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When Demona thought that Macbeth was going to betray her, why didn't she just take her clan and abandon him (or, if she really wanted to make sure he would fall, sabotage Castle Moray's defenses like with what happened to Wyvern)? Why would she work with Canmore, who she hated?
Did she hate Canmore? Back then?
Hi Greg. Got a quick question that I couldn't find in the archives. Where in New York City was Macbeth's home located?
Upper, upper, upper west side... on the water.
Or so I recall. It's been a while.
1)What do you think would have happened if Demona hadn't betrayed Macbeth to Canmore? Do you think her clan would still be around or do you think that due to Demona's nature they were all already living on borrowed time?(I'm still waiting on Clan Buliding Two maybe that will give me some answers)
1. As I've stated many times, I'm just not all that interested in exploring all the various "What if?" hypotheticals. I could come up with my response, but I might as well leave it to your imagination.
Were the present scenes in "City of Stone" the first time MacBeth actually tried to kill Demona? She seemed surprised when he did.
Will we ever see any of their meetings prior to CoS?
No, not the first time, and I don't think she was all that surprised at all. Listen to what she says.
And, given enough opportunities, you'd eventually see everything.
Is Macbeth a Scottish separatist/nationalist?
Nationalist, yes. Separtist, no.
In "High Noon" as Demona transforms in front of MacBeth, there are paintings of women all over the walls. Just artwork he likes or are the subjects more significant to Macbeth?
I'd have to look again.
Gargoyles and Politics
I know that you generally like to keep politics out of this site, which is why I hope that this question isn't too out-of-line. All the same, I'm very interested in the role that politics plays in the "Gargoyles" universe.
What, generally, are Elisa's political views? Does she belong to a particular political party? And does she discuss politics with the Manhattan Clan at all?
For that matter, how politically literate are the various members of the Manhattan Clan, particularly Goliath and Lexington? Do they read any political texts? For that matter, does Hudson ever catch "60 Minutes" or any similar shows on television? How much do Elisa's political views (assuming that she shares them with the Clan at all) color their political viewpoints?
I'd also be greatly interested in any information you would be willing to share regarding the politics of other human characters in the series, most particularly Xanatos, Fox, Matt, Renard, and especially Macbeth. For that matter, what does Demona think of human politics (I expect that I can guess the answer to this one, but still)? :)
If you can't tell, this is coming from a prospective Politics major who to some degree or another views all things through a political lens. If you wish to leave these things up to the viewer then I would completely understand, but any information at all would be tremendously appreciated.
Thank you very much for your time, and I eagerly await the widespread release of the two remaining Trade Paperbacks. I've been trying to spread word of them (and of the DVDs) in the Comments section of Gargoyles-related YouTube videos; every little bit helps, I hope.
Based purely on stereotypes of ethnicity and labor and location, I'd guess Elisa's a democrat.
I don't think politics is something that would attract Lex's attention much. I would think that Hudson, who prefers Celebrity Hockey to 60 Minutes, would feel lost rather quickly in political discussions. Goliath is all about the classics. I don't think Elisa's proselytizing much.
Xanatos seems like a likely Republican. At least fiscally. (Don't really see him or Fox as social conservatives.) Matt must be a Dem. Renard is probably a Republican. Macbeth... I don't think he's an American citizen. Demona... come on.
I've been hesitant about asking this question for a while, in case it turned out to be an idea in disguise, but:
In "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time", when Goliath shouts to Owen "Take us to them [Xanatos, Broadway, and Hudson]!", Owen replies, with a sly smile on his face, "You should know that I can't do that."
Now, Owen/Puck's contract with Xanatos prevents him from using his abilities as Puck in his Owen-role, only permitting him to use his mundane skills. Was his line a subtle foreshadowing-reference to that? He'd certainly be debarred from transporting Goliath, Brooklyn, and Lexington to wherever Xanatos, Broadway, and Hudson were in the magical sense (even though Goliath obviously didn't have that in mind when he made the demand), by the deal he'd made. And it would certainly fit that smile of his, the kind of smile that suggests he knew something that Goliath didn't, and that he knew Goliath didn't know.
I'd love to say yes, and let you think I'm brilliant, but it wasn't really the idea in my head. Owen is saying "You should know that I can't do that..." meaning "You should know that Xanatos isn't behind this particular nefarious plot."
