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Christine Morgan made a good point about having Puck use his magic to restore Owen's stone arm. Puck's reasoning: It was for the boy's own protection when he was changing his diapers
Gantros
Sunday, November 14, 2004 12:50:34 PM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Technically changing Alex's diaper would fall under the protecting part of Oberon's decree to Puck. And since Oberon was never very specific about his orders, theoretically Puck could use his magic to help perhaps even premptively.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Sunday, November 14, 2004 04:06:06 AM
IP: 64.112.202.143
This is all giving new meaning to the bit in "The Gathering Part Two" where Goliath tells Oberon that letting Xanatos and Fox keep Alex "would mean less trouble for you".
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 13, 2004 07:42:41 PM
IP: 4.244.12.145
This is the question I am curious at seeing answered:
<<<"What comes out of a gargoyle?">>>
I can just see that one ending up in Smart Ass Answers. That or it may have to be totally censored Hehehehe
Siren
Saturday, November 13, 2004 07:29:28 PM
IP: 24.165.226.120
*chuckles* That's an image. Proof that babies cause problems to every race/species. Interesting.
Draconis Mk IV
UK Saturday, November 13, 2004 08:39:56 AM
IP: 83.100.150.108
<< "I'm not saying at this time. But BEFORE the battle and AFTER leaving the Eyrie Building, she did whisper something about getting some more diapers." >>
:: picks up a scrap from the cutting room floor ::
Oberon: We hereby strip you of all your powers, save when you are training or protecting the boy.
Titania: Or changing him. Phew. I decree that you should get on that one right away.
24 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Saturday, November 13, 2004 08:11:45 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45
10 more questions left from 2002!! Then it's 20 odd questions to span January 2003 through February 3, 2004. Then it skips on June 30, 2003. Of course, the total number of questions from 2003 is 368. Everything beyond that is from this year.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:24:26 AM
IP: 67.14.195.36
I see Greg's sense of humor is still as active as ever. :)
"
Hank writes...
What did titania whisper to fox before leaving the erie building after the battle of trying to take fox's son?
Greg responds...
I'm not saying at this time. But BEFORE the battle and AFTER leaving the Eyrie Building, she did whisper something about getting some more diapers."
I couldn't help but grin at his reply. :)
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Friday, November 12, 2004 11:32:40 PM
IP: 207.65.41.151
Voice actor sighting ... Tim and Becca inform me that Keith David's voice appears in HALO 2. I figure they'd know, because neither of them have done anything else since Tuesday ;)
Christine
Friday, November 12, 2004 12:39:39 PM
IP: 67.136.147.104
BB, Like I proved by Leo's comment, we all make mistakes.
Dec. 7th: the return of Father of the Pride and Season 1 on DVD, can't wait.
Matt Fews
Friday, November 12, 2004 10:46:56 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83
TODD, MATT> What I meant was that TODD watches SELECT episodes (Eye of the Beholder, Vows, Ulster, I think...) on certain days (like I did with MIA). Sorry for the confusion.
That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
CanadaFriday, November 12, 2004 10:37:57 AM
IP: 198.53.28.99
Oops, God I hate typos.
Matt Fews
Friday, November 12, 2004 10:35:57 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83
Matt Fews: "...who fought in WWW1 and therefore know what it was like back then."
Ah yes, the first of the "WWW" or "Domain Wars" I believe Nissan is still sore over losing Nissan.com.
Oh wait, you meant World WAR One.
LOL
No offense, Matt. I couldn't help finding this amusing. I'm sure you just typed "WWW" out of habbit. :D
Leo
Friday, November 12, 2004 10:02:01 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236
Battle Beast, It was me that suggested watching MIA, not Todd.
I too have grandparents who fought in WWW1 and therefore know what it was like back then.
However, of all the great pictures of Griff in that episode, why did Gore have to have one with Goliath in it as well.
Matt Fews
Friday, November 12, 2004 08:11:32 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83
Um, I never mentioned "M.I.A." at all yesterday. I think that you must be confusing me with somebody else, Battle Beast.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 12, 2004 08:09:31 AM
IP: 4.245.17.20
*blush* I always forget about the 11 oclock moments of remembrance. Certainly didn't mean I forgot the day though. My cousin's grandfather, deceased, served in WWII and was at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked. I will forever be frustrated with myself for not having talking with him more about those days of old. And my dad, deceased, served in Vietnam, and that's what really made me remember the day.
Always loved the MIA ep, that it was rather different and special, and Griff was/is such a great character.
Victoria
Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:55:25 PM
IP: 24.126.137.116
An unexpected mention for Gargoyles on the "Lady Death: The Movie" DVD. In the "Making of Lady Death" Special Feature, Executive Director of Sunmin Image Pictures Young Hwan Sang mentions his more notable works as the direct to Video producitons of Batman: TAS from 1990 to 1993 and Disney's Gargoyles.
Gantros
Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:10:32 PM
IP: 24.20.243.55
I hope every took a moment at 11 O'Clock this morning to pay tribute to the brave men and women who fought for our safety. I know I did.
Following in Todd's image, I have taken it upon myself to watch MIA on this day. (This year being the first.)
My Great Great Grandfather fought the Germans on the Eastern Front in WW 1 (And died), and my Grandfather bombed the snot out the Germans (on 39 bombing runs) during WW2. (He lived until 1979, three years befor my time).
Every time I watch MIA, I remeber my Grandfather... the scnes in the Ep are how I have always envisioned what it was like in War-torn Britain and Europe in general.
In fact, some of the buildings look almost identical to the house my grandmother lived in in Britian during the war. (My Grandfather, a grand ol' Canuck, was a bombadier in the Royal Canadian Air Force. He was statuioned in britain for the most part, and happened to meet my Granmother one day... she was nurse at a local hospital. The rest is history.)
So this day is especially meaningful for myself.
Thanks for listening to my little rant.
That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
CanadaThursday, November 11, 2004 09:23:00 PM
IP: 198.53.28.99
I hope every took a moment at 11 O'Clock this morning to pay tribute to the brave men and women who fought for our safety. I know I did.
Following in Todd's image, I have taken it upon myself to watch MIA on this day. (This year being the first.)
My Great Great Grandfather fought the Germans on the Eastern Front in WW 1 (And died), and my Grandfather bombed the snot out the Germans (on 39 bombing runs) (He lived until 1979, three years befor my time).
Every time I watch MIA, I remeber my Grandfather... the scnes in the Ep are how I have always envisioned what it was like in War-torn Britain and Europe in general.
In fact, some of the buildings look almost identical to the house my grandmother lived in in Britian during the war. (My Grandfather, a grand ol' Canuck, was a bombadier in the Royal Canadian Air Force. He was statuioned in britain for the most part, and happened to meet my Granmother one day... she was nurse at a local hospital. The rest is history.)
So this day is especially meaningful for myself.
Thanks for listening to my little rant.
