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Ed writes...

In the Mab/Oberon war, surely whoever was on Avalon would have something of a disadvantage in terms of preparation time. I mean, any enemy that invaded would have twenty-four times the length of the time to prepare. Would this have been important in the war?

Greg responds...

Not if they're both on Avalon. Or both not.

Response recorded on September 21, 2000

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Matthew writes...

What would have happened to Puck if he broke the rules and simply taken the Pheonix Gate?

Greg responds...

He couldn't. It's not just a rule. It's Oberon's Law.

Response recorded on September 16, 2000

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OnyxStar writes...

This is kind of off-topic, but I learned something interesting in Chemistry class yesterday that I thought might be worth sharing, especially since there have been some questions about Children of Oberon and resistance to Oberon.
It seems that the word "iron" comes from Greek (or was it Latin?) meaning "metal from heaven," because iron is often found in great quantities in meteors. As the fae were generally seen as an abomination from a religious viewpoint, such metal from heaven was a way to hurt them.
Just a general observation I thought might be interesting. Especially if "maza" does indeed mean iron. Hmm...

Greg responds...

Thanks. Interesting...

Response recorded on September 16, 2000

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Nemi writes...

*Sigh*

Don't get me wrong, I like Oberon, hell, he's one of my favorite characters, right up there with Puck, Titania, and Xanatos.

I, and most of the people I hang around with, have a tendancy to torture/ridicule/act like we don't like the charcters we love.

For instance, Nabiki GMYW is a close friend of mine, and I happen to know that Puck is one of, if not her favorite character. However, in her fan fics she makes his life a living hell.

Just because Oberon has bad fahion sence and is an insentsitive imature jerk doesn't mean he hasn't lived for an extreamly long time. he's wise, he learns from his own mistakes (hasn't visted the Xanatos's now, has he?) and he can most likely learn from the mistakes of others as well.

He also has to have some sort of soft spot deep under that thick blue hide of his, or at least something aproching decentcy. He simply doesn't have the air time nor the reason to show it.

*Shrugs*

But that's just the way I feel.

Anyways, on to the questions.

Does Iron occure naturaly on Avalon?

Except to the fey is it a poison to the things that live there?

And does the fact that iron is bad for the fey have anything, anything at all to do with the fact that it is the last thing a sun produces before it dies and goes nova/turns into a nutron star?

-Nemi, who salutes Gore Because she knows she would have a hard time picking out what's a legimit question and what's an Idea masqurading as a question

Greg responds...

No.

Depends what you're talking about.

Hmmm... Maybe.

By the way, I think your analysis of Oberon's kinda cool.

Response recorded on September 14, 2000

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Aris Katsaris writes...

Does Nimue know who her mortal parents were? (Yeah, yeah, we've all guessed it was Nimue :-)

Does Morgana know that she's not the biological child of her parents?
Which Oberati did the exchange? And for what reason?

Greg responds...

I don't want to answer this now.

Response recorded on September 14, 2000

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Matthew Smith writes...

At the end of "Mark Of The Panther" was that little spider scurrying away Anansi making an unnoticible escape, or was it just any other spider?

Greg responds...

Anansi.

Response recorded on September 13, 2000

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Demona Taina writes...

Oops! I spelled Antarctica wrong. My bad. :) [kicks evil typo]

And, well, while I'm at it, let me ask you this. Could Oberon ever punish somebody if he had a very good reason?

If the person he wishes to punish is mortal, can he punish him? Or does his law prevent him from messing with the lives of mortals?

Thank you for your time. :)

Greg responds...

If he can come up with an excuse to bend his law he can do it.

Response recorded on September 13, 2000

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Todd Jensen writes...

How did the Banshee get around Oberon's non-intervention edict when she kidnapped Goliath, Elisa, and Angela, and took them to Cairn na Culainn for interrogation?

Greg responds...

Her excuse was she thought they were agents of Oberon. The scent of Avalon was upon them, so she thought she wasn't interfering with mortals. Just with Oberon. Of course, she did this at her own peril. But there was nothing magical preventing her from doing it.

Response recorded on September 09, 2000

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Aris Katsaris writes...

To Duncan Devlin who said: "I don't quite understand the response. From my experience, not ALL things are true."

Let me just paraphrase a sentence of Terry Pratchett: "All things are true, for a given value of 'true' "

Greg responds...

Yeah. Exactly.

By the way, thanks for reading the questions. It's very refreshing.

Who's Terry Pratchett?

Response recorded on September 09, 2000

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Sixshot writes...

How does Hydras, Dragons, Harpies, Cerberus and all other mythological animals/creatures fit in the three races?

Greg responds...

Some may have been Children of Oberon (or Mab). Others may have been New Olympians or the like. That is half-breeds. Some may have been exagerations of something else all together.

Response recorded on September 06, 2000

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Emmlei writes...

In response to LSZ's many posts: i think what she wants to know is what some of the Faes' personify. Like how the Greek Olympians each personified (though how well is up for grabs) various attributes or crafts; Athena personified wisdom and defensive warfare, Ares war, Appollo truth and the arts. In the Garg's universe, Anubis clearly personifies death.
LSZ, you can correct me if i'm wrong, but i think that's what she means.

Greg responds...

I thought that too at first, but then some of LSZ's questions didn't seem to fit that idea. Anyway, I'm not going to run down a list of every mythological being and list "affiliations" or "connections" or whatever it is we're talking about. Use common sense and do a bit of research and nine times out of ten, you'll get the answer without me.

Response recorded on September 02, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Ok, first of all; most of the Gargoyles villains can be counted as amorals(like Xanatos), grays(Macbeth), insane-sufferers(Demona), and genuinely evil/malicious and remorseless folks like Proteus and perhaps Jackal and Hyena.

All of them can be, to some extent, perhaps with the exception of Macbeth, considered evil or selfishly uncaring. Still, Oberon cannot be considered evil; he is horribly arrogant, but he has his own sense of nobility.

But is Mab evil? Is she Chaos in the dark trickster manner of Raven and presumably Loki? Is she just a more petty version of Oberon? Is she genuinely malicious and nasty ala Hakon and Proteus? Is she gray-but-still-dark like Duval?

So what is Mab?

1) What is her moral worth in comparison to Oberon?
2) What is she compared to the other Gargoyles villain-types?

Greg responds...

She's MAD, I tell you, MAD, MAD! BWAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAAAA

1. LSZ, haven't you learned by now that I REFUSE to QUANTIFY stuff for you?
2. See above.

Response recorded on September 02, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) Did Oberon have any help in defeating Mab?
2) Did Oberon use trickery?

Greg responds...

1. Yes.

2. Some.

Response recorded on September 02, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Hmm. Ok, good answer to the iron question, I'll admit. Still, is there any Fae Science in a Gargoyle-Science-esque answer on why iron harms the fae?

Greg responds...

I'm not sure I understand the question.

You looking for chemical reactions?

Response recorded on September 02, 2000

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LSZ writes...

If the humans of (time of Future Gargoyle series) know 'a lot' about the origins of the New Olympians, do they know that the fae are real?

Greg responds...

Largely, no.

But again, I'd prefer if everyone held off asking anymore questions about what WAS Gargoyles 2158 until I make the announcement regarding it's revamping. Watch for it at this site.

Response recorded on September 02, 2000

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Todd Jensen writes...

I thought that I'd give my own comments here on the Weird Sisters as portrayed in "City of Stone" and "Avalon".

My own reason for being bothered by the change in the Sisters' portrayal between these two stories wasn't based on the fact that in "Avalon" they were working for the Archmage. What bothered me rather was the apparent change in their moral character. In "City of Stone", they talk about how revenge is wrong and every life is precious. In "Avalon", they're vengeful and consider the lives of mortals meaningless, and display this attitude even before they meet the Archmage, when they try to turn the humans into owls. They underwent what looked almost like a 180 degree turn around that I found difficult to comprehend.

The best that I could come up with as an explanation was that in "City of Stone", they didn't want Macbeth and Demona to kill each other since they needed them for the assault on Avalon, and were just doing the usual "villain speaking of virtue to achieve his or her own goals" (kind of like Shakespeare's Iago telling Othello to beware of jealousy even while secretly and deliberately sowing the seeds of jealousy in him). But while I could accept that with the simple overall statements, I found it hard to apply that to the questions that they were putting to Macbeth and Demona at the end of "City of Stone Part Four". The insight that they showed in the lives of Demona and Macbeth in speaking those questions seems to me something that one just can't fake, that would be beyond the abilities of mere clever hypocrites. That's the big reason why I have a problem with reconciling the Sisters' behavior in the different episodes.