G2008 Radio Play (Chapter IX)
Stone STANDS.
237. NARRATOR
12:18AM. LANTERN OF THE ABBEY. Arthur opens the transport container to look upon the Stone of Destiny. Chapter Nine: Rock of Ages. 1:06AM GMT. Arthur listens to the glowing Stone.
238. STONE
â¦Pointless, Arthur Pendragon, to waste time protecting any particular stoneâ¦
Stone sits.
239. NARRATOR
1:31AM. VICTORIA TOWER. Arthur, Macbeth, Hudson, Lex, Amp, Griff, Coco, Coldstone and Coldfire confer.
240. ARTHUR
Perhaps⦠perhaps this is all unnecessary. I donât think we need to guard the stone.
Macbeth, Arthur, Hudson, Lexington, Amp, Coco, Griff, Coldstone & Coldfire sit. Coldsteel & Coyote STAND.
241. NARRATOR
NOVEMBER 15, 6:16AM. LEITH. Coyote and Coldsteel stand side-by-side inside a warehouse.
242. COYOTE
No, I am not programmed for free willâ¦
243. COLDSTEEL
Pity. You have potentialâ¦
COLDSTREAM GUARD, Macbeth, Xanatos, Coldstone & Coldfire STAND.
244. NARRATOR
NOVEMBER 15, 10:02AM. A Coldstream Guard holds up a hand to stop a transport convoy from driving onto Coldstream Bridge.
245. COLDSTREAM GUARD
Get the bomb unit! Now!!
246. MACBETH
Macbeth to Coldstone: convoyâs stopped, and Xanatos is here.
247. XANATOS
Well, itâs a momentous occasion⦠and such a lovely dayâ¦
248. MACBETH
Safe to say heâs up to something.
249. COLDSTONE
Yes, safe to say.
250. NARRATOR
Coldstone and Coldfire intercept Coldsteel and Coyote heading for the Bridge.
251. COLDFIRE
Hold, brother!
252. COLDSTEEL
Hold, sister!
253. NARRATOR
Coldsteelâs tentacles grab Coldfire, forcing her arms up so that she nearly FRIES Coldstone.
254. COLDSTEEL
As you see, Iâve had time to mend my ways. Well, my appendagesâ¦
255. COLDSTONE
Release her! <pain cry>
256. NARRATOR
Coldstoneâs back is raked by Coyoteâs buzzsaw-arm.
257. COLDSTEEL
Now that weâre machines, donât you love these exhilarating daytime battlesâ¦? No nasty organic gargoyles to even the oddsâ¦
258. NARRATOR
Coldfire HEAD BUTTS Coldsteel violently. His tentacles release her.
259. COLDFIRE
Consider the odds evened.
260. COLDSTEEL
A t-t-temporary s-s-setbackâ¦
261. COLDFIRE
Then letâs make it permanent.
262. COYOTE
Out of Davidâs respect for Goliath, I am programmed to inflict only as much damage as necessary to reach our objective. But I define the parameters of ânecessaryâ.
263. COLDSTONE
Define this.
264. NARRATOR
Coldstoneâs fist SHATTERS the half-Xanatos/half-robot skull image on Coyoteâs screen. Coldstone shoves his forearm cannon down Coyoteâs âthroatâ and fires. Coyote EXPLODES! The dented Coldsteel watches the wreckage of Coyote fall toward the RIVER TWEED below.
265. COLDSTEEL
P-p-pity. He had p-p-potentialâ¦
266. NARRATOR
Coldsteel POWER-DIVES down into the river. Coldstone follows but can find no sign of Coldsteel.
Coyote & Coldsteel sit.
267. NARRATOR
10:12AM GMT. COLDSTREAM BRIDGE. Xanatos stands between Macbeth and Arthur. A Marching Band plays. Xanatos presses a small one-button remote. Inside the Land Rover, the Stoneâs metal transport container is strapped to the floor of the cargo space â" which FLIPS over, so that the real container is replaced by a DUPLICATE (with a duplicate stone inside).
268. COLDSTREAM GUARD
Hold it down! The Bomb Squadâs at work!
269. NARRATOR
10:38AM GMT. The Guard signals the convoy forward.
270. COLDSTREAM GUARD
Right, weâre clear. Not a bomb. Just an empty shoebox.
