Wingless> I agree with you, but I think POLITICS should be left out of this CR.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 11:42:48 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

Greg B. - Kinda like "LOSH> Another terrible show off the air. Sorry, but it was just bad"
That's only an opinion. Just like BB's comment was.

I also hate how Michael Moore took advantage of a man with alzhimers. As a person with a mother who has it, I thought that was rather sick of MM to do. Again-that's just MY opinion.
Wingless
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 11:35:38 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

BB> "However, I HATE his politics on guns."

Was there any point in saying this? All it would cause is a fight.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 11:28:57 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

I LOVE The ten Commandments. I watch it Every Easter Saturday. I think Heston was one of the greatest actors the last 50 years. However, I HATE his politics on guns.

I refuse to remember MOSES in that regard. To me, he will always be JUdah Moses Taylor, the guy who parts the red sea and killed a bunch of damd dirty apes.

RIP.

If you haven;;t seen The Ten Commandments, I HIGHLY recommend it; even if you aren't religeous, watch it for movie's sake. It's terrif.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 11:19:07 pm EDT from 75.152.103.64

Actually, Greg wrote Part Two of the season opener; Part One, in which the scene you're talking about appeared, was written by somebody else.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 8:08:35 pm EDT from 4.244.215.14

Antiyonder> If I hadn't seen it myself I would have said fans were reading to much. Though I got to say those simulations of a holographic Supes waxing lyrical about the size of Brainy's heart sure send the old wheels a turning. Heck; the other Legionaries even teased him about it.

"so did you and your buddy save the day or did you and Superman just see a movie this time?"

It's definitely one of those 'I can't believe they got that past the censors' moments. Interestingly that episode was also written by Greg Weisman. I wonder I Greg testing the waters with a mind to Lexington; seeing how much he could get away with in a modern kid's cartoon.
Algernon
"Nobody can say I wasn't a perfect father, do you hear..? Nobody !" - Norman Osborn
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 7:29:28 pm EDT from 86.41.196.37

TDiGUH> I hope Greg still keeps us informed of dates of upcoming comic material. We have the dates (and times) for #9, but not any of the Bad Guys comics. It is nic to be able to add this stuff to the GargWiki...
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 6:03:17 pm EDT from 69.44.6.103

Since I wasn't the only one here to watch Legion, I have to ask. Does Brainiac 5's admirations of Superman come aside as him having a crush? Not bothered by the idea, just didn't take it into consideration.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 4:43:45 pm EDT from 68.118.221.111

LoSH> It was certainly not the best superhero cartoon ever and I never really adored the style, but this was a solid show with good character episodes and an noticeable improvement over time. Never one of my favorites, but there is a lot of junk on TV that really deserves to be called "terrible" (such as "Baby Looney Toons", "Loonatics Unleashed", and any number of generic anime clones of other anime). This show was okay to good, just never great.

Charlton Heston> Like a lot of people I've seen commenting on Mr. Heston's passing around the web, I doubt I would have agreed with the man on much, but I do certainly respect his film work. It's too bad that even the sequels to "Planet of the Apes" seemed to miss the true point of the original film.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 2:04:59 pm EDT from 209.6.248.33

R.I.P. Charlton Heston, 1924-2008. A true American icon.

82 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!" - Taylor, "Planet of the Apes"
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 11:31:27 am EDT from 70.239.1.175

The wedding itself in season 4 was one of my favourite scenes in the whole show. Even though I think they went to slightly greater lengths than they should have just to set up more animosity between Megabyte and Bob. I mean if launching Bob into oblivion didn't make him hate Megabyte, nothing was going to.

The finale was cool, but it was even worse than LOSH's ending. Because they basically said 'hey kids, watch 'The Hunt!' coming soon, to TVs near you!

And then it never came.

Anyway, yeah, I watched Megatron Rising.

<SPOILERS>

I rather enjoyed the first part, the building threat, all the decepticons showing up, and Megatron beating Starscream's face in was rather entertaining. Though Megatron's defeat actually sort of bothered me. His and the other decepticons getting beaten seemed... too easy, for how much trouble every single ONE of them had been giving them since forever.

ANyway, yeah. I thought it was really good.
Aldrius
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 11:22:47 am EDT from 209.90.142.69

Purplegoldfish> LoSH stands for Legion of Superheros, an animated series based on the DC comic of the same name.

It has always found season finale cliffhanger really annoying ever since that old Silver Surfer cartoon that ended with Thanos destroying the universe. Seriously if your show isn't guaranteed another season then just to what Gargoyles did and give it a kind of open ended closure. that way even if you don't get another season your show still has a nice final chapter feel.
Algernon
"Nobody can say I wasn't a perfect father, do you hear..? Nobody !" - Norman Osborn
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 11:01:35 am EDT from 86.41.196.37

Aldrius - I think the Season 4 ending of Reboot was problematic. It took a sacrifice to save the net, but then to turn around to leave Mainframe in a defenseless position. On the other hand, Season 4 gave Megabyte his best scheme of the entire series. One thing did bother me, though. I could swear there was an episode in Season 3 where Matrix used Glitch to find a computer virus in a system. Why couldn't Bob simply do the same thing?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 4:33:44 am EDT from 98.20.211.177

sorry for the double.
This is totally random, but does anyone know of where I could find a picture of Elisa's fairlane? I'de like to use it as a reference for an art project and I can't find a decent picture anywhere
Purplegoldfish - [Skydragonn at aol dot com]
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 3:25:27 am EDT from 69.183.174.126

what is losh? lol.
hmm, am I the only one who doesn't watch the new spiderman show? I tried watching it but I lost interest pretty early on. I wish Greg all the best with it-it's just not my cuppa.
Purplegoldfish - [Skydragonn at aol dot com]
posted @ Sun, Apr 6, 2008 3:14:38 am EDT from 69.183.174.126

LOSH - I never saw every episode, but I enjoyed it for what it was. The only thing that bothered me was the character names - Lightning lad? Bouncing boy? *Cringe*. Then again I can enjoy shows like Digata Defenders and Chaotic as well. It sure beats most of the Disney fare and shows like Johnny Test and Fairly Odd Parents. I can't stand stuff like that.
Wingless
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 11:24:45 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

Gerg B> Fair enough! I suppose you just have higher standards then me. back in my formative years I was exposed to some truly horrendous toons. You want to talk about sub-par writing and voice acting? Check out the some of Marvel's nineties toons, particularly the first seasons of Fantastic Four, Iron Man, the second season of Hulk and that vile abortion that Fox tried to pas of as the Avengers). After enduring this kind of "entertainment", I find it hard to be too judgemental about the LOSHs of this world.

In regards to the writing, I certainly agree that the first season was indeed underwhelming in that department. Lots of formulaic plots that had been overused and cliche when Gargoyles was but a twinkle in Mr. Weisman's eye. "oh no Superman! the spooky villain is bringing our worst fears to life, like dolls and roller coasters!".