Greg responds...

Sure, but as I've said before, there are wheels within wheels, particularly with the Sisters who represent a lot of triple goddesses and have different aspects.

Remember: All things are true.

They are hypocrites.

But it's also not that simple.

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Todd Jensen writes...

A question about Odin's quest to regain his eye in "Eye of the Storm"? Wouldn't this be, technically, a reneging on his deal with Mimir? After all, Odin did voluntarily surrender the eye for a drink from Mimir's well, so that would mean that it was no longer his property, that he had signed it away. (Of course, Mimir probably is no longer in a position to protest this, given that you've indicated in the past here that his beheading by the Vanir took place in the Gargoyles Universe, but I can't help wondering about this issue anyway).

Greg responds...

Mimir's long gone. Think of it as salvage. With Odin having a better claim than most, wouldn't you say?

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Alex "Cyclonus" Bishansky writes...

You mentioned that Oberon's power class is Power, and Anubus and the Banshee are connected to Death and Mab Power and Chaos.

Are there any other classes that Fay are connected to that you can state.

Greg responds...

Oh, is that what all that "connectivity" stuff was that LSZ was talking about?

But I can't believe I said "Oberon's power class is Power." Power class is power. That sounds like gibberish to me.

Anyway, I have no desire to go through a list of all the Children that we know and "Classify" them. Most of them are fairly clear anyway.

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) Do immortality spells ala Demona and Macbeth's work on other fae?
2) How do the Death-gods in general view immortality?
3) How does Anubis in particular view immortality?

Greg responds...

1. Huh?
2. I don't know how to answer this question.
3. In what sense?

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Why haven't any fae ever gone to space before? Don't they have curiousity about what's out there?

Greg responds...

Why haven't you gone? Aren't you curious?

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) What happens when one Death-god is destroyed?
2) You said the spell in GRIEF put Death itself into stasis; did this apply only to Earth or to the entire universe?
3) Since you said that if all the Death-gods were destroyed, something or other will arise to take their place..this seems to imply that the Death-gods are very neccessary to the running of the universe..well, at least Earth's area. So what were things like BEFORE the fae evolved? What entity or entities had a connection to the process of Death then? Was the act of dying any different pre-fae?

Greg responds...

1. Depends.
2. Earth.
3. Not substantially.

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Vasy writes...

1.What did titania whisper into fox's ear at he end of the gathering part2
2.who rules after oberon
3. is fox the next queen of avalon
4. does titania know who the ruler of avalon will be after oberon's demise.
5. when does titania die.
6. how does titania die
7. does alexander, xanatos's child, ever become ruler of avalon.
8.odin is king of the gods in norse myth, and oberon is king in hte scottish/irish myth...so why does oberon ruler over odin?
9.how did oberon dfeat mab
10. why did oberon battle mab
11. who is merlin's mother, i know she is human, but who she
12. did merlin's mom know she had a son to oberon, or didn't oberon tell her
13. does foxes, dad...i say foxes dad because i dont know how to spell his name, well does he know that foxes mom is titania?
14. when oberon made everyone sleep in gathering part 1 and 2, why is foxes dad and vogel not asleep? was this titania's doing

Greg responds...

1. Do you think they'll be wondering about this in Ask Greg four years from now?
2. Who says there is an after?
3. Who says there is a next?
4. Who says there's a demise?
5. Who says she does?
6. See 5.
7. No.
8. You're premise is incorrect. Oberon is not king of the gods in Scotish/Irish myth. He's king of the fair folk. There's a difference.
9. That's an epic story.
10. That's part of the above mentioned epic story.
11. A welsh noblewoman.
12. Huh?
13. Yes. Which doesn't mean he's dealt with it.
14. No. Renard and Vogel put an energy field around the bridge of Fortress-II similar to the field that surrounded the Eyrie.

You know it occurs to me that these questions covered multiple unrelated topics. That's a no-no. Next time I'll get tough on you.

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Vasy writes...

1.What is the total plan of the wierd sisters for macbeth and demona?

2. Does titania know what the wierd sisters do?

Greg responds...

1. Please don't ask questions that would require novel-length responses. This isn't the format for that.

2. What do you mean?

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Vasy writes...

The fae weren't exisiting during the dinosaurs
1. when did they start to exist
2.how did they come to exist

Greg responds...

1. Upon Earth's creation -- to answer your question literally.

2. How does anything?

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Vasy writes...

1. if a human killed oberon, does he become ruler of the third race
2. who kills oberon
3. how does oberon die

Greg responds...

1. No.
2. What do you mean?
3. Who says he does?

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Haplo FD writes...

1. I know this queston has been touched upon before but I was wondering how was it that the ringing of an iron bell could bring Oberon to his knees and almost kill him (even after he had been given back his full powers) and yet the iron harpoon in the chest couldn't hack it?
2. Also, near the end of that episode, Oberon was severely drained of his power (with the old man visage), but then for no apparent reason returns to his normal self. What happened which enabled him to return to his usual self?

Thanks. I appreciate any answers given.

Greg responds...

1. One attacked his corporeal form. Which was injured, but he was given TIME (while Puck droned on) to recover. The bell made a more direct attack to his nervous system. Preventing him from recovering, had they kept ringing it. You'll notice that once they stopped ringing it, he recovered very quickly. Whereas once he removed the harpoon, it still took minutes for him to regain his normal form.
2. He had time and the power to heal.

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Aris Katsaris writes...

Why changelings? I mean: why would fay exchange their children for human ones? I am not sure it was ever that clear in the real myths but what's the reason in the Gargoyles universe?

Greg responds...

Everything is case-by case. There isn't one answer.

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Todd Jensen writes...

After reading LSZ's comments on the use of Norse mythology in "Gargoyles" (particularly with Odin) and your responses to them, I thought that I'd weigh in with my own thoughts on Odin as portrayed in the Gargoyles Universe.

As something of a Norse mythology buff (and, like you, I very much enjoyed the d'Aulaire book which was my big introduction to the Norse myths), I enjoyed Odin's showing up in "Gargoyles". The one detail that bothered me in "Eye of the Storm", though, I confess, was when both Odin and Goliath in his "Eye of Odin" form were wearing horned helmets. This was because I'd read that the Vikings never actually wore those kinds of helmets, and, even more significantly, Hakon and his Vikings in "Awakening" weren't portrayed as wearing horned helmets but the sort of outfits that Vikings wore in actual history. So I felt a bit disturbed by the horned helmets in "Eye of the Storm", on the grounds of "They know better, because of how they drew Hakon and his followers."

Admittedly, since Odin and the "Odinized" Goliath weren't human flesh-and-blood Norsemen like Hakon, but fantasy beings, maybe the horned helmet concept does work for them, in that their appearance would be reflecting the popular imagination view of Vikings.

Greg responds...

Well, I suppose you're right. But maybe that's where the popular concept of horned helmets camed from. Not from the actual vikings, but from the Norse "gods" themselves. Or, heck, maybe from horned Gargoyles, for that matter.

I also won't deny that our Odin was uncomfortably Kirbyesque. Don't get me wrong, I like the design, and I wouldn't change it now. But I wish we had done something a little more original. I guess I didn't mind so much because he spent half his time as a Polar Bear or as an Old Man with that cool cloak.

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Entity writes...

Hi Greg,

A belated personal reaction to THE MIRROR. In the past, you've seemed curious as to how things came off to us. Did we get the implication here, or did we correctly interpret there. Well, here's something that really threw me initially. When Goliath describes the Third Race, he uses a lot of different nouns and adjectives. At first, I thought this new "Third Race" was going to be a contrived method of stuffing all other creatures of myth and fantasy into the series, in addition to the gargoyles, without having to give each one a unique background and history. In this way, you could bring in a unicorn, a minatour, an elf or an ogre, and you wouldn't have to justify them existing as individual species like the gargs, because they're conveniently blanket-labelled as the "Third Race." In short, I thought Goliath was describing a people more akin to the New Olympians, a collective, rather than a coherent species. Elisa's response was most responsible for cementing my conclusion, when she said, "Shapeshifters, elves, fairies, you mean they're real?" It sounds a lot like Elisa's interpretation of Goliath's speech was the same as mine.

As you could imagine, I felt quite betrayed and outraged. To forge such a unique, well-shaped universe and then just lazilly toss in everything else as if you said, "Well, on second thought..."

This wasn't the case, and the Third Race wound up being a wonderful addition to the series. But it took me a while to realize that. :)

Greg responds...

