Well, that's 7-bit encoding, anyway. I guess I can't complain about that.

I may aim to get something up about "Demona" 4 tomorrow. I was planning to write my...thing...this afternoon, before heading to a well-reviewed production of "Much Ado About Nothing" this evening, but somehow I finished the...thing...and so should be able to collect my thoughts in that time instead.
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Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2025 6:34:14 pm EST from 68.99.93.213

A good long time if I got anything to say about it.

It may have been slightly disloyal to my regular dealer (whose partner allegedly failed to order the issue), but I did wind up shopping around at some of the other local comic shops and finally found "Demona" no. 4 in the back issues. Another fun story and a lot of character development, and if I get time (and especially if the bots need to be shouted down) I might just write up a note or two at some point.

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posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2025 5:49:58 am EST from 59.6.228.195

I reread the last two issues of "Gargoyles Quest" yesterday, and was amused to notice that Thanksgiving in it fell on November 27, the same as this year. (I checked, and it really did fall on that date in 1997, when the story was set, as well.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2025 9:20:31 pm EST from 68.99.93.213

Given the history of Plymouth Rock, at least as much of it as can be somewhat confirmed, it'd raise some interesting questions about just how the Spirit of Destiny comes to lodge in a particular stone. Does the significance or the spirit comes first? The history we have is that the Mayflower's passengers wandered around a bit before settling at Plymouth. Did the Rock draw them to itself, or was the Spirit drawn to the rock by its later veneration? Or maybe there's a little of both involved, with the spirit drawing attention to the Rock and then gaining strength (or something) by the veneration?

Incidentally, the points about Plymouth Rock led me to a bit of casual browsing, which led me to Roger Williams (who proved that not everyone who came to Plymouth was a total sleazeball) and that ultimately led me to Slate Rock in Provincetown, RI, where Williams began what is reported to have been a deeply and mutually respectful friendship with the Narragansett. If I had my way, I'd nominate that over Plymouth as a host of the Spirit of Destiny, but unfortunately, its own accidental breakage came in 1877 when Public Works overdid the dynamite on a project and blew it to smithereens.

I think I've seen some speculation here that the solstices might be the closest the gargoyles would come to holidays: aside from their physical connection to the natural cycles of the earth generally, the summer solstice would mark the beginning of longer active hours, and the winter would mark the end of them. Presumably the equinoxes would be considered similarly. Of modern holidays, Halloween is just a convenient opportunity to go abroad freely. We don't see the discussion on-set, but I can easily imagine Thanksgiving being attractive to Goliath individually as a way of marking clan bonds (and of course Broadway being enthusiastic about dinner).

Beyond that, I'm not sure I can spot any other holidays that would connect with them. Next Valentine's Day for Broadway, perhaps (and that feels like a good backdrop for a story) but more as a lark that Angela gamely puts up with than as a serious holiday celebration.
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posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2025 1:02:45 am EST from 152.32.100.60

I found myself wondering today whether Plymouth Rock might have been another host of the Spirit of Destiny (alongside the various Stones of Destiny, the Rosetta Stone, Gibraltar, Uluru, etc.). A question inspired by rereading a little book I have today about Plymouth Rock, which brought up that we don't have firm proof that the Pilgrims set foot on it upon disembarking from the "Mayflower"; the notion started around 1740 as part of a "Save the Rock" campaign (a wharf was about to be built over it), followed by the rock having several misadventures, including (temporarily) getting broken in two (which reminded me of a couple of the Stone of Destiny's own misadventures as told by Shahrizad).

I still rather like Thanksgiving getting a part (if a background one) in "Gargoyles Quest". It reminds me of something I've brought up here before. Now, I've generally preferred "Gargoyles" to "The Spectacular Spider-Man" and "Young Justice"; I think both of those were well-made, but "Gargoyles" grabs me more, because I grew up far more on legends and medieval history than on Marvel or DC super-heroes, so it resonated with me in a way that the other two series didn't. But "The Spectacular Spider-Man" and "Young Justice" both had something I really liked that "Gargoyles" didn't have (or, more accurately, wasn't as prominent): the cycle of the year and its landmarks (i.e., major holidays). Of course, we might get to see more of that element in the Dynamite "Gargoyles" comics (judging from the solicitation, we'll probably get a glimpse of Christmas in the background of the upcoming Winter Special) - though, of course, the gargoyles would mostly have less reason to celebrate human holidays than the leads of "The Spectacular Spider-Man" and "Young Justice" (who were mostly humans - and the ones who weren't were eager to explore human customs).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2025 7:22:24 pm EST from 68.99.93.213

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

Speaking of Shadows of the Past, checked and it's premiere was on Thanksgiving Day (November 23rd) in 1995.
Antiyonder
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2025 5:37:51 pm EST from 71.95.123.133

A happy Thanksgiving to all!
Matthew the Fedora Guy
You're Gonna Carry That Weight
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2025 2:43:33 pm EST from 184.23.35.150

There is a value in the day. That value is perhaps less in remembering Pilgrims and unmet promises and more in recognizing that there are always good things in the world.

