Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

****Blaise enters the Room through the door...wearing what appears to be a good deal of frosting and cake.**** I tried to get here in time for Todd's birthday, but I had a bit of trouble....
At any rate (before the Room clears):

TODD> A Happy (belated) Birthday to you!

DESDEMONA> THERE you are!
I've had many a "Whatever happened to <insert name here>?" moment over the years, so it's nice to finally have an answer for one of the "old guard." Thanks for filling us in on what happened to you!
Oh, and welcome back!

All around, I'd say this has been a pretty nice week here in the Comment Room. Here's hoping next week is full of good things, too! Until then, farewell. ****Blaise snaps his fingers in an attempt to make the cake and icing disappear from his person. Instead, his person disappears and the pieces of cake fall to the floor.****
Blaise
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 10:12:37 pm EDT from 209.178.134.19

Being a "newbies' mentor" does require one particular quality: patience, in considerable amounts. It is all too easy to become increasingly fed up whenever the newcomers ask certain questions that get asked (it seems) every time a newcomer shows up, meaning that the arrival of a newbie means "it's time to have to reinvent the wheel yet again". That's one reason why reading the "Ask Greg" queue leaves me feeling near-frustrated. It's a case of "Not another question over why the show ended or if the show's coming back or what are gargoyles?"
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 6:36:08 pm EDT from 4.244.12.230

Harvester> LOL thanks for the link I found that hilarious some of the people that post things to greg.

THis one is my fav

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/archives.php?lid=38&qid=8113

GregB and Tod>you are the newbie's mentors ;-) Hehe yeah I'd rather ask you guys then bother greg that way he can get working on the new comic ;-)

reminds me I need to go post my gathering journal.
Shara Mordinae - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 5:39:19 pm EDT from 209.179.193.213

The one about Hakon and his Helmet always makes me chuckle. :) (linked to it)
Vertigo1 - [md2389@gmail.com]
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage (Mythbusters)
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 5:38:04 pm EDT from 193.251.169.170

Shara: If you're looking for a chuckle, you can check the Smartass Responses in the ASK GREG archives (for which I've supplied a link). A lot of those reponses are to the question of what Titania whispered to Fox. You won't find the answer there, but still, you gotta laugh at a few of 'em (or most of them, like I do).
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear, I will let it pass through me, and when it is gone there will be nothing and only I will remain."
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 1:26:23 pm EDT from 69.174.1.148

Greg B> I thought we had to have over 1000 people at a Gathering for that answer? I remember reading that somewhere.
kingcobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
King Cobra3
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 9:40:05 am EDT from 4.224.63.194

Thanks to everyone who wished me a happy birthday.

SHARA - Thanks for asking us rather than Greg; he's been subjected to that question too many times. (I've occasionally wondered if he sometimes regrets including that scene now.) Not to mention a lot of even worse questions flooding the queue in "Ask Greg" (it's particularly sad to notice that, when the queue was opened up for Gathering 2005 reports, more people submitted regular questions - often on topics that had been asked already too many times - than the actual Gathering reports).

I hope that Gore gets that revamping installed soon.
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 6:47:57 am EDT from 4.244.12.174

SHARA> Wow, you are new. ;)

What does Titania whisper? Nobody knows. Well, Fox and Titania know. But no one else.

Greg won't say. Not unless we get over 500 people to a Gathering anyway ;)
Greg Bishansky
I am so going to the Special Hell
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 2:32:11 am EDT from 69.118.108.212

im just curious. Since I'm new to the fandom maybe some of you older fans can answer this so i dont bother greg. I was watching my old VHS tapes today.

what does Titana *cant spell you know oberons wife) whisper to fox before Her and oberon both leave back to avalon after the battle over alex?

Happy birthday to all having birthdays :P
Shara Mordinae - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 2:28:37 am EDT from 209.179.199.30

Huh. The clock that posts a persons post time is ten minutes slow. Gore???
Battle Beast - [Canada]
3½ days untill I'm standing in the middle of 1313 Harbor Boulevard!
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 1:31:59 am EDT from 198.53.28.99

Happy belated B-Day Todd! (Although, in mountain time, ya still got 22 minutes. Time enough for two more drinks! ;)
Battle Beast - [Canada]
3½ days untill I'm standing in the middle of 1313 Harbor Boulevard!
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 1:30:54 am EDT from 198.53.28.99

Todd: Sorry it's a bit late, but I hope your birthday was happy.

DTaina: Be sure to mention to people that if they use their account on amazon.ca, they can in effect post two reviews of the Gargoyles DVD. Though some might consider this cheating. I posted my second review onlyafter I had received and watched the first season DVD. But that's only because I didn't know I could post two reviews until we discussed it, which was a few weeks after December 7th. I'll probably do the same thing again this year.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens." -David Byrne
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 12:51:48 am EDT from 69.174.1.148

Desdemona! Whoa, Welcome back! Some of us never outgrow the good stuff. Nice to see you again. I do hope you will be able to join us for the LA Gathering. If not, I know you'll at least be with us in spirit. :)

Shan - Wow, I've never seen anyone come up with that many excuses not to attend a convention in their own backyard. Come on... you know you want to be there as bad as the rest of us do! Stop being so negative about it! :)
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
"...we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die." --Mal, Firefly
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2005 12:36:19 am EDT from 69.226.36.22

Happy Birthday, Todd!
Leo
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 10:11:43 pm EDT from 68.231.241.236

Todd>I was always tempted to draw a cartoon of me (trying) bathing Bronx or cutting his nails, but I haven't the talent to draw that. lol And a happy birthday to ya! :D

Kaylle>Most certainly :D I can try and make the video larger in size if you'd like. :)

Greg B.> *smacks forehead* Now why didn't I think of that?? Thanks :D

Once I am finished with this one Titan A.E. video I've been working on all day, I'll start on the commercial. Hopefully have it done by mid week :) Wish me luck....no.....PATIENCE! ;)
Siren
Click my name for my newest Gargoyles music video!
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 10:10:54 pm EDT from 67.8.164.95

Todd - Did I really ask such a question??? Oh my goodness, how embarassing! :) If so, what else can I say but that I was 13 at the time... lol. 22 in October (or as I like to think of it, my "2nd Annual 21st Birthday Party"). How time flies!
Desdemona - [allykatty1@hotmail.com]
Even in this world, of course, it is the stupidest children who are the most childish and the stupidest grown-ups who are the most grown-up. ~CS Lewis
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 9:45:18 pm EDT from 141.149.39.106

TODD> Yeah, kinda.

Hope you had a good birthday btw.
Greg Bishansky
I am so going to the Special Hell
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 9:02:42 pm EDT from 69.118.108.212

BISHANSKY - Thanks for the information. I'm not that familiar with "Transformers", so I hadn't known that. So the Transformers (both Autobots and Decepticons) are more like - say - the ColdTrio, then, in the sense of living souls inside robotic bodies?
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 8:48:27 pm EDT from 4.244.18.62

SIREN> I'd say if you're still trying to decide on how to do a trailer for the next DVD set. A "The Legend Continues" theme could be cool.