That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
CanadaThursday, November 11, 2004 09:21:38 PM
IP: 198.53.28.99
I thank everyone for the suggestions. I much rather keep the stories timed well, but I do know of that idea of simply tossing it out, but I hope to think or hear of something better. If not, I'll just conviently forget the timing ;) :P
And I don't care if I am the only person who reads it. I dunno. Maybe it's a little selfish. But I just enjoy writing it and don't care what people may think of it, unless it's a very valid point (for instance, someone way out of character). I just write them for me and if I like them enough and my ego is up and feel proud, I'll post it. But otherwise, it's just my fun. I'm not looking for critics. And when I get critics, I don't let them bother me, unless like I said, it's a valid point that I need to fix. Is that too snobbish? ;)
I also rather the Gargoyles meet Buffy on her turf. I don't want it to just be Buffy, I'd like to have most or all the Scoobies there. As I was remarking before with Spike's "Violet" line, it makes it more fun to have the two groups come together I think. But I never did think of the Buffy in NY, so I will consider it, thanks :)
Siren
Thursday, November 11, 2004 05:47:34 PM
IP: 24.165.226.120
Demonskrye> taking caution as you suggested, I've decided to take out the "behind the scenes" parts, save for the pre-episodes part where now-anonymous network execs decide they need a gimmick to bring L&O ratings up. As for the gargoyles, considering that most of them aren't very inclined for acting (especially the ever-serious Goiath and Hudson), I think it would be best to have them play themselves. And please send me an e-mail directly so I can keep this advice and assistance in a permanent file
Gantros - [gantros@comcast.net]
Thursday, November 11, 2004 03:55:26 PM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Hey everyone!
Ah, mid-November... well, somewhat anyway. The time of the year when all us College/University students have to lock ourselves in our rooms, and stay up until 2 in the morning everyday, trying desperately to catch up on all the work we've been postponing. Well, I am anyway......
I'm not going to go into a historic babble now, but to all the Canadians out there, today is Rememberance Day (ok, I'm posting this WAY after 11 o'clock, but I thought it'd still be nice to mention it), and sadly, all of us in Ontario still have to go to work and school. But the majority of Canada gets to stay home. *sigh* Sometimes I hate living in the richest province, with the dumbest provincial leader this country has ever seen......
Besides that, less than a month before Season 1 comes out!!! I've made my mom promise to give me her credit card so that I can buy it online on that day. Not to mention doing well on my first ever university test got me my ticket to the Gathering in Vegas. Gotta love it.
Anyway, I'm done with my rambling, plus I gotta get to class. *sigh* Two hours of sitting and trying to pay attention.... why me?
BrooksBabe - [belfour20_mccabe24@hotmail.com]
CanadaThursday, November 11, 2004 01:46:54 PM
IP: 130.63.176.186
If there's one thing I've learned about writing fiction, it's that anything is possible with enough creativity and planning. One thing I've found helpful in conquering challenges of chronology is making a timeline. Often times a visual aid will make the solution more apparent.
And when all else fails in "Gargoyles"... use magic. Just like when all else fails in "Star Trek"... use a wormhole. ;)
26 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:41:43 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153
Gantros> Since you asked, here are a few general suggestions:
First, I think you should split it up into three seperate stories, if that's not already what you're planning on. It will make it easier for you to focus on each on individually and you can still tie them all togther.
Themes: If you read the rambles on "Ask Greg", you'll notice that this is something Greg comes back to frequently. Before you get started writing, ask yourself, "What are the major themes in "Gargoyles"? What are the major themes in "Law and Order"? What do I want the themes for this particular story to be?" You don't have to hit every theme from both series, but you want it to feel authentic to fans of both. A theme you might consider working with is "fiction vs. reality". Contrasting the "show" with the behind the scenes stuff. Do the gargs just play themselves on the show or are they portrayed differently?
A Caution: If you want to write some backstage stuff into your story, I would strongly advise making up fictional actors. One of the nice things about "Law and Order" in this respect is that it's based more around a concept than specific characters and has thus managed to survive various cast changes. So having some made-up actors who might closely resemble some of the real actors might be a good bet. It's oe thing to be writing a story about the fictional character Detective Brisco. But writing a story about the real living actor Jerry Orbach could have you looking down the barrel of a lawsuit. Tread carefully.
Demonskrye
Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:07:07 PM
IP: 146.115.115.131
In honor of Today being today and the episode MIA, which I think I'll dust off and watch later, I've decided to, yet again, change my character pic.
Matt Fews
Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:02:41 PM
IP: 206.47.191.83
Siren: There's always the simple 'ignore the problem' solution. Alota fanfic writers just skip little snags like that for the sake of writing the story. Or you could even turn it into a sort-of inside joke.
That said, perhaps if you actually need a mechanism for getting them there, maybe Puck gave Alex a lession and it didn't work out right. Or maybe it did (you know Puck).
Gantros: If you want to run by me, my email's right here.
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:01:11 PM
IP: 64.192.78.171
Siren: You could just have it where she falls asleep and wakes up in another country during the "World Tour" series. You don't really have to go into any detail about how it happened, and save the answers for the end of the story. (or make it a plot device!) That way, you can avoid relying on the pheonix gate...or any other time travel devices for that matter.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:48:06 AM
IP: 207.65.59.142
Siren> Why have the gargs go to Buffy? After the last episode of Buffy, it's canon that Buffy moved to Italy, which probably means she caught an international flight in New York sometime in spring or summer of 2002. What if she had a layover in NYC?
*shrug* THat's how I handled my crossover with Gargs, anyway. It worked, though to be perfectly honest, I don't like writing stuff that doesn't get read, and given the marked lack of feedback on that story, it wasn't read much. I've thought about writing a companion piece with Demona and Spike (can't you just imagine the snarking those two would do at each other?) but who would read it? Not, apparently, most people. Crossovers are not all that popular, apparently.
Oh well ...
Leva
Leva - [leva@firefox.org]
Thursday, November 11, 2004 08:55:45 AM
IP: 162.42.87.48
Todd>I haven't done the research aspect of that and didn't even realize it until you just told me. Dammit. I hate to blur. But I certainly appriciate the tip. I would have been throughly annoyed if I got into writing it and found out then. I'll think of something. This may take me a while. ;)
Siren
Thursday, November 11, 2004 08:37:12 AM
IP: 24.165.226.120
SIREN - Just out of curiosity, how do you plan to handle the chronology element in your projected Buffy/Gargoyles crossover? What I mean is that Buffy moved to Sunnydale in early 1997, a year after the Avalon World Tour ended. Are you blurring the chronology, or would the "Buffy" part of it be a prequel?
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, November 11, 2004 07:38:35 AM
IP: 4.244.12.35
Also, I have posted my email address in recent posts so that any and all authors who wish to assist me in my fanfic can communicate with me directly. I'd like my first work to be a collaboration, until I can do a fanfic on my own...
Gantros - [gantros@comcast.net]
Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:53:24 AM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Siren> Based on what we have seen before (stone spreading over the skin, and simple all over transformation), I would say that it would be both flesh and stone, that is , if the death occurred uring the moment of transformation.
Gantros - [gantros@comcast.net]
Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:52:03 AM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Sorry for the double post but I just remembered I had a question about the biology of gargoyles. Rather try here first before I ask Greg and I think I already know the answer.
If a gargoyle was killed right as the morning sun struck it, would it turn to stone or not?
I'm thinking no.
