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matt writes...
in the Wyvern years, was the Trio kinda outcasts or loners of their generation? it seemed to me that they generally just stuck together with Bronx and didn't interact much with their siblings. am i right about this or did we just not really see their relationships with their siblings due to lack of time?
Greg responds...
Mostly the latter. I certainly wouldn't call them outcasts. I just think they were best friends.
Lord Sloth writes...
What is the signifigance of the clones names? The only name I recognise is Hollywood. Why did Demona choose them?
Greg responds...
Hollywood, Brentwood, Malibu and Burbank are all part of the Greater Los Angeles Area. Demona chose those names to spoof what she views as the idiotic name choices that the trio and Hudson chose for themselves.
Todd Jensen writes...
In "Deadly Force", the trio describe "Showdown" as a "new movie", but it's a black-and-white film. Were the trio using the word "new" in a comparative sense (the same way that Lexington described Shakespeare as a "new writer" in "Enter Macbeth"), or was it genuinely a recent film that happened to be shot in black-and-white rather than color?
Greg responds...
It was either the latter or a restored rerelease of an old film. Either way, it was new to them.
Hey, Todd, I hope you'll post a Gathering Diary here. I'd like to read it.
Pyro X writes...
Greg;
I was reading your MEMO about "The Silver Falcon." fro the archives...
I got to thinking... This type of epidode wouldn't have worked with Brooklyn or even Lexington... these type of characters almost need to have other gargoyles around. You couldn't ahve a hole epidose of only Brooklyn or only Lexington. Lexington and brooklyn don't have human connections like Broadway. He shot Elisa. This brought them a bit closer than the others.
Do you agree or dissagree?
Greg responds...
I agree that Broadway shooting Elisa brought the two of them closer together. (Though they were already close.)
But otherwise, I disagree. Either Brooklyn or Lex could carry an episode on their own. I think we more or less proved that with Temptation and Thrill of the Hunt.
I know other characters were involved. But Lex and Brooklyn each carried those shows.
matt writes...
before the Wyvern Massacre did the Trio have any love interest among their peers? any "girlfriends" or whatever gargoyles have? esspecially Brooklyn, was Maggie his first crush or has we just seen the last two of a series of Brooklyn crushes?
Greg responds...
I'm not telling at this time.
matt writes...
befor ethe Wyvern massacre, did the trio often seem to get in touble? when Goliath approached them in the courtyard and said, "you three! down to the rookery until i return..." it seemed as if this wasn't the first time they had caused trouble or at least not the first time Goliath had yelled at them... were they troublemakers of a sort among the clan?
Greg responds...
They got into their fair share.
Anonymous writes...
Why did you send Brooklyn on a forty-year journey? Why not Broadway or Lexington?
Greg responds...
On at least one level, because that's how it happened. That is, the characters seem to tell me what happens to them next. It just seems right.
But basically, I felt Brooklyn needed to get away, break out. This was symbollically the most extreme way. BW and Lex don't need to leave.
matt writes...
in "Awakening" we see Bronx playing with the trio. was Bronx more often with the trio then other gargs or was he just playing with them that night? what i mean is, was Bronx more a pet to the trio or had more of a connection with them than other members of the clan?
Greg responds...
Yes, generally.
matt writes...
you said that Iago decieved Othello and Desdemona in 993 and that he was banished after that, but he came out of his banishment in 994, in time for the massacre. is all that right?
why was it such a short banishment?
how do gargoyles decide on how long to banish a clan member?
does the whole clan decide the banishment time/punishment or just the leader?
was Goliath in effect banishing the trio but only lightly when he sent them to the rookery or was that a common punishment for young gargs?
Greg responds...
That's basically right.
The banishment was for a year, which isn't that short considering he didn't kill anyone. He was just causing trouble. (Whispering in Othello's ear, causing Othello to act like a jerk isn't that big a crime, I guess.) Also, Iago may have done something to get back in everyone's good graces. At least begrudgingly.
The leader makes the final decision.
He wasn't literally banishing them. Sort of telling them to sit in the corner. It was not an uncommon punishment. But it was mostly done just to temporarily difuse things while he was gone for what he assumed would be a short errand.
