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Gardita4Ever writes...

I love the Gardita relationship!! Thank you so much for creating such nice couple between two incredibly loved characters! I love them very much! Please don't let anything bad happen to this couple. You already destroyed my biggest OTP (One True Pairing) Spitfire D> Don't let Gardita suffer please!!!
What's Perdita and Garfield's birthdays if you don't mind asking?
How long have been Gar and Perdita together?
I'm really hoping they'll get married one day.

Greg responds...

1. I don't set actual birth dates unless there's a story reason. At the end of Team Year Eight, Perdita is 18 and Garfield is 16.

2. They met at Wally's funeral.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Marvelman writes...

Hi Greg,

Having watched the first half of season 3, I can honestly say that the writing on Young Justice is as sharp as ever. As always, some episodes like "Evolution" and "Nightmare Monkeys" are better than others, but that's going to be true of any show.

However, I recently re-watched "Depths" from season 2, and I have to say that the quality of the animation on Outsiders is just not at the level of the animation on seasons one and two. What would account for this? Is your budget smaller? Did you switch animation houses? Or, do you not agree with the premise of my question?

Don't get me wrong. I think the animation is okay. It's just not as good as prior seasons.

Greg responds...

Our budgets are technically higher, but are (with inflation) more or less the same. We did switch animation houses. But we had to. The world has changed. There's way more production in Seoul than there used to be. It's way more competitive for studios and artists over there.

But basically, I don't agree with the premise of your question. We've had mixed animation success in every season, with strong episodes and weak episodes and everything in between. I'd put the animation on "Nightmare Monkeys" up against anything we did in Seasons One or Two. And there are episodes in all three seasons that had us pulling our hair out over the animation. In the end, however, I think they all cleaned up respectably.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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John writes...

Was it batman who created the special eye contacts like in the like did the new 52? And isn't batman the most dangerous man in the world and one of the smartest?

Greg responds...

1. <shrug> I haven't given any thought as to who created the contacts. And I never read any of New 52.

2. I don't think of Batman as "dangerous." He's a badass, without a doubt. But I don't subscribe to the notion that Batman is the pinnacle of humanity. That seems to go against one of the core ideas of the character. So, is he smart? Yeah, duh. But is he the smartest? No. And though he knows a lot about a lot, as any detective should, there are many people who are experts in many subjects that he's not equal to.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Dan writes...

Did Garfield fell out of place being with the doom patrol because he had no powers at that time ?

Greg responds...

I'm not sure what you mean by "fell out of place"...? Is that a typo for "feel out of place"? Cuz if so, I don't think he did feel out of place.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Jason R. Carter writes...

What the hell happened to the Terror Twins? They look so old.

Greg responds...

They continue to mutate.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Havok writes...

1. How old is Mongul ?
2. How old is Lobo ?
3. How old was Olympia Savage ?
4. How old is Steel
5. How old is Metamorpho ?

Greg responds...

As of the end of Team Year Eight...

1. Mongul is biologically 52.

2. Lobo is biologically 46.

3. Asked and answered.

4. Steel is 28.

5. Metamorpho is 35.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Alex writes...

1. Did the Terror Twins and Devastation lose some of their strength over the years? They directly hit Nightwing and Black Lightning and both they recovered from it like it was a normal blow, did they become weaker or am I missing something?
2. I am a bit confused about Halo's color abilities mainly because I can't tell if her Violet and Indigo powers are different or the same because they looked very similar in terms of color. Could you clarify if they are different abilities or just the same one?
3. Also did her light ability against Shade a White or Blue color, it was kinda of hard to tell on the lighting.

Greg responds...

1. Nope.

1a. Not every blow is a killing blow.

