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Lazarus writes...
Given the recent trend in American animation (more violence and other, darker, elements), if there were to be a new Gargoyles series, would it be darker than the original? Or would it still be targeted for a 16 and under audience?
Greg responds...
I don't agree that you've described the recent trend in American animation at all. Quite the reverse, I think there's been a sad backlash -- caused mostly by video games, etc.
Animation is getting softer, not harder. Lighter, not dramatic. The percieved (not real) failure of Prince of Egypt, convinced everyone that drama doesn't play in feature animation. Anime is still seen as peripheral. And the crossover hit is Pokemon, which is as fluffy and light as things come. I can't sell a drama to save my life right now.
As to how that relates to Gargoyles. It doesn't. Not if I was in charge. The tone wouldn't change in either direction. Because the show I made was the show I wanted to make. And that wouldn't change.
Alan "Ordell" Coleman writes...
Okay, best case senario: you;re given a thirteen episode contract for the restoration of Gargoyles by Disney or any other company airing in prime-time in an hour long format. You get a 2-4 minute intro saying that the series known as The Goliath Chronicles are null and void except for The Journey. My question is: what would you do with your thirteen episodes? Would you carry on the series as it had before, short stories that when looked on afterwards made up a chapter in a much greater tale? Or would you try to cram as much into them as possible, making things possible for the spin-offs and pleasing the fans (Timedancer, Bad Guys, etc.)?
Greg responds...
All right first of all, I love the idea of hour long episodes. I sure as hell don't care whether or not it's in prime time, but it would be great to be able to tell hour-long stories. Hell, I'd be happy doing half-hours as long as I could have as many two-parters as I wanted. (Like for almost every story.)
I'd never want to do something as clumsy as opening with a "2-4 minute intro". See some earlier Ramblings, on my current thoughts on how I'd handle the non-canon material.
But now, on to your either/or question. Although, I object to the word "cram", I'd be attempting to do both of the options you suggested. Yes. Stories that are part of the tapestry. But yes, setting various arcs in motion simultaneously. Mostly to please myself, as I did on my original run, and hoping that, as before, what I want would largely please fans (new and old) as well. Just like I've always done.
Cindy the Werewolfling writes...
Hey Greg . . . I've been having little birds chirp in my ear, they've been saying that Gargoyles is getting made again . . . Do you know anything about it?
Greg responds...
Nope. What birds are these?
lisa writes...
on a scale of 1-10 10 being the highest what are the chances of gargoyles ever getting restarted?
Greg responds...
You mean in the short term or long term?
lisa writes...
have you gotten any publishers interest in your gargoyles encyclopedia?
Greg responds...
Nope. Do you know anyone?
Darkling writes...
Hi Greg,
I just read the post where you said the long term chances for getting a Gargoyles series back on the air were 'good to very good'. Since you've worked on CGI shows now, do you think a future Gargoyles show would benefit from being CGI, or would you prefer traditional animation?
Greg responds...
It would depend on the show.
I think G2158 would be perfect for CGI. But I'd hate to do Dark Ages in CGI, though maybe not for the reasons you think.
Jade writes...
Dear Gerg,
1. I think all of us want to know this one question WILL THE GARGOYLES COME BACK ON? If so will it continue with The Goliath C's or with Gargoyles? I've read every thing you wrote and it sounds like you really disliked The Goliath C's. Man I dislike it two I mean one day New York knows not a thing about the Gargoyles then the next they all know to me it just semed dum--sorry.
Greg responds...
Gerg refers you to the "Bringing Gargoyles Back" portion of the archives. And to my various recent "Ramblings".
Aaron writes...
Assuming you could get the show restarted, and you wanted to ignore TGC (except The Journey), why not try the Dallas solution? (ie, the whole season was a bad dream)
Greg responds...
Don't think it's not tempting. See the Ramblings archive for my current thinking on how to deal with TGC. Then let me know if you think it would work.
Spring French writes...
I just want to say i love the show. my children and i watch it together. i love every part of the show. you know how some shows you say to your self man they are crapy to night, well not gargoyles it is truely one of the greats. I write (email) Disney every other day and ask them to bring it back for new seasons. although i bet it wont do me any good.
Greg responds...
It can't hurt.
Thank you for your kind words. Gargoyles is the thing I'm proudest of in my professional life. I'm glad it worked for you as well.
Zeliard writes...
If Gargoyles ever returns (I do mean ever), will you do things differently from your Master Plan?
Greg responds...
From the "MASTER PLAN". No. Not really.
Will some details change? Of course. Maybe a lot of details. Gotta be open to discovery.
Jade writes...
Dear Greg,
I've been waiting sooo long to write to you. First off I would like to thank you for making such a great cartoon! It really helped me though some hard times in my life. And also so I think it's sooo swert of you to be taking your time to anwer all of the questions. So here are mine. 1. Is there any way of getting the Gargoyles back on? If so how, because I've writen many letter trying to get it back on and it does seem to be working?
2. How did you thank up such a great cartoon, I mean it's great-I love it and I'm really upset about it being takein off?
