Comments for the week ending July 5, 2004

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*walks in and places hand over heart* I pledge allegience to the Gargs. Of the United Clans of the World. And to Goliath, for which he glides. One clan, Under Greg, with kiwis and gerbils for all.
Siren
USASunday, July 4, 2004 09:54:48 PM
IP: 65.33.115.17

Lynati> Thanks!!! Now I have CLEAR images of my Two favorite Gargoyle designs: "Daedalus" and "The Green One" (As you call them). Personally, I used "The Green One" when Ever I'd wtite a fan fiction; haven't fone THAT in years.

THE MIRROR> Ah, The Mirror! I was socked to see the outcome of the ep; I had NO CLUE that this "Puck" was so cunning!

Elisa looks good as a Gargoyle, but none of the Gargoyles look good as humans (I had a good long laugh when I saw Hudson, though.)

I would like to have seen some interaction between the humans-turned-gargoyles and Manhattan clan. Might have led somewhere.

SHAKESPEARE> This is the episode that got me hooked on Shakespeare. I mean, I was so taotally engrossed with the name "A Midsummer Night's Dream" that I read the play and then wento see it again and again and again.

In Fact, Edmonton's River City Shakespeare Festival put on "Dream" last year and I went to see it eight times!!

This year the festival is putting on "Merchant of Venice" and "Twelfth Night." I don't have tickets yet, and my time is running out to go see them, but I'll make it. :)

GREG W.> If you read this, thanks again for this episode!! You and possibly Michael got me hooked on Shakespeare, anmd I love it!! Thanks a bundle!!!

That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
Edmonton, Canada
Sunday, July 4, 2004 06:56:47 PM
IP: 142.59.132.116

Happy Fourth of July, everybody!
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, July 4, 2004 06:49:39 PM
IP: 4.245.16.138

Matt- if you really want to know the origin of the names, leave me or send me your email address, and I'll mail them to you. I don't want to spam up the room.

Nickerous- no thank you; my main reason for doing them all on my own is to keepthe image size and quality consistent, and as much without logos as possible. It's going to be easier just to keep importing my own. I may make an exception for the "scenes", but I don't intend to get back to those for a while.

Siren: thank you. : )
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Sunday, July 4, 2004 11:17:16 AM
IP: 66.140.74.229

Lynati> I've got about 400 screen caps myself. I'll email them to you if you'd like to use them. I think it's somewhere between 350 and 400. Haven't looked at them lately.
Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
SC, USA
Sunday, July 4, 2004 11:02:05 AM
IP: 66.220.75.62

Lynati> AWESOME site! we've been needing this for a long time! thanks so much...
have some comments on the "Clan Wyvern Dead" and "Clan Avalon" pages.
first, where did you get the names?
'Theo'-always been one of my favorite gargoyles in the entire series. glad to finally see some decent pics of him!
'MEBB'-looks too like Brook to not be related... does his name stand for "might even be brooklyn"?
'OWB'-probably related to Lex, whats his name mean?
'Ganara'-one of the very few Wyvern gargoyle females we see. looks like she might've been related to Goliath. very nice.
'Icaunis'- i asked Greg about this gargoyle before and he didn't know what i was talking about. i wondered if this is similiar in some ways to the Loch ness Clan gargoyles. perhaps multi-racial? or maybe some full blooded Wyvern gargs were just very aquatic looking?
'Bith'-still trying to figure out what is on his head/shoulders?
'Zephkiel'-the brave gargoyle who decided to take on the Archmage with a spear. good for him... until the Archmage zapped him...
'Gwion'-always liked his wing style... somewhat like 'Theo's'
'Ezekial'-i always assumed those were his ears and that they just flopped down instead of perked up like most 'goyles... just look at certain dog breeds with hanging ears, same thing.
'Daedalus'-absoltly one of the most basic, but most beautiful garg designs in the series, IMHO.

thats all i've got. would love to hear what others think!

later guys... i have a date with a pillow...
matt
Sunday, July 4, 2004 01:56:51 AM
IP: 207.230.48.48

*bookmarks it immediatly* Awesome site Lyanti!!!
Siren
Saturday, July 3, 2004 09:00:13 PM
IP: 65.33.112.117

For those artists or costumers who may be interested, my screencap archive has now been updated with multiple images of nearly every living gargoyle from the show (and undead zombie gargoyles as well, in the case of "Shadows of the Past"), should anyone need fresh references. The clones and the rest of clan Avalon should be up within the next few days.
Lynati
<-- click!
Saturday, July 3, 2004 08:24:55 PM
IP: 64.216.140.51

I ahve a question that I hope someone here may be able to answer. I have searched through the 'ask greg' archives and haven't found any mention of it. So here goes.