Siren
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 08:17:32 PM
IP: 24.165.226.120
Gantros>Cool, I want to read that when it's done. I think I might take a stab at doing the Buffy/X-Men Evolution crossover. I also have been fiddling with a Buffy/Gargoyles too. I figured for Buffy/Gargs, I'd have it during the Avalon journeys. Frankly, it's the only way I have thought of so far as to how any of the clan gets to Sunnydale, Cali.
Siren
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 08:15:45 PM
IP: 24.165.226.120
Lord GargFan> I considered that, but I decided to go for a similar, but altogether different direction. For the L&O: SVU/Garg Crossover, I picture a rape/murder victim being found near a stone Brooklyn. The media shows up shortly after SVU does and blames Brooklyn for the crime. All your typical anti-Garg groups start foaming at the mouth. Despite evidence clearing Brooklyn, the media capitilizes on the circumstantial evidence to crucify him. So the SVU not only has to keep Brooklyn safe, they need his help in apprehending the true perpetrator, who is using his social influence to push the crime on Brooklyn. I haven't really worked it out much further than the basic introduction. So, at your request, I'll start with L&O: SVU guest starring Brooklyn and the Manhattan Clan. As for the episode Title, I've been leaning toward "Twilight".
Gantros - [gantros@comcast.net]
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 06:18:06 PM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Gantros > Why don't you make a L&O-Gargoyles crossover which would be a remake of the Goliath on trial episode.
Lord GargFan
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 05:43:17 PM
IP: 24.7.249.209
After some thought I've decided to go ahead and try my hand at my proposed L&O/Gargoyles Crossover. This will be my first fanfic (and written piece in general), so any assistance in terms of having others critique it for any errors in character interactions and behavior, and all other things involved in proofreading would be greatly appreciated. I was thinking of doing the story in segments seperated where commercial breaks would be, replaced instead with a "behind the scenes" bit where the Gargoyles would interact with the actors/crew as they really are, not how they would behave on screen.
The guest stars would be primarily the Trio, each series focusing on a particular member. The rest of the Clan would make brief cameos for story support (i.e. Elisa would become involved in each episode as liason between the gargs and the various departments, or Angela would become involved as a support character for Broadway, etc).
Again, I would like to request any assistance that could be given to a wannabe author like myself. Thank you.
Gantros - [gantros@comcast.net]
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 02:12:57 AM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Here's something else I've whipped up. I put just a tad bit more effort into this one than I did the DVD poster. :)
http://www.bakercountyonline.com/md-2389/TimedancerNovel.jpg
I was originally going to have it be the DVD, but I thought it best that it be a novel instead. I don't know if you can make it out with the level of compression I used, but theres some dust particles floating around in the light shining on the book.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Tuesday, November 9, 2004 11:15:43 PM
IP: 65.119.228.218
IRC Goliath>> It is dissapointing that Disney has failed to list Gargoyles on their 2004 release calendar, however it IS on their list of upcoming releases at:
http://disneyvideos.disney.go.com/moviefinder/products/3771003.html
(You can also click my name for the link.)
Also, if you click "info" under Gargoyles season 1 it lists the bonus features: The Gathering, Greg's original story pitch, and audio commentary for "Awakening"
Check it out!
Less than a month to go until they live again on DVD!!! YAY:)
Enigma
Tuesday, November 9, 2004 04:07:05 PM
IP: 24.118.182.35
The reason there not showing any adds is because they put alot of money into promoting that witch show. Least that is how it seemed at comic con. The only add they had really was at comic con when the held up a collectors box with the dvd in it. That was about it that I have seen for advertizing. Well that and the dvd cards. We still ahve them if anyone wants one.
On a sad note not that I Really know anyone in here very close. MY grandma died last tuesday and I am having a really hard time coping with it since I have never lost anyone or been to a funeral. If anyone has had to deal with a loss and knows anything that helped them through it let me know. Thanks.
Shara - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, November 9, 2004 03:40:07 PM
IP: 209.179.251.138
Hmmmm... Kinna disturbed that it's now a month before the DVD comes out and there haven't been any ads on Toon Disney about it... at least not any I've seen. I don't watch Toon Disney regularly but I DO record Gargoyles on TiVo and haven't seen any ads there. Anybody else seen any?
I'm also disturbed that Disney hasn't listed Gargoyles on their release calendar:
http://disneyvideos.disney.go.com/calendar/2004-date.html
IRC Goliath - [goliath1 (at) pacbell [dot] net]
Tuesday, November 9, 2004 02:38:47 PM
IP: 209.234.142.80
The current batch of questions that Greg is going through also strikes me as unfortunate; somebody named "Dark Coon of Loon" wants to know all the trivia details and numbers and statistics about the Space-Spawn War, almost as if he has an overly role-playing-game influenced mentality. I'll be glad when Greg finally gets through the last of those queries.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, November 9, 2004 07:35:14 AM
IP: 4.245.16.230
Rise and shine, campers, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's COLD out there today.
DPH > <<Is part of the screening going to be marking questions as "does the answer really matter">> Freddy Mercury once said that "Nothing really matters, anyone can see."
28 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Tuesday, November 9, 2004 06:43:49 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45
Folks, Ultimate Disney has another contest going. Recieved this via e-mail:
"Secondly, our latest UltimateDisney.com Contest is now running. If you can answer 8 of 11 straightforward trivia questions, you'll qualify for a chance to win the 2004 Disney DVD of your choosing. Forum members have additional chances to win, and active forum members get the most chances of all. All entries must be received by November 20. See here for details:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/contest/"
Gargoyles Season 1 is on the list of eligable DVDs. Even if you don't win, its more advertisement on our part to Disney that there is interest in the DVD. :) (assuming that UD reports those kind of stats)
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Tuesday, November 9, 2004 03:19:46 AM
IP: 207.65.59.154
23 questions left from 2002. :-)
Too bad some of the new questions being submitted have already been answered by the FAQ:
* * * *
Question received on Mon, November 08, 2004 06:04:04 AM
brandon doster writes...
I was woundering if you have ever thought about continueing the series on a website in writen form or something of the like??
* * * *
Is part of the screening going to be marking questions as "does the answer really matter"? The current batch questions that Greg Weisman falls into this category. If some of mine happen to fall in this category, . . so be it.
Yes, I'll admit that in "Mark of the Panther", I didn't even recognize the voice actor for Anansi.
dph
AR, USA
Tuesday, November 9, 2004 02:09:39 AM
IP: 67.14.195.27
I'm really surprised no one has anything to say about "The Incredibles". It is a great movie. I have series doubts aobut the other two CGI films coming up, "Cars" by Pixar, and "Chicken Little" by Disney.
Gantros
Tuesday, November 9, 2004 02:09:07 AM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Gargoyles Mom>As others have said, Ebay is the best way to go. Also check Amazon.com. They sell used books and there are several Gargoyles books (pop up, look and find, golden books, coloring books, novelizations). And check Amazon.com Zshops and Amazon.com Auctions. Ebay is pretty much one stop shopping though. And I've seen lots of Gargoyles toys go for fairly cheap. Usually opened and several characters together. But they do sell them still in the box/on the card often too. BTW, welcome to S8.org and we're always glad to see fans here. Ask questions and make any comments here about the show you'd like. They're sure to get answers. And good luck on your search for toys and stuff. :)
Siren
Monday, November 8, 2004 08:10:33 PM
IP: 24.165.226.120
The first snow fall of the year just hit Marquette.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, November 8, 2004 04:49:02 AM
IP: 64.112.202.231
Hey, I thought this room wipe was automatically done?
