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Maria writes...
Another silly Question from Silly Maria: ^_^
Why is 'adopting' for Goliath and Elisa more convenient?
I obviously have a very different thinking pattern. I guess I feel that if someone really loved someone else they would be willing to make some sort of change. So that's why I find it hard to believe that Elisa or Goliath can't make a magical change or something. In my mind, just because you change your form doesn't necessarily mean you are changing who you are. It can change a PART of who you are, but it doesn't change everything about you. You are who you are inside. And that includes your SOUL. Your soul is who you are. That's why we are able to differentiate between right and wrong because GOD gave us that gift. We just abuse it sometimes or ignore it, because we are down here on earth to learn. And from circumstance and learning different behaviors, we sometimes become what we were not in the beginning.
So, why would it be so inconvienient? (Bad spelling. . . :P) I mean, I am probably WAY off base. But that's just the way I feel . . . if that's all right.
I guess the problem for us Goliath and Elisa fans is we REALLY want Goliath and Elisa to have a child. Yet, contradictorally, we understand that ethnically, it would be impossible. And yet we hope for a miracle. I guess in my frame of mind, seeing them raise a family of their own would be like some kind of resolution. Strange, isn't it?
Anyway, enough of my rediculous ramblings. I probably don't make any sense - though I try to. It's just hard sometimes to put my thoughts into words. And they don't always come out the way I want them too. So for that I apologize. A hard life has let my communication skills go to par. ^_^!
Well, if that wasn't too - ridiculous - I'll take off now. TTFn. Ta Ta For Now!! :)
Greg responds...
There's nothing wrong with the way you feel.
But it's not the way I feel. I am a secular, at times Pagan, Jew. And yet, I would not convert to another religion for anyone. Not for "love", certainly. If my "love" couldn't accept me for who I am, why would I want her? Most of my life, I dated non-Jews. It's theoretically possible that I might have married one. But I still would not have converted. As it turned out, I did marry a Jew who "practices" the religion more than I do. I haven't gotten "more Jewish" because of her. I've fundamentally stayed the same. And yet, being Jewish is part of who I am. Part of what made me who I am. Same with being short. Same with being nocturnal. Same with being a guy. A heterosexual. A storyteller. I can't change any of these things (or a bunch of other things) without fundamentally changing my identity. Who I am. Who I want to be. I'm not talking about changing breakfast cereals. I'm talking about fundamental factors to my identity in THIS LIFE. Maybe I was someone entirely different in another life, and maybe my "SOUL" is an unchanging light that shines through the prism of each new life. But the prism matters to me. And I think it matters to Goliath and Elisa too. And by the way, I don't see why ADOPTION is any less legitimate a way to share their love with a child than spitting a kid from one's combined loins.
But did I use the word "convenient"? If I did, what was the context? Because the decision was not based on convenience.
Emmlei writes...
original post and reply:Emmlei writes...
ok, i vaguely recall a while back a few questions as to Elisa and Goliath basically raising a child together. a bunch of questions tended to whether it was biological, and if it came about through magic or science. just to get this off my mind, what about adoption?
Greg responds...
What about it?
repost: would adoption be more likely than having a biological child (even if it's through magic or science)?
Greg responds...
It's certainly more conventional.
Emmlei writes...
ok, i vaguely recall a while back a few questions as to Elisa and Goliath basically raising a child together. a bunch of questions tended to whether it was biological, and if it came about through magic or science. just to get this off my mind, what about adoption?
Greg responds...
What about it?
Ambrosia writes...
Pointless question:
Did Elisa ask to be assigned a new gun after Deadly Force? I know I would personally feel uncomfortable carrying around a gun that I had been shot with. I don't know if she thinks or cares about this or if it's an issue at all with her... it just seems kind of creepy to me.
Thank you!
Greg responds...
Elisa goes through so many guns in our series, it's almost funny. So I doubt she had any particular attachment to that one.
DrFaust writes...
Hi, Greg.
While explaining E&G's burgeoning romance, you said this about the "double date": "She would accept a Halloween invitation to go out with either Morgan or Jason."
