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Matthew> I've checked it out and am interested where it's going. Tartakovsky said this is the show he's wanted to make for years and his previous projects were practice.
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Anyone else watching Tartakovsky's Unicorn: Warriors Eternal? It's pretty well done and even with only three episodes is up there with some of his previous projects.
Matthew
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!

During 971, the ggs in the Wyvern Rookery are those that will hatch into Bronx, True, and Kermit among others. Wouldn't it be hilarious if Hudson mentioned checking on the eggs and all that to contrast with his line in 1997 about leaving the eggs to themselves? Ha. Random thought.
Matt

Great discussion xD
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Having "Once Upon A Time There Were Three Brothers" in print sounds appealing to me; I'd enjoyed it and its medieval setting (with such details as the three brothers' father having a royal burial at Iona). One more reason to welcome "Dark Ages".
Todd Jensen

Read an interview where Greg pretty much confirms that the prose added to Dark Ages 1 will be the human event backstory leading up to 971 (aka Three Brothers). That'll be fun to have as canon and will be a nice piece of prologue to start the origin story. Reminds me a bit of the opening scroll of the Star Wars saga. Cool stuff.
Matt

Let's hope it re-inserts the lost speech balloons from #2.
Todd Jensen

I remember Previewsworld mentioned something vague about multiple covers a couple weeks back, but this article from yesterday went into more detail, and with videos too :)

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/youtube-tiktok-trailers-for-disneys-gargoyles-here-in-manhattan/

Thanks for the heads up, Matt -- I just preordered mine!

Phoenician
Gus: "I always forget you're there." Hooty: "I forget I'm here toooooo."

Matt> Yes, that was announced a week or two ago.
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Saw an article online last night that said Gargoyles 1-6 will be collected in a trade and out in July! Hardcover, softcover, and signed by Greg Weisman are options! That's awesome.

Did we already know about this? I might've missed it.

Matt

B - Yes, I thought of that story as well when pondering that item.
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Todd Jensen> It'll be the Colour from Outer Space! ;)
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B - Glad you liked the poem. Incidentally, your posts on the passing of cats reminded me that by now (2023) in the Gargoyles Universe, Cagney will have passed on. But the comics won't be reaching that for a long time, at least - and he'll live on in our memories, the animated episodes that featured him, and as one of the accessories to the upcoming NECA Elisa action figure.

I'm looking forward to "Hailey's On It" (pity that it'll be premiering on Thursday evening, opposite "MIdsomer Murders" on the local PBS station, but I can catch the reruns). My favorite item on her list of things to do (that we've seen as yet in the teasers) is "invent a new color"; I'd like to see how she'll manage that (assuming it'll be one of the achievements that gets an episode and won't be an off-stage feat - admittedly, the new color itself will have to be off-stage, in a "take our word for it" style).

Todd Jensen

Matthew> Yes, Calix seemed to me like the worst choice because he had only been a planeswalker for a hot minute and we hadn't gotten any story content with him yet. Aside from his actual planeswalker card, his whole existence came from an article on the website, not even a story, without which we wouldn't know why he was there. Only de-sparking Quintorius right after he sparked in the previous set would have been worse. Tyvar and Samut hadn't gotten to do much with their planeswalker status yet, either. For the Wanderer, on the other hand, de-sparking would have solved her problems of not being able to stay on one plane and Kamigawa suffering in her absence. We may still see that she de-sparked in a future set.

Looking forward to the Doctor Who set later this year!

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Matthew> I thought I'd be on the safe side. Also, it made the review parts easy to identify.
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B> "Hailey's On It does look like it might fill the Amphibia/Owl House void in the future."

Plus The Ghost and Molly McGee, along with Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur:-D.

Antiyonder

B> Oh I see. Though, now that I think about it, Ikoria is pretty much based around survival of the fittest (and big frikkin' kaijus). And while desparked Planeswalkers is a neat idea I think several of the ones chosen were the wrong picks, like Calix.

Oh, and since more than a week has passed since the comic's release you don't need to put things in spoilers.

Matthew
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!