271. COLDSTONE
Coldstone to Macbeth. Weâve lost Coldsteel.
272. MACBETH
Just stay on the alertâ¦
273. COLDSTREAM GUARD
Letâs go! Weâre behind schedule!
274. MACBETH
The Stoneâs on the move again.
Coldstream Guard, Macbeth, Xanatos, Coldfire & Coldstone sit. Thailog & Shari STAND.
275. NARRATOR
NOVEMBER 15, 5:43AM EST. NIGHTSTONE UNLIMITED.
276. THAILOG
Check.
277. SHARI
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" that on a clear Christmas night, a band of Scottish patriots broke into Westminster Abbey to steal the Stone and in the process broke it in two!
Thailog & Shari sit. Arthur & Macbeth STAND.
278. NARRATOR
NOVEMBER 15, 12:00PM GMT. EDINBURGH CASTLE.
279. ARTHUR
Well?
280. MACBETH
The Stoneâs back where it belongs! Well, it belongs in Scone, but at least itâs back in Scotland.
Macbeth & Arthur sit. Stone & Xanatos STAND.
281. NARRATOR
A land rover from the convoy drives past Macbeth and Arthur. 12:36PM. LEITH. The Land Rover pulls into a non-descript warehouse and stops in front of a smiling Xanatos. 1:06PM. Xanatos listens to the glowing Stone.
282. STONE
â¦Pointless, David Xanatos, to substitute yet another stone to fool the Illuminatiâ¦
Stone sits. Coldsteel STANDS.
283. NARRATOR
2:23PM. Coldsteel dumps pieces of Coyote shrapnel on the floor.
284. COLDSTEEL
Thereâs whatâs left of your boy⦠and hereâs your rock.
285. NARRATOR
Coldsteel tosses the Coyote Diamond to Xanatos.
286. XANATOS
Oh, Iâm just its minder.
287. COLDSTEEL
I believe that completes our bargainâ¦
288. XANATOS
Indeed. Consider your tracking device deactivated.
289. COLDSTEEL
Pleasure doing business with you.
Coldsteel sits. FLEUR STANDS.
290. NARRATOR
3:59PM.
291. XANATOS
Thirty-six.
292. FLEUR
Three. <pause> Any problems?
293. XANATOS
Only finding a duplicate on such short notice.
294. NARRATOR
4:04PM. Behind the wheel of the Land Rover, Fleur drives through Leith. Fog rises, until the street is barely visible. The fog forms into Castle Carbonek. The Land Rover drives across the drawbridge into a large cobblestone courtyard.
DUVAL STANDS.
295. DUVAL
Finally. Two.
296. FLEUR
Bugger off.
297. DUVAL
I still outrank you, milady. I wonât tolerateâ"
PEREDUR STANDS.
298. PEREDUR
Couldnât you both try to get along? Since you are, after all, the two people I love most in this world?
299. FLEUR
I brought the Stone.
Fleur, Duval & Peredur sit. Macbeth, Griff, Amp, LUNETTE, Coldstone & Hudson STAND.
300. NARRATOR
NOVEMBER 15, 8:13PM. KNIGHTâS SPUR.
301. MACBETH
I know it doesnât matter, but Iâm glad the Stoneâs back in Scotland.
302. GRIFF
You lot should stay a while. Get to know the clanâ¦
303. AMP
Yeah, mates, stay!
304. LUNETTE
Please!
305. COLDSTONE
But Coldsteel is still out thereâ¦
306. HUDSON
Aye, lad, but itâs a mighty big world, and even the banished and the badduns eventually return to the clan.
Macbeth, Griff, Amp, Lunette, Coldstone & Hudson sit. Stone, Peredur & GRAIL STAND.
307. NARRATOR
NOVEMBER 16, 1:06AM. CASTLE CARBONEK. A frowning Peredur listens to the glowing stone.
308. STONE
â¦Pointless, Peredur fab Ragnal, to have gone to such extremes merely to possess⦠a rock.
309. NARRATOR
On APRIL 11, 1951, 1:07AM at ARBROATH ABBEY, on NOVEMBER 15, 1:07PM in a warehouse in LEITH, on NOVEMBER 15, 1:07AM in the LANTERN OF THE ABBEY, and on NOVEMBER 16, 1:07AM inside CASTLE CARBONEK, Macbeth, Xanatos, Arthur and Peredur listen to the glowing Stone of Destiny.
