Comments for the week ending December 2, 2002

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Matt> I'm board but content.
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Lord Sloth
Sunday, December 1, 2002 03:12:50 PM
IP: 142.55.22.187

Hi guys, just an MGC reminder, both a little late and a little early... :P Submission deadline for Central American Gargoyles is TONIGHT! Thanks to everyone who entered! :D
Also, starting December 1 (tomorrow) voting will be up on Central American and the new topic will be announced. :) on voting, man, I don't envy you guys, it's gonan be a TOUGH one this month, the quality of artwork is AMAZING! :D Whee! So head on over if you get a chance, everyone can vote. :)
Kessalia - [<MGC!]
Saturday, November 30, 2002 03:41:05 PM
IP: 24.247.97.173

If you're an American visting Canada who gets convicted of drinking and driving... yeah, they very well might tell you to never come back. And vice versa. After you've paid your fines and done the jail time, that is.

DPH > I accept your challenge, so here we go. "Gargoyles" to "Law and Order" in three easy steps. Jonathan Frakes / Marina Sirtis (Xanatos & Demona, "Gargoyles" / Riker & Troi, "ST:TNG") to Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher, "ST:TNG" / Joey Trotta, "Toy Soldiers") to Jerry Orbach (Albert Trotta, "Toy Soldiers" / Det. Lenny Brisco, "Law and Order").
Patrick Toman
Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:24:20 AM
IP: 67.38.249.154

hey everyone! I don't know if anyone would be interested in this, but I just started a Gargoyle online RPG. It's loosely based on the show, and I must admit that there isn't too much info on the site yet, since I just started it the other day. Please go and take a look and maybe join if it strikes your fancy. The RP will start once there are enough members. Anyway, enough blabbing, here's the link: http://groups.msn.com/GargoylesGuardiansofEdinburgh/_whatsnew.msnw
Manda - [Princess.Manda@verizon.net]
MA, USA
Saturday, November 30, 2002 07:39:16 AM
IP: 141.154.71.12

Sloth> "my room mate says you get kicked out of the country if your caught driving, that true?" which country you talking about? US or Canada? cuz we don't kick our drunk drivers out of the country unfortunatly...

i'm great, yourself???
matt
Saturday, November 30, 2002 06:37:04 AM
IP: 207.230.48.63

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Matt> Hey Matt, there's just been a lot of homework as the Semester nears the end (can't wait to go back home) and the chats here lately haven't drawn me in. The Legal drinking age here is 19 years old (yours is 21, right?) so if any of you are under age there, you're free to come north to get pissed. Just don't go driving back (my room mate says you get kicked out of the country if your caught driving, that true?).

So, how you doing Matt?
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Lord Sloth
Saturday, November 30, 2002 02:41:39 AM
IP: 142.55.22.187

Sloth> whats the drinking age in Canada? nice to have you around again!
matt
Saturday, November 30, 2002 02:07:08 AM
IP: 207.230.48.86

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Many Happy Returns of the yesterday Gabriel! I'd be lying if I said I completely understood what you said; how much Birthday Mead did you have man? But, at last we can see your true colors and hidden ambitions; I'd recommend that you don't conquer the earth or Slothaopia will be forced to retaliate against you, and I'd hate to do that (because then I'd never get those tapes from you :^). Don't worry though, my long term plans include getting Gargoyles into "mschools"; though you might want to talk with someone about your (I'm sure temporary) disagreement towards midgets.

It's talk like this that really encourages me to get drunk for the first time. I came of age last month, but I didn't bother to try because alcohol tastes worse then ashes, IMO.

Again, happy 21st Gabe. Take care of yourself, and your new dread locks.

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Lord Sloth - [spunkdige13@hotmail.com]
Oakville, ON, Canada
Saturday, November 30, 2002 01:45:28 AM
IP: 142.55.22.187

oh yes, and i am at someones house typing on their computer hes so nice! adn I even some chinese food i wanted to tell the lady "and then!" but she could see i was someone you know so i just ate rice and hopefullly I on';t thorw up. i am going now bye I LVOE YOU GUYS!!!!! YOU"RE SO COOL
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Friday, November 29, 2002 11:37:32 PM
IP: 66.25.35.73

Hi,

you know what, I;ve decided that once I conquer the world, I am going to make mschools come eqipped with Gargoyles yes that's what I 'm gonna do because you aknow, that's just how it's gonna be. And then, aftyer everyones my slave i'm gonna set them all free exceot for midgets!!@! heqrh cuz they're so funny, espe cially on tricyucles :)))))) HA! and they thought they could beat me forevevr ahhhhhh there's thi really drunk guy right behind meand hes so loudw and my friend steve just scaereds me3 but as my grandma would say BAH!