On the other hand, it kinda was the case... We just executed it better than you thought we would.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Do the smith-gods of various pantheons possess the iron-resistance?

Greg responds...

I don't think so. (It's not like a super-power, o.k.?)

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Does Oberon's father share his iron-resistance?

Greg responds...

I don't know much about dear old dad yet.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Did any of the fae who got worshipped actually believe they were gods?

Greg responds...

Probably.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) Are there any faelike beings out there in space then, if such evolution on other worlds is possible?
2) Are any evolutionary processes to start such beings beginning or halfway through or in the final stages off-Earth?
3) Are any of the three races in the Space-Spawn War on similar evolutionary lines to the fae?

Greg responds...

1. Technically, fae are earth natives. I'm not ruling out the possibility of fae-like beings in space. Anymore than I'm ruling out the possibility of humanoids in space. But you get the idea...

2. See 1.

3. No.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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Aris Katsaris writes...

As a comment to one of LSZ's posts> I'm not that certain that Ra would be the leader of the Egyptian pantheon - I think that in the myths the leadership seems to have passed from Ra to Osiris and finally to Horus the Younger when Osiris was murdered...

Greg responds...

I'm not gonna comment on that now.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Who's the fae nearest in power to Titania, not counting fae more powerful than she is in raw force(Oberon, Mab)?

Greg responds...

I'm not big at quantifying things. (Haven't you and I established that in the past?)

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Are the fae leaders of the pantheons(Odin, Ra, Zeus) etc always the most powerful of that group?

Greg responds...

Generally.

Yea! I got one!

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Did Ragnarok occur or was even part of the Oberon-Mab war?

Greg responds...

Is this one question or two?

I apologize, LSZ, but you have a real knack for asking questions that I just don't get.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

I think this was also lost in the queue, so

1) What would happen to Oberon when Mab returns?
2) Would Mab be around by 2158?
3) What would happen to Mab by 2158?
4) At what level of maturity would Oberon and Titania's children be by 2158?

Greg responds...

1. He will not go quietly.

2. Can't say.

3. Can't say.

4. Can't say.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Just what is it that makes Mab and Oberon so powerful?

Greg responds...

Magic.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Are any fae connected to bacteria or any other micro-organisms?

Greg responds...

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Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) Were the heads of various pantheons(Odin, Ra, etc) also connected to the ruling class?
2) What were Thor and Loki connected to?
3) What connection is there between Titania and the Titans?

Greg responds...

Somebody stop this person, please...

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

another silly question, but..are any fae connected to iron?

Greg responds...

They don't much care for iron.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

This is probably a silly question, but are there any single entities in the universe more powerful than Mab?

Greg responds...

Probably. No matter how big you are there's always someone bigger.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Are any fae connected to gravity?
2) To science?
3) To one race or type of human or gargoyle?

Greg responds...

1. What does that mean?

2. Huh?

3. O.K. I didn't get this question four posts ago.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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KW Keller writes...

Oberon's Children questions (maybe):

1. Are beings such as gnomes, leprechauns, brownies, etc. fay? If so, why is there such a difference in power between them and someone like Odin?

2. Are djinn/jinn/genies (or however one prefers to spell it) members of the third race?

3. We know there have been human/fay hybrids produced in the Gargoyles Universe, but have any gargoyle/fay hybrids ever been produced?

Greg responds...

1. Why does Tiger Woods play golf better than the rest of the planet?
2. Sure.
3. Maybe.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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Abigail Thorne writes...

During the World Tour, Goliath and Co. ran into many members of the Third Race and screwed up their plans. Did Oberon find about about that? I was just trying to figure out if he'd find it amusing or if he'd be irritated. From his point of view, the gargoyles had already invaded his island--now these four puny mortals were besting his powerful children? I don't think he'd take that lightly, but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think?

Greg responds...

I don't think anyone went into very specific details. Kinda embarrassing, and runs the risk that Oberon might say: "Were you breaking my non-interference edict?"

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) Is it possible for a fae to have a connection to a single or at least a type of species?
2) If so, is Anansi connected to spiders?
3) Raven ravens?
4) Coyote coyotes?
5) Finally, is it possible and are there any fae that are connected to gargoyles or humans as a species?

Greg responds...

ugh

But wait! This sounds like it makes sense.

1. I'm not sure I get it but i think the answer is yes.

2. Yes, obviously.

3. YES!

4. YES!

5. That isn't the idea. Spiders are Anansi's familiars. You don't usually recruit familiars from sentient species. Those are called apprentices or flunkies.

There! Did I break the codeword?!

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

What connections are the most common among the fae?

Greg responds...

Back with those 'connections'.

Did I use this word in some context, cuz I don't have a clue what you mean.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Are any of the fae 'gods' we've seen so far like Anubis or Odin older than Oberon?

Greg responds...

Maybe.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) How old is Mab?
2) How old was Mab when Oberon was born?
3) How old is Oberon?
4) Titania?

Greg responds...

1. Old.

2. Old.

3. Old.

4. Old.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

What was Puck's position during the Mab-Oberon war, if he was even around at the time?

Greg responds...

Working for Oberon.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) If a fae's true form-appearance is determined by the true forms of its parents, is their connection also determined or influenced by the connection of its parents?
2) What is Oberon and Titania's two kids' connections?

Greg responds...

Still don't see what you're getting at here.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Must all fae have a connection?

Greg responds...

Still not getting "connection".

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) Does Anansi possess any connections besides trickster?
2) Raven?
3) Coyote?
4) Does Anubis have any connection besides death?
5) Is it common for Death-gods to be connected solely to Death?
6) Does Merlin have any connection?

Greg responds...

Oh, I get it. (Maybe.)

1. He's part of an African pantheon.

2. Ditto for North America.

3. Ditto for Southwestern America.

4. Egyptian.

5. No, I guess, I don't get what you mean.

6. To Arthur? To Oberon? I don't get it.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) What was Oberon's father's connection, if Mab's was power/chaos?
2) Does the power-ruling-class connection of the Oberon-Titania type refer solely to the fae ruling class, or ruling classes in general?
3) Does Alex have any kind of connection?
4) Do any other fae besides Oberon, Titania and Mab have the ruling class connection?
5) Can Mab be considered a trickster with the chaos connection?
6) Do any fae have a connection to off-planet things?
Further questions to stop this from becoming a marathon..

Greg responds...

Connection? How are you defining that?

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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Sixshot writes...

Hi mr. Weisman

In Mark of The Panther, Goliath killed "Anansi". He used a spear, but was it in iron? If not, how could a spear make him disappear like that?

Greg responds...

It wasn't iron. So Anansi wasn't killed. But it still hurt, so he reverted to a small spider to escape.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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Laura aka 'ad astra' Ackerman writes...

I love this asking questions off of answers to my own questions! By the time you read this it will have been a while since you answered what I apologized being "an amorphous blob of a question" on Fox, her potential fae abilities and concrete lack thereof, as well as Titania's intentions. I now apologize for this being only a little less of a blob; I separated paragraphs- (randomly, but I did it).

I did not truly express myself well so you could not fully answer that question- (you did cover most of it). The main thing that has been bothering me, and which prompted me to assess the situation as I had, was that thought that Titania would intentionally put herself through the pain of having a child that will live, grow old and die in a fraction of her own lifespan. I realize that even Titania cannot foresee and account every happening, but I figure that she can handle birth control if she wanted to. [Given the cross species thing, I assumed she had to work at the non-compatibility problem. Different species should be nearly automatic birth control for the most part.] Basically, I assume she intended to have Fox- or at least a halfling child. [A correct assumption?]

You answered me on July 19 saying there was no exterior block on Fox practicing fae magic- only the atrophying of unused talents. The implication of The Gathering seemed to be that that bolt at Oberon was Fox's first act of magic. The thing I am curious about is whether or not Titania tried to make Fox a magical being as a child, or even as a baby, or, at any rate before issues of atrophy could come up. I assumed she would have tried, if for no other reason than giving Fox access to a lifespan of a short lived Oberati instead of a long lived human. [I really can't understand people willingly putting themselves through the pain of losing a child when there is any viable alternative.] Continuing with what were probably faulty assumptions I deduced that Titania must have tried in a direct fashion to get Fox used to magic until Fox was old enough to talk about it credibly (4 or 5?). After that point, through the events of the Gathering, I assumed she tried less direct methods- perhaps even things that would be dangerous for a child had her mother not been there to step in to save her. Fox of course would have generally found her own way out of dangerous situations using her mind and body and circumventing the whole experiment. This all seemed a rather logical set of deductions except for figuring out why a child version of Fox could not do magic. From there I hypothesized some sort of exterior block, which you said does not exist.

