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Anthony Wu writes...

Dear Greg,
I'm a business student at USC and one of my classes is a freshmen honors colloquium, where business leaders and USC alumni come speak to us on a weekly basis. This past Monday, October 6, we had the pleasure of having Dick Cook, the chairman of Walt Disney Pictures, come speak to us. Afterwards, I asked him if he had ever heard of the Gargoyles TV show and subsequent attempts to make it into a movie. He said he was familiar with it, but they just never found a script that they liked. This is pretty much what you've been saying all along, but if the chairman of Disney Pictures has heard of the Gargoyles movie, don't you feel that Gargoyles has had SOME relevance, and thus, there's still a chance it might succeed as a movie? I'm still holding out hope that Gargoyles will make it to the silver-screen! =) By the way, who IS responsible for writing and submitting the movie's scripts now?

Greg responds...

Last I heard, the live action movie was off the active development list. I've been told that Nina Jacobson, who currently runs Touchstone, is uninterested in the property. I have no idea if that is in fact true.

But the simplest fact is that they did attempt for at least five years to develop a movie script, and they never found one that they liked well enough to proceed with. I never read any of them, but from what little I've heard about them, I'm guessing that we may have dodged a bullet.

Response recorded on July 07, 2005

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Regarding Oberon

The other day, I was asked a question about sources for Oberon. I didn't know the answer, but I received this e-mail from site moderator, Todd Jensen:

Dear Greg,

In "Ask Greg" today, curousity asked you if there were any other sources besides Shakespeare for Oberon as "king of the faries [sic]". You replied, "Not off the top of my head." I hope that I'm not presuming here in e-mailing you, but I have found at least three works beside "A Midsummer Night's Dream" that portray Oberon in that role, both of which are early enough that they count as "primary sources".

One is a late medieval French work about one of Charlemagne's knights, entitled Huon of Bordeaux (written in the 15th century, and translated into English by a certain Lord Berners in 1548 - early enough, in other words, that Shakespeare could have used it as a source for Oberon). In it, Huon befriends Oberon in his adventures, and the latter becomes Huon's guardian, almost a "fairy godfather". (Oberon is portrayed in it as around three feet tall due to a curse placed upon him in his infancy, and as the son of Julius Caesar and Morgan le Fay!) At the end of the story, Oberon even brings Huon to Avalon and formally abdicates in favor of Huon, declaring him ruler over the "faerie-folk"; a bit of trouble develops, however, when King Arthur arrives at the gathering and protests, saying that if any human should be ruling over Avalon, it should be he himself rather than a relative newcomer like Huon. Oberon angrily tells Arthur that he has chosen Huon for his successor, is not going to change his mind, and even threatens to curse Arthur by transforming him into a werewolf if he doesn't accept it. Huon at this point steps in as a peacemaker, to say that he doesn't think that he could rule Avalon on his own and suggests that he and Arthur act as co-rulers. Oberon and Arthur both agree to this, after which Oberon peacefully dies and Arthur and Huon are crowned in his stead.

Another non-Shakespeare "primary source" involving Oberon is Michael Drayton's Nimphidia, which has Oberon ruling over the "fairies" as well - and wedded here to Queen Mab! (According to the research that I've done on fairy mythology, Titania appears to have been Shakespeare's invention as opposed to a pre-existing legendary figure, though Oberon and Puck both predated him.)

A third is Edmund Spenser's The Faerie Queene, which presents Oberon as the former ruler over "Fairyland", now deceased, with his daughter Gloriana - the Faerie Queene of the title - ruling in his stead. (Gloriana is actually an idealized Elizabeth I, meaning that the Oberon of Spenser would be an idealized Henry VIII.) The poem also includes, incidentally, King Arthur, Merlin, and Talos as on-stage characters.


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Connie writes...

Do You plan to make your dream come true by making gargoyles into a real live movie; that teens and young kids will enjoy and love.

Greg responds...

That's WAY outside of my control.

Response recorded on July 06, 2005

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Saiyuki writes...

Aren't you get bore sometimes to answer question about Gargoyle?

Greg responds...

Sometimes. This question's kinda boring.

Response recorded on July 06, 2005

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Vic writes...

Were you or the other creators and writers of the series of frustrated with what I term "cartoon cliches"? For example knock-out gas, lasers or having to replace profanity with the word jalapenia.

A specific example: the beginning of deadly force. Does the mafia in all animated shows have stock in chloroform or something? If the Supranos or police reports have taught us anything it's that organized crime tends to be accomplished with a lot of people being shot.
There are others things certainly, so i ask simply, do tell us what you found frustrating, stupid or just plain wrong in creating stories for Gargoyles, the constraints and cliches you hated.

Greg responds...