man I love you guys you all are so coolcuzx I can just come in here and post and peopole will read it and respond cuz ou dont get that in real life except when you turn in papers and get nice grades cuz thats cool and all. YEs! it is. If you ever read Ulysses Joyce says Yes a lot and derrrirda said something important aboutYes but I cant remember possibly cuz I didnt read it and only read about it but oh well i odn't care

have fun and watch gagoyles cuz gol;iath is fun to oogle at YES!!!YES indeed and reaed Ulysses cuzx its tough and stuff YEs
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Friday, November 29, 2002 11:34:25 PM
IP: 66.25.35.73

Happy Birthday Gabby !, don't drink to much :)
Babs
Philly
Friday, November 29, 2002 10:24:56 PM
IP: 68.80.98.67

Woohooo! I'm 21 today! And I got paid some seirous cash to shave my dreads and beard. Still gonna grow it all out though again >:). *goes out to drink*
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Friday, November 29, 2002 08:36:52 PM
IP: 64.219.214.49

I just posted a new Guardians fanfic, "Speed Demons." It's set at the Sterling Academy, when track star Dee Maza gets a real run for her money from new student Feral St. John, as well as the improved team from rival Diamond Academy. Click for the fic, or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/speed_demons.html
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, November 29, 2002 12:31:25 PM
IP: 65.239.13.149

Not to change the subject (which seems to have withered as quickly as it blossomed), but . . .

I'm working on a story, and I need to know - the counterspell that was destroyed along with the original curse placed on Goliath and the others. Does anyone know how it went, in Latin or in English? Or does anybody at least have a theory about how it would have sounded? I ask this because I suck at creating spells ;) Thanks!

Sincerely, Allaine
Allaine - [eac2nd@yahoo.com]
Friday, November 29, 2002 10:46:28 AM
IP: 152.163.189.68

OK here's mine- "National Velvet" and Gargoyles: Mickey Rooney who starred in National Velvet, also starred in "The Black Stallion", which was co-written for the big screen by Melissa Mathison, who is Harrison Ford's wife, whose co-star in two of the Indiana Jones movies was John Rhys-Davies, who voiced MacBeth on Gargoyles.
warrioress
Wednesday, November 27, 2002 09:31:08 PM
IP: 63.187.232.184

I started to ask about the degree of separation of "Boston Public" to "Gargoyles" and the obvious answer clicked. So I have a different questions about degrees of separation: Gargoyles to Law & Order (current cast).
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, November 27, 2002 05:40:30 PM
IP: 204.94.193.62

Everyone have a safe and happy Turkey day, don't eat to much, and mail me the left over cranberry sauce :) yummy yumm
Gobble Gobble
Babs
Philly, Pa
Wednesday, November 27, 2002 03:06:17 PM
IP: 68.80.98.67

My own random degree of separation - Gargoyles and Elvis. Bill Fagerbakke was on Coach with Shelly Fabares, who starred in Clambake with Elvis (actually, I think she was in two or three Elvis movies). Broadway - the hunka hunka burnin' love.

Sincerely, Allaine
Allaine - [eac2nd@yahoo.com]
Philadelphia, PA
Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:10:25 AM
IP: 152.163.189.68

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Anonymous
Wednesday, November 27, 2002 09:44:27 AM
IP: 152.163.189.68

Avalon fauna > The only effect constant exposure to Avalon's magic seems to have is that a powerful enough fay - like Oberon - can tap into the magic so as to manipulate the plants. If Katherine, Tom, and the Magus were there with the Eggs for 40+ years without being attacked by the trees, that seems to be a fair indicator that the plant life on Avalon doesn't behave strangely unless someone wants it too.

Random trivia time...

"Gargoyles" to "That 70s Show" in one degree of separation: Thom Adcox (voice of Lexington) appeared in the film "Under Seige 2", playing a computer technician who had scenes with an Army general played by Kurtwood Smith, who now stars as Red Forman on "That 70s Show."

The same connection, BTW, will also get you "Gargoyles" to "Robocop" in one step. ;)
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, November 27, 2002 07:05:37 AM
IP: 67.38.244.228

Airwalker - <But how long of a World Tour would it give them if this was the route that Greg went with? It would be something like a year or two wouldn't it? That might be too much of a time stretch - it wouldn't be like filling in the time between AVALON 3 and PENDRAGON for Arthur - it could be a significant amount of time.> According to the archives, I'm going to speculate that Jade & Turquesa made it home by the time of "The Journy". I really wish I could discuss my theory about that return trip home, but I'm in a slight pickle about discussing it right now. <The part about Zafiro stuck pretty clearly in my head but I didn't remember that part about Jade and Turquesa.> The part about Jade and Turquesa stuck in my head and I didn't remember Zafiro being mentioned so we're even.