If so, why hasn't this room been wiped?
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, November 8, 2004 01:13:09 AM
IP: 67.14.195.3
Test, hoping this post is the 1st after the room wipe.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, November 8, 2004 01:11:11 AM
IP: 67.14.195.3
*Raises a fist and shouts over the crowd..* Power to the Gargs!!! <<< That is to say..... I'm glad people are showing the Gargoyles to our new generations. I mea, I wouldn't expect otherwise, but I've seen fans who like the show but seem to keep it to themselves. I tell everyone about the show, and for some reason I always get strange looks.....O.o......wonder why........*walks off still talking*.....maybe it's because im hyper.........maybe it's because the crowd I try to tell aren't into cartoons.......maybe it's..........
Meikai
Same ol' same ol'..., Florida, US
Sunday, November 7, 2004 10:21:46 PM
IP: 205.188.116.137
Gargoyle Mom: You may want to check out this for a reference....just so you don't get hosed by a scammer offering a fake/look-a-like.
http://avalon.gargoyles-fans.org/castle/item.shtml
That being said, you're not the only one giving a little one a little gargoyles experience for x-mas. :) My 5 year old nephiew is getting the Gargoyles season 1 DVD. :) I swear, I got that boy HOOKED on this show. :P Hey, if he's going to watch toons, he's toing to watch something with class! :) (I introduced his mother to the series earlier tonight so she'll know what "Gargoyles" is all about, since he mentions it all the time.)
At any rate, good luck!
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Sunday, November 7, 2004 10:05:01 PM
IP: 65.119.228.239
Thanks Lord Garg Fan. I'll keep watching EBay. I share your idea on the DVD and bought the first season about a week ago. Sure would love to see a movie come out.
Thanks again, Gargoyle Mom.
Gargoyle Mom
Sunday, November 7, 2004 06:36:51 PM
IP: 63.190.97.71
Garg Mom > Check eBay. They always have toys for auction. And buy your kids (and yourself) a copy of the DVD. And maybe next year, if the DVD sells, there will be more toys, merchandise, etc.
Slow going.
Lord GargFan
Sunday, November 7, 2004 06:15:40 PM
IP: 24.7.249.209
My boys (and my husband and I) love Gargoyles...being Star Trek NG fans makes it even easier to love it. We just ran upon the show on Toon Disney the past 6 months or so.
With the holidays coming my boys are begging for Gargoyles toys. I've searched the internet and can't find any anywhere. Can anyone help me out? Is anything available anymore? Thanks. cmpsplus2@netzero.com
Gargoyle Mom - [cmpsplus2@netzero.com]
Sunday, November 7, 2004 04:44:29 PM
IP: 63.186.48.126
The Batman> Yeah, I stopped my incessant channel clicking when I saw the writing credit. The episode was above average. I liked that Batman was frozen when the cops came, giving Yin the perfect opportunity to unmask him. A real sense of jeopardy. I agree with you Todd about Yin's philosophy. Though with all that power, Mr. Freeze is still a petty criminal at heart was consistent if disappointing. But Batman's crisis of faith was good. It gives him more dimension.
Taleweaver
Sunday, November 7, 2004 07:48:14 AM
IP: 209.179.168.30
Todd, and I watched it with great enthusiasm once I saw that Greg had written it.
Matt Fews
Saturday, November 6, 2004 09:22:25 PM
IP: 67.68.75.178
I don't know if anyone here caught the episode written by Greg Weisman for "The Batman" this morning, featuring Mr. Freeze (who was voiced in it by Clancy Brown, who did the voices of Hakon and Wolf in "Gargoyles").
I regard it with mixed feelings. Having first gotten really acquainted with Mr. Freeze via the portrayal of him in "Batman: TAS" as a poignant figure (complete with his wife Nora), it's difficult to accept him as more of a "just plain evil" figure (though Clancy Brown's voice acting certainly fits the "menacing bad guy" figure better - note that Hakon and Wolf were also both straightforward villains). On the other hand, I rather liked Batman's worries over whether he was actually making things worse rather than better (especially after, not only learning about how he'd helped turn Victor Fries into a super-villain, but also hearing Detective Yin - aka the woman who dresses so much like Elisa that I still find it uncanny - point out to him that, by working outside the law, he's just as much a criminal as the ones whom he helps the police apprehend), followed by his regaining his will to fight crime after having a flashback to the murder of his parents (with Mr. Freeze here getting merged with the guy who killed them).
I wonder how much of it was directly Greg's work, and how much of it was revised by the production team's editors. I didn't think that it was quite "Gargoyles"-level, though it had its moments.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 6, 2004 07:45:06 PM
IP: 4.244.18.154
I changed my picture this time for obvious reasons
BOO to NBC, How could they possibly cancel a show that has been nominated as Best New Comedy by the People's Choice Awards, What the Hell were they thinking?
It just doesn't make too much sense
Matt Fews
Saturday, November 6, 2004 06:14:55 PM
IP: 69.156.121.84
And a big WOOT for raking the leaves? Okay, maybe not. :P
Yardwork and winterizing today... work on fanfic tomorrow. Being an evil genius isn't easy on a tight schedule. ;)
31 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Saturday, November 6, 2004 08:59:34 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45
Just saw "The Incredibles" with the family tonight, and I must say that it is the best Pixar film yet. It's more than worthy for a sequel, too bad Pixar is splitting from Disney after their upcoming 2005 release, and less appealing, "Cars".
On the other hand, Pixar leaving Disney may turn out to be a good thing for us "Gargoyles" fans. Without Pixar to keep Disney afloat, and after Disney's already doomed non-Pixar CGI film "Chicken Little", Disney may have to look through their library for the more unique franchises, namely Gargoyles.
Let's face it, Disney's typical cute and cuddly fare isn't going to sell anymore. Sickenly sweet is out, the story and character depth displayed in anime is dominating the youth market. Even merchandise movers like Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! have more plot than "Home on the Range".
I think that a Gargoyles: The Movie, would be a great way to test the waters for a new series, and bring the characters up to 200x, as is standard procedure for Disney (take Lilo & Stitch, Aladdin, Hercules, and Tarzan as Movie -> series successes)
Gantros
Saturday, November 6, 2004 12:43:08 AM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Why not give a WOOT for all the festivities?
WOOT-For Guy Fawkes day
WOOT-For Shrek 2
WOOT-For crazy midsummer bonfires
WOOT-For Father of the pride, wether it gets canned or not, I don't care
and a big ol' WOOT-for all the UK History and Gaelic lessons im learning
man, who knew 'Gargoyles' could be so WOOT inspiring?
Meikai
RednecksVille, Florida, US
Friday, November 5, 2004 10:01:19 PM
IP: 64.12.116.137
And now for something completely different!
