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I happened to come across a website.... Perfect for those Demona fans... Though I wonder if ya'll knew about this site anyways.

Clickie or go to: http://www.demona-obsession.org/
Patricia Lovelady - [sabre0link@hotmail.com]
Montevallo, AL, USA
Sunday, January 9, 2005 11:06:14 PM
IP: 68.17.172.56

Zeroman-as Canadian Animated series go, this isn't really too bad. Animation is actually quite good. Some of the stories are a little too toilet humor for my tastes, but it's stil aimed largely at adults-particularly Canadian adults. There are alot of Canadian references that the average person outside Canada wouldn't get. It's actually quite funny seeing Don Cherry & Ron McLean play themselves as villians(although the pair did appear as themselves in a nother amberwood production-hose hounds). BTW, the information linked has Les Mutton as 66(he's 63-going on 64)-and is an postal worker by day. Zeroman's secret sidekicks is a buffed guy named Ty Cheese (one of the few sane characters in the series. He'd likely be able to do anything in life-except he he made a promise to help the rather dim witted Superhero - Ty also happenes to be gay). Other characters are Sally Uberchick-Les's love interest(athough he'd never admit it-nor would she). Villian Rusty Woodenwater-a wealthy former child star who's career is washed up-so he's turned to a life of crime(of which Don & Ron are his henchmen). Then there's Jaundice Mutton-Les/Zeroman's mother - who doesnt know he's Zeroman-dispite being Zeroman's biggest fan. Her son Les-however(who still lives with her) she'd do almost anything to get him to move out.

It's not a brilliant series, nor is it a throwaway. Some episodes are quite good, others, as that website says-fall flat. It's worth a look if you can get it.
Athough id' still prever Gargs back on Canadian TV thank you(are you listening Family Channel?!!).
Wingless
Sunday, January 9, 2005 10:09:03 PM
IP: 69.196.243.7

Okay, I took a stab at it...I tried to sculpt tonight. I found this neat clay at Michaels that looks like stone. So I sculpted the Praying Gargoyle that Demona uses in City of Stone. It's horrible. It was fun to do sometimes, but then I looked at the printout of the actual sculpture from the show and cringed again. But hell. I made it. I am including it in my auction for the Demona My Little Pony as a bonus. No other reason then I wanted to experiment with that clay. It is neat and saves a heck of a lot of time on painting it to look like stone. I'll post it tomorrow here.
Siren
Sunday, January 9, 2005 09:59:01 PM
IP: 24.165.226.120

To be honest, both Brooklyn and Lexington had no issues with socalizing with humans. As far as whether or not something happened to Brooklyn, that could have simply been something as simple as another human protecting him during the day (we already know its someone common for gargoyles to be caught away from home) or something else entirely. I suppose we won't know until someone asks at the gathering. :) (and thats IF he even chooses to reveal that something did indeed happen to him)
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Sunday, January 9, 2005 09:38:22 PM
IP: 207.65.41.67

Zeroman>> In case anyone else wanted to know about "Zeroman," here is a web site I just found via Google:
http://www.spacejunk.org/update.php?ID=23

Transformed Human Theory >> I did suggest that it would be rather odd if Greg Weisman was thinking in this direction ;-). I'm not even sure if it could work. To me, though, it adds something to the story: a certain poignancy, a certain irony (esp. when dealing with the Mutates).

But can it even work? One problem is that Brooklyn would have to have been *very* young during the transformation. He has to believe subconsciously that he is 100% gargoyle, even if he consciously knows about the transformation. The problem is that I'm not sure I can make the ages of Brooklyn and the Magus work out right. Another problem is that Brooklyn might end up being a potential magic user. I am almost positive Greg does *not* want this. (I think I can work around it, though.) Yet another problem: this still doesn't explain the Magus' bizarre hair coloration. I've heard of platinum blonds, but this? Does he use some sort of ancient bleach or peroxide!??

On another note: I'm surprised no one has brought up Puck's hair to shoot down my arguments. You see, Puck's hair never impressed me the way the Magus' hair did: Puck's a fey. They can look as weird as you can imagine.
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Sunday, January 9, 2005 08:33:46 PM
IP: 4.247.182.205

Okay, I know this is completely off-topic, but it's been soo long, and I need to get this off my chest. I would do this to the people around me, but they're starting to tune me out and no longer even try to console me.

So here's my rant: BRING HOCKEY BACK!!! I've gone too long without the game, and it's REALLY starting to get to me now. I've even gone as far as to start watching Zeroman to get my fix of Don Cherry and Ron Mclean.
Saturday nights were almost a sacred thing here in Canada. A night where every wife (or whoever else didn't understand hockey) knew not to bother the avid hockey fan. A night where you could safely put a good six hours of non-stop hockey under your belt.
And now, only a few months from when the playoffs would start, there's STILL NO HOCKEY! What is the world coming to when a nation can no longer enjoy their (second) national sport?
I say we get Bob Goodnow and Gary Bettman out of there (asap), and lock everyone else into a room, and not let them out until they come up with an agreement. There is no way we can allow this lockout to continue into next year!!!

BRING HOCKEY BACK!!!

End of rant.
BrooksBabe - [belfour20_mccabe24@hotmail.com]
T.O., Canada
Sunday, January 9, 2005 07:36:09 PM
IP: 64.228.119.61

I don't think that Brooklyn is a transformed human at all. More likely, Gregarius, I think that you're merely reading too much into certain scenes (much like the case of people who tried reading too much into the Captain's "They're not my kind" lines in "Awakening Part One").
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, January 9, 2005 07:03:36 PM
IP: 4.244.12.174

JJ> I thought about that. I don't know, though.
Patricia Lovelady - [sabre0link@hotmail.com]
Montevallo, AL, USA
Sunday, January 9, 2005 05:52:30 PM
IP: 68.17.172.56

Patricia>> Sorry about the double post. Didn't see your post.

Even in my scenario, are you sure that the Magus knows who Brooklyn is? If the Magus does know, does he even care now that Brooklyn's a gargoyle both mentally and physically? (Think about how Maggie's family treats her in TGS)

Heck, does Brooklyn know what he used to be?
JJ Gregarius
Sunday, January 9, 2005 05:12:58 PM
IP: 4.247.215.31

Matt>> OK, I will.

Think about Derek and Maggie, only much younger.

In other words: Could Brooklyn be a human who was turned into a gargoyle at a young age? Specifically, could Brooklyn have been related to the Magus?

I have more thoughts concerning this scenario, but they will wait, I think.
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Sunday, January 9, 2005 04:45:27 PM
IP: 4.247.215.31

JJ> I got what you're going after.