Happy Birthday Todd!

"Something that I can accept the way that I can't accept the notion of "evil robots" a la the Decepticons in "Transformers". (Although, after the room's cleared, I'd like to mention an idea that I'd had of how I would do an army of invading robots, if I had to do such a thing, in a way that I could accept it.)"

Well, in the fiction, Transformers were created by a god. Long story short, eons ago, two gods clashed, Primus who was a God of Light, and the Chaos Bringer: Unicron who wanted to consume the entire universe. Billions of years ago they battled. Eventually both got trapped in asteroids, but over the millions of years both began to shape their asteroid prisons. Unicron shaped his into a new body that was able to transform from a planet into a robot form that resembled his old form, so he could again consume the entire universe. Primus created an entire world instead and gave life to new beings who's destiny would be to defeat Unicron. Half were intended to be an attack force, the other half natural protectors. The attack force became the Decepticons, and were expansionist, and ambitious by nature.
Greg Bishansky
I am so going to the Special Hell
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 8:33:44 pm EDT from 69.118.108.212

Greg> Thanks! And happy belated birthday ;)

Siren, would you be interested/willing to make a new video commercial for the GargoylesDVD site? I'm certainly not a Flash expert ;)

Desdemona> Welcome back :) And in case you haven't heard, not only are we getting another DVD, we're getting new stories from Greg in comic book form! Check out CreatureComics.com for more info. This is truly a fabulous time to be a Gargoyles fan.
Kaylle - [kaylle@ladyavalon.com]
GargoylesDVD.com
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 8:13:20 pm EDT from 70.60.15.159

DESDEMONA - Welcome back! I remember you from when I first discovered the chat room back in late 1996/early 1997. I recall you once asking what would happen if you dropped an anvil on a gargoyle. (My answer to that question would be: it would probably kill the gargoyle unless it was Demona, in which case she'd come crawling out from underneath the anvil and go looking for the person who dropped it.)

I'd thought of grooming as merely dealing with dog hair (it probably helps that I haven't had a dog for several years, and am thus a little out of touch over proper care for them), so hadn't thought of baths. I suspect that the clan could easily give Bronx a bath on their own (though whether he'd want one is another question entirely).

Today was my birthday, and among other things, I watched another of my old "Gargoyles" tapes, "Walkabout". It's a pity that I didn't watch it earlier in the week, actually, for it reminded me of one issue that I've sometimes discussed here, the concept of an artificial intelligence as the antagonist. The Matrix was one of the most convincing cases of that, due to his objective (reformatting the world, in a way that would probably wipe out all living creatures on it) being thanks to a misinterpretation of his programming. Something that I can accept the way that I can't accept the notion of "evil robots" a la the Decepticons in "Transformers". (Although, after the room's cleared, I'd like to mention an idea that I'd had of how I would do an army of invading robots, if I had to do such a thing, in a way that I could accept it.)
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 7:06:22 pm EDT from 4.244.18.62

I believe Greg has already answered this. Basically, stone sleep rejuvinates them.
Greg Bishansky
I am so going to the Special Hell
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:54:25 pm EDT from 69.118.108.212

Dont gargoyles refresh themselfs as they sleep in there stone? Meaning cancer would'nt happen. That and sweat would be removed *L* We need greg to answer all this stuff. I have no idea im just curious.
Shara Mordinae - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:51:18 pm EDT from 209.179.198.57

Siren, Hmm, maybe Greg can answer that, as soon as his submission is open again.
Matt Fews
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:37:33 pm EDT from 67.71.159.17

You'd be surprised just what kind of dogs we groomed there

We had two Chinese Crested (nearly hairless dogs), who came in for...get this....HAIRCUTS! They have a hair here and there on their body, tufts of hair on thier head, ankles and tails. We'd have to shave them 100% bald. So even if Bronx is hairless, a bath might do him some good. Hairless doesn't essentially mean clean. Hairless dogs still need a bath for sweat and conditioning of the skin, since there is no fur to protect it from the elements. Hairless dogs tend to have skin problems because there is no protection, especially from the sun. Though Bronx doesn't have to worry about this anyways. But he may indeed have sweat glands that going on too long without a bath or at least a rainshower or swim might end up giving him a funky smell :P

Though their birthrate is low, this less need to neuter, I do wonder...do gargoyles get cancer? This is often the second biggest reason why people neuter and spay, to ward of cancer in the reproduction organs. Even though surface wounds may heal, I'm not sure if gargoyles can ward of such a serious disease with stone sleep. If they even get cancer in the first place.
Siren
Click my name for my newest Gargoyles music video!
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:39:30 pm EDT from 67.8.164.95

Pst Pseudonyms> I used to post as "Pyro X" and, for a short time, as "Brooklyn X" (untill I saw someone else used that name... now I think there are three of us...). I was a regular at Station * back when "Ask Greg" was a one long page with green writing and they had castle blue prints you could acess and sound files, I think. I dropped out for a while But came back at least twice, the last time permanently.

I just can't get enough of you guys and gals. :)
Battle Beast - [Canada]
4½ days untill I'm standing in the middle of 1313 Harbor Boulevard!
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:04:09 pm EDT from 198.53.28.99

Desdemona> Though we've never met, since I was introduced to this fandom only five years ago, your story resonates with me as my love in animation began with two different series and has led me to (also incorporating GARGOYLES and a chance to learn directly from Greg Weisman along the way) to employment in the Los Angeles animation industry as an animation production coordinator and (to a lesser extent) as a television writer.

Best of luck to you, and I really encourage you to make Gathering 2006 work out in any way possible. Renewing your contact with the fandom, plus an amazing opportunity to network and introduce yourself to people who have remained very active in the animation business since GARGOYLES, is an opportunity you should take advantage of if at all possible. I hope to be there myself, but a lot of it is going to hinge on exactly which hotel in the Greater LA area is decided upon as this affects my commute. (Also, being local, it will be hard to justify a hotel room in my budget so if it is a distance there is that to consider.) But I plan to make it if at all possible.

Also, feel free to take note of my email and contact me at any time if you wish if I can be of *ANY* help to you at all.

Again, best of luck to you.
Shannon "Shan" Muir - [shanemuir@aol.com]
Shannon "Shan" Muir
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 9:44:09 am EDT from 207.200.116.196

Desdemona> Yes, I remember you. Funny enough, early today I was thinking about fans from way, way back in the day who haven't been around in ages, and you were one of the people I thought of.

I used to post as just 'Xanatos' way back then, though now I use my real name.

Yep, the fandom is still alive and kicking. What with the DVDs, and even a new comic book coming out by Greg Weisman next year. It will be the third season he always wanted.