That said some of my favourite TV shows have started with crappy first seasons only to later achieve excellence. One example being Star Trek: Deep Space Nine; which for it's first season and a half was your typical Trek "alien of the week" type show before growing into an engaging sci-fi drama, focused strongly on character development and evolving plot-lines.

Somehow, some instinct told me that LOSH had that same kind of potential if allowed to grow and learn from it's own mistakes. Frankly I feel that the second season validated my hunch, The stakes were raised, characters were allowed to grow and even experienced some tragedy. Plus the writers were willing to take some risks and push the envelope a little. Take the "crown of thorns" scene from the first part of season two finally. Whens the last time you saw a kid's show use such visceral biblical imagery.

As for the voice acting. None of them where Keith David to be sure, but they never seemed forced or unnatural to me. Remember the nineties X-Men toon where Cyclops would yammering on about how Apocalypse was about to destroy the earth and still make it sound like they'd just ran out of milk? That my friend is bad voice acting.

Legion of Superheroes? not the greatest cartoon ever made but I think there was potential; guess we'll never know now.

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On a related note, did anyone catch Transformers: Animated's Megatron two parter? I have to say after twenty years; it's nice to finally have a Megatron who wont take any of Starscream's crap.
Algernon
"Nobody can say I wasn't a perfect father, do you hear..? Nobody !" - Norman Osborn
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 10:58:47 pm EDT from 86.41.196.37

Yeah, I am serious.

The writing isn't up to par, the voice acting is pretty mediocre. No, I just did not like it.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 9:25:00 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

Greg B> "LOSH> Another terrible show off the air. Sorry, but it was just bad"

Are you serious? I know the first season was pretty average (though not the worst I've seen by far). But I really think the show really kicked into gear with the second season and I'm confident it would have only improved in it's third season. Heck, it took X-Men: Evolution and The Batman almost as long the get any good. Personally I think it's a tragedy to see LOSH cut down just as it was hitting it's stride.
Algernon
"Nobody can say I wasn't a perfect father, do you hear..? Nobody !" - Norman Osborn
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 8:59:26 pm EDT from 86.41.196.37

I don't think cutting it would've been prudent. I mean they did the animation didn't they? And while it's a bit like season 4 of Reboot's ending, at the very least it gets the imagination working for how it all could have continued.
Aldrius
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 8:26:00 pm EDT from 209.90.142.69

Sorry for the double post, but:

Some of the entries in TDIGUH fall into a third category besides "canon" or "canon-in-training"; the ones that record actual historical events that are connected to the Gargoyles Universe, but happened in the real world as well as in the fictional one. Such as today's entry (Ethelred the Unready marrying Emma of Normandy), and many others (including the Battle of Hastings, Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy assassination, etc.).
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 7:29:13 pm EDT from 4.244.209.244

I think that it might have been wiser for the writers to have left out the "Brainiac taking new shape" scene at the very end, once they found out that there wasn't going to be a Season Three - unless it was intended as an "evil never entirely goes away" ending rather than a set-up for future episodes.

Though "Angels in the Night" had many flaws, at least it didn't end with Castaway escaping at the last moment to continue his war on the clan or a sinister figure, hidden by his armchair, watching the gargoyles being accepted by the crowd on the passenger train and talking about getting ready to launch his own attack on the clan. (Of course, the original ending for "Angels in the Night" might have had a similar effect, had it aired.)
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 7:22:06 pm EDT from 4.244.209.244

Antiyonder-- I cought the LOSH finale, my thoughts were: it didn't suck. Season two was FAR better than season one, prolly because it was darker and had more mature themes. (Greg Weisman writing the second episode of season II didn't hurt either) However I felt that bringing back Duo Damsel/Triplicate Girl's third peice was a mistake, her character was much more interesting because of her loss. It was their attempt at a "Happily ever after" for all of the characters. Then they went and ruined it with that cliffhanger...is there even going to be a Season three?

As for the TDIGUH I believe that Greg has stated that it is Canon-in-training, but nothing is concrete till we see it "On Screen". For Example he implied that Jade and Tourquesa brought their pendants to Avalon with them and then potentially reconsidered after remembering that human magics were not allowed on Avalon.
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 6:37:47 pm EDT from 66.167.64.241

Happy birthday, Incivis.

I'll miss TIGUH, but at the present, it doesn't make sense for Greg Weisman to over it every year for a while. On the other hand, if somebody could set-up a website for easier access to all the events covered in TIGUH, that would be nice. Something along the lines of you enter a date, it pops out events (if any) that occurred in the gargoyles universe on that day.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 5:36:08 pm EDT from 98.20.211.177

Not required, but I'm guessing it's done for fun.

Has Greg specified whether "This Day In The Gargoyle Universe" is canon or canon in training?
Antiyonder
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 2:28:59 pm EDT from 68.118.221.111

do you guys do the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. and away we go on with the show every week?
legion - [scorpio803 at gmail dot com]
my website still isn't up yet, and NO random friedn requests!
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 2:22:53 pm EDT from 69.227.71.229

Happy birthday, Incisivis!
This is turning out to be a birthday week.
Asatira
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 2:15:42 pm EDT from 75.143.83.91

True it was off to a shaky start, but it did improve in the later half just the same.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 1:31:59 pm EDT from 68.118.221.111

LOSH> Another terrible show off the air. Sorry, but it was just bad.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 1:30:51 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

Since there was no new Spider-Man today, I thought I'd ask if anyone here caught the Legion Of Super Heroes Finale today. Another good show down the drain. The cliffhanger ending didn't help. As far as Kell-El (Superman X), his dialogue earlier in the episode earns him a spot on Super Dickery.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 1:14:51 pm EDT from 68.118.221.111

Yes, Spiderman was a re-run
Wingless
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 11:51:13 am EDT from 99.245.254.123

TDIGUH was one of mine favorite things about this site. I'm definitely going miss it.

My DVR didn't record Spider-man again. It believe it was a re-run, is that correct? Thanks.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 11:29:02 am EDT from 70.15.84.29

Just announced - 2 episodes of the Spectacular Spiderman next week starting at 9:30 EDT
Wingless
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 9:33:10 am EDT from 99.245.254.123

Happy birthday, Incisivis!

Greg just posted the last "This Day in the Gargoyles Universe" item; the year's round is complete. I enjoyed the feature - and it certainly enriched the "Gargoyles" timeline. Thanks, Greg!
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 7:27:00 am EDT from 4.244.211.209

Happy B-day to you, Incisivis.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 2:54:40 am EDT from 75.60.221.215

Happy Birthday, to you too, Incivis
Antiyonder
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 11:11:23 pm EDT from 68.118.221.111

Happy Birthday Incisivis :) As Homer Simpson would say, "Lets go out for some frosty chocolate milk shakes."
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
H2O Goliath will woop your ass
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 10:46:44 pm EDT from 69.232.38.67

Happy Birthday, Incivis! Fellow Canuck!
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 10:10:08 pm EDT from 75.152.103.64

Happy Birthday Warcrafter and Incisivis!
Purplegoldfish - [Skydragonn at aol dot com]
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 9:29:30 pm EDT from 69.183.174.126

Oh...if Warcrafter can do it, so can I.