I'd much rather be able to see season 2 than to try to respond to this, as I know I'd need to brush up on the characters and such.

I think it's farfetched... seems almost unlikely. And I do realize what universe we're talking about.

The Magus was the one that cast the sleeping spell.
Patricia Lovelady - [sabre0link@hotmail.com]
Montevallo, AL, USA
Sunday, January 9, 2005 04:43:01 PM
IP: 68.17.172.56

JJ Gregarious> i for one have no idea what you are implying... maybe i'm blind or maybe its not as obvious as you think, but either way, spell it out for me...
matt
Sunday, January 9, 2005 04:28:16 PM
IP: 68.92.88.73

Battle Beast>> It's a shame that the U.S. lost the Bronze Medal in overtime to the Czechs. :-( Not sure what happened to goalie Al Montoya; he was so good last year! And what's up with the U.S. defense? :sigh:

And Now for Something Completely Different>>
I had a weird thought. I previously noted that Brooklyn sometimes seems to forget how different he, as a gargoyle, seems to humans. Now, I also recall that extreme temperatures bother Brooklyn more than the other gargs (although he certainly can endure!) and that our beaked friend even feels a sense of wanderlust (remember his quip about going on a World Tour) even though his species is intensely territorial.

Now, that just makes him an odd gargoyle. Heck, Griff seems to have a stronger desire to go on a worldwide adventure than Brooklyn! However, when I saw "Long Way to Morning," I noticed something ... strange. Not only does the young Magus sound like Brooklyn (Phooey! Jeff Bennett gave his voice to many, *many* denizens of the Gargoyle universe), he even has Brooklyn's white hair -- even when the Magus seems to be barely an adult. Now, recall that when I asked Greg Weisman why Brooklyn seems at ease with humans early in the series , he agreed with me that something did happen. *

Greg couldn't have meant...

Greg wouldn't...

Would he?

Well, he was a soap opera fan. And wouldn't it be a cool twist if... But, would it work?

Anybody have a clue what I'm driving at? >:-)

*Word of Warning: Greg Weisman actually said that Brooklyn's early attitude towards humans had more to due with a more open personality. He did suggest, however, that something did happen.
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Sunday, January 9, 2005 03:29:01 PM
IP: 4.247.197.73

This being my first time booking the flights and hotels, I'm a little surprised at some of these prices. There's this one deal with JetsGo, where you go for $20, and come back at regular price. Now this is all good and all, but $68 for taxes? On a $20 ticket? You gotta be kidding me! Then add in the other ticket, and the tax on that... brings it to a nice $319. I know that's pretty cheap, but to a university student like me, that's quite a bit of money. And the fact I don't have a job... well, it's hard to raise that kind of money.

That's all for now!
BrooksBabe - [belfour20_mccabe24@hotmail.com]
T.O., Canada
Sunday, January 9, 2005 12:36:54 PM
IP: 64.228.119.69

Siren> Funny you should mention Stan Winston. I don't know if you were aware of this, but he's had a couple of his concepts made into toy lines. One was "Realm of the Claw" with humanoid big cats. One that I think may have been shelved was a line of various werewolves. And the there's "Stan Winston's Gargoyles". Most of them bear little or no resemblence to our guys, but it's interesting to know he's thought about doing gargoyles in some capacity.

Sentinel> I enjoyed Greg's ramble, though i haven't seen the episode in years. It also reminded me of something my sister told me recently. In order to move those giant stone heads from one side of the island to the other, the islanders cut down a large number of trees to roll them on. Unfortunately, they somewhat overdid itand caused extreme damage to the island's ecosystem. On top of which, the wood shortage meant that the islanders couldn't build boats to go fishing. I find it interesting how this story contradicts the misconception we sometimes have of all native peoples living in perfect harmony with the land. There's no doubt that some did and still do. But others...not as much.
Demonskrye - [<---Jim Hill Media]
Sunday, January 9, 2005 11:41:32 AM
IP: 146.115.115.131

Not much to say today other than this:

200 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Patrick
Sunday, January 9, 2005 11:26:33 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

AH! I knew I saw it somewhere before! I have the coloring book. I could just scan it myself and color it, then it would be mine. ;) Because I've looked for 2 days and can't find anyone who takes credit for the coloring. Least not in English anyways.
Siren
Sunday, January 9, 2005 11:02:17 AM
IP: 24.165.226.120

Greg posted his ramble on "Sentinel" at "Ask Greg".
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, January 9, 2005 07:18:37 AM
IP: 4.244.12.133

Siren: That's from the Gargoyles coloring book. I've also seen it in the sticker album and several posters. I'm guessing someone scanned it and colored it. Notice that the outside of Demona's wings is blue, not a dark purple. So you might want to look into whoever colored that drawing and ask if it's okay to use it. :P
D. Taina
Sunday, January 9, 2005 03:06:12 AM
IP: 172.174.80.127

If thats a piece of fan artwork, its a DAAAAMN good one. That may be a cropping from "Awakening" when she's watching Tom talking to Brooklyn and Lexington for the first time. (just before she crouched down) I'd rule it a fan-art until its confirmed that its an official one or not just to be on the safe side.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Sunday, January 9, 2005 02:38:30 AM
IP: 207.65.59.139

Question....Click my name and please tell me: Is that an official Demona artwork or is that fanart? It is impossible to tell. I saw two sites with it. I need to know because I want to use it on something. If it is by a fan-artist, I don't want to use it without permission. If it is by Disney, well, I should ask permission. But like anyone doesn....

Here's the URL to copy/paste: http://www21.brinkster.com/tribun/Demona.html
Siren
Sunday, January 9, 2005 12:55:46 AM
IP: 24.165.226.120

Folks, its worthless responding to the spammer. Its just a spambot, not a real person doing this. I doubt thats even the real IP address of the bot doing this anyways since any scriptkiddie spending 5 minutes on google can dig up plenty of proxy servers to mask their IP address.

That being said, the Wal-Mart out in the Wolfchase area (a more "upper-class" part of Memphis) is SOLD OUT of Gargoyles *again*! If this keeps up, we'll definitely get that season 2 release. :) Keep spreading the word people, because its definitely helping.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Saturday, January 8, 2005 11:15:58 PM
IP: 207.65.41.107

:: beats "online poker" with a red-hot poker :: Spam is bad, mm-kay?

StarCreator > Negative copies means either people have it on order so that when new shipment comes in a copy is held for them, or it means that someone screwed up the inventory and they initially had more copies than was entered into the computer. For example, they had 54 copies but the computer was told they had 50. When each one sells and is scanned, the computer deducts it from invetory, so when all 54 are gone, the computer says -4.