Brainiac> Was it Season 1 or 2? Season 2 was when Jensen Ackles was a regular.
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B> I've seen some of it. Never watched the entire series.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Matthew> No Titan Trappers yet.
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I saw a handful of episodes of Dark Angel when it was airing. I remember one episode where someone was tricked into giving up the names of all the super-kids, so Eyes Only sent out a city-wide message telling them that their cover was blown and they needed to disappear ASAP. I've thought about going back and watching the whole show.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]

Brainiac> That's funny, heh. I was wondering, because you mentioned transgenics before, if you've seen the TV series Dark Angel?

It's nice of that shop to do that.

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...and of course I post before noticing B's callout. No, you did not summon me.

Heh.

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Almost forgot to post this here. There was an interesting extra stack available at one of the shops I visited for FCBD...about 50 copies of Gargoyles #1, Cover A. Gonna check with the shop on Tuesday to see how far down the stack got (it was still more than 40 by the time I left).

If there are any leftovers, I can check if I can snag some more for folks who didn't get that copy. Shipping costs should be less than $5. Let me know if you want me to check for you.

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Thank you, everyone, for your well wishes after Misty's passing. Mom looked after her very closely these past two years, but she was still eating, walking and making her presence known and this was sudden, so it was a big shock to us all. I'm sorry to hear that you got bad news, Craig. This has made me think more about the mortality of my other cats and my parents.

Babylon 5 is one of the best TV series ever made, one of a few along with Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Gargoyles or Avatar: The Last Airbender that deserves the name "television masterpiece". I refer to Babylon 5, Buffy and (modern) Battlestar Galactica as the Three Big Bs. I have to reinforce Phoenician's "From what I have watched, I can't recommend it enough.". Anyone who hasn't checked it out yet, you'll be very glad you did.

I have the whole series of B5 and all movies and spinoffs on DVD. My mother has very high standards for TV, but along with Buffy/Angel it's one of our favorite franchises to rewatch together. She often says she'd like to live on the space station. It was too bad when the spinoff The Legend of the Rangers didn't go beyond a pilot thanks to some genius scheduling it to air on the night of the Superbowl; on my birthday (which I share with the character Buffy Summers), ironically.

The content is a perfect mix of exciting, entertaining, funny, meaningful, philosophical and introspective, and the way that events develop in EarthGov over the course of the first two seasons until it comes to a boil are, let's just say, politically prophetic (if Trump could have gotten away with everything the Clark regime did, he would have).

Best of all, the characters are likable, even when they're imperfect or, in some cases, being doomed Shakespearean tragic hero-villains whom you can see boxing themselves in. My mother always says how important it is for there to be people in a show that you actually like.

Although Star Trek: Deep Space Nine premiered before Babylon 5, it's pretty much a certainty that Paramount took heavy inspiration for DS9 from the B5 pitch that the Babylon 5 showrunner J. Michael Straczynski made to them that they turned down. He had a series of good luck over the years that almost didn't materialize many times; getting the show made and actually fulfilling his vision of a five-season arc. Probably wouldn't have happened in today's TV ecosystem.

Also, a shout out to the musical score, by German composer Christophe Franke (whose band Tangerine Dream scored the American version of the 1985 fantasy film Legend). I have all the episodic soundtracks that have been released.

Matthew> I was referring to a hypothetical Green-Black deck built around the idea of survival of the fittest because those are the two colors that have that mentality, not a pre-existing faction. Speaking of Magic: The Gathering, I'm not that enthused about the majority of Planeswalkers losing their sparks (thankfully not all of them), but I am very excited about the omenpaths left behind by the Invasion Tree connecting the planes so that everyone can travel between them now (if they can find a portal), and the fact the creators said they're making new sets that are based on this premise. As I've said, I love crossovers and seeing the different genres of Magic's planes collide. That's what I was hoping for after March of the Machine. I hope this new status quo continues for a long time and isn't undone.

Phoenician, Craig> I'm glad Dark Ages will be in color, because the black-and-white in Bad Guys was inhibiting. Do you have a link to JEB's ConJournal that talks about Dream? I still don't know anything about the premise.

Ed> [SPOILER] I'm glad that we guessed right and chatting with Amp is what's had Lex so occupied, but the facts that we didn't see the other side of their chat and that Lex had to remind Amp about the time zone in Britain make me nervous that someone might be impersonating him. I hope not.