Today is my birthday. In this newest year, I resolve to post more. :)
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream" -- Shirley Jackson
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 6:37:33 pm EDT from 216.36.154.204

Tony : Wow. Does that bring back memories. I had a Pet Rock when I was, what, five? Come to think of it, I think I *still* have it.
Spen
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 6:04:23 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

(joke) I heard one story that this guy got his hands on a piece of Jacob's Pillow and created the Pet Rock. (/joke)
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 1:34:30 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Happy birthday, Warcrafter.
Asatira
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 11:54:29 am EDT from 131.204.221.20

Warcrafter> Happy birthday! ^..^
Kerry (Kth) Boyd - [Kth_dragon at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 8:49:30 am EDT from 216.57.96.1

I was just reading Wikipedia's entry on the Stone of Destiny, and discovered another legend about it. According to this story, Robert the Bruce gave a piece of the Stone of Destiny to an Irish ally as a way of thanking him for his help against the English; the Irish ally took the piece home with him, and it became the Blarney Stone.

I wonder if Shari will include that in her stories to Thailog in #9.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 8:32:00 am EDT from 4.244.212.239

Warcrafter> Happy birthday.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 4:17:45 am EDT from 99.174.172.73

Happy Birthday Warcrafter
Kayote
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 3:11:25 am EDT from 70.119.21.195

Happy Birthday, Warcrafter :)

Mortimer: I honestly did not know he was introduced pre-HOM, so thanks for that nifty little fact (and now I feel compelled to but those classic Disney DVD sets . . . .)
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, Apr 3, 2008 10:52:12 pm EDT from 157.242.192.5

Happy birthday, warcrafter!!
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, Apr 3, 2008 7:23:29 pm EDT from 98.20.243.102

Happy birthday, Warcrafter!
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, Apr 3, 2008 7:22:27 pm EDT from 4.244.215.0

Happy birthday Warcrafter!! I hope it's a good one.

As for me, I'm off to go see James Carville and Mary Matalin speak at my university. This should be...interesting. I won't comment further since I know politics aren't this CR's cup of tea, but personally I am excited.
Rebel
posted @ Thu, Apr 3, 2008 7:21:00 pm EDT from 216.45.251.210

Happy birthday, Warcrafter!
Spen
posted @ Thu, Apr 3, 2008 4:11:22 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

Warcrafter> Happy Birthday. We'll keep a light on for ya.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Thu, Apr 3, 2008 3:11:27 pm EDT from 159.240.11.228

Happy Birthday, Warcrafter.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Apr 3, 2008 2:13:16 pm EDT from 71.115.218.75

Hi everybody. Today is my birthday :) and I thought I should come here and tell you that I miss making more comments on this site and Ill try to visit here more often.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
H2O Goliath will woop your ass
posted @ Thu, Apr 3, 2008 1:50:16 pm EDT from 69.231.203.62

Mickey> "Steamboat Willie" is a bit of a parody of a parody. "Steamboat Bill" is a song about a steamboat captain. "Steamboat Bill Jr." is a Buster Keaton film. The title "Steambost Willie" is a takeoff on "Steamboat Bill Jr."

And Antiyonder is correct. In addition to being Mickey's legendary original name, "Mortimer" was also reused as the name of a character in the short cartoon "Mickey's Rival". Mortimer is much taller and skinnier than either Mickey or Minnie with a proportionately longer snout. Minnie finds his prankster antics very amusing until he ends up accidentally setting her in the sights of an angry bull. Mickey of course saves the day, while Mortimer takes off to save his own hide, not to be seen again until his appearances in "House of Mouse".
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Thu, Apr 3, 2008 8:28:18 am EDT from 209.6.248.33

While we're on the subject of death and how children of Oberon such as Anubis fit in to it, here's something I've always wondered about. Given the philosophy of "all things are true but few are accurate" how do you think the legendary afterlives of various mythologies fit in to the Gargoyles Universe, if at all?
Algernon
"Nobody can say I wasn't a perfect father, do you hear..? Nobody !" - Norman Osborn
posted @ Thu, Apr 3, 2008 8:16:44 am EDT from 149.157.1.184

Animal Instinct - <I'm glad that name changed, but what I still don't get is why Steamboat Willie was called that if it had Mickey in it.> Because Steamboat Willie came out before the version with Mickey Mouse came out.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 11:38:15 pm EDT from 98.20.160.126

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Mortimer appeared in a classic Mickey Mouse short call "Mickey's Rival". Since he was brought up, my favorite Mortimer moments come from the House Of Mouse episode where he pretends to be the critic who reviews the HoM's performance and service.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 11:23:06 pm EDT from 71.115.218.75

I think my favorite part of the Mickey Mouse Works/House of Mouse was the fact that they had a "Mortimer Mouse" character that just an idiot and overall sleezeball.
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 11:00:54 pm EDT from 157.242.210.194

I think they should have stuck with Bugs Bunny's original name: Ephram the Retarded Rabbit.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 10:47:46 pm EDT from 70.15.84.29

Not only was there a Mighty Mouse, but the early version of Mickey Mouse. Mortimer Mouse. I'm glad that name changed, but what I still don't get is why Steamboat Willie was called that if it had Mickey in it.
Animal Instinct
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 10:41:53 pm EDT from 4.90.8.147

Mighty Max? I remember that cartoon! I used to watch that all the time along with Sonic the Hedgehog...

Brings back memories... ;)
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>**)> At school...
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 8:15:14 pm EDT from 67.101.237.11

I'd live, but man I would sure wish I was dead. :) OOOOOOOWWWWWW!
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 6:48:58 pm EDT from 68.164.229.90

So if Anubis is bound and you were at ground zero of a one hundred megaton hydrogen bomb explosion, what would happen to you?
Michael Ejercito - [mejercit at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 6:43:33 pm EDT from 75.142.107.43

Uhh...I feel like nobody is listening to me. Because Anubis is the physical manifestation of death (One of many) binding him binds all death. Kinda like shutting down a cog within Big Ben. If one cog is "bound" all of the other little cogs will stop working, it's not that it needs to be Anubis mind you, that's just who it is at this point in time. However if Big Ben is jammed, sooner or later someone's going to send in a repair man. (AKA, Odin or Osiris or the Grim Reaper or whatever is going to step in and un-bind him) If the Emir were to say Kill Anubis, then death would start up again without him, because the part of death that he represented would have returned to it's proper place, (to fit in with my metephor they would have bought a new cog) . As long as he is alive and bound though, death is imprisoned (They have jammed the current cog) anyway that's how I see it, and it's pretty much what Greg has said on the subject. (Though not in those exact words, more my interpretation of those words.)