3. What did Micbeth think off the World Wars, did he go in em?
4. Why did Angela choose Broadway over the others was it because she knew he was sweet or was it the chocolates he gave her when he first saw her?
5. Will Angela's brothers and sisters come by some time to say hi or stay at the castle?
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND SORRY ABOUT THE ENGLISH I'M A TEEN.
Greg responds...
1. Jade, I'm going to suggest you refer to the archives. I've answered this over and over. Try "Bringing Gargoyles Back" in the current archive, or several in depth posts on this topic in the old archive.
2 - 5. You're so enthusiastic about the show and about asking your questions, I hate to respond this way, but we have rules. Questions on separate topics must be posted separately.
Please, post again, and I'll try to be more forthcoming.
Miscellaneous...
My DC Comics editor finally sent me a few copies of that Justice League comic with the Captain Atom/Gargoyles story. I had forgotten just how many Gargoyle in-jokes I put in that story. There's much more there for a Gargoyle fan then for a Captain Atom fan. Though I think the scenes of Cap kissing Bette (and the mention of Las Vegas) would make a couple people (Simon Del Monte, Melissa Page, for example) a bit nostalgic. I think the story turned out pretty well. Anyway, I'm happy. My editor made a couple small changes. He removed the two references to the year the story took place (1991). And he changed the title. It was called something like: "An Exercise in Self-Indulgence". Now it's called "The Flashback of Notre Dame". Both are accurate, but his is much more clever.
Lately, I've been giving away a lot of ASK GREG tidbits for some reason. Not sure why. I'm just in the mood, I guess. But it suddenly occured to me to register this caveat.
There's canon and there's canon.
As far as I'm concerned the only true canon is the 66 episodes of the series running from "Awakening, Part One" through "The Journey". As many of you know, I don't like to consider the other twelve episodes of Goliath Chronicles to be canon, let alone whatever other stories got published by Marvel or Disney Adventures Digest or whatever.
But to be honest, even some of my ASK GREG answers cannot truly be considered canon. They're closer. But I won't be held to them in any absolute sense. Part of the wonder of producing the first two seasons of Gargoyles involved things discovered along the way. I won't etch things in stone (pun intended) just for the sake of making these ramblings and off-the-cuff answers sacrosanct. If I got the chance to produce the show (or one of its spin-offs) again, I'd ABSOLUTELY incorporate much of what's here. But I'd be a fool not to hold everything up to a microscope and decide with consideration what would and wouldn't be best for the new series.
Having said that, I've been giving some particular thought to G2158 recently, studying timelines for example. And I've changed a few things in my head. Nothing major. But certain things have changed that would in turn effect things in TimeDancer and present-day Gargoyles. Maybe even New Olympians and Pendragon. (So far nothing that would alter Bad Guys or Dark Ages.)
The good news is that none of these changes effect our three current contests. (Wouldn't that be an ASK GREG disaster?)
And all this thought has gotten me thinking about how I might handle a couple of thorny problems in any revival of the original series, specifically the time gap between 1996 and whenever the new show hit the air, and/or the existence of those 12 non-canon Chronicle episodes.
And frankly, I think the internet is the answer.
Goliath Chronicles exists. I can't change that. But I think I can ignore it. For example, if I wanted to do my version of the trial of Goliath -- the one where the question before the court is his very sentience -- couldn't I just do it?
New fans wouldn't know about the Chronicles trial and thus wouldn't be upset about it. Old fans could check here and find out why it was being ignored.
That only leaves a small percentage of people, who, for example, see the Chronicles episode on Toon Disney and wonder about it, but don't have the resources or whatever to find a site like this and learn the rationale. Would they be very put off? Is that too selfish an approach for me to take?
Likewise, the time gap. What if in the fist season, I did that Halloween story I've mentioned before. I wouldn't mention what year it was. For a new audience, they'd just assume that the story took place in say, October 2002. No harm done. But I could post here and tell people it took place in 1996. Then, by the end of the first season, I could have the series caught up to 2002, but still have gotten to do the stories that would have depended (continuity-wise) on proximity to the events in Hunter's Moon and The Journey.
What about that?
I'm very interested in all of your opinions on these notions. Please post them here.
Siren writes...
With all these novels from movies and television out now a days, has it ever crossed your mind that you might come out with a series for Gargoyles? Can you even if you wanted to? Because Disney might sole rights to the show...not that they use them. *sigh*
Greg responds...
I'd love to write a GARGOYLES novel. Have many ideas for just that. But Disney owns the rights. And it could be tough in a vacuum to get them and/or a publisher interested. Maybe, someday.
Chad Young writes...
I was wandering if you would be willing to start Gargoyles where you left off if a network like Cartoon Network or some other national network would ask you to? Although I don't think it would happen but I would like to see it happen. Thanks for your Time.
Chad Young a Gargoyles fan
Greg responds...
I'd love to pick up where I left off. (See the Rambling I posted earlier today.) Though it's not going to happen at Cartoon Network.
Coolsteem writes...
want to get more ping for the garg?
sell DvD CD,s.
So why don't I see anny?
Greg responds...