Shrek 2 is out! :D
"Donkey?! You're a..." - Shrek
"STALLION BABY!" - Donkey
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Friday, November 5, 2004 08:55:10 PM
IP: 207.65.59.152
They used to celebrate Guy Fawkes Day in the American colonies until (apparently) shortly after they gained independence from Britain. During the American Revolution, they usually replaced Guy Fawkes for the "burning in effigy" with unpopular British government figures such as Lord North (though I don't know if they also did it to George III), not to mention Benedict Arnold after he became a traitor.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 5, 2004 07:56:43 PM
IP: 4.244.12.82
Draconis: Yeah, but what's the point of doing it in summer when it's not dark until 10? And would you really want to stand next to a blazing hot Bonfire in midsummer? They're hot enough in November, trust me. Of course, as Todd says, the celebration is older than America and neither are linked to the weather as much as to events. I think 399 years' worth of habit die hard. ^_~
Ed
Friday, November 5, 2004 08:50:21 AM
IP: 131.111.236.130
The timing of the U.S.'s and Great Britain's "fireworks festivals" is due to the timing of the historical events which inspired them rather than to the question of which season is most feasible for bonfires and fireworks. The Gunpowder Plot was foiled with Guy Fawkes' arrest on November 5, 1605, so November 5 is when Guy Fawkes Day is celebrated. The Declaration of Independence was finalized on July 4, 1776, so Americans celebrate their independence on that date on account of that, rather than because July offers better weather for their celebrations than November.
Incidentally, although Guy Fawkes Day is named after Guy Fawkes, he was a relatively minor member of the conspiracy; he was just the guy whose job it was to light the fuse. The leader of the Gunpowder Plot was one Robert Catesby, who has now been all but forgotten (what Catesby would have thought of the fact that it'd be Guy Fawkes whom they'd be naming the day after and burning in effigy, I honestly don't know).
Incidentally, the senior members of the conspiracy (such as Catesby) did get a gunpowder explosion, though not the sort that they wanted. When they were on the run from the King's men after Guy Fawkes was caught and the plot exposed, the conspirators took shelter in a house belonging to one of their members. They'd been transporting a barrel of gunpowder with them, and made the mistake of placing it a little too close to the fireplace - I leave you to imagine what happened after that.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 5, 2004 08:21:10 AM
IP: 4.244.12.132
Draconis, Guy Fawkes isn't totally silly, after all, don't forget America started as British colonies.
Matt Fews
Friday, November 5, 2004 08:17:16 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83
Riverdale, Yay, another Fan, I hope NBC realizes their mistake and renews it for another Season.
If they don't, I hope they release it on DVD like Fox did for Greg the Bunny.
Matt Fews
Friday, November 5, 2004 08:15:32 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83
Having been born and raised in the US and now liking in the UK I must say this. Guy Fawke's Day is silly. Americans choose to light fireworks in the middle of summer, when there's not as much wind or rain, so it's relatively easy. The British? Start of winter, end of autumn. You know how difficult it is to light a sparkler in gale force winds?!
Draconis Mk IV
UK Friday, November 5, 2004 07:52:42 AM
IP: 213.249.223.205
Happy Guy Fawkes Day, everyone!
Admittedly, this greeting isn't likely to be as meaningful to anyone here who lives outside of the UK. Still, the day and the Gunpowder Plot that it commemmorates do have a certain relevancy to "Gargoyles", for two reasons. First, Shakespeare wrote "Macbeth" around the same time that the Gunpowder Plot took place, and there are a few allusions to it in that play (mainly in the Porter scene). And second, the Gunpowder Plot was a case of members of a persecuted minority (Roman Catholics) deciding in their embitteredness to strike back at their persecutors, and their scheme, once it became public, resulting in increased persecution for everyone in the minority, whether they had taken part in the scheme or approved of it or not (and most Roman Catholics in England hadn't). The parallel to "Gargoyles" should certainly be obvious - indeed, after having read up in detail about the Gunpowder Plot in Antonia Fraser's "Faith and Treason", I found it all the more believable that people who had suffered from Demona's actions (such as the Hunters) would blame all gargoyles for it and go after them in retaliation.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 5, 2004 07:38:42 AM
IP: 4.244.12.132
This room's not dead yet. It's just resting comfortably in a French hospital, undergoing some tests.
I wouldn't count on Comedy Central picking up "Father of the Pride." They're doing well enough with "South Park" and their new show "Drawn Together."
32 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Friday, November 5, 2004 06:51:35 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45
Vinnie> I blame politics. As soon as folk talk politics things die. Such as kittens. Yup.
Draconis Mk IV
UK Friday, November 5, 2004 06:49:03 AM
IP: 213.249.223.205
Well this place has certainly died all of a sudden.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Friday, November 5, 2004 04:05:22 AM
IP: 64.112.202.211
Any animated tv show that can use the word "whore" in a sentence deserves to live. "I'm a whore, Larry, you wouldn't hit a WHORE, would you?"
Comedy GOLD.
Riverdale - [michael@twogargs.com]
Calgary, AB, Canada
Thursday, November 4, 2004 11:05:26 PM
IP: 68.147.120.75
110 reviews at Amazon! 40 more to go in 33 days? WE CAN DO IT!!!
Kristen - [zzilly14@yahoo.com]
Virginia, USA
Thursday, November 4, 2004 10:25:10 PM
IP: 199.249.157.129
Unusual "Ask Greg"-gleaned Gargoyles Trivia time: in the first outline for "Mark of the Panther", instead of were-panthers, Fara Maku and Tea were to be were-jaguars - which would certainly raise the question of what jaguars (were or otherwise) were doing in Nigeria as opposed to South America. Good thing that they changed that to panthers.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, November 4, 2004 08:28:02 AM
IP: 4.244.12.226
Patrick, JJ, don't count it out yet, after all either IFC or Comedy Central/Network might pick it up.
Shame really, It was just starting to get interesting too especially after the "Gollum" episode.
Matt Fews
Thursday, November 4, 2004 08:14:10 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83
The demise of "Father of the Pride" was being predicted before it had even premiered. I for one didn't think it was that great of a show. Yeah, the animation was cool, but the writing was rather lackluster and sophmoric.
33 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Thursday, November 4, 2004 06:53:04 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2004-11/02/10.00.tv
Looks like Father of the Pride is going to get axed after all. :( Dammit! What did they expect was going to happen when they kept pre-empting it with stupid crap and only airing it every other week?! I guess it goes to show you that if its original, and has decent material, its screwed from the start. No doubt they'll slap a cookie-cutter "reality tv" crap show in its place. *rolls eyes*
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 09:00:34 PM
IP: 207.65.41.135
JJ Gregarius> Feasgar math! Glad to hear your enjoying learning the language. I studied it at an introductory level last semester through Sabhal Mòr Ostaig's distance learning course, 'An Cùrsa Inntrigidh'. Well worth it.
Scots Gaelic did of course orignate from the language of the Irish settlers who arrived in the 4th/5th century from Antrim to form the kingdom of Dalriada.
As far as Cù Chulainn's naming is concerned, I do remember my literature lecturer mentioning the fosterage tradition, where the sons of chieftain's were sent away at the age of 7 to be educated in another noble household. (This occured in both scotland & ireland) This forged and strengthened alliances, and bonds formed between a boy and his foster father & brothers were incredibly strong. There was an understanding between parties that should one come into bother, the other would turn out to fight their cause. As far as I can mind, he got this name at this time & kept it on leaving. I would have to look back through old notes though to say much more than that, and at the minute I'm snowed under with other assignments. Was just 'passing through', saw the current topic of conversation & couldn't resist.