Todd Jensen writes...
When did Lexington and Brooklyn learn how to read? Was it before or after the thousand-year-sleep?
Greg responds...
Lex before. Brooklyn immediately after. At least in my mind.
Pyro X writes...
Greg;
There are several types of Characters on the show.
Hudson is like a grandfather if you know what i mean.
Goliath is the typical parent.
The trio are the teens.
My question: there is no gargoyle around the early to mid twenties range (something like Beth Maza.) Was there ever a problem not having this type of influence?
Did you give some of the qualities that a character of this age group my have to other people?
Greg responds...
Well, the Trio are in their late teens. (And Beth was in her early twenties.) So I'm not sure if the distinction you're suggesting isn't a heck of a lot subtler than you're indicating.
Jim R. writes...
Greg, in a reply to matt's question you said Boudicca is older than Bronx. But how could that be since Bronx was with the rest of the clan in 994 A.D. and I'm guessing Boudicca is a beast which hatched with the rest of the garg eggs that were taken to Avalon? How could Boudicca be older than Bronx if this is true? I would not think that is should have to do with anything about how time passes more slowly on Avalon either, because logically Bronx would still be older or about the same age even though he was stone for a 1000 years.
Greg responds...
Boudicca is biologically older than Bronx. Bronx is chronologically older than Boudicca.
Boudicca is the same biological age as Angela, who is approximately the same biological age as the Trio. (Though CHRONOLOGICALLY, the Trio is MUCH older.)
Bronx is chronologically twenty years younger than the Trio. Biologically ten years younger. Which makes him approximately ten biological years younger than Boudicca.
Whew!
matt writes...
oh, and also in the age of characters list you said that Yama is 29 and Sora is 19. their mates, and i thought there were never mates from different generations, Broadway and Angela being the exception. i figured that gargs mated among their rookery siblings because that way they wouldn't find a mate in a close (i.e. brother and sister) biological relative. so is it common for gargs to mate between generations? or are Broadway/Angela and Yama/Sora very different from the norm?
Greg responds...
Broadway and Angela are a very unusual case for OBVIOUS reasons. (He was asleep for 1000 years. She grew up on Avalon. As a result they are nearly the exact same age biologically.)
Yama and Sora are atypical. But their love is not unheard of.
I don't ever recall saying that gargs from separate generations couldn't or wouldn't mate. It's just not particularly common.
matt writes...
i was surprised that you said that had the Wyvern massacre not happened Brooklyn would probably still have been chosen as a future leader of the clan. i guess i always thought that Goliath chose Brooklyn out of lack of other options, that he was the best among the trio, i suppose his leadership qualities would've shown up in any event, huh?
Greg responds...
Why not?
But I'm not big on hypotheticals.
matt writes...
when the clan moves into the clocktower, the clock doesn't work and later on it does, i'm assuming because Lex fixed it like he said he could. what did the people of New York think when suddenly the clock was working again, wouldn't someone go up there to investigate at least?
i realize its another stupid question, but i figured i'd ask anyway...
Greg responds...
Lex was constantly fixing the clock. It was constantly breaking down. (You'll notice that sometimes the time on the face made sense. Sometimes it made no sense.) Before Lex, workmen did the same thing but had largely given up due to municipal budget cuts. No one noticed that it continued to be inconsistent.
matt writes...
in "Awakening Pt 1" we see, briefly, another gargoyle with Lexington's wing structure. cosidering how rare it is, would it be safe to assume that the gargoyle was a close relative biologically to Lex, like his father or older brother? was that gargoyle one of these?
Greg responds...
Maybe. Though I never said it was rare. Just rarer.
Cherubique writes...
Okay, maybe you won't reveal Lex's mate, but will you tell us if he has any childrens>?
Greg responds...
Sure, all the eggs of certain generations would be children to every member of the Clan including Lex.
QUIT THINKING LIKE A HUMAN!
Evidentally, I went out of town in late June / early July of 1993. My very capable and talented Development Associate Paul Lacy was holding down the fort.