I have a strange compulsion to go "eww." Morgan? I've always gotten a father-figure vibe from him for some reason. It's not that he's older than Elisa (he is, isn't he?), just that Morgan always struck me as having a more paternal attitude towards Elisa.
Have I completely misread the situation?
Greg responds...
I think you have a bit. Morgan is older than Elisa, but he's not, for example, as old as her father or anything like that. I think Morgan is one of these classic "nice guys" who tries to make a connection as a friend first. Normally, I think that might have worked on Elisa long-term. But Elisa has a tendency to fall for the big, stunning, tragic types like Goliath and Jason. And Morgan and Elisa met only hours before she met Goliath. Frankly, the guy never stood a chance.
Tana writes...
You Asked:
"Does anyone know if "Maza" means "iron" in any Native American language or dialect?"
According to my book of names (it's got like 20,000 names and their meanings, which is totally cool, especially the Athurian names) Maza blaska, which is a Dakota name means "flat iron." So if it's one of those languages where the adjective comes after the subject, then Maza does infact mean Iron in Dakota. Which interestingly enough adds more irony since Dakota was an early choice for Demona's name. ^_^
And you know that J.R.R. Tolkien claimed that all of his novels were fact...you seen to have the same symptom with the Gargoyles.
Greg responds...
I'm not claiming they're fact so much as acknowledging that sometimes storytelling on this show just seems to click with history, existing legend and with dramatic necessity. It's a rare feeling, and I'm humbled by it. All I'm saying is it sometimes feels like the stories are true somehow somewhere, and all I'm doing is (imperfectly) tapping into them.
But I'm not actually delusional.
Aris Katsaris writes...
Okay, what would have the backstory been for Elisa if she had been born in Hong Kong during the Industrial Revolution? :-)
hey- it's you who first mentioned this... Be imaginative. :-)
Greg responds...
Uh...
Well, I'll have to be imaginative, considering I've done no research on Hong Kong or the Industrial Revolution. I don't even know when the Industrial Revolution hit Hong Kong.
But let's figure she wasn't a cop. Or African-Native-American. Also her name wasn't Elisa Maza.
But let's say her father was a cop. Maybe British. Her mother was Chinese. That makes her a bit of an outcast (I think) in Hong Kong society. By necessity that has made her strong. (The alternative was to make her weak, and neither of her parents wanted that.) So for a woman of that time and place, she is atypically independent. She has not married. Her parents married for love, and they will not force either of their daughters or their son to do otherwise. And she has not met anyone who wants a mixed race girl (no matter how beautiful) who isn't anyone's definition of obedient.
Finally, her parents decide to emigrate to the U.S., hoping that there will be more tolerance in the fabled land of democracy. That hope doesn't bare much fruit, but it puts our heroine in New York -- the eventual home of the Gargoyles.
Which would be great, except that no one said that Xanatos had changed backstories. So by the time he brings Wyvern to Manhattan in 1996, our proto-Elisa would be long dead.
(Now wasn't that fun.)
Aris Katsaris writes...
Concerning the whole "Maza" debate. I searched the Internet for about 10 minutes and in http://www.code-it.com/translation.htm there's an English-Lakota(Sioux) dictionary.
It says "Maza" indeed means "iron". Congrats - that's one mistake that wasn't made. :-)
Greg responds...
I thank you. And though he doesn't realize it, Paul Lacy thanks you. He's the one that did the original research that got us that name.
I guess Elisa is Very Multi-Racial. You have to figure that on her mother's side she most likely has both African and Caucasian ancestors. And on her father's side we're looking (at minimum) at Sioux and Hopi. With possibly some Navajo in there too.
For some reason that pleases me.
Am I missing anything?
Melissa writes...
Hey Greg,
I've always thought that Elisa was one of the greatest characters on the show. She is a positive role model for not only girls/women, but to everyone. She is strong, intelligent, and a great cop. Which got me to thinking.
In the last scene of "Metamorphosis", Elisa is crying in the middle of what seems to be a haystack in the clock tower over her brother's mutation. I would have never thought that a strong character like her, would sit down and cry in a haystack while the gargoyles can plainy see her. Not that crying is bad or anything, but it seems too out-of-character for Elisa to choose to have the gargoyles see her bawl, when she could have gone back to her apartment instead. Was there any significance or reason why she did decide to go to the clocktower?