201 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Patrick
Saturday, January 8, 2005 08:17:30 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

I was at Best Buy today, and among the many things I did there, I checked for Gargoyles DVDs. Not one found.

Had a sales associate check the computer, which stated that the store had -2 copies. Apparently, the next closest store had -4 copies.

I'm really not sure how to take that.
StarCreator
Saturday, January 8, 2005 04:40:27 AM
IP: 69.140.225.245

You know there has to be some way to clean up this spam, oh well.
*Cleans up around the spam*
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Saturday, January 8, 2005 03:24:16 AM
IP: 64.112.203.31

The Super Walmart I work at on Bruce B. Downs had plenty of copies, athough we sold out quickly. I counted at least 60+ copies on Dec 7th and over the course of a week we were down to 5. After X-mas I havent seen anymore copies come in, but the walmart website still has it up for sale. See? ONE Walmart employee knows gargs exists and bought 2 copies from work to prove it. *grins*
Kristina
Wesley Chapel, FL
Saturday, January 8, 2005 01:06:55 AM
IP: 68.202.31.200

Patrick - Last time I saw those dvds, they were moved to be *slightly* more visible to the bottom area instead of being stored in a shelf on the bottom row. BUt I knew there was at least 5 of them and I can't believe they sold all at once just because of being relocated. I can't help shaking the feeling that those dvds were hidden somewhere, but I didn't run across any knowledge sales staff. The only guy I talked to didn't even know Walmart sold it.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, January 8, 2005 12:23:27 AM
IP: 67.14.195.21

I'm with Patrick. Wal-Mart hasn't taken Gargoyles off the shelves down here. Hell, last I saw they were still next to the new releases section. Best Buy even finally got Gargoyles in a couple of weeks ago. (took 'em long enough!) They had Gargs right next to Farscape (which for the longest time sold like hotcakes around here....which isn't suprising since Memphis is Ben Browder's (John Crichton) hometown.)
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Friday, January 7, 2005 11:30:34 PM
IP: 207.65.59.174

Dan>Gargoyles will likely be a mix between CGI and animatronics. It's perfectly plausible for a human to be in the gargoyle suit, There would be leg extensions to give them more hieght and to fit into the legs properly. Likely arm extensions too. The wings and tail would be totally animatronic. And then flight and some fight scenes would be CGI. Ever see Underworld? Watch the extras, the werewolves in that movie had similar body and leg structure. They could run and fight on two legs, as well as four. And often, it was people dressed in suits. They had tv screens inside the head to see where to go and what to do. But no depth perception due to it. But it still worked for that movie well. Aliens as well was another great monster. If WETA doesn't do it, I figure Stan Winston would be the next big one to go to. He did Terminator, Jurassic Park, Alien, and many many others. I do have confidence Gargoyles will make it to the big screen in full live action, I just wish it would be in the next 5-10 years.
Siren
Friday, January 7, 2005 11:20:53 PM
IP: 24.165.226.120

DPH > I would guess they ran out of stock, and they don't believe in leaving empty spaces on the shelf, so they spread things out a bit. After all, SprWal-Mart is supposed to have EVERYTHING so it wouldn't look right to have empty shelves.
Patrick
Friday, January 7, 2005 10:54:49 PM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Siren, if they do indeed make the movie, which they will. Weta might just do cg (ala final fantasy). I think that would be better, with the evolution in cd (animatrix). So getting the wings, body, and skin makeup would be better. But elisa and the rest will probally most likely be human. Anyway does anyone know more about that goliath christmass light? Were is it located?
Dan - [enki@inbox.lv]
philly, pa, usa
Friday, January 7, 2005 10:31:56 PM
IP: 68.42.18.157

I got an MIA report:

MIA: Gargoyle Season 1 DVDs in my local Walmart. I scanned the whole video department. None to be found. This is despite the fact that last time I had count, there were at least *5* of those dvds present. Also, the space designated for those dvds was gone.

Anybody got answers?
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, January 7, 2005 10:25:54 PM
IP: 67.14.195.21

JJ Gregarius> Thanks, JJ! It means a lot!

I have every issue of the comic, and I love them all! I would nver part with the. AT ALL. Unless I got a GREAT deal...

I would go to the Gathering but MY stupid cousin decided to get married on Maui... and Disneyland turns 50 this year... so I can't pass that up. It's my favorite place in the WHOLE WORLD, So I am going there later this year. That's my budget whole the next five years. Gone. I have been saving for these two trips for it seems like an eternity. I have never left Edmonton since 1998... Actually, with my debt load I can't belive I managed to save up enough to go on two trips... Maybe I can go to the con next year...

That is all I will say.

Battle Beast
CanadaFriday, January 7, 2005 09:44:14 PM
IP: 198.53.28.99

well, since the comic was cancelled i don't think anyone knows what happened to the Egg. i'd imagine that the group (The Triad?) would hold on to the Egg until they could attempt to hatch it again, or until Demona got a hold of it anyway...
matt
Friday, January 7, 2005 07:04:15 PM
IP: 68.92.88.73

It would be nice to know what happen to the egg in the comic book series. If even one knows what happen to the egg in the comic book series, please let me know.
crystal - [krstala@yahoo.com]
Waco, TX, USA
Friday, January 7, 2005 04:23:44 PM
IP: 4.227.2.41

Whoops, sorry. That last post was by me.... and sorry about the double post
BrooksBabe - [belfour20_mccabe24@hotmail.com]
T.O., Canada
Friday, January 7, 2005 02:33:08 PM
IP: 64.228.109.40

Matt > Well, I doubt I'll be going back to Quebec anytime soon, so I guess that idea's out.

Yea I heard about the deal with JetsGo ($20 for a one-way flight... no way I'm missing out on that!), and to catch the plane on its stop in Toronto would be awesome. Now if I could prepare myself mentally for such an early morning...
Anonymous
Friday, January 7, 2005 02:30:46 PM
IP: 64.228.109.40

Patrick: Thanks for informing me. I saw the presentations at the last Gathering, but I didn't recall when it was Greg said he had made the pitch(es). But I suppose since the show was running at the time, the bosses knew what it was and Greg didn't have to run through the whole backstory.

Matt Fews, BrooksBabe: Try selling Canadian presciptions to old people in Florida. There's a lot of money in dealing drugs.
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Friday, January 7, 2005 02:30:20 PM
IP: 64.192.79.181

Greg and DVD >> Are we talking about Greg Weisman? I thought he had to wait for it to ship (something about also ordering the LOTR DVD that came out last month.)

