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Demona Taina writes...

This is a question, and a ramble as well. :)

If the show comes back on the air, will it have the same title? Would the show be called "Gargoyles" or end up with another title just like, dare I say, "Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles"?

I hope it is titled "Gargoyles." Most of the shows that are renamed for reasons unknown to me, end up with idiotic titles that include the word "adventure" in one way or another. Those kinds of titles make the show look idiotic, or simply for kids, even if the show is good.

For example, "The New Batman/Superman Adventures." It deals with lunatics, with a dark city, but the title makes it look childish, like it was meant for kids only and not for young adults as well.

Yes, the dreaded word in titles: "adventure." Every time I see that word in a title I cringe. I don't know why, I just do.

There are also other words that can make a show look childish. Such as: "new," "fantastic," and of course, the word "man" after an adjetive, verb or noun. "Batman," "Superman," "Iron Man," "Spider Man," "X-Men".. I could go on and on.

I like shows with short titles; titles that get to the point and are easy to write. And not only shows, but with fanfics, even artists.

If I can't come up with a one-word title for something, I always try to shorten it to two words. Strong, dramatic words that explain the whole thing. :)

There was, and I think there still is, a show on Kids WB with the longest name of them all. "The Cat and Birdy Warneroonie Pinky Brainy Big Cartoony Show." Or something close to that. I think they changed it later on to "Cat and Bunny Superloonie Pinky Brainy Big Cartoony." It was so confusing..

I admit it was amusing to hear those characters sing that name over and over again, along with the little rhymes, but it gets old quickly, doesn't it?

Long words, along with titles, can, at times, be fun. For example, Mary Poppin's Supercalifragilisticespialidocious. :) I used to sing along with her and her friends. Just that word, over and over again. I could never sing the rest of the song, because, well, my English wasn't good enough to understand the whole thing. [laughs]

Back to "Gargoyles." Short title, and it goes right to the point. Not to mention that the word "gargoyle" alone sounds very dramatic and gothic, just like the show itself. :)

Ooh, I'm rambling. Well, back to the questions. :)

1) Will Gargoyles have the same title if it comes back on the air?

2) And if it doesn't, will it have a dramatic and short title?

3) If not, will it have the word "ADVENTURE" on it? [prays that you say yes to #2]

I think odyssey is the best replacement there is for the word "adventure," but that's just me. :)

Anyway, thank you for your time, Greg. :)

Greg responds...

1. Obviously, there's no way for me to know that now. But assuming we're not doing a spin-off series, that would be my first choice. As I'm sure you know, I'm fond of one word titles myself. (Although, I hope I'm not quite as rigid about it.)

2. No, a flacid paragraph.

3. That was sarcasm up in two.

Response recorded on September 09, 2000

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DarkElf writes...

Will Gargoyles Ever Return either to TV or to Video?

Greg responds...

I hope so.

Response recorded on September 09, 2000

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aXvXia writes...

*hope you enjoyed the gathering cause i couldnt go! poop!*

I know what you're thinking, mr. weisman: "NOo! Not another August 7th post! I'm just one man, dammit!" i totally sympathize with you, but i just have to ask:

**How much money (on average) would you say it took to produce an average episode of gargoyles with the normal character cast having speaking parts??
I just wanted to know, cause i know alot of people who would, if they knew where to send it, give money to see GARGOYLES back on the air.

Thanks for your time and efforts Mr.Weisman, and if there is anything you need for me to do for you (posts,etc) just say so in your answering post.

Greg responds...

You mean just the voice recording or the entire episode?

If the latter, it cost just under half a million dollars per episode.

Response recorded on August 23, 2000

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Laura 'ad astra' Ackerman writes...

It is so nice to see my own questions answered. Especially when I know I posted my first few in a rather large batch and should have more to look forward to shortly. Thank you.

In answer to my question you wrote- "I haven't given up in any way, shape or form. I'm still in there trying to come up with ways to bring the show back in some, well, way, shape or form. In fact, I've got a new nefarious plan in the works now with Doug Murphy, a former GARGOYLES (and BAD GUYS) storyboard artist. Too soon to talk about now, but give me time."