Hell, we're even celebrating the TENTH ANNUAL Gathering of the Gargoyles next summer.

Congrats on all your accomplishments, I'm going to film school myself, and I wish you luck, and hope you stick around.
Greg Bishansky
Always bet on stupidity.
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:53:35 am EDT from 69.118.108.212

Wow.

Warning: Novel Ahead

This must be my first post here in... I dunno, six, seven years? I used to post here all the time under the screenname of Desdemona, and likewise, this is the first time I've used that nick in six or seven years. I had a Gargoyles website which is miraculously still in existence (although nearly all of the links are dead) and attended the first two Gatherings, which were my first visits to New York City.

Since then, I've lost track of things, went off to college, moved on to other obsessions (e.g. Lord of the Rings, music), etc. And where did I end up? Why, New York University, of all places, where I just graduated with an Honors degree in Dramatic Writing for Film and Television. And a full-length animated script as my thesis project, which just may end up as a major 3D feature with Dreamworks or Pixar. Things are looking promising on that front.

How ironic that I didn't realize until just yesterday what an influence Gargoyles has had on my life. I have a vague memory of having started a Gargoyles fan fiction once while still in early high school, the flowerings of what could have one day been a spec script, long before I figured out my career path. I've never forgotten where I first learned of several of Shakespeare's characters, nor where I first heard something as simple as the word "sirrah" (which has since popped up in my own writing, as has a depth of fantasy themes). To this day, I cannot hear the words "Bronx" or "Brooklyn," or see Cleopatra's Needle in Central Park without thinking of the show, and yet it somehow evaded my general consciousness for the past several years. Those simple occasions aside, I barely thought of Gargoyles. Heck, I may have even visited Scotland twice with it barely ocurring to me. It somehow became mostly a memory, an artifact of my gawky, geeky 13-year-old self.

Now that I've graduated, here I am trying to redefine myself. Part of that seems to be getting _back_ to myself. I have a friend in between apartments staying with me this month, and she remembered me mentioning Gargoyles once. Turns out she had the Season 1 DVD, and several other episodes on tape (of course, I have them all on tape at my parents' house, but they have been gathering dust for some time). I had no idea she was such a big fan, and more incredible, I had no idea a DVD even existed! Me, who used to be top of everything Gargoyle.

So the last couple days I've been watching episodes, and it's been so long, I honestly cannot even remember what happens in some of them! And I used to know practically every word of every episode. I feel like I'm 11 or 12 again, seeing them all for the first time! And it's even better in some ways, as now I'm so familiar with Manhattan, I know exactly where they are a good chunk of the time. And even though my more mature mind, not to mention trained and changed writer's mind, perhaps laughs at certain points and asks questions I wouldn't have at 13 or 14, I find myself welling over with joy and the thrill of everything that made me love the show in the first place. I still wish I had wings... not to mention those cool feet.

And how funny is this: just today, my friend and I were wondering, "Hmm, do you suppose they'll ever release the rest of the episodes on DVD?"

So here I am after 1 AM NYC time, unable to sleep (too much tea, methinks), wandering online and it strikes me to visit here. I wonder if the fandom even exists anymore. What a nice surprise to see that lo and behold, not only does it exist, but the Season 2 DVD: Vol. 1, has just been announced! What perfect timing.

I'm also planning a move to LA in January, to pursue acting, feature screenwriting, and possibly a job at Dreamworks or ImageMovers. And I notice that conveniently the next Gathering is in LA. I may just inconveniently be on a family trip to Germany at that time in June, but you never know... I just might make it. :)
Desdemona - [allykatty1@hotmail.com]
Even in this world, of course, it is the stupidest children who are the most childish and the stupidest grown-ups who are the most grown-up. ~CS Lewis
posted @ Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:44:42 am EDT from 141.149.39.106

I know this is a little late, but I'm VERY happy about the DVD release!! I hope we don't have to wait a year for the rest of season two. Did Greg say anything about releasing season three on DVD? I know I may be the only one who actually wants it, if only for the sake of having the complete set! Besides, I want The Journey on DVD!

Should we start another reviews campaign? Maybe try to aim for 200 reviews this time? That last one was a lot of fun and I think it really made a difference!
D. Taina
"Humans fear what they do not understand." - Goliath
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 11:33:24 pm EDT from 172.163.219.72

Todd Jensen> LOL
kingcobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
King Cobra3
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 8:40:30 pm EDT from 4.225.102.152

Bronx would only see the plush toy as one more thing to chew up, anyway....
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 8:05:17 pm EDT from 4.244.18.197

Well, I guess I stand corrected. So much for the Bronx plushie Idea. Sorry Bronx. No cuddly toy for you.
Wingless
one banana, two banana, three banana, four. 4 bananas make a bunch and so do many more
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 7:53:40 pm EDT from 70.27.173.206

About Garg Beast hair:

FROM ASK GREG:

Sklyar Asks:
"Are gargoylebeasts furry? (Sometimes I think they have hair , sometimes they don´t. - The stomach seems to be furry, but I´m not shure.)"

Greg Replies:
"Generally, no. But some may have some fur or hair , just as regular gargs do."
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [<---- Cover picture]
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 7:41:16 pm EDT from 216.195.244.80

It always seemed to me, from the way that he looked, that Bronx was hairless - but that's probably a question that we'll need Greg Weisman to answer (after Gorebash finally sorts out "Ask Greg" so that the redundant questions get their own queue where somebody other than Greg will be answering them).
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 7:21:36 pm EDT from 4.244.12.92

Todd: How do we know Bronx has no fur? I'm not a regular reader of Ask Greg, but has that been answered there?(pardon my ignorance if it has.) I imaigne Bronx to have extremely short stiff fur-(the dark blue part of his body) and more exposed skin with only light fuzz on the light blue areas. I know this would mean the skin would have to react differently when he wakes up in order to retain the hair, but hey, why not? I don't know if it's been set in stone(sorry for the pun) whether he has fur or not - but I suppose it's up to one's artistic license. Besides, even better reason to have plushie toy Bronx merchandise ^_~
Ok, maybe that's going a bit far, but still.
Wingless
one banana, two banana, three banana, four. 4 bananas make a bunch and so do many more
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 7:12:49 pm EDT from 70.27.173.206

Bronx going to a groomer strikes me as pointless, since he doesn't have any fur. I doubt that he'd be up for surgery, since neutering operations don't strike me as a necessity for gargoyle beasts the way that they would for dogs and cats. They have a far lower birth rate (only one egg per female gargoyle beast every twenty years), so if anything, they've got an underpopulation problem rather than an overpopulation problem.
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 6:48:55 pm EDT from 4.244.12.92

Just to wish Greg HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Hope you had a good one! x x x
Dudette
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 5:40:05 pm EDT from 62.252.32.16

A quick word on the commentary for "Awakening": I've noticed that Frank's voice has a slightly lower pitch than Greg's. If you're actively trying to notice it, it is easy to tell them apart. Of course, the more voices you get, the harder it becomes. Don't know what Michael Reaves sounds like, but we'll find out soon enough. I too would like to leave the countdown in Patrick's hands. He's better at it.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"What we have been is what we are."
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 3:52:42 pm EDT from 69.174.1.148

Siren> Do groomers work the graveyard sift? :P
Battle Beast - [Canada]
5½ days untill I'm standing in the middle of 1313 Harbor Boulevard!
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 3:33:13 pm EDT from 198.53.28.99

Siren>LOL I work at a vet office. If he came in for surgery I don't know what we would do. MUZZLE anyone?

we're starting a back east gargoyle publicity team if your interested and want to wear your costume at one of the con's they go to.
Shara - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 3:20:27 pm EDT from 209.179.195.67

*** Post your Con journals at Ask Greg****

Greg wanted to see 100 I bet he'd be happy to see 50 there are currently FIFTEEN you only have till the end of August so if you had a good time just say "I had a great time!"