Oh, and to our Canadian friends, a belated congradulations for winning the 2005 IIHF (Int'l Ice Hockey Federation) World Junior Championships.
JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Friday, January 7, 2005 02:20:27 PM
IP: 4.247.143.20

*sighs* Well. My cousin has finally decided that she wants to have the wedding in July, so no Gathering for me. I wish everyone much fun and joy. *underbreath* I am so gonna hurt her.
Phoenyx
Memphis, TN, USA
Friday, January 7, 2005 12:37:26 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

Bb, Jetsgo has a flight to Vegas on July 29 for 179$ Canadian, it'll be leaving Montreal at 7 AM with an 8:10 AM layover in Toronto, see if you could make it to the airport for then.
Matt Fews
Friday, January 7, 2005 10:43:34 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83

Todd > Greg got and watched the DVD on the very first day ;)
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, January 7, 2005 08:57:42 AM
IP: 67.136.137.124

Bb, sounds good, but when will you be in Quebec and also how will I recognize you if you are.
Matt Fews
Friday, January 7, 2005 08:21:36 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83

Ckayote > The spin-offs were pitched while the original show was still airing. "Bad Guys" was the only one that made it past the pitch-card stage.

202 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Patrick
Friday, January 7, 2005 07:42:26 AM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Phoenyx: Honestly, I don't know. Chances are I *might* be able to be in the vicinity sometime during the summer, but I have no idea if I'll be able to, and if I do when it will be.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Friday, January 7, 2005 12:47:05 AM
IP: 207.65.59.156

I have an interesting question I'd like ask Ask Greg, and I don't think it's been asked before, but I want to run it by everybody here case I missed something:

When Greg proposed his spinoffs to Disney, I'm wondering how much he had to talk to the execs about the background of "Gargoyles" vs. how much he actually spent on the spinoffs itself. Do the bigwigs know what Gargoyles is? or does Greg have to work in that most of the main characters aren't human?

Can anyone help me on this?
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Friday, January 7, 2005 12:22:07 AM
IP: 64.192.79.181

I wonder if Greg's received his copy of the Gargoyles DVD yet. He mentioned (before the Christmas holidays break) having ordered one (alongside the Return of the King Extended Edition), but that it hadn't come yet. I wonder if it's arrived by now, and if so, what he thinks of it.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, January 6, 2005 07:43:57 PM
IP: 4.244.12.254

Matt Fews > I bet if we work together on it, we could collect a lot of cash. Do you think we could get more if we add in some musical talent?
BrooksBabe - [belfour20_mccabe24@hotmail.com]
T.O., Canada
Thursday, January 6, 2005 05:56:46 PM
IP: 64.228.109.79

GAROYLES WAS THE SIXTH BEST SELLER ON THE ULTIMATE DISNEY.COM SITE IN DECEMBER! CHECK OUT THE LINK. CLICKY MY NAME.

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/

THAT IS ALL I WILL SAY.

Battle Beast
CanadaThursday, January 6, 2005 03:38:19 PM
IP: 198.53.28.99

Hey, gang! Two points. The link on my name is to a website for dvds and posted a neat review for gargs. I like the review of the special features documentary. Dunno if ppl put up this link yet...

Also, I got my friend interested in going to the con! Sweet! He was afraid before because he'd been to a Star Trek con but he's heard so much about us he wants to join in!
Jade Griffin
Thursday, January 6, 2005 12:54:57 PM
IP: 64.42.17.197

Pat> Vinnie was pretty cool in that Episode. He seemed to be going towards humiliating Hudson and Goliath.
Vertigo1> Are you going to the Gathering? Yup, I am thequeen of random questions here.
Phoenyx - [Laurenw_38@hotmail.com]
Memphis, TN, USA
Thursday, January 6, 2005 12:01:34 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

Bb, how about right in front of the Eaton Centre before the entrance to Tower Records, as for me, maybe in front of the HMV megastore on Peel. :-)
Matt Fews
Thursday, January 6, 2005 08:15:45 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83

"Gargoyles" has 25% now with 137 votes, beating "Batman" at 101. The spike last night was because I took the link into the chat room and passed it around on IM to my friends who don't visit the CRs very often. A few of them then posted it in their Livejournals... so yeah, spreading the word helps. ;)

204 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Patrick
Thursday, January 6, 2005 07:42:49 AM
IP: 66.93.14.153

DPH - I honestly don't know. A lot of that depends on whether Greg's planning on doing any more episode rambles in the near future (in which case he'll need to leave the queue open).

The accumulation of such questions is partly my fault, since I haven't been going through the queue to weed out those questions that break any of the rules. The reason for this is that Gorebash has been planning to revamp the system to allow people like myself to answer the questions that have already been answered lots of times while passing the genuinely new ones on to Greg, but just hasn't had enough free time yet to complete that, and asked me not to clear any more questions until he's finished doing that.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, January 6, 2005 07:30:10 AM
IP: 4.244.12.79

"What's the best pie?"

Banana creme!

;D
Patricia Lovelady - [sabre0link@hotmail.com]
Oakmulgee, AL, USA
Thursday, January 6, 2005 02:42:37 AM
IP: 66.182.191.55

Gantros >Hehe Sorry that was partly my fault. I run the html updating and all that stuff. My grandmother died nov 2nd, and I've been dealing with that and my relatvies trying to take stuff from us so it has been hectic. All the artwork is purty much done. Just give me 3 more weeks to get the bugs out of the script. I'll try to put up the images that did not make the first cover so people can see that while waiting.

--We did however already reserve our dealers room space at the gathering and add. So things are underway. Agian sorry it's my fault. Never had to deal with someone passing away before and I've been quite messed up from it.
Shara - [Jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 6, 2005 12:52:11 AM
IP: 209.179.244.170

And when you do vote, please don't try and cheat the system. Theres nothing I'd like more than for Gargoyles to win the poll, but I'd rather it win by merit than by a bunch of people cheating the poll. Lets make it an honest win.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Thursday, January 6, 2005 12:45:11 AM
IP: 207.65.59.159

Wooo! We suddenly spiked to 125 votes! Batman:TAS has 100 votes currently.

If some of you haven't voted, go and do so: http://www.dvdtoons.com

I know it's not official and it might not do anything for the show, but it can't hurt. And DVDToons is a popular site. So if nothing else, people who visit it and don't know about the series or that it's on DVD, might see it at the top and be inclined to pick it up :D
Siren
Thursday, January 6, 2005 12:32:47 AM
IP: 24.165.226.120

not to mention "whats the best pie?"
matt
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 11:59:50 PM
IP: 68.93.185.101

Rule #1 about Ask Greg - this is Ask Greg NOT Ask Jeeves. See the latest question from Josh. On that count alone, I would love to see a bunch of posts deleted.

At least, right now, Greg Weisman is going through the cream of the Ask Greg system - Gathering journals - specifically the ones from 2003.