310. STONE
Do you think the Spirit of Destiny can be contained in one vessel? I am the Fatal Stone. The Lia Fáil. The Stone of Bethel and Jerusalem, of Egypt, Samothrace and Portugal⦠The Stone at Tara and of Mora, at Iona and of Scone, in London and in Edinburgh⦠I am the Blarney Stone, the Coronation Stone, the Hero Stone⦠I am the Pillar Stone, the Stone of the Sword, the Stone of the Waters, Clach-na-Cinneamhain⦠The Tanist Stone, the Philosopherâs Stone, the Standing Stone, the Cornerstone⦠The Foundation Stone, the Megalith Dance, the Burden of Sisyphus⦠I am the Rock of Gibraltar, the Pillar of Hercules, Uluru, Clach Sgà in⦠Jacobâs Pillow, the Rosetta Stone, the Rune Stone, Sire of the Wyrd⦠I AM THE MANTLE OF FATE⦠I AM THE STONE OF DESTINY⦠I AM THE ROCK OF AGES! Do not dream of possessing me, mortal.
311. NARRATOR
NOVEMBER 16, 1:07AM. CASTLE CARBONEK. Behind Peredur, Fleur listens from the doorway.
312. STONE
Besides, Peredur, donât you have more important matters of concern⦠now that your Master has awakened?
313. PEREDUR
What?! King Arthur cannot be awake?!
314. STONE
Awake and returned. I have twice conversed with him.
315. PEREDUR
But we did not expect him for another two hundred years! Everything we planned--
316. STONE
Plans change.
317. PEREDUR
I must contact the Upper Echelons immediately!
318. NARRATOR
Peredur exits. Fleur is no longer in the doorway. The Stone is left alone with the Holy Grail.
319. STONE
Hey.
320. GRAIL
Hey.
Peredur, Stone & Grail sit. Thailog & Shari STAND.
321. NARRATOR
NOVEMBER 16, 5:44AM EST. NIGHTSTONE UNLIMITED.
322. THAILOG
Checkmate.
323. SHARI
Very good. Should I continue?
324. THAILOG
Please.
325. SHARI
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" that the Stone was repaired and recovered. Some say a replica was reinstalled at Westminster; others disagree. Either way, the Stone remained undisturbed until yesterday, when it was transported to Edinburgh without incidentâ¦
326. THAILOG
And thatâs all you know of the Stone of Destiny?
327. SHARI
Well, one last story is told--
328. NARRATOR
As the sun sets, Owen Burnett and Macbeth wait for Goliath to wakeâ¦
329. SHARI
--Though who can say if it be true?
Thailog & Shari sit.
THE END
G2008 Radio Play (Chapter VIII)
1. NARRATOR
Meanwhile, on Victoria Towerâ¦
Lexington, Amp, Coco & Griff STAND.
2. LEXINGTON
So how big is your clan?
3. AMP
One hundred ninety-six gargoyles, ranging in age from Old Pog to little Lunette and her rookery sibs.
4. LEXINGTON
And are there eggs?
5. AMP
Twenty-five.
6. LEXINGTON
So fewâ¦
7. COCO
We donât dare outgrow Knightâs Spur, so to keep our numbers manageable, mated couples are allowed only two eggs across their lifespans instead of three.
8. LEXINGTON
How exactly--
9. COCO
Enforced isolation during the femaleâs final heat.
10. LEXINGTON
Yikes.
11. COCO
Tell me about it.
12. LEXINGTON
And are you two mates?
13. AMP
Us?!! God, no!!
14. COCO
<laughs>
15. AMP
Donât get me wrong. Cocoâs my best mate.
16. COCO
But âmatesâ? Please.
17. LEXINGTON
Okay, new topic⦠I didnât see any beastsâ¦
18. GRIFF
Because we have none.
Hudson, Macbeth & Arthur STAND.
19. NARRATOR
NOVEMBER 15, 12:00AM. Victoria Tower. Hudson joins the others.
20. HUDSON
Any signs of life?
21. LEXINGTON
Nah. Quiet, bordering on dull.
Coldsteel & Coyote STAND.
22. COLDSTEEL
I believe we can rectify that and still display no signs of life.
23. NARRATOR
Coldsteel, Coyote, a Steel Clan Robot and an Iron Clan Robot attack.