***End***
Revel
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 12:43:08 pm EDT from 24.182.112.92

Siren, especially Bronx a la The Mirror
Matt Fews
Long live Greg the Bunny
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 11:56:11 am EDT from 206.47.191.83

As a former groomer, I want to see what groomers would think of Bronx should he walk in. But since most grooming shops close before it gets dark, they may luck out, LMAO

Shara>Oh, I'll be taking pictures, you can bet on it! :D
Siren
Click my name for my newest Gargoyles music video!
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 11:49:41 am EDT from 67.8.164.95

Todd, not to mention Gargoyle beast like Bronx.
Matt Fews
Long live Greg the Bunny
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 8:03:58 am EDT from 206.47.191.83

My latest creativity demon:

Restaurants throughout New York refuse to admit gargoyles, but claim when they're questioned about it that it has nothing to do with racial discrimination at all. Instead, they say, it's due to their "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" policy. Since most gargoyles wear loincloths, and no gargoyles at all wear shoes, they can't enter the restaurant and be served under the terms of that code. (Followed by the restaurant owners adding under their breaths, "Boy, we had no idea that that policy would come in so handy.")
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 7:11:00 am EDT from 4.244.12.179

Happy Birthday, Greg B!
King Cobra3 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Fri, Aug 19, 2005 12:38:37 am EDT from 4.224.63.188

****A blinding flash fills the Room. When it diminishes, there stands Blaise holding an immense cake (really, it's bigger than he is!). He places it on the buffet table (with an audible sigh of relief).**** I figured there should be enough cake for the birthdays and the DVD news.

GREG X> A most Happy Birthday to you!

KARINE> And the same for you as well!

GARGOYLES SEASON 2, VOL.1 DVD> Woo-hoo! This is...oh, words fail me, but it's GOOD! And with intros to the episodes! Failing commentaries for all of them, intros will definitely work. Can't wait to see the box art!

Anyhow, once again a Happy Birthday to those having them. See you all later! Until then, farewell. ****Blaise bows and turns to leave...then slips in a bit of frosting that fell off the cake, and slides right out the door. There is a loud crash followed by an even louder profanity.****
Blaise
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:39:55 pm EDT from 209.178.139.56

I posted two alerts about the Gargoyles Season Two Part One DVD on a couple of Arthurian mailing lists that I subscribe to; since "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time" and "Avalon" are both going to be in the DVD, I thought it an appropriate place to spread the word.

I was watching my tape of "Grief" today, and found the opening scene particularly amusing in light of recent developments. When Wolf was setting up the braziers for the Emir's summoning-spell, he was grumbling out loud about how he was tired of being "slave labor", those being his actual words. Almost prophetic.
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:00:23 pm EDT from 4.244.18.194

Greetings all...

I'm going to work up a flyer that can be downloaded to be passed around the fandom, as well as displayed on my own website. I'll also be displaying it at some of the bigger cons come this Fall here in the Southeast.

Happy Birthday to Greg and Karine... crud, I'm older than Greg is!

On a closing note, I've posted a new commentary in my LiveJournal, this one on "The Batman" series (considering Greg Weisman did some work on it, I had to check it out further!), and my latest post has the makings of the start of a new contest thingy I've done on my own.

For a bit of fun, go over and take a stab at my Gargoyles Monthly Caption Contest! ^_^

http://www.livejournal.com/users/stephenrsjr/11939.html

That's all from me for now!

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen Sobotka Jr
"It is the way of the Jedi to comprehend bad comedy... in other words, "Feel the Farce."
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 3:34:42 pm EDT from 24.28.10.202

Happy B day Greg.!!!

Siren be prepared for much picture taking if you dress as a gargoyle ;-) I wanna see pictures too.
Shara Mordinae - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 2:30:55 pm EDT from 209.179.193.232

In the tradition of Family Guy comes yet another show's revival. TOON into IFC tomorrow night for the rebirth of Greg the Bunny.
Matt Fews
'The turkey' s just my room-mate' Chutney FOTP
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:39:34 am EDT from 206.47.191.83

I meant to add that earlier....Happy birthday Greg!

And what's so wrong with 26? :P
Siren
Click my name for my newest Gargoyles music video!
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:37:29 am EDT from 67.8.164.95

........................Greg B. 24? Still a youngin'. Just wait till you get to 26. It's all downhill after that.

Happy Birthday
Vin
castle0909
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:26:09 am EDT from 70.115.215.242

Kayelle>I plan to put a little message about the DVD in all my forum signatures. I am also currently brainstorming the new Gargoyles Season 2 commercial :) And now that I am more comfortable with the program, I know I can make it better. I am just trying to think of the theme for it....Like the first commercial, it was introducing the series and characters. Since this is Season 2, I think I shouldn't do as much introduction. Anyone have any ideas? I have a few of my own, but if I hear something better, I'm taking it... :D
I'm also downloading some episodes in hopes I can find better quality ones then what I have on VHS. But many of them have the Toon Disney logo and stuff which is slightly annoying, but I'll deal...
I've always been watching some commercials online of Buffy Season 2,3,4, etc to see how they did their's. Keith David!!! Where are you?!?! Could you please record a voice over for the commercial?!?! ;)
I am also mentioning the series anywhere I post in some way shape or form, so I will become as annoying as I was last year around this time ;)

And for the ultimate advertisment, this Halloween, I plan to dress as a gargoyle and anytime someone asks me, "Who I am?", I'll say, "I'm a gargoyle. Gargoyles the series comes out on DVD on December 6th" :D
Siren
Click my name for my newest Gargoyles music video!
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:04:40 am EDT from 67.8.164.95

Happy Birthday, Bishansky!
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:23:23 am EDT from 4.244.12.86

oops Greg you beat me to the punch :P
Shara Mordinae - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 1:34:21 am EDT from 209.179.194.72

That could be that live action gargoyle movie thing thats been around before disneys gargoyles.

