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Hey Greg, here are a few questions of Gargoyles verse:
1) Has anyone in-universe commented that Mr. Acme has the same name as the fictional company that sells (Faulty) products to Willie Coyote? Has he ever get into legal problem with the in-universe Warner Bros company because of that? What does he personally feels about the coincidence of his name and Acme Company of Looney Tunes?
2) I remenber there was an episode where it was briefly shows Hudson watching an episode of Quack Pack and he seemed to be at least intrigued by what he was seeing. Do you think Hudson likes cartoons in general? Also, on a more slly hypothetical, if someone commented within Hudson's earshot that cartoons are just for kids or immature adults, what do you think would Hudson's opinion be about such comment?
3) Assuming that it isn't a spoiler, do you think Oberon would be more of a dog person or a cat person? (Aka: Would he prefer dogs or cats as companions/pets, even if enither of these were his favorite animal.) What about Titania, Puck and Odin? Witch animal would each of these prefer between a dog or cat?
1. The use was legally "de minimus," i.e. a small use for purposes of parody. The whole episode has a Wile E. Coyote vibe, so having the pie-gun come from "Acme," made sense. If we wanted to do the "Mr. Acme" spin-off series, we might have legal trouble, I suppose.
1a. I'm guessing he feels like heaving a big sigh about it.
2. I think all television fascinates Hudson.
2a. I think he'd ask, "If that's the case, what exactly is for mature adults?"
3. I'll leave all these to your imagination.
Rewatched "Eye of the Storm" on DVD today.
I noticed, this time around, that after Goliath rescues Elisa from Odin, Odin cries "This isn't over!" - the same words that Hakon used after his initial attack on the castle was turned back at the start of the series. It struck me as appropriate, since they were both "Old Norse". (I don't know if that was intentional, though, or just a fortunate coincidence.)
I just wanted to know what kind of stuff you read as a kid that got you interested in the whole mythological genre. Are there any good books you recommend, and are there any you read as a kid that you just couldn't put down?
D'aulaire's Norse Gods and Giants and D'aulaire's Greek Myths started me on the path to loving mythology. Mary Renault's The King Must Die and The Bull from the Sea were also influential, as was Mary Stewart's tetralogy about Merlin, King Arthur and Mordred. Also Roger Lancelyn Green's King Arthur and His Knights of the Round Table. There were many others, too. But those got me started.
Greg..once you told us(gargoyles fans) Thor, the Norse God of Thunder, and a member of the Third Race is dead.
Does Odin feels sad by this?
Because Thor was his favorite son.
#NoSpoilers - I'm not even going to reveal if Thor was his favorite son in the #Gargoyles Universe.
1a) Would The Eye of Odin have eventually killed Goliath? (It appeared to have been killing Fox.)
1b) (It seems that Avatars to Death Gods tend to die, like The Emir.) Would Jackal have eventually died as a result of being an Avatar?
1a. Hard to say.
1b. Harder to say.
I'm honestly not trying to have an "ah ha! Gotcha" moment here (although it may seem like it after I ask my questions), as I am honestly curious and a little confused.
You've said that Odin was able to circumvent Oberon's rule of not stealing Avalonian artifacts from mortals because he felt that it belonged to him.
My question is:
1) Why does he believe the Eye still belongs to him after he gave it up willingly (i.e. not stolen from him)?
To put it in "mortal perspective," if a woman gives up her baby for adoption, and for whatever reason the adoptive family decides to give the baby to someone else, and the birth mother takes the baby back, thats kidnapping (i.e. theft)...even if the birth mother feels justified, reasoning that this new family isn't who she agreed to give the baby to and doesn't like how they are raising the child, if the authorities caught her, she would be punished the same as if she hadn't given birth to the baby - as she gave up all rights to the child in the first place.
Now, in Odin's case, Oberon is the authority and Odin was able to "bend" Oberon's law because he "felt" justified:
2) Does Oberon agree with Odin, that he is the rightful owner dispite having given it away a long time ago?
3) Why? Does he not see contractual agreements with mortals binding?
4) Was Odin punished for breaking the law or forgiven? (If this is a story for another day, I'll understand if you do not feel like answering this one).
1. Reversion clause.
I'm not sure I don't believe that extenuating circumstances would negate your analogy. Plus, if you gave your baby up to adoption to someone specific, I'd lay odds that in many adoption contracts, there may in fact be a clause that gives the birth parents the option of getting the child back instead of it going to an unapproved third party. But in any case, Odin is a god (from his point of view). He sure as hell wouldn't think much of your analogy.
2. I don't think Oberon knows or cares. But I tend to think he wouldn't think much of your analogy either.
3. What contract with what mortal are you referring to? Mimir was not a mortal.
4. See above.
The Eye of Odin. How did he lost his eye to begin with?
He traded it.
From watching The Gathering and other episodes with the Children of Oberon in it, and from your reveals on s8, it appears to me that the Third Race have a feudal-like system, with Oberon as the high king (more or less), and others as his subjects or vassals. I think you have said that there are various "subsets," such as the Aesir and the Egyptian gods.
Do these "subsets" or "pantheons" have any political or social reality in Third Race society? What I mean is, are they just convenient catagories for mortals to refer to this or that Child of Oberon as belonging to a mythological category, or are they actual groups who associate(d) with one another as such, who have something political, social, or cultural in common with one another?
Yes, it's a FEUDAL system. Odin reports to Oberon, but the Aesir report to Odin. And etc.
Are there any other limits as to what the Children of Oberon can transform into, other than their own whims or a decree by Oberon?
For example, before Odin got his Eye back, his form always appeared to have an empty eye socket. Was this because he chose to take such an appearance, or because he had to?
He only had one eye. That was part of the mystic trade. He could have created a glamour that gave him the appearance of having two eyes, but he'd still only have one.
This day in Gargoyles' Universe History....
Odin becomes aware that Goliath has the Eye of Odin.