In 'future tense' both Demona and Brooklyn cape thier wings differently, using thier little hands to hang onto thier sholders. Has this been seen in ANY other Episode?

I apologise if this has been answered before, and I hope you all have fun at your Gathering. I stumbled across this far to late to make this years.
Runta - [Runta@thsept.com]
Saturday, July 3, 2004 08:15:55 PM
IP: 66.55.201.173

A little Gathering announcement: We're extending the deadline for pre-registration by five days, to July 20th, coinciding with the recently extended deadline for hotel reservations. That means...

18 days left to reserve your hotel room at the Delta Centre-Ville (deadline is July 20 at noon).
18 days left to pre-register for The Gathering 2004 (deadline is July 20).
34 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick
Saturday, July 3, 2004 04:43:38 PM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Siren> I'd like to have them up sometime this month, but I don't know. My brother-in-law just got dsl again, so maybe I can do something with that.
Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
SC, USA
Friday, July 2, 2004 11:15:20 PM
IP: 66.220.74.15

Mirror- Everybody's favorite episode.

Dream: Psychedelic Man!


CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Friday, July 2, 2004 02:14:38 PM
IP: 65.244.171.25

Siren > Where did you e-mail them to? The only e-mail address I moniter is "registration@..." but if you can tell me where they were sent, I'll find out who may have them.
Patrick
Friday, July 2, 2004 12:44:02 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Patrick>BTW, reminding me of music videos. I emailed my videos in a few weeks ago for the contest and I never got a reply.
Siren
Friday, July 2, 2004 08:06:32 AM
IP: 65.33.112.117

Psychology > Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Brooklyn's crushes > Yeah, did make a pretty big (three-letter word for donkey) out of himself over Angela. But then again, so did Lex and Broadway.

Music vids > There's a recent song by Elton John called "I Want Love" that would make for a really good Brooklyn music vid. "I want love / But it's impossible / A man like me / So irresponsible..."

Le countdown...

14 days left to pre-register for The Gathering 2004 (deadline is July 15).
35 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick
Friday, July 2, 2004 06:48:01 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Has anyone ever contemplated the psychological implications of the show? I had a dream the other night, in which I discovered episodes of "Gargoyles 2198" on the internet. As my dream persona watched these episodes, the world outside of the episodes and the one inside began to intermingle in typical dream fashion. What particularly interested me, upon awakening from this dream, were the symbolic connections I made. For instance, I decided that Xanatos represented my ego in the dream, and concluded that he also stood for ego in the show. In my dream, Elisa and my dream persona switched roles often, becoming almost as one. I think she represented the 'Self,' which, in psychology, refers to the inner source of creativity that begets the ego. Anyway, I got to thinking about Elisa, and one fanfic I particularly liked involved the idea of her waking from a dream, and it turns out that all of the show was this lonely woman's fantasy! That fanfic made an impression on me, and I think, for all fans, Elisa may have come to represent the 'Self.'

So what does the rest represent, was my next question. The gargoyles, as beings who turn to stone during the day, are sort of like metaphors for the conscious mind, which can never directly perceive the unconscious world. To a gargoyle, daytime is the same as the unconscious is to us. In fact, there is a particular emphasis on the Sun in the show, with many characters extolling its beauty with an almost holy reverence. The sun is an almost laughably universal symbol for 'Self,' which is the center and the life of the unconscious.

I even got to thinking of the three races. You know: humans, gargoyles, and Oberon's Children. Humans would seem to represent normal consciousness. Gargoyles represent the border between the conscious and the unconscious. Oberon's Children represent the archetypal psyche, which is what C.G. Jung used to call the unconscious. He believed the unconscious contained universal symbols, or 'archetypes,' and that these archetypes could be found to manifest themselves outwardly in all culture throughout all history.