That's my 2 cents
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 6:31:45 pm EDT from 68.164.229.90

So much for that theory. I hadn't watched Grief in forever. But I just looked up the spell online. It was: ""By the Scroll of Thoth, by the sacred tanna leaves, By the power of Amon-Ra, I endure and compel you, Come forth from your dark domain, Jackal-god, keeper of the dead; Come forth to do our bidding." I guess the specific use of jackal-god ruins my theory. Oh well!
UncleDeadly
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 5:14:28 pm EDT from 128.114.181.147

"My only guess would be that the spell cast to trap Anubis was meant to trap "Death" and it being an egyptian spell and Anubis being egyptian, it brought both Concept and Child with it."

...and Tony Jay . :)

Speaking of Tony Jay, I wonder if we'll ever get Mighty Max on DVD. What a great show! But nobody seems to remember it.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 4:38:14 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Matt> I recall reading on Ask Greg that there were aprox 400 gargoyles left alive. But now I can't seem to find that. If it was stated there (and is still accurate), than London would be pretty dominate. If it wasn't stated there, than you're totally right and we don't know much about how big it is, just that it is the largest clan we know about.

Sidenote: If they are in fact the most populous clan, that means that animal heads/feet and feathery wings are likely the most common trait amongst all gargoyles. How interesting, especially since it is so different from Scottish Stock, which is what we've seen the most of and what (to me) feels "normal".

On Death: Wow, I hadn't ever thought of it as a member of the third race which came after death, could control death. Then again, I always did have an issue with the idea that death, which is happening all over the world (and the Universe) could be personified as one being who could be trapped at one location. Does only one thing Die in all of existence at a time? If not, how else could Death (Grim reaper, Anubis, etc) be present at that site and be captured anyhow. Although I absolutely love the Storyteller's "Soldier and Death" and other such stories. Greg has also stated that other members of the third race have death powers (I believe it was Odin and Banshee?).

My only guess would be that the spell cast to trap Anubis was meant to trap "Death" and it being an egyptian spell and Anubis being egyptian, it brought both Concept and Child with it.
UncleDeadly
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 4:33:00 pm EDT from 128.114.181.147

Anubis> It's also possible that Anubis only controls the workings of death for a particular geographical area, such as the places where Anubis was known and worshiped. So when he was being hed captive, no one in his particular domain could die, but everywhere else in the world, death went on just fine.

I agree that it's unlikely that any Children of Oberon outright control death; they just have a connection with it and some influence over it. After all, the Children of Oberon haven't existed forever and won't neccesarily live forever, and death must have existed prior to Anubis.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 3:31:00 pm EDT from 209.6.248.33

Todd> Hobie Brown was the black kid trying out for the football team alongside Peter and Harry. For more info see below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prowler_%28comics%29

MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS!
Algernon
"Nobody can say I wasn't a perfect father, do you hear..? Nobody !" - Norman Osborn
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 12:51:59 pm EDT from 149.157.1.184

<< Did no one die, and then the third race showed up and introduced death? >>

Just because a natural process can be influenced by magic doesn't mean it's dependent upon it. The world as we know it could not even exist if nothing living ever died.

The Gathering 2008 Newsletter #6 went out this morning. Link:
http://community.livejournal.com/gargoyle_clan/80109.html

86 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 12:37:13 pm EDT from 24.106.128.24

I really doubt that in 1996, the 196 (plus 25 eggs) of the London Clan represents half or more of the gargoyle population. Sure there are a lot of decimated and small clans (Manhattan, Labyrinth, Mayan) but Ishimura is likely to be a pretty large clan. And New Olympus may be so large that it has the same population issues the London Clan does. And who knows about the Loch Ness, Xanadu and Pukhan Clans.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 10:28:04 am EDT from 70.238.188.8

Rebel--I think that yes there was death in the garg-verse. Anubis, (and to a lesser degree Banshee and Odin) and the other Death-Children are merely the Personification of death. Death manifested into a physical form. Binding Anubis put a kink in the works, but if he and the Death-gods were killed, death would still go on, it just wouldn't have a physical form. The Children are made from magic, and thus are closely tied to natural forces, such as death. When Anubis (And theoretically Osiris, Hades, Hel, Banshee, Grim Reaper, etc) arose they became death incarnate, but their existence isn't neccesary for death to work. But because death has a physicial form now, you can shut down the mechanism (at least temporarily, till Odin or Hades or someone comes to stop you) by imprisoning one of them. Had Anubis remained bound I feel certain that another death god would have come and set him free.
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 9:55:28 am EDT from 68.164.229.90

Who's Hobbie Brown?
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 8:41:55 am EDT from 4.244.215.152

Finally got to see the latest episode of Spectacular Spider-Man so here are my semi organised thoughts...

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Funny thing about me, as much as I like to see superheroes struggling with real life problems, I could never really stand the kind of Dawson Creek High School Drama that so many shows featuring teen superheroes seem hell-bent on ramming down our throats. It's one of the main reasons never really got into X-Men: Evolution and probably why despite seeing a couple of episodes of Smallville and thinking it was kinda okay, I could never maintain any prolonged interest in it. Even Batman Beyond which I did enjoy down to the ground left me kinda cold when they focused to much on that side of Terry's life (beside wasn't grouchy old man Bruce the real star of that show?)

So it has come as pleasant surprise to me to find that I'm greatly enjoying the Midtown centric subplots particularly in how they tend to parallel Pete's adventures as Spidey. It just validates my own belief that weather a character is fifteen or fifty, single or married doesn't mean a damn thing if he doesn't have a quality writer backing him up, but that's a rant for another day.

It seems Harry has taken his dad's advice to heart. Now that he's one of the in-crowd I suspect that he may start drifting away from Peter and Gwen. It's also neat to see said in-crowd being injected with a little much needed depth via Kong and Gloria. On a related note I hope Greg and Co flesh out Flash Thompson's character in the not too distant future otherwise he's going to get old real fast, he's a much more rounded character in the comics beyond just being a stereotypical jock.

You know for such a science wizz, Pete isn't the most observant guy. Poor Gwen is practically throwing herself at the dumb git and he barley realises she's there, funny, funny stuff.

Moving on to the darker end of the Spidey-spectrum we see a lot going on with the rogues' gallery. Sandman is comes across quite nicely here played with great panache by John "bite my shiny metal ass" DiMaggio. The animation on Sandman's transformations is both fluid and creative; I especially liked him morphing his whole body into one giant fist. Speaking of which the Spider-Man vs. Sandman battle's were pretty brutal weren't they? (At least by the standards of a Saturday morning cartoon). I don't think I've seen such cringe inducing action in a mainstream superhero cartoon outside of Bruce Timm's DCAU. Not that I'm complaining mind you, after the weak pallid affairs that the 90's Spidey-toon euphemistically termed "fight scenes" its a welcome change of pace.

Norman is of course in top form, exuding an almost reptilian calm and utter callousness, it's going to be interesting watching him make the leap to cackling madman. Walloping websnappers, is that Emily Osborn? It's a pretty radical departure from Spider-lore but I have faith that Greg wouldn't have made such a drastic change unless he was going somewhere cool with it.

