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Once again Eric knows his 80's. Let me find some hard stuff to ask. :)
babs
Sunday, October 27, 2002 02:39:22 PM
IP: 68.80.98.67

Hey all,

More tactical info on the Gargoyles marathon. (That sounds more upbeat than 'good news/bad news') Yes, Toon Disney is airing Deadly Force and yes they are airing the eps in order, but not Deadly Force. I checked the cable listing with my service provider, Charter. Out on the west coast, it starts at 12 pm, but Deadly Forces won't air until 8 pm, the last hour of the Monday leg. My guess is that they want to Deadly Forces firmly in primetime to avoid potential problems. No biggie, but for those thinking of the 'set-it and forget-it' plan for taping, might want to check it out with their own cable provider.

By the by, I have two VCR hooked up for dubbing. Does anyone with Toon Disney want a copy. I can't promise much on the sound quality, but the picture and tracking are clear. Email me and we can work something out.

Toodles.

Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:42:07 AM
IP: 24.205.124.123

Here's a site you all might find interesting.
Ten Big Myths About Copyright
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

Aria The Insane
Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:54:10 AM
IP: 216.113.209.215

Leo: Jonathan Frakes also made a number of guest appearences on The Waltons as Ashley Longworth Jr. Son of the Ashely Longworth that one of the Baldwin Sisters was constantly going on about. He became a love interest for Erin Walton - but ended up marrying someone else and breaking her heart. Ironically, The worman who played Cora Beth Godsey on the walton would later go on to make an appearence on Star Trek, TNG. Amazing where people turn up.
Wingless
Saturday, October 26, 2002 08:18:47 PM
IP: 66.185.84.203

Toon Disney WILL be airing Deadly Force! I

AWESOME! Too bad I don't have a TV, but awesome nonetheless.

Jimmy
Saturday, October 26, 2002 06:21:27 PM
IP: 199.74.80.226

Oh yeah.. More 80's trivia. Should be an easy one.

Jonathan Frakes made two appearances as a minor character in "The Dukes of Hazzard". What was that character's name.?

Leo
Saturday, October 26, 2002 03:17:21 PM
IP: 172.162.204.198

Babs> Hmm... the name of Bill Cosby's pen.

I think it was "Mortimer Ichabod Marker" , that's as close as I can get. :)

I can't remember if it talked or not.

Leo
Saturday, October 26, 2002 03:09:33 PM
IP: 172.162.204.198

Hi! I just dropped by to say that Toon Disney WILL be airing Deadly Force! I have Toon Disney, and I saw the commercial! It said, among other things: "for the first time ever," "every episode ever created," and "4 days, 78 shows."

Isn't this great?! I wonder what this could lead to in the future if Toon Disney is at last showing the episode it wouldn't air before? Also, on the website, the Gargoyles marathon is in the spotlight!

Oh how I hope...

Demona Taina - [demona3@hotmail.com]
Saturday, October 26, 2002 01:39:22 PM
IP: 196.42.28.217

*Grumbles* Lucky Americans. :( Why can't we have gargoyles back on again here in England?
Silverbolt - [silverbolt2012@hotmail.com]
Saturday, October 26, 2002 01:31:24 PM
IP: 62.7.102.62

The Marathon starts Monday, according to TV guide it runs 9 hours for three days each and 12 hours on Thursday (carries over midnight into Friday morning). That should be exactly the amount of time to show all 78 episodes. Not a guarantee, but it does bode well.

Mooncat
>^,,^<


Mooncat
Saturday, October 26, 2002 12:59:32 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Does anyone know about this toon disney marathon? Do you think the episodes will be in order? I noticed it's only actually 30 hours, therefore 60 episodes, and if memory serves there are 64. So what are they going to leave out? Deadly Force? What else?

I hope they're in order. *goes to buy tapes*

Kya White Sapphire
Saturday, October 26, 2002 08:31:00 AM
IP: 12.8.228.146

Correct = Correctly. :P
Lady Mystic
Saturday, October 26, 2002 03:38:28 AM
IP: 66.72.182.247

Eric: If I remember correct, "The Bloodhound Gang."