Now that I have a copy all of the Gargoyle episodes, I can't wait to participate in the DCVs. Any ideas on when the next one is.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 09:31:19 PM
IP: 204.94.193.55

DPH - My mistake. The part about Zafiro stuck pretty clearly in my head but I didn't remember that part about Jade and Turquesa.

(And actually it might be a much easier way to deal with the Guatemala Clan and the Sun Amulet. Its a bit more complicated to get Zafiro to Manhattan than it is to get Jade and Turquesa. But how long of a World Tour would it give them if this was the route that Greg went with? It would be something like a year or two wouldn't it? That might be too much of a time stretch - it wouldn't be like filling in the time between AVALON 3 and PENDRAGON for Arthur - it could be a significant amount of time.

I think that I'd like to have it be Zafiro come to Manhattan to get the Amulet even with the difficulty of giving him a way to know that its there and in actually getting him to the city itself. It would set some interesting family stories for Zafiro 2198 to have passed onto him and it could open up the "secret" of who actually owns that stretch of forest. It would be an interesting way to bring in another Renard story.)


GREG BISHANSKY - You wrote: [Some how I don't think the magic would harm those trees, I mean it seems to have no affect on the mortals who eat the fruit that grows there, so I think they would be fine.]

True. I was just trying to bring up the idea that it could be possible that magic might have some effect on everything living and growing on Avalon. Doesn't have to mean anything bad or good for either the transplanted trees or Gargoyles. Only that there is another factor in influence in the Avalonian environment. Still I can't help but feel that there has to be some effect to a constant exposure to magic. I keep thinking of it in terms of radiation almost; something has to be happening even if its not a bad or dangerous thing, even if it might be neutral.

You wrote: [As for Oberon, I don't think he'd mind, or even give it much thought.]

True; I was thinking along the lines of fickle royalty perhaps wanting to put something in the spot where they planted and not caring about the trees or why they were put there. Or perhaps them not having the same aura of Magic as the rest of the Avalonian Environment sort of killing his view of the island.


BABS - You wrote: [I was also wondering how Zafiro knew that the amulet was in N.Y.]

Well if Broadway still has it then its possible that he's shown it to Angela or tried to give it to her as a gift. In which case she would have gone through the trouble of trying to contact Zafiro and having him come to pick it up. (Or alternately when everything settled down after HUNTERS MOON and the Clan had time to sort through everything Elisa gathered from the Clocktower then Goliath would have spotted the Amulet and put two and two together. Then with a little help from him new multi-billionare resource it would easy to get Zafiro to NYC to pick it up.)
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 09:10:49 PM
IP: 12.88.163.82

From the Ask Greg Archives:

Pamber writes...

have jade and turquesa returned to guatemala from avalon yet? did they go on adventures wherever avalon sent them?

Greg responds...

Yes. Yes.

* * *

F.A writes...

Whatever happened to the Guatamalan Sun Amulet? The last time we saw it Broadway was holding it when he turned to stone.

Greg responds...

Broadway still has it. But eventually I would have had Zafiro come and get it. (Or maybe Jade & Turquesa en route back from Avalon.)
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 05:17:47 PM
IP: 204.94.193.41

The does help with the plant issue and danke Airwalker for helping me with my next boggle, since how would the plants conintue to live there. I figure that the plants would listen to Oberonn since they are in his dirt. I was also wondering how Zafiro knew that the amulet was in N.Y., only 2 ppl knew what it was and where it was, I highly doubt that Jackel and Hyena would tell the gargoyles where it was, as for Broadway having it, he didn't even know what it was let alone knew to it belonged to.
Babs
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 01:00:14 PM
IP: 68.80.98.67

AIRWALKER> <<(On top of that who knows what Oberon is going to think about the whole thing once he gets back - those plants wouldn't be of Avalon and might not obey him the same way everything else growing on Avalon was doing in ILL MET BY MOONLIGHT. Not to mention that the magic of Avalon might have some adverse effect of the real world plants. Who knows what that high a concetration of magic might do to them?)>> Some how I don't think the magic would harm those trees, I mean it seems to have no affect on the mortals who eat the fruit that grows there, so I think they would be fine. As for Oberon, I don't think he'd mind, or even give it much thought. He may be arrogant (he is royalty after all), but he is not some power-mad tyrant.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:08:41 AM
IP: 216.179.5.194

DPH - You wrote: [Along the way, they made a stop in NYC to pick up the Mayan Sun Amulet.]