Todd - I'm serious, when is the submit button going to be disabled AGAIN? The backlog is getting past 725 questions.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 10:35:27 PM
IP: 67.14.195.21

Sorry for the double post... it was supposed to say Batmas: TAS.
Brookwe've sBabe
T.O., Canada
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 09:21:45 PM
IP: 64.228.119.18

And it's all tied up at 20% (but we've got 99 votes to BAS's 98).
Brookwe've sBabe
T.O., Canada
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 09:20:47 PM
IP: 64.228.119.18

thanks for the link, Siren... Batman is one vote ahead now, anyone wanna tie it up?
matt
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 09:00:43 PM
IP: 68.93.185.101

Batman:TAS has beaten Gargoyles by 4%. If you haven't voted for "The Best DVD of 2004", go vote for Gargoyles. :)
http://www.dvdtoons.com/
Siren
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 07:21:50 PM
IP: 24.165.226.120

All that I can say is that there's got to be a better way to earn enough money to attend the Gathering than doing a re-enactment of "The Man with the Twisted Lip".
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 06:31:10 PM
IP: 4.244.12.233

Matt Fews > If you get arrested, just plead insanity. And if they give you a court order saying you have to spend some time in a nice, padded room, at least you know you'll be out of there in a few months :D

Sharing a room... sure. But first I'll have to beg my mom for some cash.... I only have enough for registration and a one-way ticket. Hmmm... maybe I should take my own advice and go find a corner in downtown Toronto. *ponders the idea* Now I just need money for the bus....
BrooksBabe - [belfour20_mccabe24@hotmail.com]
T.O., Canada
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 05:04:30 PM
IP: 64.228.49.92

Todd: While you're at it, you can safely nuke this one as well

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=8267

My question has already been answered some time ago, so it would be one less for Greg to deal with.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 01:59:46 PM
IP: 207.65.41.130

Todd> "I'm beginning to fear that some people just are not bothering to read the rules."
- you are BEGINNING to fear?!?! i think lack of rule-reading has been the source of most Ask Greg related problems for years now!

and i thought you only deleted ideas as question posts, i thought Greg handled multiple topics post and just responded to one topic... of course the post you mentioned could have one topic: reviews, afterall, the poster is reviewing both the DVd and that particular episode, right?
just a thought, do what you have to do Todd, you know what your job is more than i do...

matt
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 01:33:58 PM
IP: 68.93.185.101

Brooksbabe, Thanx for the tip. I know of just the street corner, of course I might get arrested for vagrancy :-).

If I make it down there in time, want to share a room.
Anonymous
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 08:24:21 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83

One of the worst parts of the "Ask Greg" queue (alongside people asking questions that have already been answered - many times over - or which they could have answered themselves if they'd thought it over for a bit) is that every now and then, somebody submits a good question which, unfortunately, happens to violate one of the rules. For an example, recently, somebody submitted a very good review of both the Gargoyles DVD and of "The Green" (in response to Greg's ramble on the latter). The trouble was, he submitted both in the same post rather than in separate posts, and since one of the rules is "No multiple topics in posts", it means that I'm going to have to delete that one when I get to it. I hope that I can reach him before I have to delete that question and ask him to resubmit those reviews in separate posts.

And the most recent post once again ignored the "no ideas disguised as questions" rule by asking Greg if he'd do something related to the assassination of Julius Caesar in "Gargoyles". I'm beginning to fear that some people just are not bothering to read the rules.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 07:46:14 AM
IP: 4.244.12.252

I just paused to imagine what would happen if Strongbad assisted with the backlog on "Ask Greg"...

"Holy crap for crap! Look at all these stupid questions. DELETED!"

205 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Patrick
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 07:33:41 AM
IP: 66.93.14.153

"The hound of Ustler"[bad spelling] was on tonight on last night on Toon Disney. I always liked that episode, in introduced a another hero.
Ohtello
Wednesday, January 5, 2005 12:50:01 AM
IP: 152.163.100.137

Siren < thanks for the help! I've already been googling to my heart's content and have come across some good options. I figured if I couldn't find one I like, I could always use the flute I have as a last option. It's a Quena flute my grandmother had gotten for me ages ago, they sell them on eBay too and I found the one I have if you want to take a look, just click my name.
Victoria - [http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47102&item=3773129876&rd=1]
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 11:19:10 PM
IP: 24.126.137.116

Sorry for the double-post, but you don't need that adware infested program to view realmedia files.

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm

I uses media player classic (open source program based off of the original windows media player used way back in the windows 95 days) which plays just about any video and audio format out there. (the "Real" component is actually a plugin) It will even play DVDs if you have a DVD-ROM or DVD burner installed in your system. (It does a good job, especially for a free program.)
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 10:58:16 PM
IP: 207.65.41.74

Gantros: I was talking to Shara last night. The site is still being worked on. She apologized for it taking so long to open, but life has a way of throwing a wrench every now and then. I'll let her elaborate on that if she chooses.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 10:52:58 PM
IP: 207.65.41.74

Sorry, apperntly it doesn't allow direct links. SO here is the bath from the homepage, which you can click my name to reach:

At Main menu Click Downloads->Full Metal Alchemist->Second Intro
Gantros
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 10:47:22 PM
IP: 24.20.243.55

Since no one answered, I'm asking again, does anyone have an update on the Gargoyles Comic website? It was supposed to open on Christmas, but the comic has yet to be put up. Does anyone have any info on that front?

With the mention of the Batman detective that is Elisa's clone, I thought I might note another clone that appeared in the anime series "Full Metal Alchemist" I forget his name, but click my name for a link to a movie file of the opening theme. He shows up 55 seconds into it, and looks like Preston Vogel, but with more personality. Note that this a RealVideo file and Real Player is required to view it.
Gantros
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 10:44:09 PM
IP: 24.20.243.55

Plus, you never see Chernabog from the waist down. Not in "Fantasia" and not in anything since. As far as anyone knows, that half's all mountain.