Greg Bishansky>Nice meeting you at the gathering by the way. :)
Shara Mordinae - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 1:33:25 am EDT from 209.179.194.72

Maybe it's that live action, made for TV Gargoyles movie. Nothing to do wth our Gargoyles.
Greg Bishansky
Always bet on stupidity.
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 1:16:01 am EDT from 69.118.108.212

Bishansky: That is interesting. What I find an even bigger mystery, however, is what exactly that other Gargoyles item is. We know it's distributed by Sony Music, but it doesn't even have an image. At least, it didn't last time I checked. And Happy Birthday. Though for some reason, I thought you were older.

Anyone who has any guesses as to what's at the other end of this link, please share. And if they involve conspiracies, so much the better. I'm gonna guess the item in question is a strapless evening gown, but that's what I think everything is.

Jurgan: Love the signature, my friend. I had nearly forgotten about that movie, and didn't know if anyone else remembered it.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Kids come running for the great taste of Sampo!"
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 1:13:17 am EDT from 69.174.1.148

Kaylle and greg b> Thats why we created this site. www.ka-blamo.com/cons

We found alot of publicity happens at these conventions. Next one where going to is Pacific media expo in Long beach california. Anyone who wants to join us can. Tom pays entrance fees and hotel stuff as long as people help get the word out about gargs.
We're working with the gathering staff this year to do more publicity. There desgining another sticker for us to hand out. I found the best publicty happens by going to comic book stores and just asking if you can set a flyer there or a sticker or something for people to pick up. Most of them usually let you. Maybe if fans desgined a flyer of some sort to download and print to put at there local comic book stores. I think at comic con alone at our booth we got about 200 people who did'nt know about the dvd to go buy it.
Shara Mordinae - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:53:29 am EDT from 209.179.254.51

Well, today (the 18th) I turn 24, and will be celebrating with sleeping in, filling out student loan forms, and a sushi dinner! Should be fun.

KAYLLE> I'm thinking of ideas. Already promoting the con in my sigs on other boards. I think if we had a flashy, eye-catching all for one banner it would be awesome.

And I saw you at the con, but I didn't place your name as the person behind the DVD site. If I did, I would have come up to shake your hand for doing all this, you rock!
Greg Bishansky
Always bet on stupidity.
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:28:43 am EDT from 69.118.108.212

I mentioned this to Greg at the Gathering, and he suggested posting in here. I've also made posts on my livejournal and some of the LJ communities, so I apologize if you've seen this several times already.

Disney isn't going advertise the DVDs or the comics. We learned that last year. So it's up to us to sell them. So I've been trying to think of easy ways to raise awareness without spending a lot of money or effort (if you think of some, post them!). Put links in your message board signatures, your AIM and MSN and ICQ profiles, your IRC quitlines, everywhere! That was my express purpose for creating the GargoylesDVD.com site; to give people a concise, easy-to-remember link they could pass out to their friends to get info about the DVD(s). According to the stats engine on the server, the site gets 150-200 unique visitors every month. That's a lot of people! I'm sure Ask Greg and the Gathering sites get more, but more advertising certainly can't hurt them.

There are a lot of people who loved the show who've lost track of it over the years and don't even know it's coming out on DVD. Every time my Gathering roommates and I were stopped by a stranger in Las Vegas and asked what the convention was all about, the person responded, "Oh, yeah, I remember that show! It was great!" We have to find these people!

*And* we have the comic book coming out! There are a lot of exciting things going on in the fandom right now, but they're not being publicized. We know Disney isn't going to do it. If we want any publicity at all, we have to provide it. And putting a link in your livejournal profile or your email signature doesn't cost anything.

I know, I know, I'm preaching to the converted and lots of people are already doing this and much more to promote the show and the comic. But if you can help, especially in some free and painless fashion, please do!
Kaylle - [kaylle@ladyavalon.com]
GargoylesDVD.com
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:15:41 am EDT from 70.60.15.159

That is curious, and I can't figure it out. Even stranger to me is that it is listed as "Starring: Michael Dorn," and has none of the other cast. Sure, he was in a few episodes, but "starring?"
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
"Note well an endlessness of little dogs, receding through progressive diminution to a revelation of the ultimate truth... Beyond the last visible dog." Russell Hoban, The Mouse and His Child
posted @ Wed, Aug 17, 2005 9:43:17 pm EDT from 68.58.251.130

Curious... Amazon.com has retitled the next DVD:

"Gargoyles: Season 2 Vol. 1-3"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000ATQYVA/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_1/103-2419505-6503016
Greg Bishansky
Always bet on stupidity.
posted @ Wed, Aug 17, 2005 8:46:45 pm EDT from 69.118.108.212

Please, everyone post your G2005 CONJOURNALS to ASK GREG by the end of August. I've asked Gorebash to shut down the ASK GREG Submit function at about midnight on August 31st. So before memories get even hazier, please take a few minutes to write up your experiences and cut and paste them here.

Thanks.
Greg Weisman
Greg Weisman
posted @ Wed, Aug 17, 2005 6:04:21 pm EDT from 66.245.233.54

Here in Canada, DVD's (Transformers DVD's especially, but cartoons in genral) are WAAAAAYY overpriced.

I can get DVDs from Amazon.com (with american conversion AND shipping) CHEAPER tyhan going to my local Future Shop. Transformers Season 2 part 1 cost $85 around Edmonton where as it cost me $65 from Amazon.com (or it did when I bought it).

In the US, Gargoyles might sell for $40 US, but up here it'll probably be marked up over $50 US.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
7½ days untill I'm standing in the middle of 1313 Harbor Boulevard!
posted @ Wed, Aug 17, 2005 4:00:27 pm EDT from 198.53.28.99

"$40 US??? Oh-oh, this sounds like it'll be another of those highly-overpriced cartoon DVD sets like My Litlle Pony or transfrmers..."

Double the episodes = double the price :)

At least it's not like 13 episodes of Six Feet Under for $89.99!!
IRC Goliath - [goliath1 [at] pacbell [dot] net]
Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly Fond Of Each Other
posted @ Wed, Aug 17, 2005 2:36:40 pm EDT from 209.234.142.80

Yeah for gargoyles!!

Anyways all thoughs that attended the gathering found out about our gargoyle publicity site. We almost have that up and running. Right now we just have this up
www.ka-blamo.com/cons for anyone interested. Next con we are going to is Pacific media expo.

Webcomic site progress 90%

Anyways just wanted to share this with people. I find it interesting how many people enjoyed gargoyles but have no clue it is on dvd. While going to conventions this year with the publicty site crew. (anime expo, comic con and other small cons) we had a booth set up promoting gargoyles. Similar to the one we had set up at the gathering exept ,we had a laptop set up so people could access the comment room, other garg fan sites etc.

people would come up to our gargoyle booth and we would talk about the show and tell them about the dvd's and the new comic , Their responces were...