The world of Gargoyles almost seems like it is one, big psyche and all of the characters are pieces and parts. I wonder if Greg Weisman crafted it this way on purpose. What I know for sure is that this must account for at least some, and probably most, of the lasting appeal the show has.
solipstatic
Friday, July 2, 2004 05:08:10 AM
IP: 172.161.214.160

"The Mirror" - I've not seen many episodes, but I remember finally getting to see this ep.. I had already saw quite a few eps, I think it took me 3 rotations of the series on Toon Disney before I finally saw it.

I'm looking forward to the DVDs, because maybe then I can see all the episodes *laughs*

Anyways, I loved this episode. I know it is one that has links further in the series, so that holds alot to the episode. That, and the comedy in it... heh :D

ok, dorkish review... it's been a few years since I've seen the ep.. I don't even know if I have any eps on tape anymore... I prob do, but I have no clue where they are :S...


Patricia Lovelady - [sabre0link@hotmail.com]
Montevallo, AL, USA
Friday, July 2, 2004 12:32:38 AM
IP: 216.77.181.156

Nick>When can we see all your vids?
Siren
Thursday, July 1, 2004 11:55:24 PM
IP: 65.33.112.117

I checked in a graphical browser, and I think I'm still the only one using Dark Cyan.

First, I have a response to a question from Babs that just showed up on Ask Greg.
Babs writes...

hallo again,
In episode " seeing is'nt believeing, Elisa doesnt call Goliath by his name
when he is human, was that done on purpose so it gave us a more understanding
that he was human ( because no in thier right mind would name thier child that)

- - -

As any other fans from the Tampa Bay area may remember, a recent police chief of St. Petersburg had the name GOLIATH Davis! It may be an uncommon name, but not unheard of.

Crushes and "The Mirror">> Again, I must mention that I think Lex's sexuality cannot be placed in tidy little box, based on this ep and Greg's revelations.


Brooklyn's crushes>> In light of my earlier comments, I will add that Brooklyn was a @##@$$$#!!?! around Angela. A real asinine @#@#$$#@#$!
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Thursday, July 1, 2004 11:18:45 PM
IP: 4.247.143.33

The Mirror> Loved this episode. Great story and wonderful animation. Plus, another Star Trek: TNG voice! My 5th video uses a lot of footage from this episode. The video is entitled "Puck", so there are only a few episodes I could have used here.

Taking a break from videos. I've got a couple I'm kicking around but nothing that I want to start on yet. I'm still waiting for just the right song. I'd like to do one of Macbeth or either the Trio.
Nickerous - [nickerous@tahoo.com]
SC, USA
Thursday, July 1, 2004 11:13:49 PM
IP: 66.220.74.13

That line about "You serve the human" I caught it the first time. I did wonder for the moment. I thought he served some human, but I thought he served the human AS Puck. Never in my wildest dreams did I think it was Xanatos he served and he did it as Owen. And when Puck revealed him...That was the first time in a series ever I watched that I yelled the words, outloud "Oh my God!", lol
Siren
Thursday, July 1, 2004 08:59:19 PM
IP: 65.33.112.117

Watched my tape of "The Mirror" this afternoon. Another one of those landmark episodes, of course, with the introduction of Puck (and of Oberon's Children in the background), Goliath and Elisa's feelings for each other being advanced, and Demona winding up with a very interesting personal change by the end.

There's not much new that I can say about it, although this time around, I noticed that the subway station that Demona and Puck duck into has a big number 42 on it. What the question it was answering is, is anybody's guess....

Of course, there's lots of memorable things here. Goliath taking Elisa for a glide after she gets turned into a gargoyle and commenting about how he never realized how beautiful she was, Elisa asks amusedly, "You mean you thought I was ugly?", and Goliath hurriedly replying, "Um - careful, updraft!" The trio briefly flirting with the three female gargoyles in the subway (going back to those earlier comments this week - I think that Demonskyre raised them - about Brooklyn's crushes). Puck constantly misinterpreting Demona's commands to create even more comical chaos. (Demona should have paid more attention to "A Midsummer Night's Dream" - if she had, she'd have been better prepared for this in light of the mess that Puck made with those Athenian lovers.) Elisa rescuing a falling Goliath, for a change, after he gets turned into a human. Puck turning Bronx into a large dog and then wishing that he'd turned him into a chihuahua instead. The bit where all those New Yorkers are running in terror from the transformed gargoyles, shouting "Humans!", and Hudson asks Goliath "Are you sure this is a good idea?" (the scene's all the funnier because of how Ed Asner delivers that line). The moment where Goliath and Elisa are both humans. And so on. Not to mention the bit where one of Demona's thugs is saying outside the door to her house, "Who lives here, anyway? Dracula's daughter?" and Demona promptly snarls at him from inside as if to say "I heard that!"