The Big Man has apparently been reading the Super-Villain Handbook as revised by David Xanatos. Using super powered thugs to keep Spidey distracted from his real operations is just the kinda scheme to make old Mr. X proud. I'm interested to see if the super-crooks are supposed to be distracting Spidey from Big Man's general day to day criminal dealing or something more specific.

Also we get our first real taste of Dr. Otto Octavius. This timid and rather meek portrayal is certainly a far cry from the egomaniacal mad scientist we all know and love. I'm guessing at some point Osborn or somebody is going to push him to far at which point he'll just snap and go into "TREMBLE BEFORE THE POWER OF DOCTOR OCTOPUS! BWHAAHAHAHAHA!!!" mode.

Last we come to the little people, those seemingly inconsequential bit players whose 'blink and you'll miss it' screen time belies their hidden potential. One of the many joys of this series for me as a Spidey-fan is wondering which obscure figure of spider-lore Greg and co are going sneak in this week. It's fast getting to the point where I'm going to have to start freeze framing crowd scenes just to see if that tiny blob in the bottom left hand corner is supposed to be Cletus Cassidy (though frankly, a two second walk on cameo is probably more then he deserves). This episode marks the low key debut of Hobbie Brown and judging from what I've heard about the rest of the season we're going to see a lot more of him in the not to distant future.

There is also a couple of nice moments from Tom Wilson's Stan Carter, did anyone else pick up a hint of barely concealed frustration and contempt as he was forced to let Marko and O'Hirn go. Also Carter's comments later in the episode seem to mark him as a Spidey sympathiser, which will be interesting down the road if he follows his comic counterpart

This was yet another solid episode that builds on what came before while laying the groundwork for future stories. I can't wait till this comes out on DVD in the form of a season one box set so I can see the grand tapestry as a whole.

P.S. Did Osborn's female chauffeur remind anyone else of Mercy Graves from Superman TAS? I wonder if that was deliberate?
Algernon
"Nobody can say I wasn't a perfect father, do you hear..? Nobody !" - Norman Osborn
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 8:10:46 am EDT from 149.157.1.180

Jade Griffin> Now I feel really embaraassed. I actuially read that Secret Wars 2 story you mentioned (Even went to the trouble of getting all crossover stories too). Can't believe I forgot about the Beyonder's removal of death.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 4:32:30 am EDT from 71.115.218.75

This whole Anubis/death thing was one thing I'm not crazy about in Gargoyles. I like the overarching message of "Grief", but I don't like how Anubis is evidently so closely tied in with death.

Why should the life and death of humanity (and all life on earth, for that matter...) be dependent on a child of Oberon? Especially if humans apparently were on earth BEFORE the children of Oberon...how'd people die then?

Did no one die, and then the third race showed up and introduced death?

To me it just doesn't make logical sense. And, if children of oberon aren't supposed to interfere in human affairs...well to me it seems like choosing who dies (even if it's at random) is the DEFINITION of interference.
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 4:09:18 am EDT from 216.45.251.210

AntiYonder - <Death> It's a case of be carefull what you wish for. It's like an episode of Aladin where Genie transfers his powers to the parrot. The parrot starts turning things to gold, thinking he was going to help people. Problem was, though, that once gold because commonplace, gold lost its value. What a minute, I just had an interesting question. If "Death" has to have somebody holding its place, shouldn't there by an entity called "Life" that is required to be free in order for things to be born, give birth, allow conception, etc?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 2:37:29 am EDT from 98.20.160.126

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On the whole Lex/Amp/Coco thing, I read the spoilers before the comic, which isn't knew. I like to know the news and the gossip:) But after reading it, I saw no glimmer in anyone's eye, no furtive glances, nor any hint whatsoever on a Lex/Amp thing. As for Amp's reaction to Lex querying on their being mates, I'd say the same thing if someone asked me if I was my brother's wife. Sure, it's different for gargs (Waaaay different) but the principal is likely the same. Or not. I haven't made any judgements. His reaction was strong, sure, and it could very well be the reason why there are only so many eggs (which is statistically close to a healthy number and not too low-- I'm surprised at you, Lex) that it may actually imply that he is of the like-to-like sexual preference. Either is a strong possibility and just conjecture here. And , btw, I like his real name to "Amp". Go, Staghart!
Jade Griffin
"Foooooooood!!!"
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 2:37:06 am EDT from 71.94.79.73

Oh, and on the issue #8, Greg W.? BEST YET!!!
Jade Griffin
"Foooooooood!!!"
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 2:17:52 am EDT from 71.94.79.73

Antiyonder> Actually, as one who adores the personification of Death, I can site several references to the idea of stopping death in its relative tracks:) Although I have not done any true research, it is the topic of several of my favorite books: On A Pale Horse for example, and of course the Terry Pratchett books for Discworld. But also in Marvel comics, way back when, the stupid Beyonder arc had a very good story where a reporter interviewed him and he asked the reporter what could he do to make teh world a better place. Reporter's suggestion was of the like "Get rid of death" so the Beyonder summoned the personification of death and imbued his power into a drink, offered it to her, and in essence killed that Death. Realizing his mistake after a bit, and being confronted by it (yes, ppl were trying to die or were attempting to kill and could not/were not gettin' it), he begged the Beyonder to reverse this. He could not. Someone has to want to take the role that was vacated. The reporter volunteered. It took a bit of the Beyonder's power but the reporter became the new, and 'male', personification of Death. Fascinating. Let me know if you want me to look up what issue and title the comic was under. The Beyonder appeared in teh Secret Wars II saga and wasn't the best Marvel story but that one issue really impressed me. I just like Death tho lol.

Also, in the short lived Jim Hensen series: The Storyteller, my absolute favorite is called something like The Soldier And Death. Man is a bit clever, gets given a magic bag and a fw other things, is able to see Death (and that was one creepy puppet!), and eventually on his own deathbed, traps Death by forcing him in the magic sack that nothing can escape. The man was plagued w/ ppl wanting to die and not being able to kill etc. etc. so he goes and frees Death. Death promptly flees and never comes again for that poor soldier who now only wants to die. So he walks down to Hell and they won't take him so he walks up to Heaven and waits to be let in cuz no one seems to want him in. Melancholy but a cool story anyway. I'm sure I can find more references if you wish. On A Pale Horse has Death being a man who assumes the role after shooting and killing the then current Death. Interesting:)
Jade Griffin
"Foooooooood!!!"
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 2:16:37 am EDT from 71.94.79.73

Happy Birthday Samuel. My step dad also had his birthday today as well.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 1:45:45 am EDT from 71.115.218.75

Since there was a gargoyle parody or two in Freakazoid! I thought you'd all like to know the show is finally coming to DVD-here's they lo-down: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Freakazoid-Season-1-Announcement/9300
WB is also releasing Tiny Toon Adventures-for those that care-it does have Cree Summer and Frank Welker.
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 12:35:26 am EDT from 99.245.254.123

Siren >> You had me fooled...