Thanks!!
(Any additional comments on this scene would be great as well!)
Greg responds...
A haystack?
Anyway, I think Elisa is a good role model. Flawed, but strong.
But I don't think that her crying in front of her friends is a flaw. I think it shows strength of character. She doesn't need to hide her emotions. And though they couldn't help her, I think she wanted to be surrounded by those that she loved and loved her, since she couldn't be with her brother.
As to why in the clock tower, keep in mind that Goliath probably flew her back to the clock tower/precinct house from the Castle. And that her car was at the precinct. So instead of waiting to break down until she got home. "Being brave". She was honest.
Todd Jensen writes...
Another Demona question. One thing that I noticed was that while Demona and Elisa were serious enemies throughout the series, they haven't really had a head-on clash since "Avalon Part Three". In "Sanctuary", Elisa opposes Demona and is the one to temporarily kill her, but Demona never even notices Elisa, being too busy fighting Macbeth. They don't interact in "Future Tense" (which doesn't really count, for obvious reasons) or "The Reckoning", and while both play major roles in "Hunter's Moon", they never run into each other in that one either.
Did you have any Demona/Elisa confrontations planned for after "Hunter's Moon" (and I can't help but think that the Kiss and its consequences would almost certainly make Demona all the more hostile towards Elisa)?
Greg responds...
Of course.
Melissa writes...
Hey Greg,
This question might sound confusing but I'll try my best to make it comprehensible.
I don't expect you to remember, but you responded to a question (by Charles) on July 30 about Elisa and Goliath's double date. The question was mainly about Elisa's response how Goliath had chosen to take Delilah. You responded by saying "Elisa was pressuring him. She had to live with the consequences of her choice."
So my question is: I always was under the impression that E & G mutally decided to go on this double date. But by the way you responded, it sounded more like Goliath wanted to date Elisa but she rejected the offer. Was this the case? Am I totally off? If you had any input on this, it would be greatly appreciated.
Greg responds...
The notion of "dating" doesn't really come naturally to Goliath.
As I've said before, after years of pussy-footing around, we'd have finally made E&G have an actual DISCUSSION about the status of their relationship. Goliath would "allow" Elisa to drive the conversation, but they would BOTH come to the inevitable conclusion that any relationship between them would be impossible. (Of course, they were kidding themselves.)
Elisa would then attempt to proactively prove that they were moving on to a more common sense approach to romance by having both of them date within their species. She would accept a Halloween invitation to go out with either Morgan or Jason. (To this day, I still haven't decided which.) She would pressure Goliath to take Delilah. Delilah is eager, and for obvious reasons, physically attractive to Goliath. But I'd say Goliath was reluctant for equally obvious reasons, but he agreed to appease Elisa. Then we have this whole action story going on, of course too, which I won't get into here.
But anyway, the result is that they both realize that they are meant for each other. They have to apologize to Morgan/Jason & Delilah, with mixed results. And they then have to figure out just what their relationship, now that they know it's inescapable, is going to be.
How's that?
Todd Jensen writes...
This is something that I recently thought of, in light of your comments about maces being a gargoyle's natural enemy. According to what I've read and heard, "maza" is actually Spanish for "mace". While I don't think that that was a consideration in making it Elisa's surname (given that you said that you went for it because you were under the impression that it was a Sioux word for "iron" - but later on found out that it wasn't), I did find it amusing and ironic, and thought that you might be interested in learning this as well.
Greg responds...
I WAS told that "Maza" meant "iron" in Sioux. But now I'm not sure if that information was accurate. Does anyone know if "Maza" means "iron" in any Native American language or dialect?
But yes, the irony is kinda cool. The only one who can break through Goliath's considerable defenses is the woman with the mace. Further proof that the Gargoyles Universe exists, and I'm only tapping into it. And further proof that I screwed up by making the weapon in "Vendettas" a battle axe and not a mace.
Anonymous writes...