2. As I'm color-deficient, I sympathize.

Here's the basic breakdown:

R - Shields
O - Flight
Y - Blasts
G - Holograms
B - Light
I - Boomtubes
V - Healing

3. Blue.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Alex writes...

1. Is there a reason the Light waited so long to replace Ocean Master with Black Manta? They seemed replace Ra's Al Ghul and the Brain in a much shorter period is there some reason they moved quicker this time?
2. Have they ever thought of increasing their ranks like the Justice League has done?
3. Has Gretchen Goode/Granny Goodness taken Black Manta's place on the light or is that specific seat more utilitarian than the others?
4. Did Sportsmaster ever want to be on the Light like Deathstroke eventually did?

Greg responds...

1. Not particularly.

1a. They had candidates they felt were ready.

2. Ever? Probably.

3. No seat is specifically assigned to a category.

4. Ever? Maybe. But that's not really his thing.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Marvelman writes...

In "Another Freak", Violet is complaining she feels weird. My first instinct was that she was having her period. There's a certain logic to that, right? Halo/Violet has scant memory of her life as Gabrielle, so it stands to reason she wouldn't know about menstruation. But, I was thinking, would Greg & Brandon really go there?

So, my question is: was this a deliberate fake-out on your part? Was that the initial conclusion you want the audience to draw? Or, are some of us reading too much into this?

Greg responds...

I think you were reading too much into that one moment. But it's a legit question.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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ShadowDJ writes...

Hey Greg, what happened to Lagoon Boy? Did he retire after Kaldur became Aquaman?

Greg responds...

By now you've seen a little tiny bit of La'gaan in Season Three.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Kyle writes...

Hello Greg,

While I adored both the first and second seasons of Young Justice, and I have gone on to enjoy many parts of the third, I have to say that as of right now, I am very disappointed with what I've seen so far of Outsiders. Please know that I mean absolutely no disrespect to you, Brandon, the writers, the crew, or the actual show, but I feel this needs to be said.

I have watched all thirteen available episodes (by the time you get to this ask, I'm more than sure the second half of the season will have already aired in its entirety and you'll be well on your way into making the fourth season *fingers crossed!*) and the show has yet to come through in the ways I -- and many, many others -- had hoped it would prior to the season's airing. By the time you read this, I hope my complaints will have already been resolved and you can tell me I should have been patient and waited for the whole thing to air, in which I would agree. Fair enough.

But as of right now my complaints are still very valid and I would very much appreciate you addressing them, if possible. (Honestly, chances are you have already addressed these issues by the time you read this, if not in the actual show then on your Twitter page or in an interview. If so, I am sorry for wasting your time with a subject you've already gone on to spend a great deal of time on, but if not, here we go.

The pure lack of LGBT+ representation is, frankly, appalling.

I mean no disrespect, but it is 2019 for crying out loud. Men can marry men and women can marry women; boys can dance with boys and girls can dance with girls at their high school proms; those of us that are non-binary can express such freely and openly, when with the right crowd.

You have gone on record saying that LGBT+ people exist on Earth-16; you've gone on record saying that there have even been LGBT+ members of the Team and yet, still, after thirteen full episodes AND a twenty-page comic story where you COULD HAVE represented LGBT+ people, you've failed to showcase even ONE character and/or relationship of the sort. All of the while finding the time in these very crowded episodes and comic for not one, not two, but THREE new straight couples.

There's Garfield Logan and Queen Perdita. Then there's Helga Jace and Jefferson Pierce. And then finally Prince Brion Markov and Violet Harper.

And that's not even counting the suggestion of a relationship between Will and Artemis. Or the hinting that Bear and Dreamer have become exclusive, which would pretty much go against everything the New Gods (Bear himself, specifically, if memory serves) had preached to Conner about them finding satisfaction when they all come together as one back in the first season, which I thought was a pretty interesting way to sneak in the idea of them all being in one big polyamorous relationship. Which would have been SO COOL and SO PROGRESSIVE for a show back then to do.

The one -- ONE -- actual confirmed LGBT+ character you've ever had on the show in its entirety, not just Season Three, was then killed BECAUSE of said-sexuality. The sexuality-in-question, might I add, that we don't even get to know for certain, as when you were asked if she was a lesbian or just bisexual, you simply commented "Yes," as if there wasn't a distinguishable difference between the two in the long run, which just simply isn't the case.