**wanders off while humming the theme music**

Lady Mystic
Dearborn, MI
Saturday, October 26, 2002 03:37:31 AM
IP: 66.72.182.247

Eric> I'm afarid I'm not understanding the question, either that or i drank whatever was in my glass way to fast and it went to my head.But i did watch that show alot
Heres a cute site i dnouf it has music themes and stuff

Babs
Saturday, October 26, 2002 01:30:39 AM
IP: 68.80.98.67

Babs: you're talking to an 80s junkie of sorts. Bill's pen was named Mortimar. I think it's full name was Mortimar Marker.

Now for my 80's trivia. The show "3-2-1 Contact" (original cast) had shorts about a "gang" of kids. Who were they?

Tas: Talk to Carl. ;)

Eric
Friday, October 25, 2002 10:18:49 PM
IP: 151.203.248.14

Ok now for ? #3 !!
The show was called "Picture Page " it stared Bill Cosby, in the show Bill had a little firend, a pen that made music when he moved it across a surface.
3) What was the name of that pen ?

*** Remember no cheating ! ***
Danke for playing :)

Babs
Friday, October 25, 2002 10:06:18 PM
IP: 68.80.98.67

Eric> your on a roll
The answer for #2 was Alvin, Simon, Theodore, Girls- , Brittany, Jeanette, and Eleanor.


babs
Friday, October 25, 2002 10:01:48 PM
IP: 68.80.98.67

Anyone know where we can get more of that great Carl Johnson music? Thanks, Gorebash, for putting them up; they're great. =)

Tas Vince Burrfoot
Friday, October 25, 2002 08:27:37 PM
IP: 128.208.58.78

Bud-Clare> <<You know, sometimes you terrify me just a little bit. ;)>> I can live with that. ; )

Ophelia> You know, the first time I saw Ophelia, I thought "I bet she ends up with Brooklyn. They're both weird looking." It just seemed logical for the two pseudo-dinosaur gargs to get together.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Friday, October 25, 2002 03:06:14 PM
IP: 66.142.70.253

ya know, looking at the Ophelia pic i realized what a cool design she has! definitly one of the cooler gargoyles IMHO. not only is she awesome looking, shes kick @$$ too!
Ophelia rocks!

matt
Friday, October 25, 2002 01:28:26 AM
IP: 207.230.48.58

My very first day of Road Runner. Yay! I listened to the Gargoyles soundtrack (this is significant because I rarely downloaded anything before, because it took too damn long). Am very happy to be back. :)

Aaron> Re: Gaston Canmore
You know, sometimes you terrify me just a little bit. ;)

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, October 25, 2002 01:20:22 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Hi, remember me? Yea, college has kept me busy, not enough time to read through everything. Darn. But I was just posting to let everyone know that I was alive and that this site is great on a mac.

Jimmy
Friday, October 25, 2002 01:07:33 AM
IP: 199.74.80.226

****Blaise rises through the floor. His form is quite transparent.**** Getting in the mood for Halloween (and the "Nightmare Before Christmas" panel I'll be attending at the El Capitan tomorrow night). For right now a few quick thoughts....

AARON> Aha...though, in this case, at least one of the triplets (affectionately called "the Bimbettes" in the cast list) was voiced by the late Mary Kay Bergman.
Would Le Fou be a precursor to Raptor (that robotic bird in HUNTER'S MOON part 1), then? ;-)

TOON DISNEY'S POSSIBLE AIRING OF "DEADLY FORCE"> ALL RIGHT!! I'm cheering for even the possibility of this--I'd plotz if I could actually see it!
And yet...there's that cynical part of me that's wondering what exactly they've edited out to get this on their "squeaky clean" channel.
(My guesses: The shot of Elisa on the floor with a pool of blood will be cropped to only see Elisa's face; the scenes of Broadway looking at the blood on his hands and one of the medics putting some cloth on Elisa's abdomen will be missing--and that's just off the top of my head while writing).
Regardless, I just have to say IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME!!
(And to those of you who have Toon Disney...please let us know about it [sad, puppy dog eyes].

See you all later! Until then, farewell. ****Blaise's see-through image dissolves into a mist.****

Blaise
Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:52:39 PM
IP: 209.178.158.179


Hiya everyone. Its been a while, hmmm?
This Gargoyles music off the cd is really something else. So nice to hear! I've always been a soundtrack fan.