So…
Did Titania conceive Fox intentionally?
Did Titania desire to have a child that was human or halfling in point of view and ability?
[Oddly enough it seems to me Fox has a rather Fae POV despite her lack of magic]
Did Titania try to train Fox in fae magic as a small child?
If so, why didn't I work at the time?
Did Titania try indirect methods throughout the rest of Fox's life?
Now that Fox has touched on her fae potential- should she desire and be able to reclaim that 'muscle' and strengthen it, in effect become more a halfling than a human, could her life expectancy jump from what I would guess to be low hundreds to several hundred?

You wrote in your answer:
"Titania/Anastasia may have made some mistakes, may not have thought things out in advance. May have had one or more changes of heart."

I am beginning to getting a bit of a picture of Titania like the cat I once saw described in a birthday card- the sort of animal that can perch on your Tv, fall off with an ungraceful plop and then jump up with an "I meant to do that" look and walk proudly and disdainfully away. Perhaps all that wonderful manipulation I give her credit for is actually (in part) post facto saving face on an incredibly skill level.

Greg responds...

I definitely think she wanted Fox. I think she loved Halcyon. And they wanted to have a child together. I think having that child was a huge part of her maturation process. (This is also all tied in with the two children she's had with Oberon. A not so happy story for another day.) The issue of Fox being a halfling was automatic. She couldn't have a child with Halcyon and NOT have it be a halfling. (You can't leave love out of the equation.)

At first, I don't think Titania DID try to train Fox in magic. Because, and this is key, she was working very hard to live as ANASTASIA. (Think Bewitched, I guess.) Again, there was love for her rational, scientist, industrialist man in there. But also it was a period of emotional growth for her. So she didn't want to mess with Fox's head. And she didn't realize it would cause problems later.

Later, yes, she tried many indirect methods. Including Matrix. No dice. So maybe, she had to try something a touch more desperate.

As to your last question, only time will tell.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Did gargoyles ever worship fae as gods?

Greg responds...

Not really.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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Jeff N. writes...

Hey there Mr. Weisman,

In an answer to an earlier question about the origins of the New Olympians, you said that the first New Olympians were the result of various fae-mortal unions, and I was just wondering if, in the Gargoyles Universe, all of the original 12 Olympians from Greek mythology would be classified as full-fledged members of the Third Race (i.e. Oberon's Children)?

Thank you and good luck on resurrecting Gargoyles.

Greg responds...

Not necessarily.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) Do fae grow weaker magically as they grow older?
2) Is there any limit to how powerful a fae can grow unaided by any magical artefacts?
3) How seriously can fae be hurt by human magic?
4) If gargoyles could develop their own sorcery, would the magic they utilise be identical to human magic?
5) Did the Zeroth/Lost Race use magic?
6) Do the New Olympians use magic these days?

Greg responds...

1. Generally, no.

2. Probably.

3. Seriously.

4. Identical? Garg sorcery + human sorcery = mortal sorcery.

5. Zeroth? Who's that?

6. Rarely.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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LSZ writes...

How does Demona feel about Oberon?

Greg responds...

I'm not sure she's aware of him.

Response recorded on August 22, 2000

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Laura 'ad astra' Ackerman writes...

In answer to a series of question I asked about Oberon and Titania's children (together and otherwise) and the events of Midsummer Night's Dream you mentioned "the pedophile theory" and said, "(platonic or otherwise) [it] still may fit the play best. Haven't worked out whether it applies to the Garg Universe." I must admit to ignorance, what theory?

Strangely enough I never really enjoyed reading Midsummer. Usually I like reading Shakespeare as much as watching, but I just couldn't get into it when last I tried. As a result I can't stand by my inability if seeing anything fitting that description in the play. In seeing the play the boy barely did anything but be handed around and look cute, but performances are already interpretations with choices. Are you saying there is a theory that Oberon wanted the kid for reasons other than being annoyed Titania was ignoring him, or that Titania was interested in the kid in ways other than adopting a dead friend's (or was it worshiper?- I don't remember well enough) child. I don't remember having that sort of theory come up outside of Hamlet. {In Hamlet I can see that there might be elements, but usually find it overplayed. Then again, I am a prude and often wear rose tinted glasses.}

I had also commented on Oberon's amusement at discovering Fox's existence. I would have expected him to be jealous, and wondered if he was exhibiting some maturity in recognition of his own track record. You said that Oberon wouldn't have been jealous because he was divorced from Titania at the time. Since when has Oberon been strictly logical or mature? Until that moment I wouldn't have put it past him to begrudge the fact that the woman he divorced had remarried and had a child with someone else despite any children he had hanging about. When we first meet Oberon, the way he responded to Titania's offer of remarriage seemed to me as if he had been quite anxious for that to happen. It almost seemed to me he had offered before and been turned down. I don't mean that he went begging her, just that he had made gestures of reconciliation and she turned him down in no uncertain terms making clear she was his subject, not love. Mostly it signaled to me that the big blue jerk had some genuine feelings for Titania, and was emotionally invested in her being his wife again. Was my reading completely off? And why was Oberon so amused?

Greg responds...

Pedophilia in Hamlet? Never heard that one. Oedipus complexes I've heard about. Though personally, I think that's rubbish.

The pedophilia thing in Midsummers involves Oberon's potential interest in the changeling. I'm not advocating that theory, though it's easily present should a director chose to play things that way.

Meanwhile, I think Oberon does love Titania. So you weren't off there. But I think he was genuinely amused. I just don't think that Oberon and Titania share the same mores that the rest of us have been socialized with. Besides, I liked shocking you with the unexpected response that still feels right.

Response recorded on August 21, 2000

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Anonymous writes...

Who was the centaur guy we saw in the gathering part 1?

Greg responds...

I don't remember off the top of my head.

Response recorded on August 21, 2000

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DrFaust writes...

Where is Mab imprisoned?

Did you ever mentally cast a particular actor in Mab's role? And if so, who?

Greg responds...

Can't tell.

No. Not yet.

Response recorded on August 21, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Could a fae as powerful as Oberon or Mab transform a gargoyl or human into a fae weaker than them?

Greg responds...

Why would they want to do this?

Response recorded on August 19, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) How did Oberon succeed in defeating Mab if she was stronger than he was?
2) Why didn't Mab approve of Titania?
3) Just how was Mab trouble? Trouble for whom, specifically?
4) Does Oberon feel any regret about overthrowing his mother?

Greg responds...

1. How does any underdog ever win?

2. It's complicated.

3. Trouble for just about everyone, actually.

4. None.

Response recorded on August 19, 2000

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April writes...

Does Fox love her mother Titani?

Greg responds...

She loves Anastasia. Titania will take some getting used to.

Response recorded on August 19, 2000

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Siren writes...

A little question from The Gathering eps
With Boudicca (sp?) and the Oberon thing...
Is she just very obidiant or did he place a spell on her?

Greg responds...

She's obedient to those she trusts.

Response recorded on August 19, 2000

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Scott Iskow writes...

On Fae Magic:

1) It's been a while since I've seen "Mark of the Panther," so I'm a little unclear on how Anansi "spins his wishes." Can you describe the process, please?

2) Did Oberon remove Puck's magic, or was it merely suppressed? If removed, where did all the energy go? Did Oberon absorb it into himself, or did he do the fae equivalent of throwing it into the garbage?

3) On a similar note to 2, how much energy does it take to strip another fae of magic? My guess would be some amount equal to the magic being removed, but I'm not well versed in cartoon magic. (I can't even rhyme well.)

Greg responds...

1. In a web...

2. Suppressed.

3. A lot i guess, but strictly speaking it would probably kill the guy.

Response recorded on August 18, 2000

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Wing writes...

Salutations!
Here's a question guised in the form of a question for you.
If Oberati can chose their form at will, why was Anansi so massive, huge, and ungainly?

Greg responds...

He ate a lot and gloried in it, I guess. And changing may not be as easy as you make it sound.

Response recorded on August 18, 2000

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Faieq Ali writes...

1)If The Children of Oberon are creatures of pure magic, then why did Anansi need the panther Queen and the people of Karadigi to hunt for him?
2)Do the Children need to eat food?

Greg responds...

1. Magic has it's limits.

2. Yes, depending on their chosen form. But they also need to feed on energy.

Response recorded on August 18, 2000

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Matthais writes...