And, as extra foreshadowing for the future, Demona saying to Puck, "You serve the human; you can serve me." A line that I never paid any attention to until *after* I saw "The Gathering", and then it became significant to me. I wonder how many people picked up on that one the first time that they saw "The Mirror".
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, July 1, 2004 06:44:26 PM
IP: 4.244.18.155

HAPPY CANADA DAY!!!! THE GREATEST HOLIDAY OF THEM ALL!!!

HAPPY 137TH BIRTHDAY, CANADA!!!

***PLANTS A CANADAIN FLAG 2,838 KM WEST OF WINGLESS!!!***

O, Canada, we stand on guard, for thee...


Battle Beast
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, July 1, 2004 06:17:21 PM
IP: 142.59.132.116

HAPPY CANADA DAY!!!! THE GREATEST HOLIDAY OF THEM ALL!!!

HAPPY 137TH BIRTHDAY, CANADA!!!

***PLANTS A CANADAIN FLAG 2,838 KM WEST OF WINGLESS!!!***

O, Canada, we stand on guard, for thee...


Battle Beast
Thursday, July 1, 2004 06:17:03 PM
IP: 142.59.132.116

Countdown correction:

15 days left to pre-register for The Gathering 2004 (deadline is July 15).
36 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick
Thursday, July 1, 2004 12:59:19 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Gathering Hotel Update:

Good news for anyone who still hasn't booked their room. We have gotten the reservations deadline extended by two weeks. You now have until July 20th at noon to reserve your hotel room at the Delta Centre-Ville. Be sure to mention you're with The Gathering 2004 to receive the discounted rate.

Also, we have asked the hotel to shuffle the remaining available rooms in our block around a bit to make a few more rooms available at the block rate for Thursday and Sunday nights. So if you were told when you booked that there were no rooms left on either of those days, you can call back before the 20th to ensure you get the special rate.

Phoenix Gate Anthology:

To clear up a rumor that's been going around, NO, you do NOT have to attend the convention to purchase a copy of the Anthology. All Anthology, T-shirt, and Pin pre-orders received from fans not attending the Gathering will be shipped out after the convention. You can also have a friend who IS attending pick up your stuff for you, but you must e-mail us first to let us know who is allowed to pick it up.

Supporting Memberships:

Even if you absolutely, positively, cannot attend, not even if a magic skiff washed up in your bathtub... please consider showing your love for "Gargoyles" and the fandom by purchasing a supporting membership. Every little bit helps as we head to Montreal and try to show the folks at Disney how big a following "Gargoyles" still has.

17 days left to pre-register for The Gathering 2004 (deadline is July 15).
38 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick - [registration@gatheringofthegargoyles.com]
Thursday, July 1, 2004 12:56:56 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Yes, Happy Canada Day to everyone north of the border!

And I *enthusiastically* encourage anyone who enjoys top-notch Gargoyles fan fiction and/or fan art to click on Christine's link below. The Phoenix Gate Anthology features some pretty big names (e.g. hers), and she and Tim did a splendid job with editing and layout to boot. In short, the book looks fabulous. But don't take my word for it -- Christine's link includes information on how to obtain your own copy of the anthology. Go ahead, check it out!
Ellen - [EFStolfa@aol.com]
Chicago
Thursday, July 1, 2004 01:08:45 AM
IP: 205.188.116.214

Happy Canada Day for those who celebrate it. It's our 137th Birthday for those who might be wondering.

*Plants a big red & white Maple leaf flag and scoots out*

An andvanced happy July 4th to you US'ers ^_^
Wingless
Thursday, July 1, 2004 12:05:06 AM
IP: 24.157.218.68

The Phoenix Gate Anthology -- click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/pga_page.html for an advance look! And pre-order your copy today!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, July 1, 2004 12:03:07 AM
IP: 67.136.147.184

Hmm. About 22 more questions until Greg Weisman reaches the start of the last of the Gathering 2002 Journals.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:28:38 PM
IP: 67.14.195.45

Babs> I have a cell from Lady and the Tramp, Chip and Dale (An old Doneald Duck cartoon I think), Gummie Bears and one of Gargoyles (A generic Brooklyn one). My Lady and the Tramp one is of Lady and Tramp eating Spagehtti. The Brooklyn one... It's of him just before he turns to stone in the menacing pose.