Vilija - [pikavil@hotmail.com]
CanadaThursday, October 24, 2002 10:03:51 PM
IP: 216.221.81.99

Eric: I tested your site in three different browsers: Omniweb 4.1.1, Chimera 0.5, and IE 5.2.2 (all for Mac OS X.2.1). They all worked ffine.

Best of luck, and thanks for keeping it mac compliant. We do appreciate that sort of effort from web developers.

Josh
Thursday, October 24, 2002 09:32:26 PM
IP: 64.161.25.178

Favorite cartoons from my childhood? Well, not a problem, not a problem . . . although my childhood wasn't all that far back, and I might be bringing some up from my adolescence because I've been watching cartoons since then.

Hm. DuckTales ranks high, as well as Darkwing Duck and Animaniacs. Rescue Rangers and Freakazoid. Looney Tunes, the old Disney shorts. Muppet Babies and Rupert, although those were a bit futher back. Though I continued watching Muppet Babies for a while. I believe that I may have watched one or two episodes from Gargoyles in my childhood (for instance, when Demona tried to poison Elisa in "Long Way 'Til Morning" was very familiar, as well as the oil rig in "Double Jeapordy" when it blew, and when Goliath said, "We need a soceress. We need Demona" and Elisa replied that she didn't know where to start, all of them were intensely familiar, even though I somehow managed to lump them all into the same episode in my head later ^^;), but I don't think I was really a fan then. *shrug*

Lady Baltimore
MD, USA
Thursday, October 24, 2002 07:16:35 PM
IP: 206.214.2.245

Gore> I've got a Mac, new layout concept works fine in both Netscape 7 and IE 5.

So, this is "reminiscing about old cartoons" week, eh? I wish I could participate in the old He-Man trivia, but I just can't remember too much about the 80s He-Man series. I was a frequent watcher, but it's been soooo long.... :(

Anyways, here's some cartoons I can remember watching as far back as I can remember watching cartoons:

He-Man, GI-Joe, Thundercats, Ghostbusters, TMNT, Alvin & the Clipmunks, Transformers (original), mostly all old Disney cartoons (Rescue Rangers, Tale Spin, Darkwing Duck, Goof Troop, DuckTales, Gargoyles of course), Earthworm Jim, Mighty Max, Batman (original), Spiderman (original), X-Men (original), and the Anime movies that used to be on the Sci-Fi channel years ago.

There's probably even more I can't remember right off the top of my head. Anyone else care to list old, favorite cartoon shows?



Jim R.
Thursday, October 24, 2002 05:52:19 PM
IP: 208.17.68.139

matt> In addition to the "every episode ever made" count, it's also been said that they're showing 78 episodes, and I calculated the time to be such even before that. Unless they're lying, AND have been secretly creating an episode under everyone's noses, I find it extremely likely. ^^ Yay!
Lady Baltimore
MD, USA
Thursday, October 24, 2002 05:02:46 PM
IP: 206.214.2.245

Well, better late then never...

Blaise> <<All right, I'll bite. Why is Gaston a long lost descendent of Canmore?>> I don't think he was long-lost. I think he was a member of the family who got the Hunter training, having shown aptitude for it as a child, but as he grew up, they decided he was just to darn stupid to actually take up the mask and be sent after the Demon. Hence his desperation to get married and have five or six sons. If he couldn't be the Hunter, he could at least train the next one. Of course, he knew somewhere in his tiny mind that he'd need someone pretty smart to compensate for his genes. Pretty... Smart... Hey, how 'bout Belle? Plus, he's being followed around by a set of triplets who sound like Kath Soucie, and he has the classic Canmore fall-from-a-high-place death.

Wingless> The voice of Tennessee Tuxedo would of course be Don Adams, the future Maxwell Smart.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Thursday, October 24, 2002 05:00:24 PM
IP: 66.142.70.253

How's everyone doing?

I need a little help from anyone who has a free moment. I've got the frame for what I believe will be the new layout for this site. Thing is I want to make sure it works fine for everyone before I go and start really working with it.

So what I need you to do, if you have a moment, is to visit a test web page and see if everything looks fine.

Now this is just a frame of the layout. So there isn't any real content. No images. Not even a basic color scheme.

I'm particularly interested to hear from anyone who is on a Mac, any type of Mac, any OS, just so long as it's Mac.