I doubt the guard has given it much thought. He just likes beating on Goliath. What makes you think Tony and Tomas don't overhear Goliath and Elisa's conversations? What's interesting is that Elisa doesn't tell the other gargoyles not to break the law by springing Goliath, she only raises that it would be physically difficult to storm the prison. An indicator that her loyalties lie more with Goliath than the police here.

That would be Esperanza Sanchez. As we saw in previous issues, Huracan and Rosaria's last name is Sanchez, as Jimmy and Yingpei both reiterate on the other side of the split page. Jimmy may not be a Choi, Yingpei only refers to Pete as her nephew on the page and not Jimmy as her nephew or son. So far. So he may just be a friend/employee. Funny that Huracan and Yingpei both thought warning the kids would be enough and that they wouldn't dare disobey them; have they met teenagers? Have they read any romance story ever? Not to mention that they don't notice the sweat on Rosaria and Pete's faces that's drawn so clearly visible to the reader to indicate they're being forced to pose as hostage takers for each other.

The 'it's better if I'm there' argument is all well and good, but Matt had better actually do something with it. What's annoying is that the helicopters from this mysterious benefactor are unmarked and don't have the NYPD shield on them that Goliath would have recognized. (Come to think of it, is police using unmarked vehicles en masse that way even legal?)

My assumption was that Crest knows Goliath's reading habits because they've met in prison offscreen, but it may be not. Either Elisa or Halcyon could fill him in on that information, too. Still no one on the gargoyles' side has mentioned that kidnappers got away with abducting kids because of the Task Force's intervention.

The question is how often in his time-dancer adventures Brooklyn has had to command a group of people on an operation and why. Despite he himself or his small family group being the only one/s to travel. Guy must be keeping a lot of difficult secrets. It's a wonder one of the rogues gallery doesn't come after him to extract his brain knowledge. We also don't know exactly how much of 2198 he's present for.

It's interesting that Goliath decides to stay after Tomas and Tony make that jab about the law, but I don't think it's that fair a point given that gargoyles didn't create the system in the first place that's now being imposed on them.

I hope there's a literal dragon in the offing!

Interesting point about Taro. He was teased a couple times in Bad Guys, so he might well come back in that series if not in the main one.

Yes, grade school children in every state in America stand, face the flag hanging in the corner of the classroom, and recite the pledge of allegiance along with the voice on the speaker during morning period every school day in real life. I remember it well (I had kindergarten in America, what Americans would call elementary school years at William "Braveheart" Wallace's alma mater Dundee High School in Scotland, and then back to America for middle school and high school). It doesn't continue into college, though. [/SPOILER]


Antiyonder> Hailey's On It does look like it might fill the Amphibia/Owl House void in the future. And Unicorn: Warriors Eternal might fill the Steven Universe/Infinity Train void. Thanks again for introducing us to the Moring Mark ongoing Owl House strips on Tumblr; I've been reading them for pleasure recently.

Todd Jensen> Thanks for another lovely poem! And I always appreciate Classical Mythology references. [SPOILER] "Lefty" sounds like either an out of-universe nickname for a gargoyle or gargoyle beast, or an actual nickname for a human who's a street rat type. [/SPOILER] A Demona unreliable narration in one of the future issues would not surprise me.

I notice that Brainiac (the user, not the character) hasn't shown up in a while. Which reminds me; I like the RWBY * Justice League animated movie (Part One was released a few days ago, with a second movie to follow), but the thing that would make it even better is if it were a Young Justice crossover.

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Last week, I saw a documentary on bird songs. One of the bird songs covered was of a male bird in Hawaii, in the 1980's, singing to attract a mate. Unfortunately, its species was almost extinct by that time (it's now extinct), and the evidence points to all the females of its species being gone by the time that that bird was singing, though it was obviously unaware of that while singing, unaware that it wouldn't receive an answer.

I wonder what the Manhattan clan's response would have been to that event if they'd learned about it in their early days after awakening, when it seemed as if the only female gargoyle left was Demona, who was definitely estranged from them.

Todd Jensen

Antiyonder> Something I meant ask, has MoringMark done any comics on the Titan Trappers? That's a little plot point that kind of got lost in shuffle with the shortened third season.
Matthew
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!