And that's not even really a confirmation since it's plainly just Word-of-God in the grand scheme of things, rather than canon content that was stated out-loud or depicted, either on-screen or on-panel, in the comic. (I know that you weren't allowed to acknowledge it out-loud or in writing back then, so I'm not arguing on that. But you deciding to make her the ONLY LGBT+ character we ever got to see and then having her said-only character killed later in the same comic issue? Not only is it near-downright insulting, but it also fails to come across as anything other than a cheap and thoughtless try at representation.

(And with you and Brandon both going on about how you wanted to include an accurate representation of the world with a diverse cast, the pure lack of LGBT+ representation justs adds insult to injury.)

You've had significant time with Kaldur, who you hinted may not be entirely straight. And, yes, during most of that time with him you couldn't have genuinely acknowledged it either way in-show or out, but with Season Three, there is simply no such excuse. You've got the Brain and Monsieur Mallah, who, I'll admit, wouldn't exactly be my first choices for representation under any circumstances, but they still qualify. You've got Wonder Woman, who, albeit, wasn't confirmed bisexual until after YJ had finished its first two seasons.

But since the start of S3, the show has introduced us to Batwoman, a very prominent lesbian character on-par with Batman and the rest of the Bat-family; the show has given us a cameo of Renee Montoya; and, most recently, the show has given us the gay, married couple of Casey Klebba and Dale Gunn. Both of whom were in the same scene together with speaking lines and still -- STILL -- not even an ounce of content.

You've even introduced Harper Row, who I can't help but guess was only added to the character roster simply for the Harper-confusion joke. I'm hoping she will lead to actual, on-screen LGBT+ content in the next half of the season since that was one of her and her brother's most defining stories from the comics, but I'm no longer getting my hopes up.

And while I know you made no promises of actually having LGBT+ content in the third season, which I won't fault you for nor should anyone else, you KNEW you had a very large, very apparent LGBT+ fanbase. If you knew people were hopeful, don't string them along. If you honestly didn't have any LGBT+ content in store for us, just say so -- lest you be accused of queerbaiting down the line, and while it wouldn't be the case in technical terms in your case, it can still turn many, many fans against you.

Young Justice has and, up until I'm proven wrong, will always be a heteronormative show. The first season's finale got that message across loud and clear, with the second season's finale hammered it in, after you plopped in the surprise, secret romances of not one, but TWO more straight couples in the already-vast sea of straight couples. First, there was Virgil's surprise that Tye and Asami had gotten together, even though we got absolutely zero screentime showing anything of the sort, and was only included because, to you and Brandon, it "Felt right."

Then there's Tim and Cassie, who spent all five seconds of screentime together prior, with them only exchanging a conversation once. (Who then promptly leave each other's sides and enter a fight we're apparently meant to care about less than ten on-screen minutes later, in S3.)

And, now, Young Justice: Outsiders is pulling the same tricks but in a far worse fashion. The twelfth episode alone -- an episode all about Garfield going through nothing but hell, living through every trauma he's ever faced and then some, including the death of his LGBT+ mother, mind you -- ends with him kissing his girlfriend SECONDS AFTER recovering from nearly ending up catatonic. Because of hormones, or something.

Never mind the fact that he'd just rewatched many of his friends' deaths all over again, relived BOTH of his mothers' deaths, AND just realized that his boss -- someone who helped found a META-HUMAN YOUTH CENTER -- was using the Goode Goggles to abduct potential meta-teens and was continuously doing so, all over the country.

But, hey, let me make out with my girlfriend real quick first, right next to my sister and her fiance of the opposite sex, who then promptly make out as well, and just NOT rush to tell the proper authorities, the Justice League, the Team, or the Outsiders about ANY of this until after we're done showing just how straight we are to the audience.