Hello! First of all, I thought I should say that I really love Gargoyles, I write role playing games and a lot of Fae concepts comes from the show. So, without further ado:

At the end of "Ill Met By Moonlight", Oberon says something like "From now on you and your clan shall be imune to all our powers" to Goliath. You have mentioned before that Oberon uses the royal "we", or "us", or "our", but says "I" if it would be confusing otherwise. This is certainly a confusing instance. I hope by "our" powers he dosn't mean the powers of all Fae? I couldn't remember if any of the clan are affected by Fae powers after Ill Met. (Unless "Future Tense" was after it?)

Greg responds...

Just his. And of course he "bends" THAT rule all the time too.

Response recorded on August 18, 2000

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Duncan Devlin writes...

Hi Greg. I posted a question in March that I guess was a little confusing. I asked about Annubis being in line at the Gathering. Since he was presented as the Grim Reaper (essentially) and the only being to represent a "taker of souls" in the Gargoyles universe, I found it a little odd that he be taken from his duties to attend The Gathering. Since the Amir returned control to Annubis, I assume he did not take his place. The Gathering seemed to have an indeterminate length of time (Puck seemed way too concerned for just a hiatus), so the world would be without death. Who takes care of the duties of death while he is at The Gathering.

I don't want to go any furthur, because there will be an idea imbedded in the question.

I apologize for calling Nought a "dube", I was a typo I didn't pick up on until mid-May. I intended to say "dude".

Greg responds...

Where Anubis is has little to do with how he functions. He doesn't have to be present at every deathbed.

Response recorded on August 11, 2000

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LSZ (repost by Aris) writes...

Why I didn't like Odin's portrayal so much and Odin in general.

First of all, Odin was supposed to be the wisest of the gods, who sacrificed his very eye for wisdom and had to hang from a tree nine days dead, really dead, gone-to-Helheim-dead to gain even more wisdom of rune-making knowledge. He also interacted with humans frequently in the myths, and not always as a god-to-lesser-beings attitude. Odin in Gargoyles seemed kinda..dumb. His comment to Goliath about not being used to dealing with mortals seemed out-of-character. The mythological Odin seemed the type of person to try more subtle methods to gain the Eye. And also:

1) Where were Odin's ravens at the time?
2) Why has Sleipnir so few legs? He should have eight.
3) Where's Odin's magic spear Gungnir?

Greg responds...

Well, know one said that he'd been interacting with humans recently. He seemed somewhat hermetic to me.

1. In Miami.

2. I've answered this before. I know he should have had eight. He had eight in the script. The real reason he didn't in the show was because it was felt that the animators couldn't handle it and it would look horrible. The in-Universe reason is that Sleipnir is also a shape-shifter and can have as many legs as he wants to at any given time. He was in a four leg mood right then.

3. In Barbados.

(Sorry, Odin didn't please you. But I don't think our interpretations are mutually exclusive. I certainly don't disagree with yours, nor do I find it inconsistent with ours. I certainly don't think he was dumb. Just rusty. In any case, he achieved his ends.)

Response recorded on August 01, 2000

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Fenrir (repost by Aris) writes...

Norse myth again:

Hope this doesn't count as an idea but..this is just a comment I want to make because it seems that ths is commonly forgotten by most people who want to do stories about the Norse gods and just concentrate on the 'heroic Aesir/Vanir' or 'malicious Loki/Frost Giants', and seem to forget about other major figures who just don't talk much like Hel.

So my comment is:
Fenrir can talk. There's a precedent. In the story about him and Tyr, it is said he cheerfully agrees to being bound with chains, which may or may not mean he can talk. But when the gods bring him the magic ribbon Glaupnir, he is suspicious and challenges them, and states that as a test of good faith, someone must put his hand in Fenrir's mouth. So Fenrir _can_ talk.

Greg responds...

Uh, who said he couldn't?

Response recorded on August 01, 2000

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LSZ (repost by Aris) writes...

Norse myth:
1) Jormungandr was the Midgard/World Serpent, the monstrous brother of Fenrir and Hel, and like them, another bastard child of Loki and the Frost-Giantess Angrboda(anguish boding). Odin cast him into the sea not long after he was born, but there he grew to immense proportions until he encircled the entire world(which the Norse thought shaped like a disc with a huge ocean circling the sides), and had to hold his tail in his mouth. Jormungandr was also(this is from memory, may be wrong) the arch-monster-enemy(the way Fenrir is Odin's) of Thor, due to an event that occured before Ragnarok; Thor used Mjolnir as a fishing hook while fishing in a boat and caught Jormy, bashed him on the head with the hammer once or twice, but the Serpent got away, being the earliest recorded story of the Big One..

2) Jormungandr was huge, serpentine, extremely formidable in the water, and equipped with poisonous breath/bite.

3) Until Ragnarok, Jormungandr cannot heave his immense body unto the land. At Ragnarok, when the stars start falling from the sky and the huge earthquakes start, the land heaves and manages to lift Jormungandr onto the shore. He will then slither all his way to Vigrid, the battlefield. At Vigrid, his breath will poison the air, being responsible for the death of many. Thor will engage him in a long long battle, and not too long after Odin gets eaten, finally slay Jormungand. Thor will then walk nine steps away, and fall down dead, too heavily injured in the battle to survive. So it'll appear Jormungandr would be dead..but if Odin can survive Ragnarok, why can't Jorm?

2) How many tricksters do you need? Loki's got other aspects besides tricktser-he's also a fire-god and shapeshifter of great power and skill.

And an actual question:
3) How did Odin survive Ragnarok?

Next Norse myth thing in seperate post, unsure if that counts as seperate topic.

Greg responds...

1. Was that a question? I'm familiar with the Midgard Serpent from my D'Aulaire's NORSE GODS & GIANTS book. (One of my favorite books ever.) I figure, he's mostly dead. But I'll admit, my thoughts on Ragnarok in the Garg Universe are fairly sketchy. I have a few concrete ideas, but I don't have all the choreography nailed down.

2. Loki's cool. But he gets used A LOT. I'm not ruling him out -- and certainly not in flashback -- but I don't feel a pressing need to include him in the present. But you never know...

3. Not telling now.

Response recorded on August 01, 2000

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Aris Katsaris (repost by Aris) writes...

Do the Weird Sisters feel anything like affection or responsibility towards Demona and Macbeth? In 'City of Stone' they did seem to feel these thing ("We've written their story. They are our children") but in the following episode we just saw them use Demona and Macbeth for their own purposes...

Greg responds...

The Sisters have many aspects. At least one cares.

Response recorded on August 01, 2000

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Aris Katsaris (repost by Aris) writes...

This comes with some delay but better late than never... Concerning Morrigan (to give credit where due) Todd had already guessed that in the Gargoyles Universe she may have been Banshee... I had my doubts, in part because I hadn't guessed that the 'love' part in their love/hate relationship went back to their earlier life...

Anyway... So, the Morrigan of legends is an amalgation of Banshee and the Weird sisters... interesting and ofcourse quite fitting. (I also wonder if the idea of the Weird Sisters in love with anyone could ever pass S&P - it would seem a bit like a group orgy or something... :-)

I was intrigued (and quite pleased) when I found out that you had further plans for Banshee as Molly - the episode had left me rather unsatisfied, Rory transforming into Cuchullain and attacking/killing the Banshee as if Molly had meant nothing to him... it felt kind of a letdown (especially since I quite liked Molly while the Banshee seemed two-dimensional). So I'm glad this is not the end of their relationship, even though I agree with you that it would be difficult to near-impossible to focus a whole series on the two of them.

Hmm... here are a couple of questions. Does Rory know that the Banshee is still out there or does he think that he has killed her? And that 'transformation' into Cuchullain... would you have it happen again, or even on a regular base? (I rather disliked the transformation - I didn't much like Cuchullain's form...) And how does Rory feel now about Molly/Banshee/Crom Cruach?

Thanks btw, for the compliment on my usage of English... However the specific post concerning the Morrigan was in great part a copy-and-paste job from a mythological website... :-)

Greg responds...

I think to the extent that Rory is only just starting to remember his past life, he probably realizes taht Cuchullain has "killed" her before and will probably have to "kill" her again. He doesn't expect Molly to reenter his life though. That should come as a surprise.

Some transformation will be part of the equation. But I too wasn't satisfied with what we had. For starters, it seemed to much like Marvel's Thor to me. And I wasn't wild about the Cuchullain model either. It was servicable, and we were on deadline. But I'd like to come up with something stronger. Something that mixes Rory and Cuchullain more. Something that better integrates the Spear of Light. I have some ideas about it, if I ever get the chance to revisit.

