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Did a lot of people see the Gargoyles during the Times Square Battle in "Reawakening"? I know they were just barely on the evening news, but I'm talking about the large number of police officers and civillians at the scene. There were several points where the clan (especially the Trio on the car) was fighting out in the open, exposed by headlights and everything. And I could have sworn Matt saw Goliath, or at least realised that Goliath and Elisa were connected after she shouted out his name. But when the next season started, Matt still had no clue, and the Gargoyles were still generally regarded as a myth. Is that just an extreme case of good luck, or were they not as out in the open during the fight as I thought?
Less than YOU thought, clearly. Matt and Elisa weren't together after Coldstone threw that car, so he didn't make ANY connection between her and Goliath. Also, we had the broken fire-hydrant obscuring things. But Matt and Morgan and QUITE A FEW OTHER PEOPLE did see the gargs, etc.
But that wasn't the first time. There was still no proof. Matt knew what he saw, but didn't know how to pursue it. The Daily Tattler reported the sightings, but the "legit" papers wouldn't touch it for just that reason. So the public at large did not believe.
Hello! First of all, I thought I should say that I really love Gargoyles, I write role playing games and a lot of Fae concepts comes from the show. So, without further ado:
At the end of "Ill Met By Moonlight", Oberon says something like "From now on you and your clan shall be imune to all our powers" to Goliath. You have mentioned before that Oberon uses the royal "we", or "us", or "our", but says "I" if it would be confusing otherwise. This is certainly a confusing instance. I hope by "our" powers he dosn't mean the powers of all Fae? I couldn't remember if any of the clan are affected by Fae powers after Ill Met. (Unless "Future Tense" was after it?)
Just his. And of course he "bends" THAT rule all the time too.
In "The Thrill of the Hunt," Fox and Wolf were arrested when the photographer took pictures of them holding a women hostage. Don't you think that, while he was busy getting pictures, he would have taken the time to photograph Goliath too? I mean, that would seem a bit more noteworthy to me than two TV stars turning bad. Why didn't he?
I don't think he intended to photograph Fox and Wolf either. He was stunned, paralized. But his camera had an auto-shutter and he was pressing down on the button. Fox and Wolf were standing right where his models had been. So he got them on film. Goliath was out of view. The photographer didn't have the presence of mind to do anything but stand there. Rewatch the episode. I'm not making this up. That's what happened.
"METAMORPHOSIS" - a big favourite of mine.
I liked Derek after "HER BROTHER'S KEEPER"; I suppose his situation was so believable and yet immensely gripping.
But "METAMORPHOSIS" stunned me. I remember that I timed this episode for some reason - I think I'd assumed up until then that cartoons were cut to exactly 20 minutes and wanted to check it out just out of curiosity. So when I was timing it I was thinking "yeah, right - how long until he gets his cure?" Despite everything, I thought they'd suddenly turn up with a cure eventually. Of course, when my watch told me the thing had been running 19 minutes, my eyebrow raised.
The ending was incredible. I was hooked. I just had to know what happened to Talon. In fact, GMTV never showed it. Eventually I caught "THE CAGE" on the Disney Channel (which I didn't have access to when they showed the episodes first time around). In fact, I think the first episode I saw on TDC that I hadn't already seen was "THE CAGE", which pleased me. That was great too.
I think the whole business of Sevarius' death play and the serum bothered me. How on earth could they have timed it so precisely that Sevarius had his serum to smash at the same time the "Gargoyles" arrived, and that he could be sure of a good way to "die".
Well, keep in mind that the serum was phony. A test tube full of stuff could be ready at any time. And I think that hidden earpieces played a roll. We assumed that Lex got them into Gen-U-Tech without being spotted, but that's unlikely.
Just think about it. It's not as hard to time it as it might seem.
A very close observation always reveals an error,
(of course with Gargoyles this is a rare occasion):
At the end of CITY OF STONE part four, when the whole clan is watching the steel clan blow up and the sky is burning, When we see the feet of the clan, I saw an ankle braclet on a gargoyle (I think it was Goliath). As it is before Angela was even heard of, it can't be her and Demona was taken away by the Weird sisters. Is it an animation glitch or did one of the gargoyles go mad and think he was a female or something.
Males can wear anklets. But what color was the gargoyle?