I have them all framed and If I can get my hands on a digital camara, I can make pics to show.

But I do envy you; Sleeping Beauty cells are VERY hard to come by! Lucky you!!!

That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
CanadaWednesday, June 30, 2004 06:36:59 PM
IP: 142.59.132.116

Not to change the subject, I've been looking for the Disney DVD Sword in the Stone, I could never find it lower than $ 40.00 used, my mom told me to check out the Disney site, so I did and I found it !!! $20 BUCKERS !!! .

I was also looking at the cell art and came across a sericel
of Sleeping Beauty Prince Philly and Princess Aurora, and in my opinion is one of the best (my Fav.) disney movie that was done and for 295.00 I couldnt turn it down, so I will shorty be a owner of a copy :). I was happy I had to share it.
http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Section_Id=14416&Product_Id=151706

Ok you may turn to your regular topic

Babs
Philadelphia, Pa
Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:40:27 AM
IP: 68.80.222.40

I hear in Japan, they show a Japanese subtitled version of the mini-series in schools to teach the students about Feudal Japan.

Paul Cousins
GA, USA
Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:48:39 PM
IP: 68.220.56.159

Todd Jensen: "I agree with you about Brooklyn. Hopefully he'll have outgrown that stage of (as Greg Weisman put it) confusing crushes with true love by the time that he meets Katana in feudal Japan. (Actually, based on what we know, he'd have to, but that's another story.)"

Given how rigid the Japanese Culture was during the Feudal Era, Brooklyn's courting of Katana could have literally been a "Taming the Shrew" situation.

For anyone who wants to know what I am talking about, go read the book Shogun, or rent the mini-series. Though slow at some points, it is pretty informative about the Japanese Feudal Era, I hear they show a Japanese subtitled version of the mini-series in schools to teach the students about Feudal Japan.


Paul Cousins
GA, USA
Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:46:30 PM
IP: 68.220.56.159

I'll choose white this time if everyone's choosing blue. I can't really tell, as I am not using a graphical browser! Please tell me if you have any problems.

Lighthouse in the Sea of Time>>
I first learned of this episode in a TV Guide review, which mentioned that it continued Gargoyle's "tradition of literate storytelling." (approximate quote) At the time, I wondered if that was a complement to the series, or simply a play off of a overwrought story about literacy. I think that thought colored my viewing of this ep, as it did seem heavy-handed, especially with Broadway's "It takes you there" line (which actually *was* understandable, given Broadway's personality) and Hudson's desire to read Merlin's scrolls (which were probably not in English?).

Over time, these quirks have grown into real puzzles in my head. For instance, it still surprises me that Hudson and Broadway were the only two gargoyles that couldn't read. More shockingly, throughout the first season (IIRC) we see Goliath with challenging novels, and hear Lex and Brook seriously discuss reading Shakespeare! How did they become such skilled readers of English in such a short time? Was this to show that gargoyles were more intelligent than humans?

Lighthouse did introduce us to Robbins, however, and began the Arthurian plot arch (Who here expected to see Arthur in the present-day after this ep?) Despite my quibbles, it was a good ep, espically considering what other cartoon shows were doing.


Brooklyn and Maggie>> This is fortuitous time for this topic to arise, considering that Blaise's rant just popped up today.

I'm not sure that Brooklyn wanted "true love" from Maggie so much as he wanted some companionship with the opposite sex. Outside of his attempts to save the "damsel in distress, he seems quite guarded and opaque in his interactions with Maggie, constantly referring to friendship rather than romance. From this, it seems that Brooklyn grows to realize that he merely has a crush on Maggie, but cannot dismiss her from his heart despite her rejection -- a rather painful torture, no? Maggie realizes something as well: Brooklyn wasn't the monster she first perceived. This all leads to a terribly ironic moment that saw Maggie becoming ready to befriend Brooklyn at the same time that her commitment with Talon drives him away.