As for Rory's current feelings, I think he largely felt betrayed by Molly. Felt she had been using him, felt she never had any real feelings for him. I think she thinks that he's right about that. But "going undercover" as Banshee did gets complicated. Nothing's as cut and dry as either of them think.

Response recorded on August 01, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Just why does the sound of iron harm fae? It isn't as if iron radiates 'iron waves' like uranium and radioactivity..

Greg responds...

Sez you.

Response recorded on July 30, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Does Mab share the resistance to iron that Oberon possesses?

Greg responds...

Semi-resistance? Probably.

Response recorded on July 30, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Did any fae ever travel to space at any period in history? Are they even capable of doing so?

Greg responds...

Not yet. At least not that I know of.

Response recorded on July 30, 2000

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LSZ writes...

I'm pretty sure this question was lost in the queue, and I've searched it twice, so I'll ask it again:

Did any magical faelike beings evolve on other planets, or is the whole magic-incubation thing limited to Earth?

Greg responds...

'Spossible.

Response recorded on July 30, 2000

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LSZ writes...

How would powdered iron dust affect a fae if you sprinkle some on one? What would it do-poison, scorch, bring on a rash, make them itch...

Greg responds...

Maybe all of the above. Maybe something worse.

Response recorded on July 30, 2000

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Todd Jensen writes...

I'm not certain as to whether this question has been asked here or not (it certainly hasn't been answered yet), but - do the fay have any sort of afterlife as humans and gargoyles do, or do they just stop existing when they die?

Greg responds...

BEN SAYS: bbnmm,. lkpooyyy

GREG SAYS: Anything's possible.

And I love Benny.

Response recorded on July 29, 2000

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Nemi writes...

Apologies for misspellings!

dose to does and such.

This all has to do with Fey and history.

Howmany generations of Fey have their been?

Have the fey ever been primitive? As in the way humans were sevral millenia ago?

Greg responds...

1. I've never counted.

2. Not in that way exactly. Not like their were cave-fey.

Response recorded on July 29, 2000

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Nemi writes...

Stupid pointless Titania questions that got deleted this time:

Does she wear shoes? (Yes I know, Oberon wears enough for both of them and then some)

Has she always worn what she does and some variation, or pregathering did she wear something less--revealing?

Is there a point to her wearing so little?

Greg responds...

1. When she feels like it.

2. Her wardrobe is as extensive as her imagination. But she favors the outfit you saw.

3. She's got it. She flaunts it.

Response recorded on July 28, 2000

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Nemi writes...

Here's some stupid questions with no point that also got deleted, they all have to do with Oberon's looks and fashion sence, which in a sence is the same thing for a fey:

Why does Oberon wear those thigh high boots?

Why does Oberon have a broken nose? There are a few theroies going round about this one, which I can't post for fear of getting this deleted.

Is it just mean or is he, Oberon, wearing shorts?

an' I think that's it

Greg responds...

1. He thinks he looks good in them. Also they're comfortable.

2. He doesn't.

3. He's not wearing shorts.

Response recorded on July 27, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Did Ragnarok occur before Oberon overthrew Mab, or after, or during the Oberon-Mab war?

Greg responds...

Not telling right now.

Response recorded on July 27, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Which of the Death-gods has the greatest connection to Death? You have implied earlier that some have less and more than other Death-gods, like Banshee compared to Anubis..

Greg responds...

Tough to top Anubis. But I don't pretend to have thought out every pantheon's death god at this point. Gotta leave some stuff for when the stories are written.

Response recorded on July 27, 2000

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LSZ writes...

1) You said earlier that Oberon has siblings; how many?
2) Of what gender are they?
3) Do Titania or Puck have siblings?

Greg responds...

1. Did I say that?

2. What are my choices?

3. Both of them or either?

Response recorded on July 27, 2000

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Isaac Kelley writes...

Alright, in Hunters Moon, my personal favorite episode, Demona almost unleashed a magical disease that would have killed all sentience. Gargoyles would be immune to it's effects thanks to the Praying Gargoyle.
Now we all know Goliath smashed the statue and saved the world. But what if this was not the case...
1. All humans would have died. Macbeth is obviously human. Would this not have qualified as death at Demona's hands, thus killing Demona (oops)?
2. If not, would she fall prey to it when she turned into human form? How would this work?
3. Would this spread to Avalon and/or the isle of the New Olympians?
4. How would it affect... Oberon's Children?
5. ...New Olympians?
6. ...Gargoyle clones?
7. Any other effects?

Thanks for your time. Love your rambles, by the way, look forward to next season's rambles.

Greg responds...

More hypothetical questions... YAY!

1. I've answered this many times before. Try looking through the Demona or Macbeth archives. Briefly, it would depend on Demona's intent.

2. I'm sure she thought she was safe.

3. No reason why it wouldn't spread to New Olympus. No reason why it would spread to Avalon.

4. Potentially not at all.

5. Kill most of them probably.

6. Not at all.

7. Anyone who asks hypothetical questions based on untread pathes would die. :)

Response recorded on July 27, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Did Morgana or Nimue attend the Gathering?

Greg responds...

The one in Dallas or one of the ones in New York?

Response recorded on July 27, 2000

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LSZ writes...

Were the fae around during the time of the dinosaurs?

Greg responds...

No.

Response recorded on July 26, 2000

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Todd Jensen (repost by Aris) writes...

How did Odin get around Oberon's non-intervention law when he kidnapped Elisa?

Greg responds...

He felt the Eye rightly belonged to him. The mortals were interfering with HIS property.

Response recorded on July 26, 2000

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Lexy (repost by Aris) writes...

Nope..still not done yet..

Ok, I put this in a separate post _just_ in case.

1) Could you tell us what the episode, "Ransom" would have been like if you had had more control over it?

I put this in a separate post cuz..as you may notice you have answered this one from me before. I admit that. Its just that when you did it was awful vague. I was just wondering if right now you could tell us something more besides, "It was pretty much the same plot except the kidnappers were from Avalon." Ok they were from Avalon?

2) Would we have seen these characters in any episodes after Ransom?

We never saw Puck in TGC. But im SURE Alex getting kidnapped would have warrented a Puck episode;)

3) Would Puck have been the first one to know and not his parents?

Everyone got together trying to figure out how to go about getting Alex back

4) In the ep you had planned, would it have been more of a Puck/Lex teamup?

5) Where would've the mystery characters from Avalon taken our lil prince?

U know..Q's like that?

Pulezz?;)

Greg responds...

1. Is that quotation an actual quotation or a paraphrase? I can't imagine that's what I wrote. It certainly was never going to be the same plot. It was a Tricksters story. Initially it was to include Owen/Puck, Raven, Anansi and Coyote. Plus Lex and the Family Xanatos. I think as time has gone on, I would have dropped Anansi and Coyote from this one. Focused more on Raven as the Trickster/Villain. Saved the multi-Trickster episode for another story.

2. In that season or ever?

3. Uh, I don't pretend to have every little detail worked out. I never actually wrote the story, I simply proposed it. They took a kernel of it and turned it into Ransom.

4. Probably.

5. Don't know.

Response recorded on July 26, 2000

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Chapter XVIII: "The Mirror"

Story Editor: Brynne Chandler Reaves
Writer: Lydia C. Marano

Arguably the best single episode of the series. The animation is fluid, dynamic and very strong. The writing is sharp, even quite funny over and over. And yet, dramatically the story is still potent. It really advances the Goliath & Elisa romance arc. Changes Demona permanently. And introduces Puck -- and by extension, the entire third race: The Children of Oberon. All in a mere 22 minutes.

It's also very gratifying for me. A bit of a vindication. As you may have seen from the memos I wrote to Brynne & Lydia, there was some considerable resistance to the notion that none of the characters would notice their own personal change from one species to another. Most of my collaborators thought the idea was way too complicated to pull off. I argued that it might seem complex, but in fact it would play cleaner on screen -- and funnier and more directly to theme. In my mind, another title for this episode could have been -- had we already not been using it for our Werefox episode -- "Eye of the Beholder", because all the transformed characters really noticed was when someone else was "OTHER". Being a monster or being "normal" was based on their point of view, not any objective look in the mirror. [As it is, the title is the kind I like. Simple, objective and yet metaphoric. At one point, it was titled: "Mirror, Mirror". But we simplified it even more.]