I know this may come off as rude, critical, and/or entitled, but it is truly not what I wish for you to take away from this. Again, I mean no disrespect and do love -- LOVE -- many aspects of the third season, but some of the more recently established relationships and the actions that result from those relationships are the weakest links of an otherwise fantastic show.

I know I may be way off the mark/way too impatient and you actually ARE setting up stories with LGBT+ characters and relationships for the second half of S3, big or small.

If that's the case, I am truly sorry for wasting your time.

But I feel this needed to be said, and while I believe you already know this, I'll say it anyway for the other readers on this site: hinting that a character is LGBT+ off-screen (i.e. in a Tweet or an interview or something) does not adequately represent LGBT+ people at all. Either say it out loud and on-screen/on-panel or just, you know, show it on-screen/on-panel -- otherwise, what do you actually accomplish besides later being able to cry wolf and say that you had LGBT+ characters on-screen and therefore cannot be accused of NOT having them?

Once again, I'm sorry if this came across as critical and/or insulting to you, Brandon, your team of amazing writers/animators/voices, etc., but I promise you all that was not my intent in the slightest, and I hope when you get the time to respond to this (assuming it makes it to you, which I hope it does) it will be to say that I just jumped the shark, so to speak, a little too soon and that LGBT+ characters are all over the second half of S3, confirmed on-screen. It would be amazing, if so.

If not, though, then I would greatly, greatly appreciate an honest answer of why you and Brandon still haven't shown LGBT+ characters/relationships on-screen or on-panel, despite having no restrictions preventing you.

Sincerely,

Kyle

Greg responds...

Hey Kyle,

You were very polite. I have no problem with what you wrote. As you noted, I'm hoping that by now you've seen that we have - where we were allowed - objectively shown LGBTQ+ characters since the time you posted this. Hopefully, you were pleased with what we depicted. And, in any case, there's more to come in Season Four.

Still, I would like to respond to some of your points, as some of the people reading this may not know all we've dealt with on this subject.

1. I just want to point out that in the first two seasons, the video game and the companion comics that we've done up to this point, we were not allowed to objectively depict any LGBTQ+ characters or relationships. So we did the next best thing, which was to write and depict them with consistency for the day when we could.

2. Even in Season Three, TPTB wouldn't let us objectively reveal that one specific character, whom we had (in our minds) set up as gay, was gay - though they did let us depict others LGBTQ+ characters objectively. So we took the S1&2 approach to this one character.

3. As you hopefully have seen by now, we did have plans for LGBTQ+ characters in Season Three, and it's a justifiable complaint, I think, to ask why none of that was depicted in the first thirteen. But we wanted to introduce this stuff organically, and it just worked out for it to be back thirteen stuff. Not trying to defend that, per se. But that's how our stories broke down.

4. Killing off Garfield's mother is consistent with him being an orphan in the comics. I guess we could have kept her heterosexual as she was in the comics, since we knew she was going to die. But we didn't want to do that. It seemed to fit her character, and we didn't want to have one less LGBTQ+ character only because she was going to die.

5. I won't apologize for depicting heterosexual/heteronormative relationships simply because we've had restrictions on LGBTQ+ depictions. Chris Jones and I did equalize the scenes between Queen Bee & Marie Logan and Queen Bee & Ali in an issue of the comic. When TPTB wouldn't allow us to show Bee & Marie kiss, Chris and I wouldn't let Bee & Ali kiss either, as they were exact parallel scenes. But generally, we want to be able to be as honest as possible with relationships. So we're not going to create artificial restrictions when we don't have to.

6. Specifically, Garfield had a cathartic experience in "Nightmare Monkeys," and was grateful that his worried girlfriend had stuck by his side. The idea of them kissing at that moment wasn't us shoving heteronormative behavior in the face of LGBTQ+ viewers, it was us depicting what we believed was the honest and real response to all that had happened to both characters.