So before I dive in to preparing my own little Thanksgiving dinner, I do want to drop in a note of thanks to everyone here. This is a good and fun place online, clearly not something to be taken for granted and not something that happens by itself.

However you mark it, happy Thanksgiving.
morrand - [morrand276 at gmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2025 11:46:19 am EST from 108.69.72.60

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2025 8:25:38 am EST from 68.99.93.213

I hadn't noticed that detail with the Eye. Good uh...eye, Matt.
I also like the contrast between the names Demona and Angela (kid me did not catch that connection at all). And as I mentioned back when Todd was covering Gargoyles in full, I find it interesting that the names for both of them were given as compliments. Demona as a sign of respect for her battle prowess and Angela as a sign that Katherine and Magus had moved past their prejudices and thus gave them names worthy of their nobility.
Matthew the Fedora Guy
You're Gonna Carry That Weight
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2025 8:46:37 pm EST from 184.23.35.150

MATT - Thanks for spotting that with the Eye. Now I'll have to reread "Demona" #4 myself, and take a closer look at it.

And count me as another person who thinks that "Angela" is a better foil/contrast for "Demona" than "Archangel".
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2025 6:47:46 pm EST from 68.99.93.213

Matt > Great catch with the Eye. It's so obvious once you point it out! And good observations about Coldstone's design. I'll admit that the nature of his makeup completely eluded me initially. Demona's line about "cold stone brought to life" should have been the clue-in, but I guess I took it more...metaphorically? I dunno. It was only when "Legion" explicitly explained it that I had my "oh...huh" moment. And was still kind of confused because he really just looks like flesh-and-blood 10th-century Othello with cyborg parts. Awesome character design, but not so successful at selling the premise.
Craig
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2025 11:00:04 am EST from 69.118.30.106

Spotted something interesting when doing another read of Demona #4 last night: The real Eye of Odin has a golden "tail" that trails off to the right, while the the fake one trails off to the left. You can see exactly when Demona made the switch because the "tail" switches between two panels. Another way of looking at this is that the real Eye is Odin's right, but the fake one appears to be Odin's left eye. Demona and her Antioch smith did a decent job with the forgery, but didn't pay attention to this detail. Neither did most of us, it seems. But I'm glad Frank and/or Greg did! I wonder if there are any implications to the fake Eye being the left one. I know there is symbolism with the right hand being trusted and true and the left hand being sinister and untrustworthy.

OnTheUp&Up2Semantics> I like the name Archangel (and Greg has hinted that another of "The Eggs" may bear that name, but I think Angela is perfect for the character and offers a great contrast to Demona. I'm not sure how Archangel offers a better contrast, to be honest.

Likewise, I don't really understand your issues with Brooksbro or Gabriel's coloring. Could they have had a different coloring? Sure, but they don't. And I think that is okay. As a very general rule, gargoyles (and beasts) physically look like their same sex parent with the coloring of their opposite sex parent. But that is only a rough guideline and we have nearly as many exceptions to that rule as we have examples of it. And I think that is good. Otherwise, two biological brothers or two biological sisters would be identical and that's no good (and not very visually interesting). If Gabriel had been designed with Desdemona's coloring, I would've been fine with it, but he didn't. He got Othello's coloring (though with a bit more of Des's earth tone). He still got his mother's blond hair. I think he looks great and his parentage is fairly clear. If he had been a copy of Othello with Desdemona's coloring, I'm not sure that would've been very good. Angela, more or less, showed us that theme. It would've been redundant with Gabriel. Better to give him a bit of a mix. And if Brookbro had Brooklyn's coloring, they would've looked too similar, in my opinion. As it is, it's clear they are brothers without being copies. Same goes for Lefty and Demona or Hyppolyta, Broadway, and True.