Walt Disney TV Animation Japan had been asking for a more creative role in the division. Gargoyles would represent a new opportunity for them. (Something that I believe Roy Sato could comment on more directly.) Paul wrote up some character descriptions for Goliath and the Trio to get them started. This document, as far as I can tell, is the first one in which Brooklyn and Lex were assigned the basic personalities that they'd wind up with. Previous to this, the two characters had always been assigned each others traits. So I think we can credit Paul (or his confusion, at least) with giving us the Brooklyn and Lex we now know and love.
Also by this time, we had moved away from a female Broadway. One of my bosses, Bruce Cranston, still raised the suggestion that we go back. But I believe my other boss, Gary Krisel (and Kenner) wanted as many males in the group as possible.
July 2, 1993
Greg,
Gary wants to give Tokunaga, the head of the Disney Studio in Japan, a shot at showing us what they can do design-wise with the GARGOYLES, so he wants us to send them descriptions of GOLIATH, BROOKLYN, LEXINGTON and BROADWAY. The descriptions need to be brief and put in general terms to allow them room to be creative.
I've enclosed my pass at these descriptions for your changes. Although I remember the "types" we were thinking of for Brooklyn, Lexington and Broadway, I don't remember who was assigned which attribute. Bruce asked about making one of the kids a female, should we open that up to the Japanese as an option?
Gary and Bruce looked at these today and I incorporated their changes. We need to get these to Lenora Hume early Tuesday so she can fax them to Japan.
Hope you had a great trip. See you on Tuesday.
Paul
And here's Paul's memo to the Japanese Studio.
GARGOYLE DESCRIPTIONS (Lacy 7/2/93)
Below are general descriptions of the look and feel of GOLIATH and the three teen-aged Gargoyles, BROOKLYN, LEXINGTON and BROADWAY.
GOLIATH
The Gargoyle-master. Physically imposing, muscular. At least a head taller than an average human. Weighing approximately 500 pounds, Goliath is solidly built. Although he possesses many human-like features, Goliath's gargoyle features set him apart from man. When angered he resembles a raging beast. When relaxed there is a gentle nobility to his appearance ... in a strange, rugged way, he's handsome. Goliath's wings enable him to glide and, as such, must be big enough to support his weight. They are not simply attached to his back. Rather, they are an integral part of his skeletal and muscular structure, as organic to him as arms and legs are to humans. When sitting, Goliath's wings drape around him like a cape. When spread wide, they act as a backdrop that frames his body.
BROOKLYN, LEXINGTON AND BROADWAY
As adolescent gargoyles, they're awkward and not as physically developed as Goliath. To a human, however, they're still imposing and beastly. Although the three are part of the same species, each one is physically different enough to establish their individuality.
BROOKLYN: If there's a leader of the group, it's Brooklyn. He's the most physically fit of the group and is the one who most aspires to be a gargoyle warrior like Goliath. In the modern world Brooklyn wants to be "cool" and stylish, following all the current trends.
LEXINGTON: The smallest of the group. He's not as muscular as his pals, though he still is powerful. Lexington natural resting position is more a squat than the other two. Lexington is fascinated by gadgets: in medieval times it's catapults and siege engines. In modern times it's airplanes, traffic lights, video games, etc.
BROADWAY: The chubby one, Broadway's also bigger than the other two. Despite his fat, he has well defined muscles like the other gargoyles. Broadway is happy go-lucky, always looking for a good time.
Some of different wing types for these three characters include sprung from the back (like Goliath) for gliding, attached to the back but too small to be of any use, draped from the arm (like a bat), or non-existent.
Justin writes...
Here we go again...
1) Will Goliath and Elisa ever have kids?
2) Will Brooklyn and Katana have kids in the 2008 rookery?
3) Will Lexington?
Thanks
Greg responds...
1, 2, and 3. They will be parents to all the children of the clan.
matt writes...
i thought i'd share a interesting story:
i know alot of people write in here and in other sites, etc. about how Angela should have ended up with Brooklyn and not Broadway. Greg, you are so right in your reasons why Broadway and Angela ended up together and i'm happy to say that i knew they would, but the funny thing is why i believed that they'd end up together. when Angela first joined the cast i figured that she'd end up with one of the trio (although i did think there was something between her and Gabriel, but thats another story). of course, i wanted to know which one she would end up with so i began to think about these four characters. my analysis, correct, but flawed, was that Lex was too small in stature, Brook had a beak, so kissing was very hard to do, so it had to be Broadway. until i started posting here i didn't know that kissing wasn't a garg custom, afterall, Coldstone and Coldfire kissed in cyberspace, Elisa kissed Goliath, and Angela kissed all three of the trio on the cheek and later Broadway on the mouth. i thought, how can Brook kiss Angela with that beak! i know its stupid and i really should have learned that there were other factors but i guess i couldn't get past garg appearences, i'm such a human...