I must admit, however, that at this point, I couldn't help but think of the Arthur-Guenivere(sp)-Lancelot situation. I doubt that would come up, though.

The Modern Wyvern Nightmare>>
The scenario is rather unpleasant for the clan, especially for Goliath and Brooklyn. Goliath's demons are well-documented in the recount of his return to Scotland and in the episode "Future Tense." He is ridden with survivor guilt, feeling that he must now bear the entire burden of the clan. It is a testament to Eliza that Goliath isn't more curt and combative than he is.

Brooklyn's situation still interests me, though. While there are several signs that Brook was very open and easy-going back in tenth-century Wyvern, Brooklyn seems to have become quite the introvert in the modern setting. He is unwilling to open up to most of the clan, even to Eliza or Hudson -- characters that have shown willingness to advise and comfort -- or to Goliath, who has become a distant father figure for Brooklyn to look up to. I argue that Brooklyn can only "hang out" (or "chill" or "be himself" or whatever-you-may-call-it) with Lexington, and even that avenue of friendship dries up as Lex's interests become more solitary. Back in Wyvern, Brooklyn apparently had various exploits to keep himself amused in such situations (even riding a horse at least once!!). Modern Manhattan denies him much of this. Brooklyn must feel insufferably suffocated.

It has been said that the Isle of Avalon sends travelers where they need to be. It's a wonder, a testament to self-discipline even, that Brooklyn resists the temptation to learn the appropriate spell and avail himself of this. At the very least, it would have been a palatable alternative to "Runaways"! :-P
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:36:58 PM
IP: 4.247.203.174

Now auditioning Bright Cyan. Will repost if illegible.

Todd> I'd forgotten about Greg saying that Brooklyn's probalem was "confusing crushes with true love". Sums it up much better than I did. And it's not unheard of; people do it all the time without having the excuse of thinking all the eligibles females of their species are dead.

I think you're right about the added benefit of the clan's focus on protection. As ColdStone points out in "Re-Awakening", without some kind of purpose in life, you're merely surviving. And given enough time, the gargs would probably start questioning the point of just surviving, not only as the last of their kind, but as a feared and isolated race. Protecting not only gives them a purpose, it also gives them a safe outlet for their frustrations.
Demonskrye
Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:13:43 PM
IP: 209.150.45.114

Greg once said that part of the point behind the trio quarrelling with each other in "Her Brother's Keeper" was to show how having to spend all their time together with no females to court or anything else like that was beginning to tell on them.

But, yes, Brooklyn's situation (and the clan's, in general) was far from enviable. It makes me wonder whether the gargoyles' decision to choose to protect Manhattan as their self-imposed mission could have helped them a little in giving them something to focus on other than the fact that they were probably the last of their kind, so that they wouldn't fall into despair.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, June 29, 2004 06:53:48 PM
IP: 4.244.18.30

I can't imagine how a bunch of guys all alone got along anyways. It must be tough, as a Gargoyle knowing you probably won't ever meet another female, and one pops up that could possibly be the only one you'll ever really see.

Poor Brooklyn. But with luck, that'll all change.

Lily Doll
Tuesday, June 29, 2004 01:57:41 PM
IP: 67.35.197.31

Well....finished video number 6 last night. This is one of those that sounds good when you're talking about it, but only looks ok when you finish it. It's not bad, but was one that I wanted to quit thinking about (actually started it before doing number 5, didn't like how it was going, so I deleted it).

When I first came in here to post, nobody was using Bright Green. Now, it's everywhere!
Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
SC, USA
Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:30:35 PM
IP: 66.220.74.68

DEMONSKRYE - I agree with you about Brooklyn. Hopefully he'll have outgrown that stage of (as Greg Weisman put it) confusing crushes with true love by the time that he meets Katana in feudal Japan. (Actually, based on what we know, he'd have to, but that's another story.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, June 28, 2004 07:02:56 PM
IP: 4.244.12.100

Lighthouse> Another one that I haven't seen in years, so I'm going by what I've ready and foggy memories. It is very much an "issue" episode. But I think one of the things that sets the ones in "Gargoyles" apart from other TV shows (aside from the reasons already mentioned) is that we're still getting stories that fit the characters. Nothing feels forced simply for the sake of tackling a social issue. The stories fit in with the characters. One reason for this, IMHO, is that both "Lighthouse" and "Deadly Force" come pretty early in the series. I don't think it would have been quite so believable if it was two-thirds of the way through season 2 and Broadway didn't understand guns or we just learned that he and Hudson were illiterate.