But anyway, when the human Brooklyn, Lex and Broadway are confronted by "Gargoyles", the scene is an intentional mirror of the scene from AWAKENING, PART ONE where Brooklyn says, "If they think we're beasts and monsters..." Again, this is playing with the idea of "beasts and monsters" being merely in the eye of the beholder. The species have reversed, but the situation is exactly the same simply because the Trio remain in the minority. I suppose that's one thing that X-Men's mutants have in common with the Gargs. Both are a metaphor for being part of a minority. Feared almost automatically.

On the other hand, when Elisa is transformed, she believes that Goliath & Co. have been transformed into something like her. I think her immediate reaction is very telling about how she ALREADY felt about Goliath at that point. She's thrilled. She throws her arms about him. Now they're the same species. There's no impediment to their love. What's interesting is that if you stopped and asked Elisa under normal circumstances whether she would wish for Goliath to be transformed into a human, the answer would most certainly be "No." She knows that being a Gargoyle is fundamental to who he is. You can't change that without changing him -- and yet in that instant, in that unguarded moment, her desire to be with him overwhelms that rational knowledge. She's just happy.

At the museum, Elisa looks at herself in the mirror. She then moves, but the reflection holds. That was the idea of one of our board artists. A little clue that the mirror is magic. (It's not an animation error.)

Family Reactions #1

During that museum chase, my wife wanted to know why no alarms were going off. I figure Demona or the thieves just shut them off.

Erin didn't realize that that was Elisa dressed as a security guard at first. We were trying to withhold that information for a bit.

"Titania's Mirror", "The Children of Oberon", "Oberon sent me." We were laying groundwork to expand the entire series' base. But I don't know if back then I knew that much about what if anything I had planned specifically for Titania & Oberon.

Anymore than I knew then what I'd do with the "Dracula's Daughter" reference. But we try not to waste anything.

Coming up with that "Children of Oberon" name was a struggle. And so many people have asked me since whether or not Oberon is literally everyone's father, I almost regret landing on that choice. Our thought process is largely present in the episode when Goliath et al, go through various noms: Fair Folk, Dark Elves, Changelings, Shape-Shifters. Of course, at the time we were misusing the term Changeling. I think that was Odo's influence frankly, but I should have known better. I suggested "The Oberati". But the Reaves didn't care for that. I think they thought it sounded too much like an Italian sports car.

I do love the moment when Brooklyn cites Shakespeare's play as a sort of reference work on the Children. I hope we sent a few people to the library with that line. Did we?

I also love Hudson's line in response to Elisa's question: Are they real?

Hudson: "As real as I am, if the stories be true." It's full of delicious dramatic irony. If you can suspend belief on a bunch of gargoyles, then this shouldn't be a problem for you. I love things that work on multiple levels.

I also love Hudson's "Be careful what you wish for" line.

We were trying to show a bit here how Demona had managed to operate in the modern world up to this point. One of the thieves has clearly worked for Demona before without ever having laid eyes on her. Of course, showing Demona's M.O. here, was like giving it a swan song. Because after this episode, though she clearly doesn't realize it yet, her life is going to get MUCH easier. Being a human during the day is a great boon to all her scheming. I'm very curious about everyone's reaction to that? Shock? Amusement? I also tried to work very hard so that in that last two minutes of epilogue, everyone would get that she only was human during the day. I was very afraid that the audience would think she was permanently transformed into a human. Was anyone confused? Or was anyone surprised that Puck's revenge/gift STUCK? We wouldn't really explore the change until HIGH NOON. Had you forgotten about it by then?

Family Reactions #2
As Demona's casting the spell that will summon Puck. (Which I always thought was very cool, with the feather and all.)
Benny: "That's a magic mirror. Is Demona going in there?"
Erin: "Puck's gonna come out."

As I've mentioned before, during the writing of this story we figured out that Owen was Puck. So to play fair we dropped a hint here. Demona (who knows) says to Puck: "You serve the human. You can serve me." Puck changes the subject, replying "Humans [note the plural] have a sense of humor, you have none." This was done intentionally to distract the audience away from the hint we had just dropped. But obviously, in hindsight, it's a clear reference to Owen serving Xanatos. Anyone get it right off the bat? Anyone even take note of the line the first time? Originally, the line read, "You serve him, now you can serve me." With the "him" referring to Xanatos. But our S&P executive was afraid the "him" could be taken to mean Satan. I know that seems silly now. But keep in mind, we were very paranoid back then about the show being attacked for promoting devil worship. So we made the change.

Sensitive Broadway: "Maybe even love." It's a nice moment. Wistful.

Puck reminds Demona that the mirror isn't "Aladdin's lamp". At the time, the Aladdin series was still in production at Disney. So that's a bit of an in-joke.

And how about that: Demona is still carrying a torch for Goliath. On some level, she wants him more than almost anything. Yet she continually allows her hatred to get in the way. And the irony is, that at this point, pre-Vows it isn't yet too late for them. But her actions further serve to cement the Goliath/Elisa relationship. More now than ever before.

Puck/Brent Spiner is just fantastic. I love that "charming personality" line. And "You don't know what you're asking, believe me." And "I'll do EXACTLY as you asked." And "My mistake." And "A very long nap." He's just so rich.

Plus the boarding and animation on Puck is just great. As is the sound work that accompanies him zipping around.

I always wanted Puck to be the one character who could break the fourth wall and talk directly to the audience. Every time he appeared, we'd put a line or two in the script that was addressed to the audience. And every time, Frank or Dennis Woodyard would cut it out of the board. They didn't like breaking the fourth wall. (A lot of guys don't. I tried to do that with Max on Max Steel, but Richard Raynis and Jeff Kline wouldn't allow that either.) Oh, well....

Puck also establishes that Oberon's Children generally use rhyming spells instead of Latin or Hebrew or whatever. (Thus making life slightly -- but ONLY slightly -- easier on me and the writers.) But Puck isn't too formal: "Human's love a battle hearty, so does Puck, come on, let's Party!" Fun. (And I like Brooklyn's line, "Party's over." too.)

Family Reactions #3
When Elisa's transformed into a gargoyle.

Erin: "She looks cute." [I very much agree. Though I always wonder where her red jacket goes.]

Ben then asked why she was transformed.

Beth explained that Demona didn't want Elisa to be human anymore.

Erin then corrects my wife and explains that Puck is tricking Demona.

KIDS GET IT! Adults need to pay closer attention!

Goliath suddenly has lust in his heart:
G: "I never realized when you were human just how beautiful you were."
E (with a smile): "You mean you thought I was ugly?"
G: "Uh... careful! Updraft!!"
Man, that guy is smooth.

Anyway, that's one of my all-time favorite exchanges. I think it reveals so much. Somewhere underneath, Goliath has been attracted to who Elisa IS deep-down -- at least since AWAKENING, PART THREE. But he never thought of her as a potential love interest. He wasn't brought up liberally enough to think that way. After all, she has no wings, no tail. And those human shaped feet!

But suddenly, she's revealed as a FEMALE. Now, even when she goes back to being human, his perspective is permanently altered. Hers, however, is not. She's already consciously had those thoughts. Consciously rejected them. So at the end of the episode, he wants to discuss these (for him) new feelings -- but she does not. And the sun helps shut him up.
G: "That's not what I meant."
E: "But that's the way it is."
Another of my all-time favorite exchanges. (I'm really partial to things involving the G/E relationship. I know, I know, I'm a romantic sap.]

I also like the ongoing confusion. Elisa: "Everyone in Manhattan has been turned into... HUMANS!" Goliath: "No, no, no, no, no." And when the Gargoyles are changed into humans, Brooklyn is so sure that they've always been humans, it's funny. Like that moment in CITY OF STONE, when he's convinced that the "statue of Elisa" is a bad likeness of her: "They got the nose wrong."

FYI, there was an honest attempt, within the logical parameters of what our gargs looked like, to make their human versions resemble the actors who played them. Thus Goliath has darker skin than the others, because Keith David is African-American. (Though otherwise Goliath really looks like Conan to me.) The bald Lex has brown hair and the bald Broadway has blond like Thom Adcox and Bill Fagerbakke respectively. Brooklyn resembles Jeff Bennett but with Brooklyn's white hair instead of Jeff's blond. And Hudson looks like Ed Asner with a beard. More or less. Thom Adcox is the one who most looked like the human version of his character.

Cool little touches:

Demona nudges an unconscious Puck with her tail.

She continues to call Hudson, "Old Soldier". Her tenth century "name" for him.

Her line about the "gift of being a gargoyle". I love that superior attitude.

Lexington's "Fun, but weird" line.

Hudson wrapping the sheet over the mirror.