Greg responds...
Yes, such a human. Angela's choice (if you want to call it that) had little to do with beaks or height or weight. It was the garg inside.
Todd Jensen writes...
Re your comment on changing Broadway's character from female to male:
Well, maybe it was cowardice, but I'm certain that it was a good thing for Angela that you did. She wouldn't have been able to have had a S&P-approved relationship with Broadway otherwise, after all :)
Greg responds...
Now, I can't really imagine it any other way.
Corrine Blaquen writes...
More of a comment than a question:
I think I know why everyone thinks that you were hinting at Angela-Brooklyn rather than Angela-Broadway.
Brooklyn, as you've noticed, is a popular character. He's my personal favorite. People recognize him as the member of the trio most oriented toward romance. He has the instances of Maggie and maybe even Demona (TEMPTATION), while Broad and Lex don't have any. Some viewers even consider him the "leader" of the trio, (I'd myself never thought the trio had a "leader" to itself, but some people have...) and traditionally, the leader gets the girl. You also have several instances where Brooklyn patrols with Angela and no other members of the trio, which could be interpreted as further indication that since they are literally "together" (as in in the same place) they are figuratively "together" (as in a couple.)
*Shrugs* Just my take.
Greg responds...
Well, Brook is CLEARLY the leader of the Trio. Particularly after Goliath makes him second in command of the clan.
Demona in Temptation is pushing it. (Sorry, Christine.) But there are two indications of Brook falling hard for a dame: Maggie and Angela. Both crushes, based on nothing else but physical appearance and apparent availability.
And I don't think we put Angela with Brooklyn anymore often than we put her with the other two. People saw what they want to see.
But at any rate, I'm not surprised people saw it going that way. Like I've said, it's the obvious choice. We just didn't feel it was the right choice. The characters told us different.
matt writes...
by the time of "The Journey" does Demona know about Broadway and Angela being a couple? if not, when does she find out?
Greg responds...
After.
Xavier writes...
1)Just out of plain curiosity, why did Angela have the get "involved" with any one of trio? Did you ever consider just having her go with nobody? She just seemed to me as somone who was more interested in having family relationships with her parents versus a romantic one.
2)This may answer my first question, but in regards to having Angela go with Broadway, did you do it to set a good example for children? I mean,Broadway didn't exactly have the charm of a knight in shinning armor,and he was also fat which would have taught kids that "looks are not important,it's what's inside" So again,it makes sence and I was just wondering if that's why you decided to do it.Thank You!
Greg responds...
1. She didn't "have to" (I assumed you meant "have to" and not "have the"). But she seemed to me to be a young blossoming woman-garg, who might eventually be interested in both familial and romantic ties.
2. I wasn't unaware of potential lessons, I guess. But the answer is no. We did it because it seemed right. Gary Sperling and I sat down while working on "Turf". I felt that it was important that Turf not reveal a choice for Angela, but rather her independence. But I also felt it was important for us to know who (if anyone) she was going to wind up with. Brooklyn was in many ways an obvious choice, but as we discussed it, it soon became clear that they were a bad match. That she was just another pretty face for Brooklyn to get a crush on. But that Broadway, the sensitive, intuitive soul, would appeal to something deep inside her. And she to him, as well.
DCB writes...
Silly hypothetical question.
What do you suppose Broadway and Angela were thinking when Othello suggested that he and Desdemona keep possession of their (Broadways and Angela's) bodies? Assuming they could hear them the way Brooklyn could Iago.
Greg responds...
They were probably SCREAMING!!
What would you think?
Yttrium writes...
What made you decide to make Broadway male, when you'd originally had him a female? I personally think it works better this way, but I'm curious.