7. Bear and Dreamer being a couple is right out of the comics. In fact, in the comics they got married and had a kid. Now, of course, we could have changed that, but it seemed to fit what we were doing, so we didn't.

I'm not going to pretend that we've done justice (no pun intended) to these concerns, even including what we did in Season Three. But we believe the back thirteen episodes took a positive step forward, and we believe Season Four will take us multiple steps forward after that.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Anonymous writes...

Having watched Young Justice for all of its currently aired episodes, I can't help but feel that the quality seems to be going down every season. Season 3 is so unfocused and I had the same problem with season 2 as compared to season 1. You seem to be juggling too many characters and as a result not doing justice to any. Why haven't you kept the focus on a set of characters instead of trying to include every DC character for a couple of seconds apiece? I feel very let down by the treatment of characters like Zatanna and especially Wally. You pitched Wally as a main character and then gave him no story arc and killed him off. I really was very angry at that. Why didn't you give Wally a more meaningful storyline before killing him off and why has the focus been so scattered in season 3?

Greg responds...

I'm sorry you don't like it, but we like it. We have, of course, focused the action on about six to eight characters every season, while touching on a bunch of others here or there. That hasn't really changed. We just may not be focusing on the characters YOU would like us to focus on, so your mileage may vary. We feel we did give Wally an arc in Season Two. Sorry you didn't care for it, but, again, we were pleased with it.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Tom Cave writes...

How old is Katana in YJ: Outsiders?

Greg responds...

Asked and answered.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Charles writes...

Hopefully you are feeling generous when you get this, are there any events during the time skips between Season One and Two and Season Two through Season Three that you could give away like a preview or a tagline? I remember something similar to this. "This day in Gargoyles History", and I don't expect anything as detailed as that, but it would help with the timeline on the Young Justice wiki and add some context to what the Team did during that time to become who they are today.

Greg responds...

I absolutely could. I absolutely won't.

Nearly everything in "This day in Gargoyles History" was previously established.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Kevin writes...

1. At the end of the Rock of Age Peredur mentioned he was going to call a meeting of the upper echelons. Up to what levels/ranks was he make up the upper echelons? Are there other echelons as well?
2. Do ranks in the IIlluminati mean anything or is it at a certain level that it's semantics in terms of their role? I only ask because Blanchefleur was a three and it seemed like she should be a two since she is the wife of Peredur.
3. Thanks for creating Gargoyles and developing Young Justice they really are unique works of art and they bring great joy to me and my friends, I hope Young Justice gets picked up for more seasons and Gargoyles comes back as well!

Greg responds...

1. No spoilers.

1a. You mean are there lower echelons? Cuz, yeah.

2. They mean everything.

3. Me too!

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Anonymous writes...

Do Conner and M'gann treat Jonathan (Lois and Clark's son) as their nephew?

Greg responds...

Conner does, certainly. M'gann treats him as her boyfriend's nephew.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Saarai-kaar writes...

Hello there,

I know you likely get flooded with questions/pleas for a continuation for many of your works, and with the return of Young Justice, that seems to have stricken wishful thinking to many, myself included. The DC Animated Universe (DCAU) had similar scenarios in which storylines were continued via comics in otherwise discontinued mediums, but I digress.

Onto the question: do you believe there's even the faintest possibility that any of your works could be continued via comics, novels, or anything at all?

Greg responds...

I do believe that's possible. I've been constantly trying to make it possible for decades now.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Hafiz writes...

How old is Donna Troy?

Greg responds...

If you mean Troia, that's been asked and answered.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Nick writes...

1. How old is Victor Stone/Cyborg?
2. How old is Silas Stone?
3. How old is Cassandra Savage?
4. How old is Orphan?
5. How old is Kalibak?

Greg responds...

At the end of Team Year Eight...

1. Victor Stone is 18.

2. Silas Stone is 49.

3. Cassandra Savage is 16.

4. Orphan is 15.

5. Kalibak is biologically 24.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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YJ Fan writes...