So yeah, that's definitely Goliath. I'm guessing he was left over from a show from ten years back or so and somebody aware of the DVD release thought to add him to the festivities. Thanks for sharing, Battle Beast. And I also apolgize for doubting you, although it was only in the confines of my home.
Demonskrye
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 10:16:32 PM
IP: 146.115.115.131

Yep ... that's Goliath. Not Chernabog at all. Chernabog has horns and a different wing structure.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 09:10:03 PM
IP: 67.136.147.140

Victoria>Go with a Native American made flute. They are made of natural wood and totally hand-made. Depending on the tribe that makes it will be on how it looks and sounds. Most North American Indians used just a one branch flute. Like you see in movies and documentaries. Go down to the South American Indians and they use two types of multi-flutes. These flutes are tied together either with plant fibers or deer sinew. One type is several hollow branches, usually 6-8 tied next to one another. The other is a two level similar to the first, but one pile stacked on the other. Here in Florida, the Native American fests are starting and they are fairly cheap. $5-50 depending on workmanship and size. You can also try and find a Native American shop. I've seen them in downtown areas of cities and malls. They are hard to come by. Also you can order online. Try ebay or simply search yahoo or google for "Native American flute"

BTW, all the flutes I suggested are also often seen with satyrs like Pan. So any one of them would suit Puck :)

And if you are lucky enough to buy one at a Native American festival, they will often give you a crash course for free on how to play it. Rennaissance fairs sell similar ones too, but are usually more pricey.

Good luck! :)
Siren
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 08:19:48 PM
IP: 24.165.226.120

Been quite mute around here myself, and it's late in saying so but I hope everyone had a lovely holiday and New Year's!

I've been debating this for awhile, and if possible I really want to have a flute/pipe as part of my Puck ensemble. But I'm having a lot of trouble deciding on one. There's only that brief glimpse of Puck's flute in The Gathering, and that's not much to go on...except that it is brown, lol. I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on types of wooden flutes that seem Puck'ish?
Victoria
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 07:53:36 PM
IP: 24.126.137.116

Whoops, sorry. That's supposed to say well-off.
BrooksBabeq
T.O., Canada
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 04:15:39 PM
IP: 130.63.250.130

Why wait to win the lottery? Just put on some some really old and ripped clothing, get a cup from a coffee shop, and sit at a really busy corner. That should get you enough money in no time! (There's an old lady in the country, who was really well-ff, and she travelled from city to city and posed as a regular street bum)
BrooksBabe
T.O., Canada
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 04:13:02 PM
IP: 130.63.250.130

Ah, yes The Gathering, I so would love to go, but I so can't afford it at the moment. I just hope that I win the lottery between now and then.
Matt Fews
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 12:02:39 PM
IP: 206.47.191.83

Yes!!! I can still go to the Gathering. Cousin pushed the wedding back to September. *does the Dance of Joy* Thank you!!!! Anyway.
I need some people to go with to the Gathering. Anyone from the western TN area. I posted on the Gathering Forum for travel and rooming buddies. Somebody reply. Please.

Phoenyx
Memphis, TN, USA
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 10:21:56 AM
IP: 135.214.150.125

Todd>I never have watched a full episode of The Batman...it's too painful for me. So I never saw this Ellen. Mentioning how strikingly she looks like Elisa I had to go looking. OMG! Talk about a rip-off! Give her a badge and she'd be Elisa's long lost twin.

For those who haven't seen her, click my name.
Siren
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 09:09:12 AM
IP: 24.165.226.120

SIREN - Yes, I heard about it as well. Something to look forward to.

The part of me that delights in bizarre creativity demons had a recent vision of somebody entirely new to "Gargoyles" watching the DVD and proceeding to complain that Elisa's character design was a complete rip-off of Ellen Yin in "The Batman". (I find it amusingly ironic that, after all that worrying that the production team did over "Gargoyles" being perceived as being a rip-off of "Batman: TAS", the new Batman animated series produces a character who looks so spookily like Elisa.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 07:54:04 AM
IP: 4.244.12.235

Whilst walking through the walmart nearest my school... what should I see, but a Gargoyles DVD sitting on the Disney display. I found 5 more sitting in the Family area. Hmph. Well, at least they have it now :D
Patricia Lovelady - [sabre0link@hotmail.com]
Oakmulgee, AL, USA
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 03:53:13 AM
IP: 66.182.191.16

I just found out Disney is making a live action movie of The Lion, The Witch, and the Wadrobe. And they plan to release all the Chronicles of Narnia to the screen. WETA, the effects group responsible for LOTR costume creatures, armor, and make-up will be making all the creatures. Click my name to see a short documentary on WETA and the movie.

It almost gives me a slight bit more hope for the Gargoyles movie. Looking at what WETA does, they would probably make some great Gargoyles costumes. I wish Disney would get off the can and jump on making a Gargoyles movie before the fantasy movies die out of huge popularity
Siren
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 03:09:33 AM
IP: 24.165.226.120

Any update on the Gargoyles Comic site? they wree supposed to open Christmas but we haven't heard anything and there haven't been any updates on their site for awhile.
Gantros
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 02:09:34 AM
IP: 24.20.243.55

Goliath Light Float>That is CERTAINLY Goliath! Way cool!

BattleBeast>I am sorry I misjudged you. :)

Commentary>I would have to say...City of Stone. With a very very close second of The Mirror. The Mirror is wonderful and one of my favorite episodes (isn't it everyone's?) but it has more emotional points then actual history of characters. For the most part, I understand that episode completely. I see where it came from and why it's so well loved. CoS has so much vivid history. I would like to hear about the comparrison to Shakespeare's Macbeth and Gargoyle's Macbeth. As well as history on Demona, Macbeth, the Hunters, etc. There is so much to take in there.

All in all, I'd just as well be happy to see Season 2 on DVD without any bonuses :)
If I had to choose one type of bonus, I'd have to say concept art. I'd love to see more concept art like we saw in Greg's pitch. You really see how the characters evolved. Goliath for a while looked more like Beast from Beauty and the Beast. His eyes, pose, and facial expression reminded me heavily of him. Bronx of course was waaaay out there. But it was great to see where they started and how they ended up with the finished product. Also, Elisa's Farrah hair was fun to see, lol. I'd love to see more art from back when it was an action-comedy.

And two Gargoyle sightings: I work at an online auction service and we are selling a book, "The Wonderful World of Disney Television". I wasted time and went through the book and found almost a full page on Gargoyles. Of course it wasn't anything we couldn't find on IMDB.com. Mainly just voice actors and who they played, as well as crew credits. But it was fun to see. :)
And I watched TVLands 100 Most Memorable Moments on TV and Ms. Demona herself was giving commentary on different moments in TV history. I had looked away when she first came on and the instant I heard Marina's voice, I about gave myself whiplash. :)
Siren
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 12:26:04 AM
IP: 24.165.226.120

DPH> Wow, you've really though a lot about this haven't you? I have a wish list also, but I'm just thankful we're getting commentaries at all.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, January 3, 2005 11:57:20 PM
IP: 141.155.158.144

Todd - I would actually prefer to think of where commentary would be usefull STRATEGICALLY. It's a given that the fans want commentary on all 4 parts of CoS. (I hope Greg Weisman is reading this and realizing how many of us are taking for granted that all 4 parts of CoS gets commentary.) The next obvious assumption for getting commentary is all 3 parts of Hunter's Moon. What's missing in the commentary? The commentary hasn't covered the Pack. To fill that void, I would humbly suggest commentary on Upgrade, the last episode where all members of the Pack are together.