---Ytt
Greg responds...
Honestly, fear.
We were afraid to have a female character who loved to eat and was overweight. We were afraid that various groups with all sorts of agendas would attack the show, missing the forest for the trees.
"Why are the only two female gargoyles in the show evil and/or fat?"
Plus, we were constantly being told that the series would only appeal to boys. And that boys don't like female characters. Both of these notions are dopey. Particularly the second one. (Can you say "Lara Croft".) But if someone hammers you with a notion often enough, it's hard not to subscribe to it a bit.
I'm not proud of our cowardice, but I think Broadway became a great character, and now I wouldn't go back and change for the world.
matt writes...
on several occasions throughout the series the trio and Hudson mentioned or went to various movies, including Bambi, Star Wars, and all the cop movies Broadway watched. what were their favirote movies? also, when the trio went to see "Bambi" they had been in New York less than six months, i can't believe with all the movies they had never seen, they would have seen "Bambi" at least twice as evidenced by the line, "I don't remember any explosions in Bambi". it was funny but as an 18 year old male myself, i can't imagine why "Bambi" would hold such interest to them.
Greg responds...
I've seen Bambi many times. It's pretty cool. Have you seen it recently.
Hudson's favorite show is Celebrity Hockey. His favorite cartoon character is Donald Duck.
They all used to be big fans of The Pack. But times change.
matt writes...
in "the cage" when the trio returned from a concert in the park what concert was it? i heard it was the "smashing pumpkins".
Greg responds...
Who might it have been in late 1995?
Kam-Ra Cru writes...
Do the trio have any blood-siblings on Avalon>
Greg responds...
Potentially.
matt writes...
what is Goliath's reaction to Broadway and Angela's relationship? what is Demona's?
Greg responds...
I think he's pleased.
Demona's probably conflicted. I don't think she likes Broadway, simply because he's alligned against her. But I don't think she's rooting for her daughter to be alone either.
Faieq writes...
I asked this question before and you responded
"I don't have my timeline with me, so I cannot assume the premise of your question is correct. Please resubmit it."
So now I'm resubmitting it:In 975 Goliath and Demona/'Angel' were 37 chronolgically, I think, and this seems to be a little young to be committing themselves to eacch other (compared to the trio, who were the same age in 994 but were single). Does that mean that the Trio mated late and the rest of their rookery siblings already have mates in 994, or did Demona and Goliath become mates long before their other brothers and sisters?
Greg responds...
I think Goliath and Demona mated a tad young. A few of the Trios contemporaries may have mated at the time of the massacre, but most would not have.
John writes...
Hi Greg,
On my last question you repost: Define "love". Well, I know that Brooklyn didn´t really love Angela from our point of view. But from his point of view, he is in love, and so, I think, he would tell angela, that he is. So, will he ever?
CU, John
Greg responds...
They might have a conversation some day. But not until after the TimeDance, when it's WAY moot.
John writes...
Hi Greg,
Some Trio questions:
1.: Will Brooklyn ever tell Angela that he loved her? (In Goliath Chronicals, he never did, and that was one of the things that gets the show down)
2.: Ummh... how could I say? Ok, let´s try it with this: Will Lex ever step away from the right way? (hope you understand:))
3.: In the old episodes, Broadway has that nasty comic image. In your future plans, would he get more seriously?
CU, John
Greg responds...
1. Define "loved".
2. I understand, but you don't really expect me to answer that do you?
3. Both.
Todd Jensen writes...
One piece of rambling/thoughts that I've had on Broadway for a while, and finally remembered to post here.
You've mentioned in the past about Broadway being a gentle soul at heart and the most perceptive of the trio (which was a major factor in he being the one who wound up with Angela). One thing that's occurred to me is that Puck must have noticed that, given how he handled Broadway in "Future Tense".
In "Future Tense", Brooklyn and Lexington are both extremely bitter at Goliath for going away for forty years (Lexington, in fact, turns out to be worse than bitter, and I got the impression that Goliath's long absence was a major factor in his turning evil). Broadway, however, welcomes Goliath back gladly, saying that what's important is that he's returned, and mentions that he never gave up hope that Goliath would come back someday. That definitely stood out all the more in contrast to Brooklyn and Lexington's attitude.