I watched YJ episode 9 of season 3 and towards the end of the episode the light refers to nightwing by his real name. I understand that many of the other heroes don't take the same precaution to hiding their identity but the batkids are so secretive and Batman treasures his identity so they take extra precaution when maintaining it. Does this mean they also know Batman's identity? If they know the identities of nightwing and some of the other heroes why don't they expose them to the media and other people??? BTW I am so glad its back.

Greg responds...

The Light pretty much knows everyone's secret identity (though there are many exceptions). But Ra's knew Batman's identity.

What advantage is it to the Light to expose these heroes' identities to the media?

Knowledge is power. Shared knowledge reduces their power.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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K writes...

Vandal Savage was Marduk?! I think most of us in the audience assumed that Tula's presence as a Non-Player Character (NPC) in YJ: Legacy meant that her death would be part of the story line, but the fact! That her conclusion! That she had to sacrifice her life because MARDUK! THE IMMORTAL! VANDAL MARDUK IMMORTAL DEMIGOD SAVAGE! "sacrificed" his so-called "life!" is just... exquisitely painful. I hate it, but only because I love it. Way to reward the obsessives who must have every single piece of the story. Mostly I feel bad for Garth and Kaldur and the rest of the Aquapeople.

(Speaking of, thank you for Home Fires confirming that Mera and Orin's son is still alive. I have wondered about that on and on off ever since Downtime aired.)

As for questions:

1. How old was Olympia Savage when she was killed?
2. Did Olympia inherit the metagene?
3. Will we ever know who, exactly, read the part with the bear? (I'm kidding. I think.)

Greg responds...

1. She would have been 83 by the end of Team Year Eight. So she was either 82 or 83 when she died.

2. No spoilers.

3. ;)

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Some Guy writes...

1. How long has Katana been a member of the Justice League as of July 3rd, Team Year Eight?
2. How long has Steel been a member of the Justice League as of July 3rd, Team Year Eight?

Greg responds...

1. About six months.

2. Same.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Some Guy writes...

1. How long has Aquaman (Kaldur’ahm) been a member of the Justice League as of July 3rd, Team Year Eight?
2. How long has Batwoman been a member of the Justice League as of July 3rd, Team Year Eight?
3. How long has Fire been a member of the Justice League as of July 3rd, Team Year Eight?
4. How long has Hardware been a member of the Justice League as of July 3rd, Team Year Eight?
5. How long has Ice been a member of the Justice League as of July 3rd, Team Year Eight?

Greg responds...

1. About six months.

2. Same.

3. Same.

4. Same.

5. Same.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Ben Tseng writes...

Long-time fan of Young Justice here and beyond thrilled with Season 3 (although I'm bracing myself for the end-of-season after how you guys ended Season 2). Wanted to ask a quick question -- as someone who's last name is Tseng and who's also Taiwanese, I couldn't help but notice that you've used Taipei/Taiwan as a location and even had the last name Tseng as the UN Secretary General (however ineffectual because of the machinations of the Light...). Have you spent any time in Taiwan / know Taiwanese people (or people with last name Tseng)?

Keep up the amazing work! Thanks!

Greg responds...

I have not spent any time in Taiwan. Long, long ago, I did go to grammar school with a kid named Tseng in Encino, California. But I believe the name actually came from the comics.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021

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Anonymous writes...

While Halo's powers allow her to recover from fatal injuries more than a few viewers find it disturbing that she is specifically and repeatedly subject to getting injured or killed in gruesome ways in spite of her powers, especially as a young Muslim teenage girl (Violence against PoC be it on the news or in fiction tends to be taken less seriously than violence against white people). Had the writing team considered the implications of this when writing the action scenes Halo is involved in?

Greg responds...

Clearly, we did not.

We thought of her like Wolverine, healing from impossible things. But we also wanted to show her journey of strength from victim to hero.

Best laid plans, and all.

Response recorded on July 26, 2021


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