Well I certainly hadn't thought you had given up- just that you didn't have much in the way of hope. I am glad neither is true. And as or evil and/or nefarious plans… well those are always good. As soon as you are willing to share them I am ready and willing to hear them.

As you said, the fans have not given up either. I wish I could go to the convention. There is only the very slimmest chance. I would have said no chance, but dangling guest artists in front of me is a real temptation. Still, I will start informing the Dreamer Clan, (and anyone who might listen), about the importance of the LA con.

Greg responds...

I have (at minimum) a three-tiered plan right now.

The main way you guys can help is -- here he goes again -- by attending the GATHERING 2001 in Los Angeles next summer.

But I also have two other things in the works that I hope to unveil between now and then. Or at the latest at the convention itself.

Response recorded on August 21, 2000

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Abigail Thorne writes...

Your posts of the Episode Memos (which are unbearably cool, in my humble opinion) got me thinking about something. You know how some shows have episode guide books that include plot summaries, behind-the-scenes info, bloopers, cast interviews, favorite scenes/quotes, and tons of trivia (for example, the various Star Trek series, The X-Files, and the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" Watcher Guide)? Have you ever considered publishing an episode guide for "Gargoyles"? If it sold well, Disney might consider reviving the series. Just a thought.

Greg responds...

I'd love to. Do you know any publishers who might be interested? (Cuz unfortunately, I don't.)

Response recorded on August 21, 2000

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Brandon Hardy writes...

Could you tell me some way to contact disney in some way I'm trying my hardest to support the show because i have high hopes of gettihg back on. Thank you

Greg responds...

Again, at this point, the best way to support the show and get it back on the air is to attend the GATHERING 2001 in Los Angeles next summer. Bring friends. Particularly friends with kids. But TONS of people are the best way for us to show the execs that the show needs to be revived.

Response recorded on August 21, 2000

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mike writes...

hi i love gargoyles and really want to see new episodes and was really looking forward to new episodes please if in the near future would you ever think about new episodes??? because i know that it's on toon disney but please ???

Greg responds...

Not really up to me. But if you want to see New episodes, the best thing you can do is to show up at the GATHERING 2001 in Los Angeles next summer. If we get enough people, we'll bring Disney execs and show them what they're missing.

Response recorded on August 21, 2000

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Damien writes...

I've just recently gotten into Gargoyles and love it so far, especially Demona. I have to say that I really feel sorry for the way she's been treated by humans in the past and it explains her behaviour when she meets Goliath again.
I loved the animation, even 'Enter Macbeth' wasn't that bad (the storyline compensates for the animation I suppose).
I'd have to say that the overall concept (good monsters fighting evil) was aimed at kids. But the individul
episodes, plots and storylines (including Shakespeare characters and plays) attracted an older audience.
I love the idea of the interspecies romance between Elisa and Goliath. It brings the two races together. This also probably attracted an older audience. If gargoyles was ever revived on television again, would you consider putting it on a channel that more adults watched? It might help the ratings of the show.
I was disappointed to learn that the I was watching re-runs of the show.
I can't wait to see the movie and I'm sure it will encourage Disney to revive the show again.

Greg responds...

I'd put the show on whatever channel would take it, frankly.

Response recorded on August 19, 2000

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Anonymous writes...

Comment for thought: When I went to some "The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest" sites, I saw a note that the producers had sent to answer questions about how they linked the '90's version to the 70's version of the show. The new writers stated that they, being big Quest fanatics, had looked over the old series, the 80's series, and two movies. They decided that the two movies and 80's series didn't conform to the 70's series so they said that the movies and 80's series would be nice fiction but, as far as they were concerned, never existed. If and when you ever bring "Gargoyles" back, you could just say that TGC were nice episodes but they had nothing to do with "Gargoyles" and you can start from where you left off.

Greg responds...

I'm leaning toward not including those 12 episodes in the canon, and if necessary, using the internet to explain.

But it won't be my decision alone, unfortunately.