I remember Greg's ramble or note on this episode mentioning that Broadway and Hudson's attitudes towards their continued illiteracy were meant to mirror real life reasons people give for not learning to read; Broadway representing the common view of the young ("I don't need it. It's boring.") and Hudson the older ("I'm too old to learn how.")

"Lighthouse" isn't a huge favorite with me. I do think Broadway gets a little flowery about the Scrolls of Merlin being magic in their own way, though it does fit with him being someone who really has no clue about books. Still, it's a solid episode and the addition of Jeffrey Robins to the cast is very welcome.

Brooklyn in "Metamorphosis"> I'd kind of half-forgotten about this part of the plot, but i think it's a very important character episode for Brooklyn. Now I like Brooklyn, I think he's a smart character and a capable second-in-command. But when it comes to the females, Brooklyn gets a bit...less smart. Not that this isn't understandable. He's a gargoyle teenager. As far as he knows at this point, all the females of his species have been wiped out, save the crazy, manipulative, homicidal one. So when he sees Maggie for the first time, the closest thing he's seen to a female gargoyle since waking up that wasn't toting a lazer bazooka, he gets ahead of himself. He doesn't know who she is, what she's really like, or anything, but he's nonetheless attracted to her.

So why is this important? Because this IS the reason that Brooklyn does not end up with Angela. Not because "Broadway got in his way" or anything like that. Brooklyn, for all his good qualities, is just not mature enough to have a relationship yet. His criteria at this point seem to be "wings". The idea that Angela has many sisters back on Avalon may have made him somewhat less desperate, but they're still pretty unattainable. Brooklyn needs to mature enough to figure out what he is looking for in a mate before he can have a real adult relationship. It's a character flaw, but it's one he'll grow out of and until then, it makes him interesting.

Colors> Since a lot of people do seem to be using bright green, I m considering auditioning new colors. Is there a page that shows them all somewhere or do I just have to try them and see what's legible?

Demonskrye
Monday, June 28, 2004 02:14:42 PM
IP: 67.100.23.24

Metamorphosis -
I never really got too caught up in the mutates storyline. I didn't enjoy Xanatos's performance all that much because he actually came off quite compassionate rather than manipulative and sinister. I liked his attitude much better in "The Cage". The episode still offered plenty of other good tidbits: Brooklyn's desperate attempt to be Maggie's friend, the mellow scene back at the clocktower at the end, the good action scene at Gen-U-Tech, and Sevarius is brilliant whenever he's on stage.

Legion -
One of those great episodes where you take note of things more and more upon later viewings. I'm not sure why, but I always liked Desdemona. There's really not much to her though. She's not much more than the voice of reason to Othello. Of course, the parallels to Shakespeare's "Othello" are brilliantly done.

Lighthouse -
As has been mentioned, it dealt with literacy in the same fashion that "Deadly Force" handled gun control. Just as the interest in Demona's past heightened in "Enter Macbeth" and "Long Way to Morning", Macbeth became all the more intriguing and really set the stage for City of Stone in this episode. Jeffrey Robbins is yet another wonderful character that truly helps complete the world of Gargoyles.

Peace
Z
Monday, June 28, 2004 01:21:03 PM
IP: 66.143.159.109

dang, just missed it... oh well, looks like lucky number 11 for me... and i'm gonna need some luck this week... long story...
matt
Monday, June 28, 2004 12:25:40 PM
IP: 207.230.48.54

10th!!!

Top Ten!!!

If you're Canadian, GO VOTE!!!

That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
CanadaMonday, June 28, 2004 11:36:10 AM
IP: 142.59.132.116

#9
Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
SC, USA
Monday, June 28, 2004 11:19:47 AM
IP: 205.244.111.153

Number 8!

"Lighthouse" handled the importance of reading the way "Deadly Force" dealt with gun safety. Both conveyed an important message without ever being preachy or condescending. And that stands out because it's a pretty rare occurrence in children's television.

Countdown time again...

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Patrick
Monday, June 28, 2004 09:59:22 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

7.

Never liked "Lighthouse" as a kid, but I recognize the significance of it now that I'm older.