To test this layout you can either click on my name or cut and paste the url:
http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/3col_footer_01/

I ask that if you do find anything goofy to contact me in some way. Either through here, the CR, or more preferrably, through e-mail at eric@s8.org.

Danke!

Eric - [eric@s8.org]
Thursday, October 24, 2002 04:52:09 PM
IP: 192.207.57.11

speaking of the Toon Disney Gargoyles Halloween Marathon, i saw the same commercial and they said something to the effect of, "for the first time we are going to show every episode ever made!" i wonder if the are including Deadly Force?
matt
Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:57:37 PM
IP: 207.230.48.61

Oops! I meant Henry Cabot Henhouse the Third. My bad. That'll teach from getting overly cocky. (The pun was intended)

I caught a commerical on Toon Disney saying they'll play all 78 episodes. I guess the folks at TD were impressed by the Gathering this year. Good job guys! They've had Gargoyle Halloween marathons before, but putting on all of them. Something must have changed the programmers' mind.

I was listening to some of Carl Johnson's music and I had a general animation question. Who make the decision as far as character themes? In the series that really excel, I've noticed that not only scenes have music to set the mood, but predominant characters too. In B:TAS, you could always tell a Joker ep from one involving the Clock King. In Gargoyles, there's what I affectionately call Puck's Happy Dance and the bagpipe overature introducing Macbeth. Just thought I'd ask.

Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:46:43 AM
IP: 24.205.124.123

Ok, 70s Cartoon Triva. Speed Buggy had 3 human companions. Who were they?

60s Trivia-Tennessee Tuxedo-who did his voice?

Wingless
Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:43:03 AM
IP: 66.185.84.203

Superchicken's Secret Identity> Shoe shine Boy! No nope, that's Underdog. Quick Draw Magraw, Nope, that's El Kabong. Then it must be Henry Cabot Henworth the Third. (Take that rumpilstilskin! Ha! Ha!) My family has learned to their sorry not to try and stump the Blue Hombre on matters animated, plus Jay Ward is a classic.

Jere's a tough cartoon trivia question in kind. Many know of Schoolhouse Rock, but can you name the songs that aired in the 80's and early 90's that weren't part of the 70's originals?

Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32:06 AM
IP: 24.205.124.123

Chipmunks - Ah revisionism. In my day there were only the three. Alvin, Simon and Theodore, living with their human Dave.
Alvin, Alvin! ALVIN!
I used to love watching those guys.

How about some '60 trivia. Who was Super Chicken's alter ego?

Old Kathy
Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:57:55 AM
IP: 198.31.97.254

Babs: Alvin, Simon, Theadore, Britney, Janette, Elanor

General question: Anyone have decent pictures of the various backgrounds and images that Frank Paur and crew had on display at the Gathering 2001? Some close ups of those backgrounds would make some great additions to a web site. :)

Eric
Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:24:43 AM
IP: 151.203.251.208

Ok So you ppl know your He-man, yes Price Adam and Kringer was the rigth answer, now how many of you knew that without looking it up ?!? :) mmmm sinners.
Round 2 !
2) Name all of the Chipmunks , Including the 3 girls ?

Babs
Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:04:36 AM
IP: 68.80.98.67

Telia was the daughter of the sorceruss (I can't spell today) and was raised by Man of Arms. (There is hint that the sorceress and Man of Arms had something between them)

Adam and Adora are twin brother and sister. (Hence, He-Man and She-Ra are also twins)

Yay. 80s logic! :D

Still time to enter the Gothic Gargoyles contest for this month's MGC!!! :D Click the link to my name to find out what you need to know to enter!

Siryn - [<-- 7 days left to enter MGC!]
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 08:16:16 PM
IP: 129.21.153.18

I think I read in a magazene a few weeks ago that Teela was a copy or clone or something of Scorceress and raised by Man At Arms. Or something. Can't remember.
Aria The Insane
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 04:53:53 PM
IP: 216.113.210.99

Teela was Man At Arms' daughter? I'll b damned. Adora is his sister and Adora = She-Ra? Was there ever a Mrs. At Arms?

Prince Adam of Eternia was his full title, right?

So how'd the falconesse play into it all? Any relation there or just some chick in a castle who likes to kick it as a bird once in a while? I know she scored the armor and sword and stuff for He-Man. And that red cross on his chest was made of some special material. For $20 what was that material called? Damned if I remember.