Actually according to the Archive they have some adventures and return to Guatemala. But they don't actually come to NYC. Zafiro later independently comes to NYC to retrieve the Sun Amulet.


BABS - You wrote: [What I'm wondering how did they know that they would go back there, and how would them 2 get back to Guatemala. It never really went that far into it, and I was just wondering about it.]

They got their own sort of World Tour although I'd personally lean towards it being a short run (i.e. One or two small adventures and then stumbling across where they actually wanted to be). I'm sure that Goliath and Company let them in on the whole "Avalon sends you where you need to be" when they were deciding to make the trip so Jade and Turquesa knew what they would be in for.

What I really wonder is how exactly would Zafiro later on learn where the Sun Amulet is and how he would get to NYC. Also why everyone (i.e. Goliath and Company) is so sure that the plants that Jade and Turquesa are bringing to Avalon are going to thrive. There isn't really any guarantee especially once those two leave and stop actually tending to it.

(On top of that who knows what Oberon is going to think about the whole thing once he gets back - those plants wouldn't be of Avalon and might not obey him the same way everything else growing on Avalon was doing in ILL MET BY MOONLIGHT. Not to mention that the magic of Avalon might have some adverse effect of the real world plants. Who knows what that high a concetration of magic might do to them?)
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 09:49:09 AM
IP: 12.88.161.65

Read the Ask Greg Archive. Jade and Turquesa eventually returned to Guatamela, by the time of the Gathering. Along the way, they made a stop in NYC to pick up the Mayan Sun Amulet.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, November 25, 2002 11:53:48 PM
IP: 204.94.193.14

*corrects spelling* Sorry Babs I didn't mean to get your name wrong.
Jenna
Monday, November 25, 2002 11:48:54 PM
IP: 206.148.230.34

Baba> The fact is the two that went to Avalon and did not intend to come back. Elisa even said that they (not going to try for the names lol) would go and see that the samples thrived and grew well the others stayed behind to continue to protect the forest there. They had no promise that Avalon would sent them back but to them it did not matter. *grins* Hope that helps.
Jenna
Monday, November 25, 2002 11:48:02 PM
IP: 206.148.230.34

Great I tried to get in line, but it seems I lost track of time since last night I was downloading every Billy Idol and AC/DC song I could get my slimy little hands on, then I fell asleep. I'll try next week.

But since I'm here let me boggle some minds. In the episode "The Green" the gargoyles there were there to protect the jungle but at the end when (sry if I get thier names mixed up) Turquesa, and Jade went with Goliath to bring some of the plants to Avalon to grow, but what I'm wondering how did they know that they would go back there, and how would them 2 get back to Guatemala. It never really went that far into it, and I was just wondering about it.
Babs
Philly
Monday, November 25, 2002 02:24:44 PM
IP: 68.80.98.67

Tenth!
Spacebabie
Monday, November 25, 2002 09:30:11 AM
IP: 67.25.52.24

9th!
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Monday, November 25, 2002 09:26:16 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

8th!
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, November 25, 2002 08:41:02 AM
IP: 12.88.163.58

Lucky number 7!
Patrick Toman
Monday, November 25, 2002 07:06:18 AM
IP: 67.38.244.228

6TH!!!!!

best i've done in awhile...
matt
Monday, November 25, 2002 06:13:24 AM
IP: 207.230.48.72

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Numba Five. I'm still alive.
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Lord Sloth
Monday, November 25, 2002 02:38:15 AM
IP: 142.55.22.187

Fourth? Woo hoo! :)
Ravyn
Monday, November 25, 2002 01:11:42 AM
IP: 150.135.118.129

Third in the name of the Fay!

MC
Mooncat
Monday, November 25, 2002 12:18:13 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Well what do you know first. Now I really feel like I need to get a life. LOL

Any Who has anyone heared about John Rhys-Davies and how he is doing? Let me know. Thanks!
Jenna
Monday, November 25, 2002 12:02:32 AM
IP: 206.148.228.74

Second! And here's hoping that this week is more active than the last.
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
Monday, November 25, 2002 12:01:26 AM
IP: 209.198.12.162

Just because I am on I thought I would try my hand a being first to say hi this week.

So Greetings and Blessings for the distant and great city of Westrich!
Jenna
Monday, November 25, 2002 12:00:14 AM
IP: 206.148.228.74