Mar sin leibh
Sheltie
Shetland, UK
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 05:28:15 PM
IP: 213.122.180.50
Thanks, Kathy.
Silly typo: I meant to type "CHALVIM" not "CHAVIM" ealier. I hope that didn't confuse anyone. I apologize in advance for the various spellings of Cuchulainn -- I am seeing too many alternatives! Gah!
Now that that's out of the way, how about the rest of the tidbits I have picked up from Scots Gaelic:
CUCHULAINN is known in Scotland!:
I came across this Scots Gaelic proverbial expression: "Cho làidir ri Cuchulainn." (As strong as Cuchulainn) I fear I cannot give a reliable pronounciation for that, as my Gaelic is too weak yet. (kho la-dir ri ... ???? lih-dir???)
Well, Scotland was mentioned as a location where Cuchulainn did some training in some of the legends (see http://www.irelandunveiled.com/myths/most-famous-e.cgi), in addition to the other connections between Scotland and Ireland.
All this raises a question: did the gargoyles know about Cuchulainn? I can't remember enough from "The Hound of Ulster." I don't think it really matters, considering Goliath and Angela are out of commision for much of Cuchulainn part of the story. (Yeah I know the Cuchullain part of the story named for Cuchulainn. Ya know what I mean :-P)
CUCHULAINN Part II: (Not directly related to Gaelic) I have read that the watch dog that Setanta killed was quite large ( see http://www.cuchullainpipeband.com/cuchullain.php It is the best I can find right now. ) I should stop now, in case Greg is interested in Gaelic. ;-)
CUCHULAINN Part III : (Again, not directly related to Gaelic) The might warrior Setanta/Cuchullain first caught people's attention by his prodigial prowess in the sport of hurling (see http://www.iol.ie/~coolmine/typ/gaa/setanta.html, for info on hurling see http://www.the-shot.com/gaa/). In fact, one version of the Cuchulainn legend has the hero killing the hound with a hurley stick and ball (sliotar)! Now, ice hockey is somewhat similar to hurling -- some think that ice hockey started as hurling adapted to ice -- and Drake DuCaine ... well, I'm sure the Mighty Ducks fans I see here occasionally can complete that thought. ;-) It's a rough comparison, of course.
CLAN: Apparently the Gaelic word "clann" means children, approximately. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/alba/foghlam/beag_air_bheag/section09/transcript3.shtml.
All of the sudden, the phrase "children of the entire clan" sounds almost ironic, doesn't it?
GATHERING: I found the following passage at http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/alba/foghlam/beag_air_bheag/section10/index.shtml :
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Further on, you'll come across the word mòd, which refers to a gathering, in which competitions are held in Gaelic music and arts. The annual Royal National Mòd, Am Mòd Rìoghail Nàiseanta, is Gaeldom's largest gathering and lasts several days. It is held in a different place each year. A fèis is a gathering, usually non-competitive, in which students learn skills in music, song and dance. Fèis has gone into English as a loan-word, even in its plural form, fèisean.
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Not sure how that could apply to our purposes (if at all), but it was interesting to me.
That's it for now. I may have some information about Cuchulainn being the possible child of a war god, later.
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 02:46:45 PM
IP: 4.247.155.149
And thus Cullan became the first guy in history to call a member of his posse "dawg", centuries before Randy Jackson would popularize it. ;)
Hey, look at that. We survived another Presidential campaign season and emerged relatively unscathed. So now we can turn our attention to other important matters... like the fact that there are only 34 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 12:47:00 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153
Ug. Those are multiple typos (really!) Just spelling variations based on English transliterations of Irish. (And not nearly enough coffee.)
kathy
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 09:26:08 AM
IP: 66.82.9.83
Greg Weisman posted his ramble on "Mark of the Panther". Just 19 more episodes to go. (Some great stuff there - including another little bit of sadness over the passing of Norman - Greg's late basset hound.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 08:36:17 AM
IP: 4.245.23.200
JJ Gregarius > the modern Irish word for dog is "madra". The word for hound is cu' (that accent is supposed to be over the u".)
Cuchulain means litterly hound of Cullan. The Reader's Digest condensed of his renaming goes something like this: There was this boy named Setanta who was brought up in the court of Conor. Conor was invited to a feast but Setanta decided to stay behind. Later he changed his mind and went to where the party was being held on his own. But, by the time he arrived they'd locked the doors and turned out the guard dog.(Cullen was kind of a paranoid sort). Setanta was attacked by the dog on his arrival and killed it. The partygoers were glad to see Setanta in one piece, but Cullen was distraught over the death of his faithful dog. Remorseful, Setanta offered to train a new pup and to take the post as guard dog until it was old enough to assume its duties. At that point the boy no longer was known as Setanta but as Cuchulain.
kathy
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 08:08:59 AM
IP: 66.82.9.83
I thought Kerry was the wish-washy AND two-faced one....
Anyhoo, I always become quiet when political talk comes around. It's just not my thing, though I did vote this morning before running off to class, thank you very much :)
But it's always interesting see other people's comments and wonder why they say the things they do. It's intriguing to observe.
Annnnnyhoo, JJ Gregarius, please keep going with your Gaelic ramblings, I'm loving them! I'm taking a linguistics course this semester so I'm quite focused on this sort of thing right now and I've loved what you've written so far.
I used Dreamie's Brookylyn pattern for my pumpkin this year...it was so cool! I loved how it turned out but Mom tossed the pumpkin out before I got a pic of it >_<
Victoria
Wednesday, November 3, 2004 01:03:29 AM
IP: 24.126.137.116
Nice to meet you Meikai.
It looks like Florida will have some company this year, with all of the litigation going on.
I'd rather talk about Gaelic words related to Gargoyles. *sigh*
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 09:37:11 PM
IP: 4.247.155.173
Matt Fews> And Ralph Klien and Stockwell Day and Stephen Harper and The Bloc Quebecois and separation and western alienation and mad cow and softwood lumber and the NHL, and that whale stuck at the power plant....
"I hate Kerry." "Well," said the other guy, "I hate Bush." "I have a solution," said the third man, "Flip a coin, write it down, and hope the winner doesn't screw up during the next four years."
That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
CanadaTuesday, November 2, 2004 08:55:20 PM
IP: 198.53.28.99
Yeah, here's hoping Florida isn't the laughing stock of the USA again.
Click my name for me on Halloween as Medusa :D
Siren
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 08:27:17 PM
IP: 24.165.226.120
<<<<Voted....Just hope Florida can clear it's name this time around!
Anyways, just poppin' up to say hi to fellow fans, and JJ Gregarius, it's nice to see a local fan!
Meikai
Plant City, Florida, USA
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 08:14:31 PM
IP: 64.12.116.137
Hàlo a sibh! (ha-lo a sheeve, roughly) I've been learning some Scots Gaelic, and I believe that's how you say "Hello to you!"
Anyway, Scots Gaelic has given me some thoughts about Gargoyles:
CHAVIM: I notice that in the archives, Greg comments that the name of King Malcolm II was Maol Chalvim. However, it appears the modern Scots Gaelic form of "Malcolm" is "Calum," which has "Chaluim" (pronounced like kha-lim or ha-lim, I think) as an inflected form. This makes me wonder whether the "v" in Greg's "Chalvim" actually represents a "u." After all, "v" did represent that sound before the letter "u" was invented. ("SVM" in old Latin inscriptions, anyone?)