Eric
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 04:46:16 PM
IP: 192.207.57.11

Spacebabie> I think it's "Man AT Arms" not "Of"
Leo
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 04:33:15 PM
IP: 172.148.100.146

Eric...um you got it all right except for Telia. I think it was spelled Teela. She is Duncan's (Man of Arms) Daughter and potential love interest for Adam. His twin sister is Adora.

Castle and Tapestry. I hbuy the theory that Xanatos stayed out of the tearing down and reconstructing the castle. I'm sure he had teams go inside to map, and make blueprints of Wyvern so that it could be rebuilt the exactly the same way. Well not exactly. I can see it likes

Xanatos:"I want it to look the way it is now, make sure you have every last detail. Owen you stay with them so that they get it right. Do you have the electrical wiring plans?

Owen:"Yes sir."

Now I believe Owen would know about the passageway, but well he was stoned at the time.

Spacebabie
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:03:34 AM
IP: 67.24.93.58

Airwalker You Wrote [I don't think so mainly because when Xanatos says in the air that he's worried about his tapestry, Goliath reacts like thats the farthest thing from his mind...]

Exactly why I said Goliath's SUBCONSCIOUS. Goliath was way more focused elsewhere at that moment and reacted as he did to Bronx because of that. But subconsciously, a red flag goes up in his mind that he'll revisit AFTER he's done with what he's focusing on.

Good point about Gargoyles being allowed around the castle prior to Katharine's reign. That makes sense. But my point is still that Goliath didn't make use of that passage much, at least in the couple years leading up to his turning to stone. So that passage way is in his memory, but not in his current memory. Thus his lack of reaction to Bronx scratching at the tapestry. He knows there's a passage behind it, but he doesn't remember that right away. It comes back to him later as he and the clan are gliding and he has a moment to clear his head and get his attention refocused.

Babs:

Prince Adam and Cringer. Sister is Telia.

Eric
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 09:12:53 AM
IP: 192.207.57.24

In addition, whether or not Xanatos knew about the passage, I'm not entirely sure he'd know that when Bronx gets anxious about something, it's best to heed him; for all Xanatos knew, Bronx heard a rat running around in the tunnel, or in a ventilation shaft, or something. Or maybe the tapestry smelled funny. *shrug* Maybe he knew it was there and didn't really think there was anything special about the fact at that time. Or maybe he didn't know and thought Bronx was just being weird.

And as I've made the same point three times in a single paragraph without quite realizing it 'til afterward, I think it's high time I went to sleep. Gh.

Lady Baltimore
MD, USA
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:38:31 AM
IP: 199.183.160.75

Ok we have a new game here ppl, "The 80's game", I'll ask a ?, try to guess the correct answer without looking it up,I will return the next day to answer. :) let us begin

1) In the 80's cartoon He-man, What was He-mans real name? and what was the name of his Tiger before he turned into Battle Cat ?

*remember no cheating*

Babs
Philly
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 09:15:16 PM
IP: 68.80.98.67

FAIEQ - You wrote: [How could Xanatos not have known that the tapestry wasn't hanging on the wall but actually concealing a passageway.]

We're all assuming that Xanatos has had the time to first hand explore every bit of the castle or memorize the original castle blueprints in detail. He does have a business to run after all. Not to mention that all those various plans and adventures eat into a significant part of his free time.

On top of that there could be other reasons that he might not know about every single secret passage in the castle. Demona could have altered the blueprints after the castle was built. Or considering that he was under as much pressure as Goliath in that scene (there is Fox's fate that could be on his mind a little) it might not have occurred to him to think past Bronx's move on the Tapestry to anything behind it.

(Although the dialogue with Goliath later does imply that he didn't really know about the passage - otherwise it probably would have jumped into his mind as quickly as it did to Goliath.)

You wrote: [How could he know about the tapestry, while Xanatos didn't?]

Goliath didn't react to the Tapestry part when Xanatos mentioned it. He reacted to the fact that Xanatos mentioned "The South Wall" that the Tapestry was hanging on. Thats when he put Bronx's clawing together with the knowledge of the hidden entrance together. Goliath after all lived in the Castle longer than Xanatos did and was even around when it was being built so he'd be as familiar with its secrets as Demona.