Temptation> While this may pale at getting a body-bagged corpse through, don't Goliath and Demona go through a plate glass window in the course of their fight? I've been told that is, for want of a better term, a big no-no in children's television.
Generally, it is. I remember that we had a big discussion about it. I don't remember how we got it through.
Read your "Temptation" Ramble, and there were a few things that I would love to point out about that episode.
First off: I loved the leather jacket and HOW brooklyn folded his wings under his arms. He really did look good in that episode. ^_^
Second: The bike. It was a cool bike! BUT, the bikers when they see it say: "Cool Hog." Now, okay people who don't know much about motorcycles would refer to any bike as a hog, but these Biker's would know better. A Hog is a Harley Davidson...and Lex's creation looked nothing like a Harley. I dunno if that was you, or somebody else. But oh well, it was still a cool bike.
Third: The spell. Now Elisa says: "I want you to act, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, as if you weren't under a spell." Wouldn't that in sense nullify some future spells on the big guy? I mean sure, Puck's spell worked well, cause he still ACTED like he wasn't under a spell. Were you maybe planning on keeping with this for future continuity?
oh, and I LOVE your little analizations (sp?) of the episodes. It really lets us get more into your head, and into the world of the Gargoyles.
The 'hog' reference was ultimately my responsibility. (Obviously, I know next to nothing about motorcycles.) Though Michael and Brynne Reaves (the story editor and writer) can share some of the blame.
As for the spell, it would have to be a case-by-case thing. But most spells would not be affected.
Hello, Greg! In "City of Stone: Part 4" MacBeth was going to throw Demona over the bridge in Xanatos' castle in the selarium, but Goliath talked MacBeth out of it. By doing this, Goliath saved both Demona and MacBeth's lives. Now, Goliath could have gotten rid of 2 of his biggest enemies, but he convinced MacBeth that "Death is never the answer, life is." This is proof that Goliath still has feelings for Demona. He could have easily let MacBeth kill her if he didn't love her, but he still does. SO......my question to you is -- this is proof that Goliath still loves, or at least still has feelings for Demona, I am correct?? Please let me know, Greg. I really appreciate it!! :)
I hate to encourage you. Because frankly Goliath would have said the same thing to Macbeth if Mac had been threatening to kill Xanatos or Tony Dracon or anybody. (By the way, Macbeth wasn't threatening to throw Demona off the bridge. He was threatening to impale her on a jagged piece of metal debris that had fallen from one of the upper floors.)
On the other hand, I never denied that Goliath still has strong feelings for and about Demona. When they finally capture her in "The Reckoning" he won't consider killing her. But what I do deny, is the notion that he still loves her romantically. That ended decisively with "Vows". But theirs is a complex relationship. And feelings don't go away, don't vanish. They simply alter with time and experience.
A question about "Deadly Force": my sister watched this show the first time it aired(I was at class, ugh:), and she is certain that in the scene where Broadway put Elisa on the gurney outside the hospital, she saw a quick shot of Broadway's hands, from his POV, covered with blood(right after he raises his hands and gasps). She didn't record the ep, and the next time it aired, the scene seemed to have been cut. Was there such a scene, that got cut out due to being too graphic?
In any event, I thought it was a great episode as far as stressing gun safety. I have a pro-gun friend who HATES the ep, though. He insists that it's "anti-gun". Was that the message you intended? I didn't think it was anti-gun, personally...
I don't think anything was cut, but we may have down the blood in retakes. I know we did in the scene that ends act one, with Elisa lying on the floor.
I think it was more pro-gun-responsibility than anti-gun. Goliath uses a gun. Elisa has good reason to have one.
On the other hand, I won't pretend that it was PRO-gun. It was designed to give kids a healthy fear and respect for firearms. I'm not sure how ANYONE could object to that. But I'm sure Charleton Heston could find a way.
I just re-watched "Vows" on Toon Disney last night and I have two questions:
1. When and how did the Xanatos time loop begin?
2. If the loop had never existed, would Demona have become so evil and betrayed the clan?
1. It's circular. It doesn't begin, it loops. Otherwise, it depends on your point of view.
2. Everything's part of the whole. I don't know how to remove pieces of the tapestry and answer how things would have gone without them.
Not to beat a dead horse, but as I'm sure you can ALL see, I'm not too fond of hypothetical questions.