I've never visited the "Fandom!Gargoyles Wiki", so I can't speak for their theories. I base my thoughts on canon, canon-in-training, and my own musings. If you are looking more for thoughts on gargoyle biology based on canon and CIT, I suggest using this site and the GargWiki as a guide.

I will agree with you on Coldstone's design. He is stone, but because the stone coloration isn't too dissimilar from Othello's coloration, we kind of lose that idea visually. The fact that his eye and hair are not stone (for some reasons) does not help matters. If Coldstone had a stone eye and hair and Othello had been some very different color (like orange or whatever), I think the "cold stone brought to life" would've been more clear (and he would've looked more monstrous not unlike the ghost gargoyles in "Shadows of the Past").
I also wish it was more clear that he was made of three different gargoyles, but I know there was not time to design those characters at the time.
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
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OnTheUp&Up2Semantics
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2025 5:58:14 pm EST from 70.173.68.31

*Like a character’s name and small details

You write it, you proofread for any mistakes or a better way you could’ve worded it, you reread it, you preview it, triple reread it, post it, and you still find a typo despite everything… why, man? Why?
OnTheUp&Up2Semantics
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2025 5:42:00 pm EST from 70.173.68.31

Well it’s almost time to say and give thanks... why not say the opposite to shake it out of the system until it’s time? Anyone else have little gripes about a medium that you know won’t ever be changed retconned but will stick kick a little fuss over it? For me it’s things like a character’s name small details. For example, I wish Trunks from Dragon Ball was named “Boxers” - it still fits his family’s naming convention but also can be a subtle nod to the warrior’s lifestyle of his Saiyan heritage (even though there aren’t any alternative spellings of a vegetable that could be a language pun regarding undergarments... at least to where I’ve looked about in)

To steer it back to Gargoyles, one bit I kick up on is Angela’s name. I kinda want her name to be Archangel to contrast Demona/Angel and Angelika. Another would be changing Brooksbro to have a more reddish coloration and Gabriel to have a tanned coloration to give an extra visual hint on their blood relation to Brooklyn and Desdemona/Coldfire respectively as per according to section of how Gargoyle genetic inheritance is speculated to work on the Gargoyles pages of the Fandom!Gargoyles Wiki. Yeah, maybe it might’ve come from a grandparent or maybe it turns out Gargoyles have an extra chromosome allegedly like what Koi/Goldfish have to encourage a spontaneous mutation every off Rookery Generation to spicen up the Clan genepool yadda yadda etc. etc.

One more example from me would be the “fleshy” bits of Coldstone/Othello actually looking more rock-like because when I learned that it was actually the sone-like skin that covers a Gargoyle when in stone sleep, it kinda threw me for a loop.

Good to get that out of my system. What are your guys? Last calls before Thanksgiving!
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posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2025 12:41:41 am EST from 14.39.130.59

There is one "yes" thing for this week - Thanksgiving, which has now become one of the very few holidays to feature in "Gargoyles". I've thought of rereading the last two issues of "Gargoyles Quest" on Thursday (alongside a few other things on Thanksgiving I like to read that day), and wonder how many others here might feel like doing that. (Just as I reread the Double Date story and the Halloween Special from Dynamite on Halloween, a few weeks ago - along with, among other things, a few Carl Barks Donald Duck stories set on Halloween.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2025 8:47:01 pm EST from 68.99.93.213

Third!

It's nice when there's a gap in the schedule that it can be measured in weeks and not months or years.
Phil
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2025 10:43:20 am EST from 50.192.123.171

No bots in the countdown.
No new stories this week.
No First!

Second!
Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2025 9:52:21 am EST from 204.184.178.1

First. And a happy Thanksgiving week ahead.

No sun - no moon!
No morn - no noon -
No dawn - no dusk - no proper time of day -
No sky - no earthly view -
No distance looking blue -
No road - no street - no 't'otherside the way' -
No end to any Row -
No indications where the crescents go -
No top to any steeple -
No recognitions of familiar people -
No courtesies for showing 'em -
No knowing 'em!
No travelling at all - no locomotion,
No inkling of the way - no notion -
'No go' - by land or ocean -
No mail - no post -
No news from any foreign coast -
No Park - no Ring - no afternoon gentility -
No company - no nobility -
No warmth, no cheerfulness, no healthful ease,
No comfortable feel in any member -
No shade, no shine,, no butterflies, no bees,
No fruits, no flowers, no leaves, no birds, -
November!

"No", Thomas Hood
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2025 7:37:20 am EST from 68.99.93.213