Also, Broadway definitely got the most moving death scene in the entire episode ("Yes, the sun. Can't you see it, Goliath? It's beautiful."). I don't consider that just an accident, either. Puck may not be omniscient (definitely not in light of his having to hurriedly invent an explanation for Thailog's absence when he found out from Goliath that Thailog and Demona had been mates), but he's clearly got a good handle on Broadway's character, I'd say.
Greg responds...
Yep. Puck and me and Michael Reaves, anyway.
matt writes...
you've said that lex was pursueing angela mainly because his brothers were and lex is the only trio member without a known future mate, so is lex gay? are there gay gargoyles?
sorry if you find this question offensive, im just wondering
Greg responds...
I don't find the question offensive at all. But I also don't want to answer it at this time. I've given away Brooklyn's mate, so I want to keep people guessing about Lex as much as possible.
And yes, there are gay gargoyles.
matt writes...
did Brooklyn have some sort of attraction to Demona in temptation?
why is brooklyn so damn horny? (no pun intended)
Greg responds...
Maybe a bit. But I wouldn't take it too far. (Though I know others have.)
Why is any teen-age male so damn horny?
Chapter XX: "Eye of the Beholder"
Written by Steve Perry. Story Edited by Michael Reaves.
It's really just a coincidence that we watched this so close to Halloween (11-2-00). I wasn't trying for that. This was just the next episode in the sequence. Still, when I mentioned before we started that this was the Halloween episode of Gargoyles, the kids got very excited. Erin pointed at the framed cell we have in our bedroom which depicts Goliath and La Belle Elisa dancing. She remembered that it came from the episode we were about to watch. Benny then commented that Elisa and Goliath are going to get married. Erin, who has a clearer memory of the last time we completed the 66 episode sequence corrected him. But I said something cryptic, like you never know. Erin said I needed to make more episodes so that we could find out. From her mouth to God's ears.
In general, the kids were very verbal during this episode, or at least Erin was. Benny started out verbal, but fell asleep with his mom rubbing his tummy somewhere during Act One.
In the opener, a classic scene I think, when he first saw Xanatos and Fox together he said: "That was you, Erin. I was him." in reference to the Fox and Xanatos costumes they wore to the Gathering 2000's masquerade.
Erin really bought into the tension of the episode. And it is very tense. Some terrific pacing to this. She remembered this one with much greater clarity than most. "Uh oh. That's not just any necklace." Etc. Personally, I just love Xanatos' pragmatic proposal. The truth is X should have already known that he was truly in love with Fox. I've just done some research into sentencing while working on and reworking my Gargoyle timeline. Fox & Wolf each received a 16 month sentence for briefly holding that model hostage in "Thrill of the Hunt". They had the opportunity to be parolled after eight months. They were rejected. Instead of waiting a mere eight more months for them to be released free and clear, an impatient Xanatos sets up the events in "Leader of the Pack". Is that a man in love or what? Nevertheless, we get his whole "We're genetically compatible and have the same goals" speech. She asks about love, and he feels himself largely incapable of the emotion. He thinks he's too amoral for that. "I think we love each other as much as two people like us can." (Or something like that. I'm approximating all these quotations.) It's fun.
Then comes the sequence in Mr. Jaffe's store. Erin is still very tense: "Uh oh, that's Fox. She's wearing the necklace." and "She wants to stop it [the necklace] with one arm. But she doesn't want to with the other." Here, Erin's hit right on Fox's internal conflict. Part of her is fighting the Eye, but part of her wants to surrender to its power. When X first confronts her in her bedroom, and when the Werefox emerges and attacks, it doesn't shred him. It throws him down on the bed. There's some powerful primal energy swirling 'round that room. Lucky thing Owen is there, or I'm not sure Xanatos escapes with his dignity intact.
Xanatos takes note and activates Plan A, which will be followed by B and C. And a makeshift D. It becomes almost a parody of all his contingencies and "Xanatos Tags" from previous episodes. For once, he's out of control. And he can't bear to admit it. He pretends (even to himself) that he just needs to recover the valuable Eye of Odin, when what he obviously really wants is to save Fox. "...I'd never have just given it away. Ah, well, spilled milk." (I always thought that was a great and yet feeble cover for his real feelings.)
