Ah, thanks guys.
ESG
posted @ Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:07:56 pm EDT from 50.120.88.234

From Avalon, Part 2:

"The law that cannot be broken can surely be bent." ~ The Archmage

"...this is true." ~ Phoebe
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:30:30 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

>>And even if it does apply to all the Children...They can still work around that. All they need is justification in their own minds. All of Oberon's laws are open to interpretation.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
If you are on the wrong road, progress means.. walking back to the right road; ..the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man~~C.S. Lewis
posted @ Sun, Oct 13, 2013 12:09:51 pm EDT from 24.217.38.192

<<Aren't Goliath's clan supposed to be immune to magic they don't invite?>>

It depends on the magic. There's still Oberon's Law not to interfere with mortals, but a trickster like Puck is good at finding loopholes... especially when he's training Alexander... which Oberon tasked him to do.

Plus, it depends on the spell. I don't recall Goliath's clan inviting themselves to be turned into humans, or Elisa into a gargoyle. He loopholed Demona's request... granted Demona didn't ask for either, her exact words were vague.

A soul transfer does require voluntary participation, though. It's a much more complex spell.

As for how Puck was able to do anything at all.

"You could do more than that, Owen. If you were to transform into Puck and wiggle your nose or something."

.... Yeah, Xanatos was asking for Puck to take action to get the transfer done... and he did.

The only magic Goliath and his clan are immune to is Oberon's own because he declared it as such. I don't think that applies to the rest of the Children.
Greg Bishansky
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Sun, Oct 13, 2013 12:07:42 pm EDT from 67.189.178.253

ESG: Remember Puck casting a spell on Bronx, saying, "Coldstone is not the enemy"? That should answer your question.
D. Taina
"The story is told -- though who can say if it be true.." -Shari
posted @ Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:37:48 am EDT from 24.54.215.246

For fans of Greg Weisman and his note cards watch the first few seconds of the video. He's sporting a Gargoyles shirt, which is awesome. For those who are also Star Wars fans, enjoy this video that has a big reveal at the end.

http://youtu.be/NX1uCXVg9ug
Anthony Tini
posted @ Sat, Oct 12, 2013 6:47:58 pm EDT from 50.29.205.45

There are two things I've been wondering about "Possession." First of all, what was that magic that Puck-as-Goliath used on Lexington while explaining his plan? Aren't Goliath's clan supposed to be immune to magic they don't invite? And secondly, why was Bronx angered by Puck-as-Goliath's presence, but welcoming of Puck-as-Coldstone?
ESG
posted @ Sat, Oct 12, 2013 1:45:25 pm EDT from 50.120.88.234

Demona hates volleyballs as much as she hates humans so obviously that wouldn't happen.
Harlan Phoenix
The enemy is clever. We're smaller but whatever. When we put it together, I'll form the head.
posted @ Fri, Oct 11, 2013 11:34:03 pm EDT from 76.2.67.248

GXB> She paints Goliath's face on a volley ball and proceeds to blame it for all her woes...

*NONE of this was my fault! It was Wilson! Always WILSON!
Algernon
"Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead. They are fast. Faster than you can believe. Don't turn your back, don't look away, and DON'T blink." ~Tenth Doctor.
posted @ Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:35:50 pm EDT from 109.76.130.55

Plus she'd be bored out of her skull.
FTBM
posted @ Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:04:07 pm EDT from 64.120.52.99

Demona, all alone with herself... yeah, that won't go well for her. Who will she blame her problems on?
Greg Bishansky
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:41:31 pm EDT from 67.189.178.253

Even if we posit a human-free Avalon, though, I can't see Demona being all too happy there.

Oh, to be sure, I think she might think she'd be happy there. But Demona thinks a lot of things would make her happy, that most definitely wouldn't. 995 or 1995, she has a lot of growing up to do before she finds any serious self-satisfaction.

Without seriously dealing with her internal issues (in a way that's not likely to happen until 2198 at the earliest), I doubt even her big dream of being Ultimate Mega-Empress of a gargoyle-only planet would make her happy.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Lord I was born a Ramblin' Man..." - The Allman Brothers Band
posted @ Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:14:56 pm EDT from 66.91.223.104

ESG> "Do you think Demona would enjoy living on Avalon? A paradise, cut off from the world of the humans? Putting aside her lust for genocide, of course: say it's 995 Demona."

Hard to say. If it was just Tom as the resident human, maybe, but we've seen her lacking faith in humans that have been friendly towards her (though in the case of the Captain, a lot more understandable). So, it's out of the question that she'd be willing to be among humans who we once hostile towards her.

Besides:
1. In hindsight we see in the comic that had she maintained control of the Grimorum, she would have used it to control the humans in Scotland.

2. I think Brooklyn's line in Clan Building is something to remember when looking at the younger Demona:

"Remember, this is Demona Classic. Tenth century and...

Still the traitor who caused The Wyvern Massacre!"

Infact, I will make that my new comment room signature.
Antiyonder
"Remember, this is Demona Classic. Tenth century and... Still the traitor who caused The Wyvern Massacre!" (Brooklyn reminding himself and the audience that Ancient Scotland Demona isn't a total Angel.)
posted @ Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:18:47 pm EDT from 68.113.7.254

I got the impression from "City of Stone" that deep down, Demona really hates being alone. And she definitely hates humans, even in 994. So whether she had the island all to herself or whether she had to share it with the likes of Katharine and Tom (and possibly the Magus), I don't think she would enjoy it.
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Oct 10, 2013 12:14:08 am EDT from 24.14.51.43

Stand alone.
Harlan Phoenix
The enemy is clever. We're smaller but whatever. When we put it together, I'll form the head.
posted @ Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:30:57 pm EDT from 76.181.3.34

The first run of gargoyle comics that marvel did were they part of the marvel universe or were they stand alone?
Wolf - [megatronwolf at msn dot com]
What would Snake Plissken do?
posted @ Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:14:23 pm EDT from 69.122.134.118

Do you think Demona would enjoy living on Avalon? A paradise, cut off from the world of the humans? Putting aside her lust for genocide, of course: say it's 995 Demona.
ESG
posted @ Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:09:31 pm EDT from 50.52.15.139

I'm with Matt.
Greg Bishansky
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:29:04 pm EDT from 67.189.178.253

Really? You'd bet that?