Elisa and Demona have a brief "cat-fight" as Gargoyles. Not quite as diverting as the one they'll have as humans in High Noon. But it was nice to put them on equal physical footing for a change. Let them have it out.

Demona mentions that Puck isn't too tired to make himself "invisible to the crowd". This was us trying to plug a hole in our story. We felt it would undercut the mob's reactions to our newly human heroes if they had the same reaction to seeing Puck. And yet Puck clearly looks more human than Gargoyle. More "other". So we slid that line in to avoid the whole problem.

FAMILY REACTION #4

Beth laughed at Hudson's very Scots reading of "No doubt about it." Which is pronounced more like: "No doot aboot it."

More sappy stuff (which I love):

Goliath's line: "I'll always be there to catch you."

Elisa completely forgetting her fear of flying in order to save the MAN she loves.

That brief moment when both Elisa and Goliath are humans at the same time.

Hudson's wistful line about seeing the sun, just once.

Although it had little to do with the metaphor, we couldn't really resist the notion of showing Bronx transformed into a dog. We picked the biggest dog we could think of, a Wolfhound type, though a bulldog might have been more reminiscent.

In the script, Demona smashes the mirror upon seeing her human reflection in the glass. But somehow the scene never got animated. So we added the sound of the mirror being smashed to the exterior shot at the end. This was important in order to give the story full closure. The initial point of the episode was to prevent Demona from getting Titania's Mirror. Structurally, therefore, I couldn't allow her to keep it.

But no fear, later we introduced Oberon's Mirror (clearly part of a matching set) in THE GATHERING, PART ONE.

I wonder what all those Manhattanites thought when suddenly they realized they were all barefoot.


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LSZ writes...

If each fae has a certain connection to some aspect through their magic, like Anubis to Death, do:

1) Do Halflings also have such a connection?
2) Is it possible for a fae to change their connection?
3) What is Oberon's particular connection?
4) Mab's?
5) Puck's
6) Titania's?

Greg responds...

1. That's less likely.
2. Why would they want to?
3. Power. The ruling class.
4. The same. But also Chaos.
5. He's a Trickster. It's its own category.
6. See Oberon.

Response recorded on July 24, 2000

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Laura aka 'ad astra' writes...

Sorry to leave this as an amorphous blob of a question, but it is really one complex question on Fox: You have said that she is human [life expectancy, magical ability, etc] because she was raised that way. But Titania in The Gathering said she tried to get Fox's magic to surface many times. It almost seemed as if there was some sort of block on that magic surfacing. Is there a block, be it exterior to Fox, or from within her own subconscious? (if so, is it interior or exterior?) Granted Titania's efforts were probably not that straightforward, [I would assume the events of the Gathering were such a test, perhaps Walkabout.] wouldn't the earliest attempts, the ones when Fox was a child, have been more straight forward, and only when they failed, and Fox was old enough to do that endearing thing little children do (repeat what they oughtn't at inopportune moments) that they became hidden? I can see Titania wanting to raise a child that would appear to everyone as fully human even if it meant the child itself not knowing for a while, but did Titania want to raise a truly fully mortal child? It seems hard to believe that Titania would want to put herself through having a child only to have it age and die in a blink of her life span. Since you have said much depends on her POV, should Fox change her perception of herself could she tap into substantial fey magic, life expectancy? Do you see that happening?

Greg responds...

Uh... What was the question?

I'm not sure that Fox won't have a slightly longer life expectancy. But I wouldn't use the term "block" at all. There's no block. Her natural abilities have simply not been nurtured. Think of it as a muscle that has atrophied. Titania/Anastasia may have made some mistakes, may not have thought things out in advance. May have had one or more changes of heart. Where things go from here depends on a number of factors -- and in any case is a story for another day.

Or was that what you were asking?

Response recorded on July 19, 2000

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Laura aka 'ad astra' writes...

A while back I came up with an assessment of fey power that ran like this: Oberon has more raw power than Titania- but Titania is more powerful. To explain: If a being wanted to light a room he or she could use magic to form a ball of bright light and in doing so he (this is my Oberon model) has to expend the energy to keep it going, concentrate on its heat and brightness, distance from ceiling, from heads, and other logistical matters. Another might simply use her magic to flip the switch and let the light-bulb handle the rest- the Titania model. For simple things it doesn't tax the magical reserves of the being- but for more impressive things it adds up. For instance- should Oberon want to create a massive storm he has to do so by the sheer force of his will. Should Titania desire the same thing, she could fall back on her extensive scientific knowledge and simply play with a few wind patterns. The resulting storm is the same, but the energy expended to create it is much different. Titania has been studying science for quite some time, I tend to doubt Oberon is a model student. Am I right, even in part?

Slightly connected- You were asked who would succeed Oberon should he die and you answered Titania. Is this because she is the next most powerful, she has some lineage claim, or, would be the most likely to have bumped him off? [What are her thoughts of her once and again hubby?]

Just to add a comment- It seems to me Oberon is a big jerk, but one with potential. While he does go around trying to kill the gargoyles in Ill Met, once defeated he actually takes it quite well, and even comes up with the only graceful, even noble, solution to the mess. Likewise his punishment of the Banshee is quite poetic, and in some ways not extreme. Here and there there are hints to something worthwhile in him, (I particularly remember his insistence Titania have the right to come and go as she please). I get the impression that if he were only slightly less powerful and had to rely on his other attributes and not brute force he would be quite an amazing being and ruler. It also seems to me the only reason Titania might want to remarry him. She was clearly manipulating him, and it did not even seem much of a challenge, but if she were truly interested in how much he had matured, and how much more he might do so, it would explain a lot. Again, am I close to the truth?

Thanks

Greg responds...

You're not far from the truth, but I don't think you're giving Oberon enough credit. There was a time when he was the MOST mature of his race. The most progressive. The most merciful. The most tolerant. Etc. In some ways his banishment of the Children worked too well. Many of them, Titania in particular, grew, changed. He largely didn't. But he's not an idiot. He's in fact quite intelligent. And quite loving in his way. Quite charismatic. Titania loves him. Truly loves him. She may think she can aide in his growth, but he's the only "man" she could find that truly challenges her. Everyone else seems quite limited by comparison.

And although he may seem arrogant or act "like a jerk", you need to remember that that arrogance isn't without foundation. And relatively speaking, I don't think he's a jerk at all. He's flawed. And a flawed creature of that much power is a threat. But Titania has her flaws too. She isn't exactly little miss goody-two-shoes with magic. I think they were made for each other.

And I certainly didn't mean to imply that she would bump him off. Simply, in the hypothetical case that he did die, that she as queen, is next in line to the throne.

Response recorded on July 19, 2000

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Laura aka 'ad astra' writes...

This is a litle long, but it is all on one topic-

You said Fox has Half Siblings, step siblings and Foster sibs, in fact that two of them are (where?) children of Oberon and Titania [very cool]. I see people have already jumped on the foster sibs part in reference to Midsummer. I am not sure if this has been explicitly mentioned in this way so here goes-

1.Did the events of the play (in a broad way) actually happen?

2.With or without the donkey part?

3. If so did that have anything to do with the straw that broke Oberon's back?

Reads more..
4. Are you saying that the child in Midsummer might have been Oberon's?!?!?

5.Are you implying that Titania took in many, or at least some of Oberon's illegitimate offspring as foster kids?

6 Oberon doesn't seem at all bent out of shape at the idea of Titania having had kids with someone other than himself, actually rather amused-
a. was that a rare case of Oberon being mature enough to realize he was living in a glass house?
b. was he amused because Titania had not been so happy with his other children?
c. or do Oberati have very low expectations of fidelity?

7. When asked about Titania and Oberon's son and daughter you said they were new but did not seem all too sure about it. Have we met them in some shape or form seemingly totally unconnected?

8.You also said they were mythic - were they related to their parents in legend, or is that only discovered in Gargoyle's universe?

Sorry this is so long

Greg responds...

1. Broadly, yes.

2. Bottom is in there. But I won't say how.

3. Everything's connected ultimately.

4. Might. That's my new Shakespeare Theory, or one of them anyway. (I think the pedophile theory (platonic or otherwise) still may fit the play best. Haven't worked out whether it applies to the Garg Universe.

5. Not necessarily.

6. a. Not really.
b. No.
c. Probably. But fidelity wasn't an issue. Titania & Oberon were divorced when Titania married Renard and had Fox.

7. No. Not to my knowledge. (I thought I was sure.) I know who they are, but they did not appear in the first 66 episodes.

8. It's complicated. Both.

Response recorded on July 18, 2000


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