Why Upgrade? In the 1st commentary, the main characters were intro'd. In the assumed commentary of CoS we really get into Macbeth and Demona's past, as well as commentary on Goliath working with Xanatos. Assuming Hunter's Moon goes through as commentary, we get more of the past, good commentary on Goliath/Elisa's relationship, more of Demona, and Xanatos making peace with Goliath. By doing commentary on Upgrade, we get things that are missed: the Pack, David & Fox's relationship, and a commentary on relationship among the trio.

Doing commentary on every multi-parter is great, but is that really do a complete overview of the series?
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 11:37:12 PM
IP: 67.14.195.45

yeah, thats definitly Goliath, the loincloth and the amount of fingers and toes prove it, as well as the wing shapes and general body shape and posture...
matt
Monday, January 3, 2005 10:39:26 PM
IP: 68.93.185.101

KRIS> You found it!!! You actually found it!! THANKS A MILLION!!! I KNEW i WASN'T GOING CRAZY!

THAT IS GOLIATH!!!

http://www.iaw.on.ca/~falls/image/light32.gif

AVALON CLIFF HANGER> You can't have it as a cliff hanger. Put up to "High Noon" on one set because that it the natural break in the story line. It is also the last ep before the start of the tour.

Thanks again, Kris!

That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
Edmonton , Alberta , Canada
Monday, January 3, 2005 10:06:57 PM
IP: 198.53.28.99

"The Mirror" would be a close second to "City of Stone" in terms of "Which early story of Season Two should have a commentary?" I'd also like one for "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time" (one of my favorites still, both for the Arthurian content and a good way of getting across the concept of "being able to read is a good idea"). Maybe Greg could actually work in the plug for the various real books on Merlin out there (such as Mary Stewart's "The Crystal Cave") that he'd wanted to include in the episode!
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, January 3, 2005 07:49:53 PM
IP: 4.244.18.56

Greg B> yeah, i noticed that too late... oh well.

beards> Greg once said something like "how do we know Lex doesn't shave his head and his face?" *shrugs* a typical Greg remark, lol!
matt
Monday, January 3, 2005 06:58:30 PM
IP: 68.93.185.101

Garg beards>> Defaulting to he who created them (...Greg), the answer is typically, "Some do, some don't." In Brooklyn's case, Greg has said that the most he could likely manage is a goatee. He seems to hint that the others are not likely to grow facial hair that requires shaving, though at the same time he hasn't ruled it out.
Alex Garg
VA, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 05:47:22 PM
IP: 70.21.58.64

Vertigo !> Okay, well, that answers part of the question. The rest of it remains. Why doesn't Goliath have a beard, nd if he can grow one, does he need to shave?
Phoenyx
Memphis, TN, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 05:23:37 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

About the gargs shaving, I doubt they did. Looking at our own species, some of us are known for being hairy while others aren't. Broadway MIGHT grow a beard considering his heritage, but I doubt the others will. Lexington doesn't have any hair to speak of, so that wouldn't be an issue for him. Given Brooklyn's choice of hair style, I don't think it would occur to him to shave either. His "beak" probably doesn't even have any hair folicles to speak of. Given how he and the others looked in "Future Tense" (Yes, I know it was made up by Puck, but given who he is he might know something of gargoyle physiology.) it may take Broadway a good while to even grow one while the others wouldn't have to worry about shaving at all.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 05:20:31 PM
IP: 207.65.41.145

That's absolutely Goliath in the Festival of Lights at Niagara Falls. There's no mistaking it. The finger-like protrusions on the top of the wing (used to clasp the wings together while caped), the joint protrusions on the elbows and knees, the loin cloth, the ribbed structure of the wing... it's absolutely Goliath, there's no way someone accidentally created a Goliath-like display that similar in detail.

Now the really interesting question is the origin of that particular display. Is it maybe something left over from 10 years ago or did a fan of the show put it together? Very interesting.
Gorebash
Monday, January 3, 2005 05:13:41 PM
IP: 192.207.57.40

Recently asked question:

PrincessSolaris writes...

Where can I find the Gargoyles DVD Set aside from Amazon and other online ordering sites?

* * *

One would think ASKING this comment room 1st be a higher priority than submitting that particular question to Ask Greg.

DPH
AR, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 04:50:53 PM
IP: 67.14.195.23

Ok, that looks too much like Goliath to NOT be him.

And on gargoyles having to shave.... not too sure on this one, but if they do, then what did they use to shave back before the massacre? I'm sure it wasn't anything too nice like the small shavers that are around today.
BrooksBabe
T.O., Canada
Monday, January 3, 2005 04:48:48 PM
IP: 130.63.176.238

Wanna see the Goliath light that Battle Beast was talking about earlier?

http://www.iaw.on.ca/~falls/image/light32.gif

Pretty sure it's not the demon from Fantasia. I don't believe that one was shown below the waist, was it? Nope, that loincloth is distinctly Goliath's and I'm pretty sure the face and what little I can see of the hair gives it away as well. Can't remember Fantasia very well, saw it so long ago, so I'm not sure if the wings and body are unique to Goliath as well or if the two characters are a lot more similar than I'm imagining. Would be nice to have a larger image. I'm sure we could get one if we could find out who these are made by or where they're stored or something, it'd be a nice thing to share with the rest of the fandom.

I wonder if that's supposed to be the corner of a building he's on, or a chimney. Chimney would be cool for a Xmas quality. I'd like to own it. It's like how the movie The Nightmare Before Christmas doubles as both a Halloween and Xmas movie, that Goliath light would work well for either occasion (heh, who cares if your family and/or neighbors question your mental health when you put it up at Xmas).