"Ping"?
Uh, choosing what to sell isn't up to me.
Oberons child writes...
Hi Greg, this is my first time to write a Question to you, so here goes:
If Disney don't intend to use the Gargoyles licence anymore, why don't they sell it to another company so that they can see what a mistake they made by cancelling it? (I would love to see their faces!)
By the way, thanks for a show which was (and will be) as good for the soul as it was for the mind!
Greg responds...
Who said Disney doesn't someday intend to use the property? I never did. As we speak, at least in theory, they are developing a live-action movie based on the property.
And think about what you wrote above. They'd never let anyone have it for just the reason you gave. Why take the chance that someone else would make them look foolish?
And, by the way, you're more than welcome.
Chris Guanche writes...
Hello. With Gargoyles airing on Toon Disney, has there been any renewed interest in the series? Is it getting good ratings on Toon Disney? I'm wondering this because it would be great if Disney could release the whole series on VHS or DVD. I'm sure if ratings were good they might consider releasing a limited edition or something. With Japanese anime so popular now, it would be good to bring back this "American anime" so to speak.
Greg responds...
I don't know what kind of ratings it's getting on Toon Disney. Good enough to still be airing, but not good enough to generate the kind of interest you're suggesting. Too bad.
Airwalker writes...
It's my understanding that you pitched both DARK AGES and GARGOYLES 2158 to CBS and that then CBS did away with it's Saturday Morning schedule and staff thus killing off further interest in either shows. But now that CBS has decided to restore animated shows to it's Saturday Morning schedule, do you think it might be possible to re-pitch those two shows to them?
Greg responds...
I never pitched G2158 to CBS, because everyone I knew there was booted before I got the chance.
And none of them are back, so the idea that the executives (Judy Price, specifically) who asked to see G2158 would now be interested again, since policy has changed somewhat (though not exactly as you have described it above) doesn't follow. Judy is still gone. Disney still owns Gargoyles and now they own ABC. So I don't see Gargoyles appearing on another network anytime soon.
lisa writes...
1.if the show doesnt get any interest renewal would you be able to continue the show on the internet?
Greg responds...
I don't own it. So I'd need to work something out with Disney. I keep trying to come up with some financial model to do that, but I haven't yet been successful.
lisa writes...
1.you mentioned that you were writeing a gargoyles encyclopedia have you gotten any publishers interest?
Greg responds...
I wish. But no...
Airwalker writes...
If Gargoyles was to come back in a sort of comic form, which of the following formats would you prefer and which do you think would be possible to put out without getting cancelled within a few months:
- A regular as usual 32 page Monthly comic book for 1.99
- An Archie Comic-like digest that would contain various short illustrated Gargoyles stories for about 3-5 dollars
- A full monthly magazine with a few illustrated Gargoyles stories, a few Gargoyles text pieces and some other various materials ala historical exploration material on various elements in the Gargoyles universe (Pendragon, Easter Island, etc) for about 6.95 or so
- An every few month's Trade paperback containing a whole storyline and a short text piece ala something like Usagi YoJimbo Trade paperbacks for 15 dollars.
Greg responds...
Well, I'd go for any of the above. Whatever we could get. (Though the last options seems impossible from a deadline stand-point. Are you sure those Trade Paperbacks aren't gathering together previously published stories.)
I guess it's no secret I'd love to publish a magazine akin to your third option. I guess that would be my first choice. Offering the most flexibility.
As for what would survive cancellation. I'm afraid I've been out of comics (both as a professional and as a reader) for too long to pretend any expertise.
Airwalker writes...
Even with Gargoyles off the air for all this time, do you think that it is still possible to do one of the Spin-offs like BAD GUYS or TIMEDANCER for example?
Greg responds...
Sure. Someday. Maybe. Why not? Who knows?
Airwalker writes...
With the rise of shows like BATMAN BEYOND, as well as the reappearance of shows like TRANSFORMERS and VOLTRON, plus the decline of Power Rangers - do you think that the atmosphere for a Gargoyles revival appears to be developing?
Greg responds...
Maybe. Trouble is, in my opinion, Disney's in a rut. They had some real success with a certain kind of show. Now they think that's the only thing that works. Tough to convince them to try to widen their sights at the moment.
But long term...
SPRING FRENCH writes...
have you thought about selling gargoyles to the "WB" warner brothers?please i need gargoyles back for new seasons.
Greg responds...
Disney owns Gargoyles. Not me. Not mine to sell. And I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Disney to sell it to their number one competitor.
Era Scarecrow writes...
I was wondering, i have seen most of the first part of the series, and a little of the goliath choronicles, i was wondering if you had the original scripts written as stories, or if there is a way to get a project started so all the episodes are as stories.
I want to read it the way it is suppose to be seen, and i can't find the scripts or certain episodes anywhere.
Oh yes, I love Gargoyles, you did a great job greg
Greg responds...
Uh...
I have a copy of all 66 scripts in script form.
But I'm not a clearing house and that's not really the way to experience the series anyway. Sorry. I'd recommend posting at the comment room to get copies of the episodes from your fellow fans.
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