH IT NOW!!!

WATCH IT IN THE NAME OF ALL HUMANITY HAS EVER HELD SACRED!!!

*Ahem.*

That is all.

Algernon
"This world isn't worth saving, tragedies and sadness will never truly disappear. But even so, it's the place she once tried to protect. I remember that. And I will never ever forget it. That's why... I keep fighting." ~Homura Akemi

I'm trying to figure out where they think they are posting that...
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"

Well...okay then.







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Hey Al, we have complementary sigs!

That's pretty neat.

Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"If someone ever tells me it's a mistake to have hope...well then, I'll just tell them they're wrong. And I'll keep telling them until they believe. No matter how many times it takes." - Madoka Kaname

*Looks down*

Um... what?

Algernon
"This world isn't worth saving, tragedies and sadness will never truly disappear. But even so, it's the place she once tried to protect. I remember that. And I will never ever forget it. That's why... I keep fighting." ~Homura Akemi

Prologue: 1095 A.D. The first crusade is about to begin, and while armies on both sides are gathering their forces to prepare for war, men of the church realize that a hidden pursuit of the war is for their enemies to gain the holy grail and use as a weapon against them. Knowing that the secret would be best kept if they sent it to England, the French forces and men of religion call for a wizard. (in the sequel we discover that the wizard is Merlin, for while most people believe that the legend of king arthur is a english myth, it was actually a myth built on the combination of a few legends that came from France-this is actually true and not my creation, King arthur was a legend that was inspired by French medieval stories) The wizard gathers natural elements from the earth, descends into the bottom chambers of Castle Antioch in England, casts a spell and creates the gargoyles.

the story jumps to 1201 A.D. and the fourth crusade has not yet occurred but there is conflict all over Europe. The Knights Templar has been assembled decades earlier to protect travelers on the road to Jerusalem, and the Christian power has spread so far that it has reached the lands of the Danes. Angered at the threat of being conquered, the Danes decide to raid castles and villages in England (this is also based on historical context). They attempt this not just in hopes to cripple their enemy, but also because they've heard whispers that the grail is in Castle Antioch or a neighboring kingdom. Over a hundred years later, the same pursuit for the grail begins again and the Danes seek to invade the Castle, only this time, in the midst of their siege, the sun sets, and the gargoyles awaken. shocked to see their existence is true, the Danish army eventually is repelled and they regroup. While this occurs, the new Pope sends a group of Knights Templar with a Saracen Muslim from France to England to analyze this new threat and access the gargoyles abilities to still protect what they were created to guard over. While this all unfolds, each gargoyle was born with the power over a natural element, be it water, land, earth, air, or fire, and they are named after said element. there are only two gargoyles who were given names by humans, and that is two leaders of two sets of gargoyles: Romulus and Abraham. Romulus however is the central character. when the templars and the saracen arrive, they see that the grail's secrets are safe, and the gargoyles defend it proudly, though they don't tell the templars where it is. the action in the story rises and eventually results in a long drawn out battle between the Danes and their wizards, against the English forces from the Wenmark, the gargoyles and the Knights Templar. The Wenmark win and it appears that the Danes have been crushed, but soon after Romulus returns home with his soldiers, his castle gets sacked while he is away. The people of Antioch were betrayed by the Princess's wizard and trusted advisor, Vackel, but it turned out that Vackel was more than what he seemed. Romulus, with six other gargoyles still left alive under his command, follow the Danes, find their camp and come face to face with Vackel, but quickly they discover that Vackel never existed, but instead the wizard had always been Rumplestilskin. It turns out that Rumplestilksin was Merlin's last pupil, but Merlin forsook him, labeling him as a product of pure evil. Acquiring the help of the Danes was just a plot for Rumple to overcome the gargoyles, spurn his old teacher, and find the grail to use for his own benefit. The conflict culminates where Romulus uses his powers over fire to overwhelm Rumple's magic, but right as Romulus thinks he's obtained victory, Rumple rises into the sky, and transforms into an incredibly large and terrifying dragon. he flies back down and the gargoyles stand there, waiting to give him one last stand.
Then blackout.

As you can see, I decided to use Rumplestilskin as the villain as opposed to the creator of the gargoyles as you mentioned for a few reasons. 1) Reading his fairytale, he was always depicted as a villain and even in the show once upon a time, though he's had his good moments, he was also a villain who even almost killed his own grandson because he was a threat, And before once upon a time, there was a movie called Rumplestilskin and it was a bit of a horror flick where Rumple was terrifying. He has literally become iconic as a villain, and i have a saying 'you can mess with a myth all you want, as long as you don't mess with it in the wrong type of way'. By making rumple the creator of the gargoyles, either we'd have to make him good in some substantial way, and ruin the character or we'd keep him evil and have to spend too much time explaining how gargoyles are good despite their origins. we would literally taint the gargoyles when maybe the need to stay this constant symbol of good. Does that make sense? And by making the villain Rumplestilskin at the end, it's a great twist, it will completely separate people's perception of this story from gargoyles. It will help them see that this is a different take on the myth completely and the ending is a powerful cliff hanger that is worthy of Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit movies. I promise you it is a damn good ending.

as for the point of the script, the moral is that whether a being be Christian, muslim, danish, or even just between human, animal, or gargoyle, what is good is good, and it should never stop fighting.

[Property of Jesse Daner and Courtney Mitchel]

Jesse - [echoathleticsCA at gmail dot com]

SW Rebel fans, you watch the Meet Ezra and Meet Kanan videos? Greg is in both of them. There are also two new teasers called Ignite and Spark. I wonder if Greg was involved in creating them.

http://www.youtube.com/user/starwars/videos

Anthony Tini

10.

I hope that those who attended Gallifrey One this weekend (including the special "Young Justice" event that Greg Weisman was present at - kind of appropriate for a "Doctor Who" convention in light of the TARDIS's cameo in one of the later Season One episodes) had a good time. I only glanced at Greg's post on the event at "Ask Greg" until this morning, and was excited to learn that it would also feature art from the proposed-but-never-made animated series version of "Rain of the Ghosts" from back in the late 90's. (I also paid a brief visit to Gallifrey One's web-site itself, following the link, and had some fun testing myself on how many of the guests' names I could recognize and what their role in "Doctor Who" was.)

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

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Comet
Double, double, toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble.

The one that is EIGHT and stuffs!
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"If someone ever tells me it's a mistake to have hope...well then, I'll just tell them they're wrong. And I'll keep telling them until they believe. No matter how many times it takes." - Madoka Kaname

Sleven!
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~~C.S. Lewis

SIXTH!!
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I did it! I watched all 485 Best picture nominees in 365 days!

5!
Matthew
I have nothing more to say...So why am I still talking?

4!
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"

3!
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

2!
D. Taina
"The story is told -- though who can say if it be true..." -Shari

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Anthony Tini