SILVERBOLT - You wrote: [Why WAS he so worried about the passageway being there? Did Goliath know Demona was there?]

Goliath knew about a hidden passage and he knew that Bronx was clawing at it. He knows that the only other person that could know about it besides him (and possibly Xanatos and Owen) is Demona. And if Bronx is clawing at the Tapestry/Entrance then its a strong possibility something/someone wrong is there. That gets him running since if his suspicion is correct then Elisa is in the same room as Demona and completely defenseless.


ERIC - You wrote: [Goliath's subconscious knows there's something wrong and starts digging for a reason why.]

I don't think so mainly because when Xanatos says in the air that he's worried about his tapestry, Goliath reacts like thats the farthest thing from his mind, probably because its more likely he was thinking about Elisa. It was only when Xanatos mentioned the Tapestry location and Bronx's reaction that Goliath got excited and wanting to go back.

You wrote: [Goliath probably didn't move about the inside of the castle much. Judging by Katharine's reaction to Goliath's presence in the hall after the Vikings' defeat (Awakenings 1) Gargoyles probably aren't welcomed inside.]

During Katharine's time I buy that. But I don't think that during Malcolm's time, especially in the early to mid period of his rule when the Castle was still being built, that the Gargoyles would have difficult to move around or be inside the Castle.

I think that this passage might have had a DARK AGES Goliath and Demona story around it considering that they both knew about it and especially the way Demona refers to her knowledge of it.

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 07:43:24 PM
IP: 12.88.167.40

Couple other bits on the secret passage.

I think it would be pretty obvious Xanatos knows the passageway exists. He lives and works there and he would make sure he was secure. He isn't going to trust a security team to guard him. Not really. I think Xanatos trusts no one. So he takes it upon hismelf to know every nook and cranny of that castle. It is also advantageous to know all escape routes should someone penetrate his defenses. Xanatos is not a dumb man. He's going to always have a way out. Again, this lends itself to X knowing every square inch of that place.

So I hope I made my point there. Xanatos knew about the passage, no doubt about it.

Demona's little comment to herself? "There are secrets about this castle even you don't know about Xanatos." I think that's just her being overconfident. Kind of like a sports team hosting someone on their home field. This is Demona's home. No one knows it better than her. Either that or she was not referring to the passageway but perhaps herself? It's her presence that is the secret. I think either explanation is a valid one.

As for the age of the tapestry, it was probably placed there by Xanatos himself. Wyvern was abandoned not long after the Gargoyles turned to stone in 994 (10 century). There aren't any residents after the Gargoyles turn to stone until Xanatos shows up. At least that's the impression I'm given. If the tapestry was in the castle when Xanatos purchased it, then that would be a huge clue that (rich) occupants were in the castle AFTER the attack on Wyvern. That would make for an interesting story.

But Xanatos was so quick to report it's age and value that he probably purchased it separately at some point and put it over the passage entrance on purpose to hide it.

Eric
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 04:56:29 PM
IP: 192.207.57.7

Silverbolt. here's how I see it:

Bronx starts scratching at the tapestry. Goliath is a bit preoccupied to really focus on Bronx's actions and doesn't take much notice. Goliath's subconscious knows there's something wrong and starts digging for a reason why.

It's like trying to remember the title of a movie you saw once several years ago. You know it's in your memory, it's on the tip of your tounge even, but you just don't have it. Your subconscious starts to chew on it while you go about your day until "ah hah!" you finally pull out that long lost memory.

Same thing here.

Goliath probably didn't move about the inside of the castle much. Judging by Katharine's reaction to Goliath's presence in the hall after the Vikings' defeat (Awakenings 1) Gargoyles probably aren't welcomed inside. However Goliath, especially being clan leader, has probably been inside the castle on a few occasions. He knows there is a passageway behind the tapestry, he's seen it, but it isn't a strong memory because he never really used it or saw it much.

Goliath's subconscious finally digs out this memory of the passageway. He puts that memory together with Bronx's actions clawing at the tapestry and it becomes clear that there was someone or something BEHIND the tapestry, in the passageway.

Well who would know about the passageway? Xanatos would, but he was in the room with Goliath. The rest of the clan might know about it, but they were all present as well... except one. Demona.