HAS ELIZA MAZA EVER BEEN SERIOUSLY INJURIED IN ANY EPISODE OF GARGOYLES, AND IF SO CAN YOU TELL ME IF THEY MADE A COMIC OF THAT PERTICULAR EPISODE AND THE NUMBER OF THAT COMIC IF YOU PLEASE,ALSO IF THERE IS SUCH AN EPISODE DID THEY MAKE A VIDEO OF THAT PERTICULAR EPISODE, AND IF SO IF IT IS AVAILABLE TO BUY THAN YOU
Greg responds...
Elisa was seriously injured in an episode called "Deadly Force" which was at one time available on Video. You'd have to scrounge around to find it now, I think.
I don't think it was ever adapted into the comic.
Frank writes...
Why doesn't Elisa change her clothes?
Greg responds...
She has 102 black t-shirts. She changes three times a day.
Or were you looking for a real world answer? We couldn't afford to redesign her every episode. And the more different looks we gave her, the more we were inviting animation errors.
(No one mentions why Owen seems to wear the same suit every day?)
Maria writes...
You had mentioned that gargoyles don't generally kiss. They use a caress which in some ways for them mimics the kiss. But, considering the fact that Elisa surprised him by kissing him, what would be his reaction later? Would he ask questions about it and she would explain that she kissed him because she loved him? And, would he become curious enough to try kissing her? Would he enjoy it?
I can almost envision a silly face showing that he liked it, kind of like in the scene in Tarzan where Jane kisses an unsuspecting Tarzan. But then, that might not even happen. But it might be cute and inoccent if it did.
Anyway, thanks before hand for replying, and my apologies for some of my earlier more stupid posts. Just curious about that stuff mostly, I guess.
Greg responds...
By the time Elisa kissed him, Goliath had witnessed plenty of kisses. He knows what it means. And after trying it, I'd guess he liked it. If the right person kisses him. Which she did.
shaun writes...
Is there somethimg between Goliath and Elisa,does the rest of the clan know about it?
Greg responds...
Yes.
Yes.
aXvXia writes...
Dear Mr. Weisman,
in 1994, when the gargoyles series came out i was seven, and waaay to little to understand all of it. A few months ago i was flipping thru channels and i heard Keith David's distinctive voice and i got goosebumps as a wave of old memories washed over me. I was hooked....again.
Now for my question about elisa, so you know where to put it:
in 1996, how old was she? i mean, i know her father left home in his village in 1960, so she cant be over thirty-five, and she's got detective status, so she's no younger than 22.
i know you didnt design the character completely, but do you have a better- educated guess than me?
Thanx, and say hi to Erin for me!
Greg responds...
I know her exact age. Unfortunately, that info is at my office and I'm home right now. Please submit the question again.
[Seven in '94. That means you're only 13 now. Man, do I feel ancient.]
Ambrosia writes...
This question might be silly or irrelevant but...
In Eye of the Beholder and The Journey, Elisa (surprise) wears something other than her bomber jacket. My question is... where is her scar from being shot? Does she have one? or is it lower? or was it just too small for the animators to draw?
Greg responds...
It's smallish. And I think it's between her breasts, but I'm not sure.
I'm too much of a gentleman to ask for a peek.
TK writes...
Hello Greg,
ok firsts thank you for answering my questions
and now to the questions
Goliath always tries to tell Elisa how he feels ,right. She always puts her hand on his mouth,to stop him.
Why does she not want to hear it?
and
Why doesn't he just tell her anyway and push her hand aside?
Is it out of respect?
Thanks a ton! Greg!
Greg responds...
1. She generally knows what he's going to say, and she's not ready to deal with that.
2. Yes, respect. And some fear of rejection.
LSZ writes...
If these questions have been asked before, they aren't in the old or new archives, though I'm sure at least the first has been asked before:
1) How long were Goliath, Elisa and Bronx away from New York on the World Tour?
2) What was Elisa's explanation to Chavez and her friends?
3) How many places besides the ones we saw did they go to?
4) Care to name some of the unseen ones?
5) Is there any significance to the carved face on the skiff?
Greg responds...