Also, (quoting from http://www.sst.ph.ic.ac.uk/angus/Faclair/ ) "maol" could be "cape or promontory" or "bald, hornless, polled, blunt, pointless, edgeless, bare, easily deceived." Take that as thou woudst.
CU CHULLUIN: I discovered that "cù" (that's cu with a grave accent over the u, in case it's illegible) is Scots Gaelic for dog! Unfortunately, it appears that the modern Irish (Gaelic) for dog is nothing like "cù." Anyhow, the Scots were originally colonists from Ireland and I believe that Scots Gaelic reflects an earlier form of Gaelic than modern Irish. Perhaps Cu Chulluin's people used a word like "cù."Not sure what "Chulluin" would be, other than the fact that "Cullun" and "McCullun" are proper names. (Again, I'm guessing that "Chulluin" could be an inflected form of "Cullun")
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Just think: in a few hours the election will be over. Oh, who am I kidding? :-( Let's just hope the squabbling will just be a formality this time.
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 03:55:44 PM
IP: 4.247.209.228
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ss
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 03:38:42 PM
IP: 68.12.196.86
<- Voted early
I was really suprised at how many people are voting this time around vs. in 2000. I guess the last four years have left an impression on them. Whether it was a good or bad one, we'll know soon enough I suppose. I will say this though: If you don't vote (meaning those of us that are US residents and are 18 or older) then you have no right to complain if things turn sour.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 03:33:18 PM
IP: 207.65.41.151
Wishy-washy Kerry vs Two-Faced Bush, who knows?
I'm lucky I'm Canadian, We only have to deal with Preston Manning,Jean Chretien and Paul Martin
Matt Fews
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 03:04:34 PM
IP: 206.47.191.83
Patrick> thanks for the support there, but I'm not capable of fleshing it out in terms of dialogue and having a good grasp of how characters would behave. I could go as far as storyboarding the general plotline, but I would need help filling it out with dialogue and other parts. If anyone wants to help me out with this, that'd be great. BUt otherwise, this idea will likely die at the concept phase, like all of my other ideas.
Gantros
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 02:55:07 PM
IP: 24.20.243.55
I will also be voting right after work. And then I'll sit up all night with a red crayon and a blue crayon coloring in map of the U.S.A. that the local paper printed for those who like to keep score. :P
Not too long ago, Dick Cheney said that Kerry would win the Presidency when the Red Sox won the World Series, so I guess we'll see.
Gantros > Sounds like you've got yourself a crossover fanfic idea coming together there.
35 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 12:30:27 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153
Greg Weisman just gave us a big Election Day present - his ramble on "Walkabout" at "Ask Greg". Check it out!
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 09:14:32 AM
IP: 4.244.12.229
I am voting, right after work. And I am going in extra early to allow co-workers to vote before work, since they live further away from our job.
My daughter's kindargarten voted the other day. John Kerry won, lol, just cracks me up to see 5-6 year olds voting for the President. I think it's great, but still amusing.
Siren
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 06:50:05 AM
IP: 24.165.226.120
GO OUT AND VOTE!!! I won't be voting untill november 22nd, but you all should tomorrow!!!!
(I can't vote because I am not a yankee and I am proud of it. If I could, I would NOT be voting for any flora. I WOULD be voting for FDR.)
ROCK THE VOTE!!! VOTE FOR CHANGE!!!
Battle Beast
CanadaTuesday, November 2, 2004 12:21:23 AM
IP: 198.53.28.99
Sorry for the double post, but...
For an easier way to find your polling place, go to MyPollingPlace.com.
Put in your address and zip, and you'll not only find out where you go vote, but HOW you vote (I have a lever).
They don't have all information yet, however - they don't know where my polling place is (that's okay though, I already know that).
If they don't have the info, click on my name for a good resource to find where you're supposed to vote.
Okay I'm done posting now - for tonight, anyway :)
*glides away*
Kristen - [zzilly14@yahoo.com]
Virginia, USA
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 12:16:11 AM
IP: 199.249.157.129
Go out and vote tomorrow, guys (if you're registered and haven't voted yet, that is).
And I agree, Demonskrye - every vote counts. It is your RIGHT to vote. So many people have fought for their right to vote in our nation's history - African Americans and women are the groups that come to mind.
If you don't know where your polling place is, click on my name, then click on your state, and find the link for your State Board of Elections. Virginia, at least (I'm sure other states have this too), has a form to fill out your address and it will tell you where to vote. Double check just to be sure, so you don't end up in the wrong place!
Take care you guys. Pray for a safe and quickly-decided election. God bless America.
Kristen - [zzilly14@yahoo.com]
Virginia, USA
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 12:09:05 AM
IP: 199.249.157.129
Speaking of Election Day, a few pointers:
-Double check to make sure you know where your polling place is. Some locations may have changed since the last election. Try checking local or state government websites.
-Bring photo ID if possible. If you can't a utility bill or paycheck stub will also suffice. Though not all states require that you present ID to vote, it's better to be prepared.
-Remember that if you are in line when the polls close, you still have the right to vote.
-If anything happens that you think is not normal or legal, inform the official poll workers or call 1-866-MYVOTE for assistance. If there's an absolute emergency and you want to speak to a lawyer, call 1-866-OURVOTE.
-Remember that democracy works better when more people participate, so no matter what anyone may tell you, you vote does count.
Demonskrye
Monday, November 1, 2004 05:25:07 PM
IP: 146.115.115.131
Gantros: Those would make very interesting L&O eps. I'm not a huge fan of the show but occasionally I'll watch it (except CI - I've only seen a couple eps of that). Anyway, very creative. You should write a fanfic story with that! Hehe.
To get off topic, I cannot believe it's already November and tomorrow is Election Day. Where does the time go? Let's just hope we don't have a repeat of Election 2000, and that's there's a clear winner of the Presidency, whoever that may be.
Kristen - [zzilly14@yahoo.com]
Virginia, USA
Monday, November 1, 2004 03:20:23 PM
IP: 199.249.157.129
WOW, I didn't realize I had typed so much
Gantros
Monday, November 1, 2004 01:44:41 PM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Patrick> While I do see the humor in a Gargoyles themed L&O spinoff, it wouldn't work out because of the fact that the gargs need to really to focus on their protectorate more than starring in a show (unless the characters in the show were costumed humans, of course).
My thinking was more towards that one or more of the series was slipping in ratings, and the producers needed a gimmick, what better than the protectors of the L&O "stage", the gargoyles?
I figured that they would have a interseries crossover of sorts, where each of the Trio would guest star on each series, and cross paths to come to a common conclusion (can you tell I've expanded on my original thought?). I think Broadway could guest star in "L&O", Brooklyn in "L&O:SVU" (can you imagine him working with Ice-T? They have similar personalities), and Lex on "L&O:CI".