Goliath finally puts all the pieces of the puzzle together and makes the realization. This causes his sudden reaction and change in direction back torwards the castle.

At least that's how I see it.

Eric
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 04:41:05 PM
IP: 192.207.57.19

My question is... Why WAS he so worried about the passageway being there? Did Goliath know Demona was there?

But there's always a nitpick in everything like movies, books blah blah blah... but hey! It's fun to notice these things. Like why didn't Thailog just 'kill' Demona when he ordered Delilah to destroy the gargs, it would have let Thailog succeed in his plan!

Oh the mind of a villian is such a simple one, they never think things through!

Silverbolt
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 02:01:54 PM
IP: 213.123.57.23

AARG!!! Typo demons!

I suspect that Owen knows where all the hidden passages are...

Old Kathy
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:53:35 AM
IP: 198.31.97.254

The tapestry - There's no rule that says Xanatos has to furnish the castle with the original furniture. Given the condition of the castle when he bought it, any tapestry would have long ago disintegrated. Xanatos probably has items dating all through the centuries and from several different countries as well, although he does have a fondness for medieval works.

Xanatos probably doesn't know about all the things hidden in the castle. The castle restoration would be one project where he would say "do it" then mostly ignore the whole thing until it was finished. That's what flunkies are for. He might have glanced at the blueprints a few times, but most of what would be on them would be over his head (he's a business man, not an engineer). I suspect the Owen knows where all the hidden passages are but he has never bothered to tell Xanatos. How else can he be everywhere at once?

As for Goliath turning back when Xanatos mentioned the tapestry, the tapestry location not the tapestry itself triggered a memory that there was a passage there. At least that is how I interpret the scene. Back in the 10th century, there probably was a tapestry of some sort hanging there. They were used to keep the drafts down in a cold castle.

Old Kathy
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:49:26 AM
IP: 198.31.97.254

Actually, considering that they took the castle apart essentially brick by brick and reassembled it in America, Demona's statement makes very little sense. So a tapestry hides an alcove. Unless that section (and someone would have to go back and check tapes) was made with hollowed out stone that concealed a secret compartment. She's not putting anything over on anybody, except that she successfully snuck into the castle.
kathy
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 08:42:31 AM
IP: 66.167.192.208

Just test driving a pic of Ophelia. I'm mucking with a new graphic program (The Gimp) and I'm trying to learn my old Photoshop tricks using this new program. I might drop a few more in here as I try new methods of cleaning up images.
Eric
Monday, October 21, 2002 11:50:05 PM
IP: 151.203.251.208

Probably there was supposed to be a secret door, but the concept didn't come across appropriately when animated.
Laurence
Monday, October 21, 2002 09:16:15 PM
IP: 128.233.231.27

Today is the Hunter's Moon (well, tonight, actually), and I watched my tape of "Hunter's Moon Part Three" as a celebration. Still a really good episode, and very dramatic.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, October 21, 2002 07:21:43 PM
IP: 67.28.95.111

I was watching 'City of Stone' at the weekend and I noticed something that struck me. In part 3, Bronx claws at a tapestry on the south wall that Xanatos says is from the 12th century. After the gargoyles, Xanatos and the Steel Clan robots leave the castle to fly over Manhattan, Demona emerges saying, "There are things about this castle that even you don't know about Xanatos!"

Now, I'm confused, if the tapestry is from the 12th century and the last people who lived in Castle Wyvern left in 994, which is at the end of the 10th century, how could Xanatos not have known that the tapestry wasn't hanging on the wall but actually concealing a passageway. Also when Xanatos does mention the tapestry to Goliath and the fact that Bronx was clawing at it, Goliath becomes alarmed and heads back to the castle. How could he know about the tapestry, while Xanatos didn't?

Has Greg said that Princess Katherine and her people were the last people to inhabit Castle Wyvern? If so, then how come Xanatos or even Owen weren't informed on the tapestry's location?

Faieq
Monday, October 21, 2002 02:33:30 PM
IP: 213.122.161.217

ERIC - You wrote: [Does anyone have any strong opinions on including images of the NYC skyline that includes the WTC on a Gargoyles website?]

I'm in agreement with Jim R. I personally don't mind any images with the WTC in the skyline and have no objection to seeing them. The WTC was a part of the NYC skyline for a generation amd it was also a part of the skyline that I grew up with. I don't think that should be ignored now that they are gone. I don't want to almost pretend like they were never there.