1. Less than a year, though I haven't made precise calculations. Coincidentally, I plan on making precise calculations within the next three months. Ask me again later.
2. To Chavez, it was "personal time", and not much more. Which didn't sit well with Maria, but Elisa was still one of her best detectives. To Matt she told the truth (and he helped defend Elisa to Maria). What other friends were you referring to.
3. At least one, Tibet. But that's probably it.
4. Tibet.
5. Yes.
Mara "Shinigami" (yay, Japanese! )Cordova writes...
Me again! (heh, and what month is this now, Greg?)
Okay, In Hunter's Moon, when Owen offers the help of his boss to Elisa during that scene in the warehouse and she rebukes him...
When she says "I've had enough help from him to last a lifetime" (paraphrased, ofcourse) what is she referring to?
Her brother's mutation or just the craziness that she's been snared into since the Gargoyles woke up? That line somehow sounds to me like the two (Xanatos and Maza) have a past history pre-Gargoyles. So, do they?
Greg responds...
August. (Which isn't too bad.) Are you the same Mara I met at the con? The one with the orangest hair?
Mostly Derek, but all of the crap he's put her and her friends through.
No past history to speak of.
S writes...
Whoops, heh heh, I'd like to make a correction on question #3 in my Physical Attraction post. What I meant to say was: How could Goliath not see Elisa was physically attractive before "The Mirror?"
Greg responds...
I got that.
S writes...
Hello again, Mr. Weisman. Thank you for answering my "Educating Goliath" questions and not pulling a "Weis-guy" answer on me. Gorebash should rename the Smart-ass Responses to "Weis-guy Responses." I'm saying this in good humor, by the way. Anyways...
PHYSICAL ATTRACTION QUESTIONS:
1.You said: "Absolutely. It's all mixed in there. Protect & Serve, right? There's a chicken and the egg element to what brought the Gargoyles (and Goliath specifically) together with Detective Maza. Kindred Spirits. Physical attraction." There's more, but I'll stop there.
My question is: Who 'exactly' does the "Physical attraction" part refer to? Just Goliath to Elisa and/or vice versa? Which brings me to my next question...
2.How come Elisa shows no evidence of physical attraction to Goliath? I mean, you've heard Goliath being referred to as handsome and everything and he has a nice body(for a cartoon character anyway), but how can Elisa not see that he is 'obviously' attractive? Which, yet again, brings me to another question...
3.How could Goliath not see that Elisa was physically attractive? It doesn't make any sense. Look at Demona, she basically looks humanish. I don't see how it could be that hard for Goliath not to see Elisa as beautiful if he sees Demona that way. He could basically think of her as a gargoyle without the gargoylian features(wings, tail, etc.).
Well, that's about all, and thanks.
Greg responds...
1. It depends "WHEN" you are talking about, but the answer is probably both.
2. You're not paying attention if you think that Elisa showed no evidence.
3. Ah, but that's VERY different, particularly, I think, with guys. If you're socialized to find certain physical traits to be beautiful, including wings and tails, than to see someone without those things, might not light your fire, until you look closer.
Nyrtleka writes...
My Q's about how you mentioned an attempt at a relationship between Delilah and Goliath.
This seems a little bit strange to me. I mean, you've mentioned over and over again that gargs mate for life. I can't see a gargoyle, well, "dating" because they are simply making an attempt at a relationship with someone, instead of really loving that person. If Goliath "dated" Delilah, wouldn't this be against the "Gargoyles mate for life" thing? Or is he just making a last, desperate attempt to break away from Elisa?
Thanks!
Greg responds...
He's humoring Elisa. But not happily.
TK writes...
Hello Again,
First thanks for answerings all of our questions and now the question.
This one just bugs me some so here
Why is Goliath so surprised when Elisa Kisses him/ I mean look at the freeze-frames Gorebash has he looks so suprised or even...well, Idon't know (comments?)
I mean doesn't he want her to kiss him ? or rather doesn't he want to kiss her?
Just thought i would ask
thanks A bunch
Greg responds...
1. He's just caught off guard. Pleased, but, yes, surprised. It's not in character for her. And he didn't yet know what she had just said to Jason.
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