"WOW i love that show thanks so much I'm going to get the dvd's." ,

"I did'nt know it was on dvd where do I get it"

"Theres a convention? When is it?"

There is a thread in my livejournal that I post on called girl geeks. If you click the link above you can see the responses of people finding out for the first time gargoyles is back on dvd and in comics.

It just goes to show that if disney really spent time advertizing they would sell a huge amount of dvd's. If they don't this year it's up to us to get the word out. The fans are out there they just don't know.
Shara - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 17, 2005 12:59:30 pm EDT from 209.179.198.74

111 days until Season 2 Volume 1 is released. Patrick, if you want to keep up with this countdown, I yield it to you.

I'm holding the dvds for season 2 are double sided. 26 episodes in 3 discs = 2 disks with 9 episodes and 1 disk with 8 episodes.
dph
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Aug 17, 2005 3:27:31 am EDT from 63.232.248.104

"$40 US??? Oh-oh, this sounds like it'll be another of those highly-overpriced cartoon DVD sets like My Litlle Pony or transfrmers..."

Thats actually pretty cheap considering that its about average with similar TV series released in a similar manner. I pay that much for each season of Stargate SG-1, even though its loaded with ALOT more extras.

As for double-sided vs. single-sided, having them being double-sided is a good idea since it means the episodes wouldn't be as compressed and would look all the more better on-screen. You could really tell how much they compressed the season 1 set by watching the artifacts on the credits. Not that I'm complaining or anything.
Vertigo1 - [md2389@gmail.com]
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage (Mythbusters)
posted @ Wed, Aug 17, 2005 2:18:39 am EDT from 193.251.169.170

Battle Beast said:
"$40 US??? Oh-oh, this sounds like it'll be another of those highly-overpriced cartoon DVD sets like My Litlle Pony or transformers..."

$40 isn't bad at all. It's already listed on Amazon.ca as $47.99 Canadian (not an unfair mark-up), with their sale price being a very appealing $33.59. I remember paying $20 Canadian for my Season 1 set at Zellers, cheapest I could find it. Season 2 being double the episodes and sounding like it'll contain just as many extras as Season 1, if not more...and not even close to being double the price? Season 2's cost is looking great to me.

I've never seen ANY North American cartoon as overpriced as the Transformers sets (anime is a different story, lotsa overpriced anime). That was really bad. But I bought them. Watch them release better, cheaper Transformers sets to coincide with the live action film next year (or is it expected in 2007? Can't remember).
Kris - [plekopleko@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 11:48:36 pm EDT from 69.17.169.178

The only Episode Introductions that I've ever seen on videotape or DVD were ones on a couple of Season One tapes of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" that I'd borrowed from the library, with Joss Whedon doing them, and I rather enjoyed them. I suspect that Greg will do much the same. I certainly don't think that he'll do a bad job on the intros.

Thanks for the Awakening: Part One commentary, Stephen. Which reminds me, I'm going to have to start writing the review-rambles that Guandalug suggested I contribute.
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 7:01:31 pm EDT from 4.244.12.120

Good news on the second DVD, and I can't wait to get my copy!

Just for fun, I decided to write my own commentary on the series, starting with the first thirteen episodes of the series. I'm posting them to my LiveJournal, and you can read the first one here:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/stephenrsjr/11148.html

I will say this much, I agree they should have gotten ahold of some of the other actors to be part of the commentary on City of Stone... at least John Rys-Davies and Kath Soucie, since they had major parts to play in it.

Will be interesting to see the cover design too... I'm not knocking the first DVD jacket, but I wish they'd do something more... graphical and striking than just Goliath's signature pose.

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen Sobotka Jr
"It is the way of the Jedi to comprehend bad comedy... in other words, "Feel the Farce."
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 6:47:04 pm EDT from 24.28.10.202

GREAT GREAT NEWS!!!

Sadly, my day started out terribly... I was in a fender bender... (:-\ :,( I broke my middle finger when it slammed into the dashboard, but I'm OK and so is my car... their ok, but their car was a bit damaged, i'm jsut really depressed about it... but enought about me...

Great news about the DVD eh? It stinks that Grweg couldn't have been more involved in the production of the set... Would have liked to see more Commentaries...

One thing I do hope they do is keep the case the same as the first set's case. (As an avid collector of DVDs, I get VERY nit-picky about this kinda thng.) It shouold be a three disc keep case (Like the one M*A*S*H season come in, or the BAck to the Future DVD set.)

$40 US??? Oh-oh, this sounds like it'll be another of those highly-overpriced cartoon DVD sets like My Litlle Pony or transfrmers...

"The Gathering of the Cast and Crew?" Gracie? :P
Battle Beast - [Canada]
8½ days untill I'm standing in the middle of 1313 Harbor Boulevard!
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 4:44:18 pm EDT from 198.53.28.99

"26 episodes over 3 discs means they'll be double-sided, doesn't it?"

Kris> Not necessarily. Afterall, the 1st volume had 13 episodes on 2 discs, and they weren't double-sided.
King Cobra3 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 4:09:43 pm EDT from 4.225.101.87

26 episodes over 3 discs means they'll be double-sided, doesn't it? Ah well, I guess I can live without shiny disc art if it keeps the costs down. Just not a fan of double-sided DVDs is all.

Episode introductions on ALL the episodes? Awesome. I imagine they'll be better than Stan Lee's on the recent Fantastic Four `90s cartoon set (all hyperbolic and empty, though his enthusiasm can be infectious).

I guess a mass-purchase of Season 2 on Amazon.com on December 9th would be the most beneficial? It'd help the franchise more than pre-ordering it, wouldn't it? I guess if you're planning on getting more than one set, you can do both. I'll probably do what I did last year--buy one from the store the day of release, and another from Amazon the same day.
Kris - [plekopleko@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 3:52:11 pm EDT from 69.17.169.178

Faieq> I know I'll be waiting outside Target's (which is where I got Season 1 and now I have to get it again. Grrr...) doors eagerly for them to open up on the big day.
King Cobra3 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 12:32:02 pm EDT from 4.225.101.87

TODD> "(I also hope that I'll be able to properly distinguish Greg, Frank, and Michael's voices from each other, since I had a bit of a difficulty at first for the "Awakening" commentary telling Greg and Frank's voices apart. I had no difficulty, however, telling when it was Keith David speaking; his voice is unmistakable.)"

Todd, just remember that Greg is the loud one with the most to say. Loudest voice in the world ;)
Greg Bishansky
Always bet on stupidity.
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 11:40:52 am EDT from 69.118.108.212

Karakul: I'd also be interested to see if we can get the number of reviews up to 100 before the release date, like last year.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"That is a light switch...of TOTAL DEVASTATION!"
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 9:58:27 am EDT from 69.174.1.148

Great news on the season 2 DVD! Are we planning another mass purchase on the day of the release as with the first DVD? The "Gathering of the cast and crew" featurette sounds intriguing.
Faieq
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 7:18:30 am EDT from 84.13.9.244

HARVESTER - Please don't feed the troll.