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, October 21, 2002 11:17:53 AM
IP: 12.88.164.233

Oops, well, maybe not. 11th!

Eric> No, I don't have any objections. We all know Gargoyles was produced long before Sept. 11 happened. And in my opinion, any images portraying the WTC should still be shown. They make good memories of what used to be.

Jim R.
Monday, October 21, 2002 09:56:27 AM
IP: 208.17.68.83

::::Repost from yesterday::::

Carl Johnson Music:

just some little trivial differences I've noticed between the various versions of the title theme.

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Original and first season Main title vs/ 2nd season with Keith David narration:

Original and first season are in key of Bb.

2nd season (narration)is in key of B (half step higher) and 3 sec shorter than 1st season Main Title.

Is it the 1st season recording slightly speeded up? Possibly to add some brightness to the music (and Keith if he was recorded before the change)

Ir is it just an accident?
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Main Title vs/ End credits:

Are different recordings (same session though)

Different Arrangements.

End credits have a slightly different rhythm in 4 bar percussion intro to main melody. Entrance of full orchestra is a smooth 2-beat ascending run leading into the melody (no splice, like in "Main Title")- what you hear is what was originally written.
End credits is also at a faster tempo.

The only obvious recording cut is two thirds into the sustained "synth voice" section at the beginning - rmoving 2 chord changes.

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Ok that's enough. I'll stop the musical rambling.


Wingless:

I think you did the exact same thing with your edit that they did. Only they just hid the splice with a sound effect. :p



Click the link to hear a midi file I made of the "End credits" theme. It's still in the "beta" stages.

Warning: Midi quality varries with sound cards. You may not like what you hear. It sounds better on wavetable sound cards. Any input from you audiophiles would be appreciated. :)

Leo - [<- Gargoyles Midi File]
Yorktown, Va
Monday, October 21, 2002 09:52:03 AM
IP: 172.139.117.223

Woohoo! 10th! Just made it.
Jim R.
Monday, October 21, 2002 09:50:21 AM
IP: 208.17.68.83

Does anyone have any strong opinions on including images of the NYC skyline that includes the WTC on a Gargoyles website?

I really don't want to spark any kind of heated discussion with this. It's just that I'm working on some visual elements for a new site and an NYC skyline seems like an obvious one. But there's strong emotion attached to that imagery. So I figured I would ask before I even started thinking about using such images.

Eric
Monday, October 21, 2002 01:49:00 AM
IP: 151.203.253.247

ninth? :: peeks around room:: perhaps it's ninth.
Princess Alexandria - [princess_alex24@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 21, 2002 01:04:19 AM
IP: 209.206.251.76

Well, one person didn't claim a number and that seems to have thrown off the game, but it looks like I'll take 2^3, 64^(1/2), definite integral of f(x)=x from 0 to 4- in other words, eight.
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
Monday, October 21, 2002 01:02:05 AM
IP: 68.59.42.164

Sixth
Gray Wolf
Monday, October 21, 2002 12:25:17 AM
IP: 195.167.64.193

Gah... FIFTH!!! FIFTH in the name of the FAY!

>^,,^<
Mooncat

Mooncat
Monday, October 21, 2002 12:14:21 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Just a weekly hello from the City of Westrich!
Jenna
Monday, October 21, 2002 12:14:20 AM
IP: 206.148.230.70

whoops!

Make it 4th in the name of the Fay

>^,,^<

Mooncat

Mooncat
Monday, October 21, 2002 12:13:29 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

can we say 4
Wingless
Monday, October 21, 2002 12:13:06 AM
IP: 66.185.84.203

3rd in the name of the Fay!

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
pMonday, October 21, 2002 12:12:56 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Guess Me'll Be three. Whooopie!(Not Goldberg either)
Wingless
Monday, October 21, 2002 12:12:47 AM
IP: 66.185.84.203

Third? :)
Ravyn
Monday, October 21, 2002 12:12:34 AM
IP: 150.135.118.118

2nd
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, October 21, 2002 12:07:55 AM
IP: 204.94.193.44

1ST!!! ;)
Knoxville - [knox@ketnar.org]
Monday, October 21, 2002 12:04:54 AM
IP: 208.54.204.199