I can't really see either of them going for any of those things. Together or not.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"
posted @ Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:12:29 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

I bet once they moved back into the castle, Xanatos would ask Goliath to just hang out, maybe go to the gym together, or watch movies.
Brack
posted @ Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:56:04 am EDT from 174.237.49.29

Harlan: Damn it, now I have the irresistible urge to draw that. Look what you made me do!
D. Taina
"The story is told -- though who can say if it be true.." -Shari
posted @ Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:53:52 am EDT from 24.48.255.90

Brack>"Why do they look Goliath? Honestly, I think he has a man crush on him."

There should've been ten solid minutes of Awakening dedicated to Xanatos smelling Goliath's hair.
Harlan Phoenix
The enemy is clever. We're smaller but whatever. When we put it together, I'll form the head.
posted @ Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:54:00 am EDT from 76.181.3.34

I was watching "British Antiques Roadshow" last evening, and the first items they showed on it were a few figurines of "Buddhist lion-dogs" - presumably the same creatures also known as fu-dogs or fu-lions. The people on the show even described them as being guardian figures. And that episode was filmed at a castle in Scotland (Blair Castle, to be precise).
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are great finders
posted @ Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:58:30 am EDT from 108.226.1.5

I'm sure in Xanatos's perfect scenario he would have the gargoyles, the steel clan, the mutates and the pack all under his control. He has backup plans to every backup plan. I'm sure there is a backup plan should the steel clan somehow turn against him.
Why do they look Goliath? Honestly, I think he has a man crush on him.
Brack
posted @ Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:10:26 am EDT from 98.87.102.42

Greg B: "Once they became too difficult to control, then he began considering it."

And that happened at about the same time that he finished building/programming the Steel Clan.
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:17:47 am EDT from 24.14.51.43

The Quarrymen's hammers sure seem like safety measures. I mean, they can explode a statue with one swing! I'm sure there'll be several self-inflicted injuries reported.
ESG
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 9:56:29 pm EDT from 50.52.9.240

Why model the Steel Clan after Goliath? 1) He's the biggest and strongest of the clan, and 2) to potentially frame or blackmail Goliath and the clan. It's typical Xanatos, putting another piece on the board that he can turn to his advantage in several ways, depending how Goliath reacts.

As to Xanatos referring to Goliath as "Magnificent," it's delivered in a way that conveys not only awe at this creature coming to life, but the fruition of a lot of money and effort spent to achieve bringing the Gargoyles out of a thousand-year sleep... maybe even something his future self told him to do, and now he's seeing the results. And boy, doesn't he love it when a plan comes together...
B! - [prplbeedoo at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 7:29:49 pm EDT from 213.93.186.25

No, he was hoping he could have both the gargoyles and the Steel Clan. He didn't build the Steel Clan for the sole purpose of replacing them. Once they became too difficult to control, then he began considering it.
Greg Bishansky
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 6:08:53 pm EDT from 67.189.178.253

He built the Steel Clan to replace the gargoyles as protectors of his castle, since the gargoyles were proving more difficult to control than he anticipated.

As for why he wanted them to look like Goliath... well, I think he just really liked Goliath's appearance, judging by the way he called it "Magnificent!" in Awakening, Part Two.
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 5:54:19 pm EDT from 24.14.51.43

I was looking at the Wiki and 19 years ago today is when the Steel Clan Robots were first activated and used to attack Goliath and his clan.

When do you guys think that Xanatos decided to have these robots built? Was he thinking that just in case the spell wasn't broken it would still be cool to have some metal looking gargoyles perched around the castle just in case he needed to repel an invasion? :)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 2:02:44 pm EDT from 159.240.11.216

The Last (or 10)
Comet
Double, double, toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 9:11:15 am EDT from 80.187.101.11

Beware the curse of the ninth.

Thankfully, I'm not a classical composer.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 8:55:41 am EDT from 137.183.232.24

8
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
If you are on the wrong road, progress means.. walking back to the right road; ..the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man~~C.S. Lewis
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 8:49:05 am EDT from 24.217.38.192

7
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 8:03:31 am EDT from 159.240.11.216

Sixth
Neill - [neillgargoyle(a)gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 6:40:57 am EDT from 95.91.252.244

Fifth!

And yes, I noticed as well. It looks niiiiiiiiiice.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Lord I was born a Ramblin' Man..." - The Allman Brothers Band
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 6:34:50 am EDT from 66.91.223.104

Fourth
SomeGeek
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 4:50:29 am EDT from 69.255.208.193

Third!

(anyone notice that Amazon's sporting a new (updated?) cover for Rain of the Ghosts?
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 12:57:19 am EDT from 70.176.170.14

SECOND!
Matthew
"Shall we their fond pageant see? Lord, what fools these mortals be!"-Puck
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 12:45:17 am EDT from 71.202.8.177

FIRST!
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"
posted @ Mon, Oct 7, 2013 12:06:57 am EDT from 99.92.109.252