Now that we know the release date for the Season Two Part One DVD, I wonder how long it'll be before we get a countdown to it, just as we have one for the Gatherings.

It's oddly appropriate that Greg made that announcement yesterday, particularly the bit about "City of Stone" getting an audio commentary, since yesterday (August 15) was the date that Canmore defeated Macbeth in 1057.

It's a bit of a pity that John Rhys-Davies wasn't able to take part in the "City of Stone" commentary. I'd heard him on the Actors' Commentary for the EE DVD of "The Fellowship of the Ring", and it would have been interesting to hear him comment on his voice actor role as Macbeth in "Gargoyles" (which I strongly suspect he enjoyed far more than his role as Gimli, since he didn't have to wear all that Dwarf make-up to do Macbeth's voice). I wonder if Greg will mention on the commentary about how John initially thought that the treatment of Macbeth and Duncan in the flashbacks was revisionist, until they explained to him that they were basing it on the original history?

(I also hope that I'll be able to properly distinguish Greg, Frank, and Michael's voices from each other, since I had a bit of a difficulty at first for the "Awakening" commentary telling Greg and Frank's voices apart. I had no difficulty, however, telling when it was Keith David speaking; his voice is unmistakable.)
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 7:12:15 am EDT from 4.244.12.243

Heh heh, YES! Season 2 DVD! Wicked!

Only gripe I have is that it would be awesome to have a cast commentary (featuring Bridgette, Jeff, Thom, Keith, Bill, Salli, Ed, and Salli), but maybe ther will happen in Season 2, Volume 2. I can hope, anyway.
King Cobra3 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 3:19:27 am EDT from 4.224.63.57

fitedamann: Well, I'm not Latin American, but I just can't help looking upon Santana's "Abraxas" as a religious experience. I could try to stop liking it, but in the end, I think I'd be violating who I am, which would ultimately remove all meaning from my life. But if it upsets you so much, I'll forsake Santana (as well as BB King and Buddy Guy) and stick with white artists. At least Jethro Tull and the Clash are made up of white people. If they weren't, then I might have to kill myself. But wait. They're both British groups (along with Led Zeppelin, Yes, Genesis, and Pink Floyd), and I'm not British. Shit, this means I have to stick to American artists like the MC5. But I'm not from Michigan. Dammit! This means I can't listen to anything. Okay, lemme go grab some razorblades and fill the bathtub, my life is officially not worth living...

But seriously, moving onto more important things, this is awesome news about the DVD. My amazon.com review will be coming soon, probably on my next day off. I sort of figured that if any episode would get commentary, it would have to be "City of Stone." I too am interested in hearing that, and am also curious as to what the episode introductions might entail. The heat has made me extremely lethargic the last few weeks, so this news does my heart good.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Space is what I need, what I feed on..."
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 12:52:22 am EDT from 69.174.1.148

WOO HOO! Yay for season 2!!!!
The Sadistic Cow
My friends say I should act my age. What's my age again?
posted @ Tue, Aug 16, 2005 12:06:08 am EDT from 69.157.3.3

Dumb question: Should we expect the same advertising budget for Season 2 Volume 1 release as we got for the season 1 release?
dph
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 11:17:56 pm EDT from 63.232.249.70

All I have to say.....THERE IS A GOD!
Siren
Click my name for my newest Gargoyles music video!
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 11:14:17 pm EDT from 67.8.164.95

To clarify...

The "City of Stone" commentaries for all four episodes are by myself, Frank Paur and Michael Reaves. BVHE made the choices, though I did recommend both Frank & Michael. We tried to get Keith, Marina, John or Salli to join us -- but it didn't work out, due to deadlines and availability.

I made a few other suggestions, but BVHE decided to stick with the three of us. (Quitting while they were ahead -- or behind, depending on one's point of view.) ;)
Greg Weisman
Greg Weisman
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 9:54:58 pm EDT from 66.245.233.54

Hey guys!

In addition to the official DVD specs, Amazon just put Volume 1 of Season 2 up for pre-order. I know the fate of future Gargoyles DVDs is now fairly safe, but I'm curious to see how high we can get the ranks again... heh.

Just click my name to go to the Amazon page. ^_^
Karakul - [uthabiti@hotmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 9:18:21 pm EDT from 70.92.173.224

Wow, the DVD news sure is exciting. I'm amazed that with Disney having somewhat hard times (CEO shakeup, uncertain CGI transition, direct-to-video sequel bloat, etc) they still have the creative spirit to do a well-produced DVD in a still unproven field for them (box sets of TV cartoons). Kudos to them.

I'm particularly looking forward to see who Greg wrangles up for the commentaries. I hope he gets a mess of voice actors in there for at least one of the episodes. Does anyone know how much control he gets for the selection? Is anyone even paid?
Lumpmoose - [lumpmoose@karpacrossamerica.com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 8:16:15 pm EDT from 68.117.60.220

Sorry for the double-post, but - thanks for the great news, Greg!

So "City of Stone" is getting a commentary. That's very good news, I'd say. I'm looking forward to hearing it (including, no doubt, a little bit of talk about the contrast between the Macbeth of "Gargoyles" and of history to the Macbeth of Shakespeare).
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 7:25:48 pm EDT from 4.244.12.142

A thought about the Quarrymen as portrayed in the Goliath Chronicles. While its handling of them as all simple thugs and professional bad guys in a monolithic manner was one of the flaws of the third season, at the same time, I can see (in a sense) why they'd take that route.

Imagine how we'd feel if the Quarrymen were mostly made up of folks like the Jogger, Art and Lois, Billy and Susan's mother, the construction worker from "Vendettas", etc. It would be extremely discomfiting to see those people as the actual armed opponents of the gargoyles, degenerating into the same sort of figures as Jackal and Hyena (before they became cyborgs, of course) or the three street thugs. In particular, it would have been very unsettling to see them being led off by the police at the end of "Angels in the Night", whereas in the actual "Angels in the Night", the Quarrymen are all just regular criminals, so it's all right. (Of course, such a thing would probably have made the third season much more complex and dramatic, but I'm talking about how the new production team on "The Goliath Chronicles" would have most likely seen it. My suspicion is that they felt too uncomfortable having law-abiding well-intentioned citizens working for the main antagonist.)

I wonder if that's also why they had the Quarrymen portrayed as being aware of the gargoyles' true nature - a theory of "If they believe that the gargoyles really are evil monsters threatening the city, then that almost justifies the actions that they're taking, whereas if they know the truth and still hate the gargoyles and try to kill them, then we can view them as bad guys without feeling uneasy about doing so."

It's just a theory, but I think that this is what the new production team might well have been thinking when they portrayed the Quarrymen the way that they did.
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 7:21:56 pm EDT from 4.244.12.142

GANG - IT'S OFFICIAL!!!