Response recorded on August 02, 2000

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Phil (repost by Aris) writes...

Greg, thanks for your time.

I'd like to offer my treatise on the status of Disney TV animation. As a former development exec you're uniquely qualified to comment on my thoughts. This can go under the category: Bringing Gargoyles Back.

First let me say that I became a Gargoyles fan because I was already a Disney fan. I enjoyed almost everything on the Disney Afternoon: Gummi Bears, Tale Spin, Aladdin, etc. (My friends joke that if Pokemon were renamed Disney's Pokemon I'd love that too.)

Although Disney's acquisition of Captial Cities/ABC was a great move for the company as a whole, it was a blow to the creativity level of TV animation. After its first eclectic year of finishing off projects in progress, Disney's Saturday morning lineup hit its stride with "One Saturday Morning." An entire line-up of cartoons on a single theme: pre-teens in school.

I really enjoyed Doug, Recess, and Pepper Ann at first. Now, however, in their third (Doug's fourth) seasons, it's getting a little redundant. Even last week's premier of a new show, The Weekenders, was somewhat familiar. Disney's syndicated series (formerly Disney Afternoon, now Disney's One Too) are also the same ones we see on Saturday.

This doesn't bode well for the return of Gargoyles. Unless your Dark Ages spinoff focuses on the trio as kids, it just doesn't fit into the precast mold. What's a Gargoyles fan to do? Barring Saturday morning and syndication, I see two other alternatives.

First, the hour-long prime-time drama. This is an intriguing and exciting idea. Something new and different. A recent USA Today interview with Bob Iger (Disney's new president) vaunted his support for new and different ideas. A dramatic cartoon, however, may be a little too different.

A second obstacle to the prime-time drama idea is the change in audience. Goliath's clan would require too much review and explanation to get a new audience up to speed. Perhaps one of the spin-offs that doesn't have as much pre-established history would work in this format (Pendragon, New Olympians).

That leaves only one viable option for the Manhattan clan: Toon Disney. The Disney Channel started its sister operation over a year ago to compete with the Cartoon Network owned by AOL / Time / Warner / Turner / Hanna-Barbera / etc. (PS: How does that compare to Xanatos's conglomeration? Sorry. Separate question, separate post.)

There is one primary difference between Cartoon Network and Toon Disney: original programming. As much as I like Gummi Bears, DuckTales, Tale Spin, etc., a man can only watch so many reruns. I see this as an excellent outlet for pent up creativity in the Disney TV animation department. They could go beyond the cookie cutter Saturday shows and direct-to-video movie sequels and do new and different things with less risk, since Toon Disney does't rely on advertising.

Toon Disney could ovbiously benefit from a little corporate attention. Their decision not to show "Deadly Force" tells me that there's not a lot of thought going into programming. Whatever is gathering dust in the Disney and DIC vaults is put on the air as long as it's appropriate for little kids, according to some clerk.

It is my conclusion that the best bet for bringing back Gargoyles is Toon Disney, but only if the Company is seriously interested in making it a competitive challenger to the Cartoon Network and not just a dumping ground for old programs.

This turned out to be a longer ramble than I expected, but thanks again for your time, Greg.

Greg responds...

Toon Disney, as far as I know right now, does not have the budget to make new episodes of ANYTHING.

And I don't see anyone making an hour primetime animated drama anytime soon.

So in the short term, neither of your suggestions seems viable.

But I'm in this for the long haul. And over time, things change. Syndication is dismal, but ABC's Saturday Morning could shake up. Once upon a time, the Disney Channel had no budget for original programming either. Now they do. They currently aren't interested in Gargoyles. (I know. I asked.) But that could change in a year or two. (And if the live-action movie comes out, it could change overnight.) And some day, Toon Disney could get the money to make something.

Even the primetime arena could change.

And tv is no longer our only resource.

So don't give up. Four years ago, I warned everyone that bringing GARGOYLES back had become a long-term quest. So far most of you have stuck with me. Stick it out a few years longer. I really do think your loyalty will pay off.

Response recorded on August 01, 2000


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