I didn't hate much, frankly. At least we got to use real guns within reason. Today, not even a cop can pull a real gun. You'd never see a "Deadly Force" on broadcast today.

I don't mind being either more creative or slightly more fanciful in a world and in a universe where that is appropriate. I'll reserve my "hate" for more serious concerns.'

Do I wish sometimes we could swear? Maybe. Occasionally. But not often. And I LIKED "Jalapeña" even if my art staff hated it.

Sorry if that's not strident enough for you.

Response recorded on July 06, 2005

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Anonymous writes...

Hey Greg on the portrayal of the children of oberon were you trying to making them as non-human and alien as possible in character or were you just trying to make them more like people who had incredible amounts of power?

Greg responds...

I didn't have that kind of agenda, one way or another. I simply wanted to make them viable and compelling as characters.

Response recorded on July 05, 2005

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curouosity writes...

That you for taking the time to look at this.
I was wondering the following considereing Oberon and the 3rd race:

1. Before the space-spawn invasion, does Oberon know of alien races and go to other worlds or does he not know or not care?

2. Are all of the third race weakened by iron or are some like Anubis and Odin who seem so different from the likes of Puck immune to it?

3. Why is Oberon far more powerful then other memebers of the third race? Is that the only reason he is king?

4. If I understand the weakness to iron correcly, it means any magic shield a fay attmpts to use pure iron would pass through and magic blasts like Oberon demonstrated would be stopped, right? Would these also apply to Odin's lightning bolts or Anubis's ageing attacks?

5. Do you know where it is written(story or other place) that Oberon is king of the faries and the magic's vulnerability to iron? Besides Shakespeare

6. Is Avalon an actual island on Earth Oberon hides with magic or is it in a different reality?

7. What do the third race do on Avalon? Puck seemed to think it would be boring and there does not seem to be alot to do for beings that are so powerful.


Greg responds...

1. I'm not aware of him knowing about them at this time.

2. All.

3. It goes a long way toward explaining things. But it combines with heredity.

4. Rules that won't break, can bend.

5. Not off the top of my head.

6. Somewhat other-dimensional. But it is attuned and part of the Earth.

7. It's home. Home can be boring sometimes, but most of us like to hang there.

Response recorded on July 05, 2005

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Jerry writes...

What did the Scrolls of Merlin, read by MacBeth, read? Can you provide me with what they said? I know that in the show, you had MacBeth read only a small excerpt from the first scroll. Can you provide me with the actual script that the scrolls contained? I need it for my project...

Greg responds...

What "project"?

And are you asking me for a full transcript of the scrolls or for a copy of the "Lighthouse" script?

Cuz the former doesn't exist and the latter... well, I can't start sending scripts out... where would it end?

Response recorded on July 01, 2005

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Phoenician writes...

Hey Greg,

I'm was just wondering: What does Xanatos Enterprises actually do anything in a business like way?
I know it's rival is mainly Cyberbiotics (Especially in "Outfoxed" when its seen that destroying Reynard's company would let Xanatos monopolize the industry), and that company deals with robots and such, but does Xanatos do any business besides SteelClan Robots, The "Cold" androids (Such As ColdStone, ColdFire, and ColdSteel), The Illuminati, Gen-U-Tech, Pack Media, and other shady Deals? The Matrix may be one, but I'm not sure, seeing Anastasia Reynard/Titania in that episode makes me think of Cyberbiotics.

Greg responds...

The Matrix was not a Cyberbiotics project, but a Xanatos Enterprises project.

XE is a multi-national conglomerate. The fact that its Scarab Corp subsidiery secretly manufactures Steel Clan Robots, doesn't prevent Scarab from being involved in more legit robotic endeavors, such as RECAP.

And the fact that Gen-U-Tech, another subsidiary, secretly manufactures Mutates, doesn't prevent it from doing legitimate and profitable genetic and medical research.

Xanatos also owns PackMedia and PackMedia Studios, producing legit television programming.

And etc., etc.

With David, nothing's ever wasted.

Response recorded on July 01, 2005

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matt writes...

1. you've said before that its the leader of the Clan that usually decides to banish a gargoyle in the Clan and for how long. so, did Goliath give the order to banish Iago? or was Hudson still in command at this point?

2. did the majority of the Wyvern Clan agree that Iago should be banished for a year?

3. where did Iago go during his banishment? did he find another temporary clan or did he just play rouge gargoyle for a year?

Greg responds...

1. Iago was banished by Goliath in 993 for one year.

2. I didn't hear a lot of objections.

3. "Rouge Gargoyle". Hmmm.... Yes. He joined a Gentleman's Club and... Oh. Wait. You meant "Rogue Gargoyle" didn't you. That's very different. Never mind.

Response recorded on July 01, 2005

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