Buena Vista Home Entertainment has authorized me to reveal the following:

The Gargoyles Season 2 (Volume 1) DVD was announced to the BVHE sales force this past Friday.

Here are the details:

First 26 episodes of Season 2
3-disc DVD set
Available on DVD December 6, 2005
$39.99 SRP US
Bonus Features:
Episode Introductions by Greg Weisman.
Audio Commentaries on "City of Stone" Four-Parter.
The Gathering of the Cast and Crew (featurette).

More info as I get it...
Greg Weisman
Greg Weisman
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 7:21:48 pm EDT from 66.245.233.54

Kris> The thing about a company like Disney is that it's so huge that the left hand may often not even be aware of the right hand. (In fact, I've seen news stories that pretty near prove that.) The highest-ups may guide the general direction of the company, but I'm guessing the people responsible for deciding to close DisneyToons Australia and move direct to video production to cheaper animation houses aren't the same people who pushed for Disney Afternoon shows to be released on DVD or the same people who encouraged Salve Labor to talk with CreatureComics.com about doing a "Gargoyles" comic. I think at just about any time in modern Disney history, there are good and bad decisions being made all the time.
Demonskrye
Having construction done, learned our bathroom's outer wall has no insulation
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 4:18:10 pm EDT from 209.6.250.47

I saw two white kids in shay guavara tees listening to Jimmy Hendrix Jimi Hendrix is not for whitey. It is my music. Why won't you racists stop this oppression and listen to your own music. I refuse to listen to white artists. Why won't you let this lie?
fitedamann
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 3:05:07 pm EDT from 84.65.124.84

*snaps fingers* Dag nabbit. Missed it by <<< THIS MUCH >>>.
Just dropped by to apologize for not being around much lately. Real life is driving me to drink and we're fixing to move here in December (again) and my daughter has the meseals, which is freaking me out more than her. She looks like her brother grabbed a jar of light/pale red paint and just dotted splattered her all over. The good news is, he hasn't gotten it. :)

Well, catch you all on the flip side. :)
Renee
If you make it idiot proof, they will build a better idiot.
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 11:54:05 am EDT from 68.47.20.162

I Think Castaway would be triing to do anything to get the public on his side; Anything he could do without breaking the law. Breaking the law himself would negate all he;s triing to acheive.

I'll betcha if he could have he would have hired the late Richard Kiley for the commercial's voice over ("Spare no expense..."). :P
Battle Beast - [Canada]
9½ days untill I'm standing in the middle of 1313 Harbor Boulevard!
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 10:23:25 am EDT from 198.53.28.99

10th.

This is a left-over idea concerning Castaway and the Quarrymen that I thought I'd mention here. I strongly suspect that Castaway would be doing more anti-gargoyle activities than just the "chase after them with electrified hammers" concept, activities that would be less obviously confrontational (particularly since he wouldn't want the public to perceive the Quarrymen as mere vigilantes), and was speculating about them. In "Angels in the Night" (not canon, of course), we got a shot of an anti-gargoyle billboard that had been put up by him (complete with the inevitable slogan of "Be afraid. Be very afraid."). And I wouldn't be too surprised if he were to be running anti-gargoyle commercials of the Public Service Announcement variety. In fact, I had a vision of a typical anti-gargoyle television commercial (and one particular character's response to it) to start off the week.

Scene is set at night, with a typical New York family out for a stroll in Central Park or down the sidewalk. Suddenly, a few gargoyles swoop down at them, snarling, with eyes blazing. (It would be entertaining if the family were to be portrayed as responding in the typical "overacting mode" as in - "Oh, help! There are horrible gargoyles swooping down at us, snarling, with eyes blazing!" - and the gargoyles being handled through extremely clumsy CGI - but I doubt that Castaway is going to be airing anything that unprofessional.) As the gargoyles surround the New Yorkers, the camera suddenly tilts upwards momentarily to the tree-tops or buildings above, while we hear lots of snarling and gobbling noises below, and when it lowers again, the gargoyles are sitting around a few piles of bones and tattered remains of clothing, rubbing their stomachs and licking their chops contentedly. Followed by a voice-over by either Castaway or a suitably impressive-sounding actor that he's hired, saying "Don't let this happen to you."

My crazy little creativity demon immediately envisions Demona watching that commercial and sneering at it, commenting, "As if we'd ever be desperate enough to let a human get anywhere near our mouths."
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 7:50:08 am EDT from 4.244.12.1

9th!

Jen - Here's to ten years, and the masochism that made it possible. ;)

The Gathering 2006 web site is up, and registration should be fully functional. Updates to other portions of the site will be coming soon.

http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com/g2006/
Patrick
"Life IS pain, Highness. Everyone who says differently is selling something." - Westley, "The Princess Bride"
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 6:47:37 am EDT from 68.170.199.45

8th. My rambling post delayed me.
Kris - [plekopleko@hotmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 5:25:00 am EDT from 69.17.169.178

7th

Is it okay to like the current Disney administration, despite the dismantling of the 2D animation department or whatever? (okay so it's been a while since I read all the articles about that when it was going on relatively recently, but the gist of it is still mostly there in my head--no more 2D fantasy epics from the House of Mouse). 'Cause I'm really lovin' them since they're finally providing me with some childhood cartoon favorites on DVD. Dunno if I'll be getting Rescue Rangers, but Ducktales is a must, Tale Spin is a strong maybe, and Gummi Bears better make it eventually. And hey go easy on Aladdin, Battle Beast. Not all of the episodes were gold, but several of them were (at least at the time, dunno if they'd hold up on a re-watch), and most of the rest were at least decent or mildly entertaining. I only remember hating two or three. I dunno, I'm sort of a big fan of that franchise, so owning the rest of the story (the TV series fits nicely between Return of Jafar and The King of Thieves) feels kinda essential. If they boxed it all together, I'd definitely go for that, since I've held off on getting any of the DVDs so far.

But most important of course is the greenlighting of more Gargoyles. That alone can get me to not care about the studio being run into the ground. Sure it's sad, end of an era and all (a lot of people would claim that that era's been over for at least a decade now), but there'll be other companies to pick up the slack.

I guess Disney/Buena Vista shouldn't get too much credit, at least for the Gargoyles releases. You guys and Greg W kinda did that, as well as many other fans on other sites. And if the "Gargoyles was the TV-on-DVD trial" detail that Greg suggested was mostly the case, then anyone who bought Season 1 on DVD really helped get the rest of Disney's library out as well (whether you care or not, heh. I didn't think I really cared about the rest of the Disney cartoons that much, but now that there're announcements for them--big sappy feelings of nostalgia and all that. And probably brainwashing, I can believe that the effects of their branding us has lasted since then).
Kris - [plekopleko@hotmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 15, 2005 5:24:12 am EDT from 69.17.169.178

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