24. HUDSON
Take to the sky, lads and lassie! Coldsteel is mine!!
25. COLDSTEEL
Well, well, look whoâs biting off more than old gums can chew?
26. HUDSON
Brave words for a metal ghost!
27. COLDSTEEL
Bring it on, you old horned goat!
28. NARRATOR
Chapter Eight: Rock & Roll. Coyote blasts at Amp, whoâs knocked to safety by Lex.
29. LEXINGTON
Amp! Look out!
30. NARRATOR
Griff and Coco battle the Iron Clan and Steel Clan robots. Macbeth and Arthur watch from below.
31. GRIFF
Why do these two look like Goliath?
32. LEXINGTON
Long story.
33. MACBETH
Thatâs a Xanatos âbot!
34. ARTHUR
If you say so.
Arthur sits.
35. MACBETH
He must be after the Stone! Wants it for his collection, I imagine. But I donât see him up there. The automatons may be a mere diversion. Best stay on the alert⦠Pendragonâ¦?
36. NARRATOR
But Pendragon is gone. Coyote blasts at Lex & Amp.
37. COYOTE
I am programmed to terminate only if necessary. Abandon this airspace, and you will not be harmed.
38. LEXINGTON
Dream on, you electric sheep! Weâre not going anywhere âtil we know exactly what Xanatos and Fox are up to!
39. COYOTE
Pityâ¦
40. LEXINGTON
<pain cry>
41. NARRATOR
Coyote shocks Lex unconscious, but Amp catches him. Coco, meanwhile, sees Griff blast the arms off the Iron Clan Robot with a lightning gun.
42. COCO
Delimbification!! I like it!
43. GRIFF
Right-o! Weâll get Macbeth to issue these beauties to the entire clan!
44. COCO
Like I need the gun.
45. NARRATOR
Coco cloaks her wings and tucks her knees to become a big gargoylean cannonball. The Steel Clan robot gains; she slams feet first into its chest, digs her talons in and RIPS its arms out.
46. COCO
<roar>
47. COLDSTEEL
Your hatchlings seem to think they invented the joys of dismemberment â" but I wonder how theyâd take to the real thing?
48. NARRATOR
One of Coldsteelâs tentacles yanks the sword from Hudsonâs grasp. The other tentacles wrap around his arm to rip it from its socket.
49. HUDSON
<pain roar>
50. NARRATOR
Suddenly, fire from above melts the tentacles.
COLDSTONE & Coldfire STAND.
51. COLDSTONE
You never did learn to respect your elders. Did you, brother?
52. AMP
Anyone order up the kitchen sink?
53. COLDSTEEL
Isnât this turning into quite the reunion?
Arthur STANDS.
54. NARRATOR
12:12AM. WESTMINSTER ABBEY. Arthur takes out two guards.
55. ARTHUR
Apologies.
56. NARRATOR
Standing in front of the container holding the Stone, Arthur carefully places his crown on his head. Meanwhileâ¦
57. LEXINGTON
<recovery moan> Amp⦠Whatâd I miss? Never mind. I get the gist. Follow my lead!
58. NARRATOR
Lex and Amp use their heat signatures to lure the Iron and Steel Clan Robots awayâ¦
59. COCO
Mate, you nicked my shinyâ¦
60. AMP
Sorry, Cocoâ¦
61. NARRATOR
â¦and into the path of Coyoteâs laser blasts. The Iron and Steel Clan robots explode. This distracts Coldsteel, allowing Hudson to recover his sword by ripping Coldsteelâs last remaining tentacle from its socket.
62. COLDSTEEL
<pain cry>
63. COLDFIRE
Feeling a bit outnumbered, brother?
64. HUDSON
Outnumbered and overmatched!
65. COLDSTEEL
Yes, I wasnât expecting all the companyâ¦
66. NARRATOR
Coldsteel drives Hudson back by generating an electric fieldâ¦
67. COLDSTEEL
Though Iâm far from shocked by the development. Coyote, cover our departure. Tomorrow is another day.
68. NARRATOR
Joining Coyote, Coldsteel rockets between a surprised Coldstone and Coldfire, who are forced apart by his e-field. The gargoyles pursue, but Coyote generates a bright light that whites out the night sky.
Coldsteel & Coyote SIT.
Tomorrow, Chapter IX...
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