I've already worked out the basic opening for each "series", and would like your opinions:
Broadway: (Morning); Detectives Green and Briscoe are investigating a report of a mob weapons deal gone bad, there are several bodies covered around several ransacked military grade weapons crates. There is a bloodstained "Exit" door in the back of the warehouse, which they go through. They follow the trail of blood droplets to a dumpster in the alley behind the warehouse, where they find a large stone gargoyle clutching his side...(cue opening theme)
Brooklyn: (Dawn); Detectives Benson and Stabler stand over a preadolescent(sp?) girl found in a dumpster in an alley (isn't THAT a recurring theme so far :P). They talk about how this is the 4th victim in the last two weeks, that there were no witnesses, no physical evidence, when they hear a "whoosh" nearby, and turn to a pair of glowing eyes in the shadows of the alley.
Brooklyn appears and says he saw the killer, but before he can say anything more, he turns to stone just as a news crew shows up, creating a very awkward scene...(cue intro theme)
Lexington: (Late night); Detectives Goren and Eames are in a van on the street next to an apartment building, listening to a bugged conversation inside. After gaining enough evidence, the SWAT team bursts through the doors and windows of the target apartment, apprehending the people in the living room, but there is a shout from the SWAT team that came through the windows in the back office. The detectives rush in to see the team dogpiling on a struggling Lexington, the computer is running. The detectives stare...(cue intro theme)
Please be aware that these intros are for the SHOWS, the Trio are not in any real danger in their universe, save for what happens in the subplot off the set. The reason I chose the Trio is that they would most likely accept such an opportunity than the rest of the clan. Goliath and Hudson would think that it would distract them from their duty (can you imagine Hudson's reaction to being subjected to makeup?), Bronx lacks the training to be used in a series safely, and Angela would probably only appear as a supporting guest for Broadway (I'm trying to use Greg's Plan as opposed to the other fanfic universes). Elisa would probably be asked to guest star in all the series (I would think that by 2004/5, her relationship with the gargoyles would be known) as a liason of sorts between the various divisions and the Trio.
The villains of each "episode" are:
Broadway: Dracon/Brode (I figured their mutual hatred of the Gargoyles and Elisa would team them up, at least temporarily)
Brooklyn: His situation is similar to TGC "And Justice For All", in that although he is eliminated as a suspect by SVU, the media who arrived at the scene crucifies him as the killer, reopening the anti-gargoyles movement, and eventually it turns out a member of this new movement is the real killer/pedophile, which extinguishes the scandal.
Lexington: He happened to be at the right place at the wrong time. Lex was looking for information on a terrorist plot that was linked to the men that were apprehended by the CI team, but not related to their charges. So Lex and the CI team work together to find out to whom this plot goes to and stop it.
The way I figured this could all tie together in the SHOW, was that the weapons were being sold by Dracon/Brode (they are not seen in the show, it is merely implied), the pedophile works for the terrorist group and exploits his situation to draw away attention to the terror plot, and Lex's computer and technical skills ties it all together so the Trio along with the CI team, stop the terror plot.
Gantros
Monday, November 1, 2004 01:44:16 PM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Todd Wrote "I've heard occasional speculations of a Gargoyle Anti-Defamation League in the future of the Gargoyles Universe which would be arguing against cases of "fantasy antagonists" being given gargoyle-like features. It'd certainly be something interesting to see."
With gargoyles like Demona and Thailog on the loose as well as the gargoyle like mutant Fang, The villian image portrayed by RPGs and movies is safe and to a limited extent true (Demona doesn't strike me as the type to want to eat humans). That should make it hard to ban such images outright.
Anonymous
Monday, November 1, 2004 08:54:32 AM
IP: 64.252.36.60
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Las Vegas, NV
Monday, November 1, 2004 08:13:11 AM
IP: 66.82.9.19
Watched my tape of "Eye of the Beholder" last night, as part of my Halloween celebration. One thing that I noticed this time around was that, when Xanatos is talking to Goliath and Elisa at the castle (at the point when he's urging them to help him save Fox's life), he places his hand upon Goliath's shoulder at one point during his petition. The neat thing about that is that it gives him the opportunity to place that tracking device upon Goliath that allows him to find him later on at the Halloween block party. I like a series that plays fair with things like that.
I think that it would take quite some time for humans to reach that level of tolerating gargoyles, even with the "short attention spans", since they've been flooded for so long with the concept of "if it's got batlike wings, claws, fangs, and/or a vulnerability to daylight, it's got to be evil". Aside from Goliath and his clan, there aren't too many "gargoyles as good guys" portrayals out there. So it would take some time for the human race to overcome an attitude that they've programmed themselves with through their own myths, legends, and storytelling.
(It raises the question: once humans come to realize as a whole what gargoyles are really like and start on the road towards living in peace with them, will negative portrayals of gargoyles - of the "horror movie" or "fantasy role-playing a la Dungeons and Dragons" variety - start being viewed in a bad light? I've heard occasional speculations of a Gargoyle Anti-Defamation League in the future of the Gargoyles Universe which would be arguing against cases of "fantasy antagonists" being given gargoyle-like features. It'd certainly be something interesting to see.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 1, 2004 07:46:34 AM
IP: 4.245.17.125
Number 10 (I think).
Hollywood Goes to Broadway? No... we all know what "Law and Order" would really do... they'd create another spin-off. "Law and Order: Gargoyle Task Force." It'd be a gritty, nocturnal police drama, and it would go into the rotation on Monday nights, in the 10 PM timeslot opposite "CSI: Miami." Starring David Duchovny as Matt Bluestone... "L&O: GTF", coming this fall to NBC.
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Patrick
Monday, November 1, 2004 06:55:48 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45
DPH> If anything, I think he's delayed it. Things happen quickly in an age of media saturation. Eight years is a long time for one opinion to hold true, especially in a place like New York. Especially after 2001...gargoyles, I think, would pretty much be yesterday's news.
Whitbourne
Monday, November 1, 2004 06:30:52 AM
IP: 142.177.157.14
8th!
Leo
Monday, November 1, 2004 04:13:33 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236
Lucky seven!(7th)
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, November 1, 2004 03:25:45 AM
IP: 65.127.114.58
6th!!
You're rushing human acceptance of gargoyles.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, November 1, 2004 02:56:37 AM
IP: 67.14.195.13
5th!
Draconis Mk IV
UK Monday, November 1, 2004 02:24:04 AM
IP: 83.100.151.47
4th! :)
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Monday, November 1, 2004 01:23:09 AM
IP: 207.65.41.111
Third... And I had a weird "creativity demon". I was watching the new Law & Order, and was wondering how the various series would play out in the Gargoyle Universe? Being a television show (even in that universe), I'm sure that by 2004, the gargs would have some degree of acceptance, at least in Manhattan. I was thinking it would make a great fanfic when the producers of L&O approach a gargoyle (probably starstruck Broadway), to do a guest appearance on an episode, only to have someone try to kill him on set (most likely Quarrymen). So while the main body of the fanfic is how the episode plays out (as it would be seen on television), there is a subplot with real danger on the set, at which point the gargs save the day both on and off the set.
Gantros
Monday, November 1, 2004 12:19:28 AM
IP: 24.20.243.55
Second!
Kristen - [zzilly14@yahoo.com]
Virginia, USA
Monday, November 1, 2004 12:04:24 AM
IP: 199.249.157.129
First?
Oneuke
Monday, November 1, 2004 12:03:26 AM
IP: 69.3.134.175