Next year Siren... Next year... ;)
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>T.T)> I got fooled...
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 12:11:11 am EDT from 72.199.224.230

Happy birthday to me! It's my birthday.

Still haven't gotten number 8, but I'm looking forward to get it.
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 12:05:43 am EDT from 68.34.85.157

Actually, I managed to close down after repeated attempts at closing all windows. Thankfully, I didn't have to shut my web browser.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Apr 2, 2008 12:00:06 am EDT from 98.20.160.126

Thanks for a link to a page that can only be closed through the Task Manager by way of Control-Alt-Delete.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line!" - Vizzini, "The Princess Bride"
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 11:40:14 pm EDT from 76.241.128.49

Nice Siren! I've been rick rolled twice today. Christ.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 10:14:23 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

I'm sure its a hoax, but this place has "insider info" on the next Gargoyles DVD release. But it must be a hoax or bootlegged. Click my name to see for yourself. I think its fake, but the cover still looks cool :(
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 10:10:43 pm EDT from 65.33.45.29

ALGERNON - I've also thought that Xanatos has an Odysseus-like streak to him. (And some post-Homeric versions of Odysseus's story make Sisyphus, rather than Laertes, his father.)
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 7:20:55 pm EDT from 4.244.208.81

Patrick: <Either Fox's shoes are a colossal red herring, or some big reveal is in store for the next issue.>

http://iatiat.ytmnd.com/
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Though I've never understood how God could expect his creatures to pick the one true religion by faith - it strikes me as a sloppy way to run a universe." -Jubal Harshaw ("Stranger In a Strange Land")
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 6:31:56 pm EDT from 71.62.198.251

I haven't really followed Austin Powers, but why wouldn't Greg reference it?
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 6:13:32 pm EDT from 71.115.218.75

In reference to the "Tell me about it" comment that Coco makes; yeah she's not old enough to have gone through it herself, but she was 20 (Equivalent to a 10 year old kid) in 1987 when Una's Generation would have been sequestered for the breeding. She would have seen how, crazy/dangerous/wild the isolated females would have gotten, even if she hadn't been through it herself, she would have seen how the other gargoyles had acted.
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:23:56 pm EDT from 66.167.64.72

I thought the same thing, Patrick. Haha.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:12:24 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

PATRICK> Somehow I doubt Greg would intentionally reference Austin Powers.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 12:40:02 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

** MINOR SPOILERS **

Either Fox's shoes are a colossal red herring, or some big reveal is in store for the next issue.

Nightstone Coffee - I wonder if Thailog's company owning a coffeehouse chain was intended to bring to mind Dr. Evil's empire including Starbucks in the "Austin Powers" movies.

** END SPOILERS **

87 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 12:33:13 pm EDT from 24.106.128.24

Todd> I've always equated Xanatos more with Odysseus myself, cunning, charismatic, amoral yet totally devoted to his family, though lacking a lot of the arrogance that often got Odysseus into trouble. He strikes me as an awful lot like what Odysseus might be like if he were born into the twentieth century.
Algernon
"Nobody can say I wasn't a perfect father, do you hear..? Nobody !" - Norman Osborn
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 11:57:58 am EDT from 149.157.1.180

Hey guys! It's your monthly MGC link drop! *L*

Steampunk Gargoyles got 11 AWESOME entries, so head over and check 'em out, and vote for your favorites. :)
Also the new April topic Prehistoric Gargoyles is open and accepting entries. Remember, it's not all about making the "best" art - if you think you have an awesome idea about garg evoluntion, or have a great gag you think everyone would enjoy, do it up in stickfigures if you want and send it in! All skill levels are allowed and appreciated. ^_^
kess - [< New month! Go vote!]
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 9:05:48 am EDT from 69.245.101.251

Well he did try to enslave the death god, didn't he?

Just the wrong mythology.

Still, very interesting find! I wonder if this shows us what Xanatos' eventual fate may be.
Aldrius
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 9:02:45 am EDT from 216.254.167.230

Another example of "no one can die" that I forgot to mention last night, and this one's a classic (literally). In Greek mythology, Zeus sent either Hades or Thanatos (the god of death), depending on which version of the story you read, after Sisyphus after Sisyphus had reported Zeus's latest philanderings to the father of the young woman whom he was after (at least Sisyphus didn't report it to Hera!). Sisyphus, however, tricked the death-god who'd come for him into trying on a new pair of handcuffs, thereby rendering him helpless. As a result, nobody could die, until Ares (exasperated with how ridiculous battles were becoming under those conditions) freed the death-god, who promptly hauled Sisyphus off to the underworld.

(Even then, Sisyphus managed to wriggle out by having his wife deliberately neglect his funeral rites. He then begged Hades and Persephone to give him permission to go back to the living world to ask her to give him a proper funeral - and didn't come back. At least, not until he finally died from natural causes. That's why they made him push that huge rock up the hill all the time, by the way - to keep him too busy to come up with any more escape plans.)

Come to think of it, Xanatos is of Greek descent, and we know how keen he is on escaping death by becoming immortal, and what a trickster he is. I wonder if Sisyphus was one of his ancestors.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Tue, Apr 1, 2008 7:54:31 am EDT from 4.244.209.247

Male Gargoyle fertility> As mentioned, in most species the male retains fertility throughout their adult life. I don't see why this would be any different in Gargoyles despite thier differences.

Purplegoldfish> Great. Now I can hear the muzak playing in my head as Fox shops for her shoes. Luckily it's not too horrible. Classical. *pauses* Like that part with the violins.
Asia - [h3llskitten at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 11:21:25 pm EDT from 71.241.3.48

The fertility of anything can remain fertile unless a drastic measure has caused the organism to break down. In this case, gargoyles, have a stronger body and mind to overcome some of these measures. Mainly, the really fatal measures to humans will simply cause minor setback to it's fertility.
Animal Instinct
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 10:45:03 pm EDT from 4.90.14.101

Male Gargoyle Fertility > Yeah, I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if they went through some changes following the females' final heat...maybe something on par with a human male's "mid-life crisis". But, I just don't see them ever becoming infertile. It doesn't make sense to shut down sperm production so I think they'd remain fertile their whole lives, just like males in almost every other species on earth (and yeah, I know gargoyles differ from other species in some ways, but I just don't see why THIS would be one of those ways).
Rebel
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 10:00:56 pm EDT from 216.45.251.210

As for that random "fertility" thing about male gargoyles with age...
Since gargoyles DO age and are most likely subject to hormonal changes like humans are... I'm quite sure that males might be subject to "andropause" like men. However andropause doesn't really lead to infertility, it's more like loss of sex drive and weight gain and hot flashes and so on. Anyway, all that to say I doubt there's a reason why a male garg would stop being fertile--- But that's all speculations since females are far different from human females ;p
White
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 8:45:00 pm EDT from 70.82.231.42

Here's my review for #8 *Spoilers*

A good all-around issue. I'm usually more interetested in the stories dealing with the Manhattan happenings, but there was some really interesting stuff in here that I enjoyed.