Phoenyx > Good question, I'd never wondered about that. Maybe it's one of those off-screen things, kinda like how you know characters need to go to the bathroom on TV and in books, but it isn't often depicted/described by creators 'cause it's not something that needs to be seen or said unless it's important to the story for some reason. I have a feeling the Trio may still be too young to need to shave if gargoyles' hair-growing is anything like that of humans. They're in their 30s or so, right? But that means they're teens by gargoyle age standards. Personally I had to shave on a weekly and soon after daily basis by the time I was 14, but I know some guys who didn't grow facial hair much or at all until they were 18 or later and even some who were shaving as early as 11 or 12. So it varies, as I imagine it would with gargoyles as well. Maybe even Goliath hasn't had to shave yet, maybe they don't grow facial hair until they're elderly. I'm trying to remember if any of the other gargoyles that seemed to be roughly Goliath's age had any facial hair...maybe the ones in the Amazonian (or were they Mexican?) and Japanese clans? Can't remember. If they did have facial hair, then it must be that either Goliath is shaving or hair growth varies by ethnicity.
Kris - [plekopleko@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Monday, January 3, 2005 03:32:32 PM
IP: 69.17.169.178

Definitely "City of Stone", and "The Mirror" if he can squeeze it in. That was just too fun an episode NOT to have a commentary track for. If at all possible, Greg's rambles on all the episodes upto "High Noon" should make it on the S2 DVDs, and the rest included for each of the remaining episodes. (He hopefully would have rambled on the rest of the second season by that time. If not...well, Disney could always leave a link to here to read more.)
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 02:00:25 PM
IP: 207.65.41.145

Random question. Do gargoyles have to shave? I was wondering this bc Goliath and the Trio are all clean shaven, and Hudson has a beard. Hmm...
Phoenyx
Memphis, TN, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 12:56:23 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

Season 2 episode commentaries>> I'd like a commentary on "The Mirror," particularly from Greg, Keith and Marina. I think there's plenty in that episode to make for a good commentary; G/E, humans being monsters, and Demmie (do I need to expand on that?).
Alex Garg - [alex_garg@yahoo.com]
VA, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 12:36:49 PM
IP: 70.21.58.64

TODD> My vote would also be "City of Stone". Greg and Frank and hopefully another voice actor also. Since it's "City of Stone", Marina Sirtis or John Rhys-Davies would be great.

MATT> We're talking about a commentary for the next 13 episode batch they'd release. "Hunter's Moon" is a natural for later.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, January 3, 2005 12:21:50 PM
IP: 141.155.158.144

Todd: CoS would definately be the one to do commentary on. It's one of the most important stories in the whole series, and besides, it's what Greg could say the most on. I particularly think he should talk about which Wierd Sister is which, as a lot of people (myself included) don't really get the more subtle stuff Greg was doing with them unless it's pointed out to us (I only got it after reading the Ask Greg stuff on them).

I also think it would cool if they could get Marina Sirtis(sp?) and John Ryns-Daves(sp?) to do commentary on it too.

Why do you think they would only S2's first 13? I imagine they could include Avalon part 1 and leave it as a cliff hanger.
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Monday, January 3, 2005 11:50:15 AM
IP: 64.192.79.181

*Sighs* Well, it looks like i won't be able to make it to Las Vegas for my first Gathering. My cousin had to go and get all engaged on New Year's. They want to get married at the end of July. That date is still in the air. Hopefully, it will change.
Todd> COS would be a wonderful ep to have commentary with, I would also like to see commentary for the Silver Falcon, as it shows that there are other humans out there for the gargoyles to trust.
Phoenyx
Memphis, TN, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 11:23:56 AM
IP: 135.214.150.125

my lucky number, 11!

Todd> CoS would be cool, but why not Hunters Moon 1-3? i'd like to have those commentaries as good bookends. *shrugs* really though, i don't care, i'd be thrilled with Season 2 on DVD even if it had no commentaries!
matt
Monday, January 3, 2005 09:46:25 AM
IP: 68.93.185.101

10th!!!

Sorry...

Todd> I would like to see "The Mirror" or "Vows" as well as CoS. SInce he was able to do five for the first one, I think he would naturally choose CoS. I would be cool if he let the fans choose a couple eps to do commentary on. I think some "fan" input would do the DVD wonders.

Greg would have a field day talking about all the Macbeth/Demona stuff. In fact, I would love to hear him compare Willy's Mac to his Mac. Greg could do the whole 88 min commentary himself!

That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
CanadaMonday, January 3, 2005 08:49:54 AM
IP: 198.53.28.99

10th!!!

That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
CanadaMonday, January 3, 2005 08:44:09 AM
IP: 198.53.28.99

9th!

207 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Patrick
Patrick
Monday, January 3, 2005 07:39:26 AM
IP: 66.93.14.153

8th.

This is something that I've wanted to bring up for the last couple of days, but thought that I should wait until the room cleared first.

We don't know whether the DVD sold well enough for Disney to decide to bring out a Season Two DVD (though let's hope so), but for now, let's assume that it did, and that Disney announces that it is coming out with a Season Two Part One DVD that covers the second season all the way up to "High Noon" (that is, "Leader of the Pack", "Metamorphosis", "Legion", "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time", "The Mirror", "The Silver Falcon", "Eye of the Beholder", "Vows", "City of Stone" - all four parts, and "High Noon"). Greg and other people involved in the show (such as Frank Paur and a few of the voice actors) can do an audio commentary on *one* story in the DVD - either one single-parter or one multi-parter. In such a case, which "Gargoyles" adventure from the above list would you wish most to see them do an audio commentary on?

My own vote would be for "City of Stone". It'd be neat to have Greg talking about the "compare-and-contrast" between the Macbeth of "Gargoyles" and the Macbeth of Shakespeare and how they drew upon the real history of Macbeth for these episodes. We could also hear a lot of insights on the character development of Demona and Macbeth here, the role of the Weird Sisters, and Xanatos and Goliath's team-up (which stands out to me still since it defies so many of the conventions of hero-villain truces in animation). Of course, I also hope that the commentators would be silent during the moments when Demona utters her two biggest lines in the story, "What have I - what have they done to you?" and "The access code is - alone." (They certainly knew to be silent during some of the best lines in "Awakening" such as Goliath telling the Magus to cast his spell one more time.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, January 3, 2005 07:29:23 AM
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7!! ::insert witty comment here::
Chameleongirl
Monday, January 3, 2005 06:51:09 AM
IP: 202.87.162.31

Six is the loneliest number...
Iori - [vulpix[AT]gmail[DOT]com]
CA, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 03:54:01 AM
IP: 67.124.100.197

High Five!!!!!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 02:12:54 AM
IP: 64.112.203.236

4! Finally back from break!
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Monday, January 3, 2005 02:05:30 AM
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Oh hell, I'll take third. Belated Happy Gnu year all!
Wingless
Monday, January 3, 2005 12:34:32 AM
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Second!
Leo
Monday, January 3, 2005 12:20:19 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Looks like I got lucky and got first post!
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 12:03:05 AM
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Hey, thats kinda cool Siren. Now if only those lenses were UV reflective. ;) I freaked a couple people out one year by putting UV reflective lenses in my eyes and held a UV light upto my eyes in the dark. :D Of course, I couldn't see squat with the light in my face, but the reactions I heard were priceless. ;)
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Monday, January 3, 2005 12:01:39 AM
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