Still, I have to say my favorite cartoon about reading is still the South Park "Chicken Lover" Episode.
Officer Barbrady:"I thought was a magical, wonderful experience. Then I read this, Atlas Shrugged by Ann Rand. It was 900 pages of crap. It has completely and forever ruined the experience of reading for me."
(It went something like that.)
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Monday, June 28, 2004 09:50:13 AM
IP: 65.244.171.25

6th.

"A Lighthouse" is an episode that I grew to appreciate with further viewings. In line with Todd's comments about Macbeth's nature, I noticed he tells Broadway that he doesn't get any real pleasure out of fighting him to get the scroll canister back (but later, Macbeth seems willing enough to try Merlin's spells on Broadway). I also liked Broadway's response to Macbeth's speech about Camelot: "You were there," he says, almost in awe. And I liked the Robbins character; it would have been nice to see more of him.

"Legion" is an episode I only saw once, and never got on tape, so I had to read about it online. I hope the second season comes out on DVD so I can see this one for myself.
Abby
Minneapolis, MN
Monday, June 28, 2004 08:50:16 AM
IP: 161.225.1.12

5th.

Now for my write-up of "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time" from last night, since the room has cleared.

One of the things that I most like about this episode is the way that it handled the element of Merlin (and King Arthur) in it. Almost every animated series, if it lasts long enough and has the right set-up, eventually brings King Arthur, Merlin, and other elements of the Arthurian legend in somewhere. But the way that "Gargoyles" did it stood out by how it did it. Merlin was not portrayed as just another wizard. What it focused on was not his being a wizard, but his being King Arthur's tutor who inspired him to build Camelot. And this becomes especially clear when it turns out that the real subject of the Scrolls of Merlin isn't Merlin's magic, but his account of how he mentored the young Arthur. This makes "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time", in my opinion, one of the best (if not the best) uses of the Arthurian legend in television animation that I've yet seen.

Another thing that I like about this episode is the way that Broadway and Hudson are given different tones to their illiteracy. Broadway, at the beginning, is openly illiterate and doesn't see anything wrong with it Hudson is secretly illiterate and feels ashamed of it; he also fears that he's too old to learn how to read. The distinction between them made the episode all the richer and more varied.

This is Macbeth's second episode, and he becomes all the more intriguing. While we never find out exactly what he intended to do with Merlin's Scrolls while he believed that they contained his spells (my personal suspicion is that he was hoping to use them against Demona), we do learn more about him. His speech about Merlin and King Arthur shows how much he admires them both, and the fact that what he dwells on in the speech is the beauty and justice of Camelot rather than its power shows that he's, deep down, a much nobler figure than he initially appears. (A good lead-in to "City of Stone", where we find out all the more about what makes him tick.) He's still the antagonist in that he steals the Scrolls, but he's given some real depth here.

Owen's as fun as ever in his cameo at Castle Wyvern (which is almost an echo of the one that he had in "Leader of the Pack"; in that one, Brooklyn and Lexington are missing when Goliath goes to the castle and Broadway and Hudson accompany him, while here, it's the other way around). I wonder if his "You should know that I can't do that" line in response to Goliath's demand to be brought to Xanatos, Broadway, and Hudson is a subtle reference to his Puck alter ego and the fact that he can't use his magic while playing the role of Owen.

Other enjoyable moments:

Bronx sleeping on Lexington's magazines while Lex is trying to read them.

Hudson, learning that Jeffrey Robbins is a writer, says while staring at all the books on his shelves, "You wrote all these?" Jeffrey replies with a chuckle, "Wouldn't that be something?" (Jeffrey, who gets introduced in this episode, is another memorable character, even with only two appearances in the series - three if you include the Goliath Chronicles.)

Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, June 28, 2004 07:27:38 AM
IP: 4.244.12.20

4th!
Now that's a first - slow this week
Sheltie
Monday, June 28, 2004 06:58:41 AM
IP: 81.135.136.167

#3?
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, June 28, 2004 01:52:40 AM
IP: 67.14.195.48

OK 2nd by a second....
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Monday, June 28, 2004 12:00:47 AM
IP: 4.247.143.87

1st/
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Monday, June 28, 2004 12:00:17 AM
IP: 4.247.143.87

... One
Babs
Philadelphia, Pa
Monday, June 28, 2004 12:00:16 AM
IP: 68.80.222.40