I love Staghart and Constance. Fun characters-kind of like modern teenage gargoyles. I hope we see more of them after this story concludes. And I like all the little tidbits about the London Clan. I bet their numbers make up at least half the world's gargoyle population-probably more.

It seems almost selfish for them to keep couples from laying a third egg, being such a decimated species. I wonder what Goliath would think of that. I hope the issue is brought up again-could make for some nice drama.

I like the new bit of info on gargoyle biology-that it's hard to keep gargoyles in heat from mating. I've always wondered about that.

I love how Shari's stories sometimes contradict each other. Goes back to Hudson saying "Maybe we shouldn't believe everything we see on television." Not all stories are true-but there's usually some bit of truth in each of them. (Also reminds me of what Goliath says in "Mark of the Panther". I really like how the comic makes me think of happenings from past episodes. I like how all kinds of different myths and legends from around the world are incorporated-and that they're not stated as fact-but we have to make up our own minds about them. And I just love those scenes with Shari and Thailog-they have a strange sort of chemistry that I'm really starting to like.

Arthur and Macbeth-So cool that these two are becoming friends. Trading their strange tales over coffee...Nightstone's coffee, lol! I bet it's WAY overpriced ;)
"All things are true...few things are accurate"-Great line! I've been wondering about Hudson's enigmatic look though-maybe he's thinking about the human/gargoyle relations trouble at home, and humans' thoughts about gargoyles in general, and what it's cost his species.

Fox's shoes-erm, ok hehe. I personally think that it really has nothing to do with the story at all-except as a humorous commentary on the people behind the scenes. While this big battle is going on, the wife of the man responsible for all this mayhem is doing something totally mundane as buying shoes. I can almost hear the Musak in the background of that shoe store lol.

Great stuff-I'm really looking forward to the conclusion of this story
Purplegoldfish - [Skydragonn at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 8:38:57 pm EDT from 69.183.174.126

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bluewyvern> ROFL at "staghag." I was thinking "fag hog" myself, but yours is so much better. ;)
Meg
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 8:09:38 pm EDT from 138.16.28.211

Death takes a holiday > But after Death / Anubis is back on the job, why wouldn't any fatal wounds sustained by Peter Griffin / Goliath, Elisa, Angela, and Bronx instantly do them in?

88 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line!" - Vizzini, "The Princess Bride"
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 7:34:35 pm EDT from 76.241.128.49

Antiyonder> Another example I recall is an episode of Xena, where Death was kidnapped. I don't recall everything about the episode, (other than the writers pushing the Iolus(sp?)/Gabrielle relationship) but I do remember there was this band of thugs or roving warriors who decided to take advantage of this reprieve and reek havoc. Naturally, they keeled over when Death was released.

An interesting take on Death takes a holiday is a chapter of Gaiman's "Endless Nights," where there's an island where the 17-18th century occupants repeat the day although the events ARE different in order to escape Death, but she eventually manages to get past the gate.
Asatira
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 7:30:10 pm EDT from 75.143.83.91

ANTIYONDER - I know they used a similar concept in one of the "Treehouse of Terror" stories on "The Simpsons", where Homer did in the Grim Reaper, so that nobody could die - resulting in such scenes as the local mob gunning down an informer and wondering why he isn't dead.

I also remember reading that in one of the "Mighty Thor" comics for Marvel, Odin at one point killed Hel (the goddess of death) to stop her from killing Thor - with the result that nobody and nothing on Earth (down to insects) could die, until Odin realized how he'd upset the natural order and had to restore Hel to life.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 7:19:49 pm EDT from 4.244.213.163

Another question I was looking to submit, would probably be more appropriate here. Greg has mentioned before in past responses and the FAQs that "If he could do the whole Gargoyles thing over again, one specific change would be that he would have had the Pack shoot and kill Goliath, Elisa, Angela and Bronx in "Grief," to illustrate the point that they couldn't die while Anubis was trapped."

Sound interesting. Now my question which fictional stories if any prior to and after Gargoyles did a similar story idea such as that (character attacked and killed only to remain alive).

Only instant I found was Family Guy where Death/The Grim Reaper is unable to perform his duties, thus preventing further people from dying. Thus one of the main characters decides to tkae advantage of it by doing many things such as jumping off a building, drinking a heavy supply of beer and getting shot.

Any other examples?
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 6:52:08 pm EDT from 71.115.218.75

I wonder, incidentally, why Greg chose March 29 for Dingo's birthday (his most recent revelation at "Ask Greg"). It's probably a date of family significance for him (much like his choices for the dates in Sevarius's documentary about Thailog in "Double Jeopardy"). At least, I couldn't find any significance for it elsewhere (it's not linked, for example, to Henry V, so far as I can tell).
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 6:43:21 pm EDT from 4.244.213.163

SPOILERS

Bluewyvern> Greg has mentioned (in the blurb to Hedgecock on the character design) that Staghart and Constance are the same age as Lex. Therefore they are rookery siblings and have not bred yet. Coco was probably saying "Tell me about it" just from her general idea of the issues with forced isolation. Same with Lex who said "Yikes" even though he has never laid an egg before, obviously.

Anyway, as for the whole Lex-Amp thing. I dunno if Amp is the gargoyle for Lex romantically, but I do feel that Staghart is at least the gargoyle that will cause Lexington to discover his own feelings on his sexuality. My friend Ryan and I were talking and there is a lot of similiarities between the beginning of our friendship and the beginning of the friendship between Lex and Amp with myself in the Lex role and Ryan in the Amp role. Ryan is straight, but my feelings for him caused me realize I am gay.
That is just one possibility, but one I think needs to be considered. Staghart might be straight. I kinda doubt it, but it is possible. He might be Lex's mate, but maybe not. Hard to say at this point. But no matter what, I do think he is going to play a big part in Lex's life.

Hudson> I'm also curious why Hudson wanted question from Arthur and what Hudson's sad face was about after Arthur said "All things are true. Few things are accurate."

END SPOILERS
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 6:36:57 pm EDT from 69.44.6.103

DPH : It's working fine for me.

Blue Wyvern : Happy birthday! What day is it?
Spen
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 6:25:12 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

I was finally able to pick up my copy of #8 yesterday, which made a very fine birthday present. There was only one copy at the shop, and the (unexpectedly nice card stock) cover had a slight crimp in it -- I almost didn't get it, but I didn't want to wait. When I told the guy he should order more, he said he'd mention it to his boss, who didn't really get how popular it was. "I'll say," I said, "it only came out this week and you're already sold out." The answer: "Well, we only ordered two." Grrr...

*SPOILERS*

Not too much to add from what everyone else has said. It was amusing to see how our instincts were right that Stagheart might be Amp, but without Lexington actually naming him. It felt like the answer to a riddle. And I called Coco's name -- that was pretty thrilling. I also was pretty sure Coldstone and Coldfire would show up sooner or later, not far behind Coldsteel.

The London clan is *big*. Wow. It's great to start to meet them. I can't believe that with all our worries about gargoyle population projections, their clan is actually practicing birth control. I also thought it was very interesting to see Lex's concern over hatchings, since we all know he's not going to contribute personally and we thought that might become an issue for him with gargoyle population seemingly so dire. But if the London clan is so strong, maybe it's not such a big worry after all.

I loved that whole scene with him and Amp and Coco in general. I'm sure we've never heard gargoyle mating discussed so frankly. I am convinced that Amp is going to become a love interest/drama for Lex, even if not his eventual mate -- it just seems so clear. I love the reaction at the relationship between Coco and Amp -- she's totally his, ah, "staghag". BFF. I love them both already. Though I found that one line, "tell me about it," slightly curious -- as if Coco's gone through the sequestration personally, which would make her pretty old and not in Lex's generation. She could have just been expressing sympathy, I guess, but it made me wonder. If Amp is Lex's love interest, I would think they were the same generation, and if Lex thought Coco was Amp's mate, they would most likely be the same generation, too. Or is somebody older?

I took the "immortal" line to subtly refer to Shari, rather than Cu Chullain (although it can do double duty). I'm already convinced she's Scheherezade, but this puts a bit of a crimp in my Calliope theory. If she's being compared to immortal *humans*, it's less likely she's a Child of Oberon. Oh, well, immortal Scheherezade is still pretty cool.

Those are all the major reactions that come to mind. Only read it once so far, looking forward to a good re-read...

*SPOILERS*
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 6:09:21 pm EDT from 69.112.108.43

SPOILERS*******


Not certain if this has been touched on already. I got the impression that ColdSteel had no choice about being summoned, that Xanatos pushed a button and his robotic body came. What happens if a similar control is waiting to be used in Coldfire now that she's joined the fight?
Tabby
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 4:57:54 pm EDT from 72.77.244.211

dph> I am.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 4:45:03 pm EDT from 75.60.222.155

Is anybody else having trouble accessing the gargoyle wiki today?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 4:19:49 pm EDT from 98.20.243.247

sorry, last post was mine.
Asatira
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 12:33:04 pm EDT from 131.204.97.9

I don't believe Xanatos expected the gargoyles to help protect Alex, but he took advantage of the aid they did offer when they did. I say this because at this point in time they're still very much at odds with each other, no reason to expect them to come to his aid. The fact they did hinged in part on Goliath's own change in attitude in regards to parenthood (having recently found and bonded with Angela), and the prompting of Titania.
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 12:32:40 pm EDT from 131.204.97.9

thanks!!!
Duros
Duros
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 11:29:52 am EDT from 213.208.25.31

Duros >

Hot Topic carries one. You can order it online or buy it in your local store:

http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/store/product.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302028400&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442173198&bmUID=1206977174888
Rebel
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 11:26:49 am EDT from 216.45.251.210

does anybody know where I can buy gargoyles t-shirts???
I need help! please!
Duros
Duros
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 11:14:19 am EDT from 213.208.25.31

Demonskrye> In the species I've heard of, the males are fertile later in their lives than the females, so it would stand to reason that an older male gargoyle would be able to successfully fertilize a younger female's last egg.
Kerry (Kth) Boyd - [Kth_dragon at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 11:00:53 am EDT from 216.57.96.1

Gargoyle fertility > I doubt very much that male gargoyles become infertile at any point in their adult lives. I would think that they would be fertile from the point when they reach sexual maturity, to the night/day they die.
Rebel
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 10:57:47 am EDT from 216.45.251.210

A few random thoughts:

Do we know when male gargoyles become infertile? In most cases it wouldn't make much difference since they would have no opportunity to father an egg after a females third heat. But we know of at least one case Yama and Sora, where the male gargoyle is one generation older than the female. So will Yama be able to father an egg during Sora's last heat (assuming he's welcomed back into the clan by then), or will he be too old to do so?

MINOR SPOILERS

Spoon> Since the term "hart" is used in any number of places other than the myth of Artemis and Actaeon, I doubt there's any reason to worry that Staghart is due to suffer a similar fate.

SPIDER-SPOILERS

Another really solid episode. I was really impressed with the animation on Sandman's transformation and the story was very good. Nice balance of the more serious character arcs and the fun stuff. And Peter needs a sense that tells him when a girl is hitting on him, as he's clearly deficient in that department. Which is as it should be.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 10:39:48 am EDT from 209.6.248.33

Of course, after what we've seen in the most recent issues of the comic, I think it's safe to say that Xanatos's actions in "Possession" weren't based entirely on gratitude.

I don't know if Xanatos was expecting the gargoyles to show up, either - but, needless to say, he had no objections towards their deciding to help out. As he put it, "Never look a gift gargoyle in the mouth."
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 8:21:12 am EDT from 4.244.215.242

And away we go on with the show! Hopefully......
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
It's silly. It's a silly movie. There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?- George Lucas on Spider-Man 3
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 5:05:03 am EDT from 69.54.209.49

Antiyonder> I think that, while on some level Xanatos suspected the clan may assist him, he was too focused on the matter at hand to really give it much thought.

Though this is just a theory, it's a strong possibility.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 3:43:16 am EDT from 75.60.222.155

TENTH!
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 1:34:12 am EDT from 157.242.219.68

9th~!!
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>®_®)> Caramel Espresso Frappuccino...
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 1:25:53 am EDT from 72.199.221.104

8th

Now there's a question I've have on my mind concerning Xanatos for awhile. The question is if he was expecting Goliath and Clan to confront Oberon in order to save Alex or was their presence a surprise to him as it was to Petros (Of course David would take it in stride)?

I ask only because he showed more gratitude towards them for saving Alex than he did when they helped with Fox. Not that he came across as an ingrate mind you ( imean, he did give up the Eye Of Odin to Goliath).

What I meant by the more gratitude part is how he comments on "trying to repay his debt of gratitude" in a serious tone. Plus the fact that he does them two favors as part of that gratitude. Because, I would think that resolving Coldstone's personality problem would settle that debt. But then I suppose since Alex and Owen took care of that, then he felt he still owed them.

I was looking to submit this to Grgeg later, but thought I'd get some opinions on the topic.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 1:15:25 am EDT from 71.115.218.75

Seventh!
Purplegoldfish - [Skydragonn at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 12:50:11 am EDT from 69.183.174.126

SIXTH!!!
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 12:25:39 am EDT from 75.152.103.64

Fifth
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Though I've never understood how God could expect his creatures to pick the one true religion by faith - it strikes me as a sloppy way to run a universe." -Jubal Harshaw ("Stranger In a Strange Land")
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 12:13:25 am EDT from 71.62.198.251

Fourth!
Spen
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 12:04:02 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

3rd!! **yawns**
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 12:03:08 am EDT from 98.20.146.50

2nd.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 12:01:50 am EDT from 75.60.222.155

first
oneuke
posted @ Mon, Mar 31, 2008 12:00:29 am EDT from 69.3.179.70