Speaking of the Eye, how many knew back when it was intro'd in "The Edge" that it would be so important? As I think I've mentioned, the Eye was actually the creation of Disney Interactive which was working on a GARGOYLES VIDEO GAME at the time. They told us about the Eye, and I loved the idea and decided to incorporate it into the show. Unfortunately, we didn't use their design, which had this great crow/raven theme to it, appropriate to Odin. Instead, our design always looked vaguely Egyptian to me. I can't remember, but I think that maybe they're design wasn't ready when we needed to complete our model for "The Edge". Or it might have been poor communication. The Eye was designed at Walt Disney Animation - Japan. At any rate, we knew from the gamer folk that the Eye had metamorphic powers. But I wanted to be more specific. Yes, it would grant power, but it had to grant power that suited the legend of Odin's Eye. The Eye traditionally provided Mimir with the gift of sight. That easily translated to "insight" for me. Which is a kind of power in its own right. The Eye in the Gargoyles Universe would externalize and amplify a major trait of the wearer. And, yes, even then I had plans to eventually intro Odin himself and have him stick the thing back in his empty socket.
I think that shot from inside the elevator shaft when Fox smashes her way in is very cool.
Owen with an Elvis tribute: "Fox has left the building."
CONTINUITY
--The Eye of Odin, of course.
--Mr. Jaffe's poor grocery store.
--X's commando squad (including Bruno) is at the ready, yet still unprepared for the Werefox's fury.
--Since "The Mirror", Goliath is more open about his growing feelings for Elisa. She again defuses things by turning his concerns for her into a more objective statement about friendship.
--Goliath is back in the library. This time studying Werewolves. The information won't be useful, but isn't that just like him?
--Elisa immediately jumping to the conclusion that the were-thing is another of Xanatos' mutated victims like her brother.
HALLOWEEN - The trio are very excited to be able to stroll into the open. "No one'll know who we are." Better yet, "No one will know WHAT we are." The taste of conformity they got in "The Mirror" has opened a window on their need to be a part of something larger than the clan.
Another cool visual: Fox and Goliath circling each other, with Fox on all fours.
I love when Goliath tries to reason with Fox. "If Xanatos is your enemy, then believe me, WE are your friends." How little he knows. The Werefox immediately attacks him. Still conflicted. Throughout the story, Fox fights, but the Eye reasserts.
Time for Plan C. But Owen has noticed the flaw in Xanatos' usually stellar power of contingency. X claims that all he cares about is the Eye. But he's only setting things up so that the gargs will get the eye. Subconsciously, all he wants is Fox. But we have Goliath arrive and interrupt just at that moment so that neither X or the audience has time to focus on the contradicition.
X breaks down. Appeals to Goliath. He's out of control. Up to a point. ("Old habits die hard -- he still has the forsight to plant a bug on Goliath ala "Awakening, Part Three".
Gotta love Goliath's line: "Not a good night for you." It's great as a writer when you can legitimately turn the tables and give Goliath a Xanatos line.
HALLOWEEN 2
Broadway REALLY wanted to dress up as a Detective. So he's got a new trenchcoat and hat. Brooklyn, ever the swashbuckler, is a pirate. And Lex... hmm... what should we make Lex. We settled on a pilot, in keeping with his helicopter prowess, I guess. But it was never too clear what Lex would or should be, and I can't help thinking that Lex had trouble deciding on a costume too.
Of course, Goliath doesn't wear a costume.
Vinnie has a line here. Though officially, it's not Vinnie's first appearance, this one line of Jeff Bennett spoken dialogue "A costume over a costume." is the obvious inspiration for all that followed with the Vinster.
And I love Keith as that witch saying "That is a great, great costume." What a great, great line reading.
BEAUTY & THE BEAST. Finally, we get to hit the nail on the head. A moment so romantic (in a very romantic episode) that even the characters take note. Elisa lets her self go for a moment. Goliath just is. The kids are happy for them.
But "Things are not always as they seem". Goliath breaks the moment by attacking a guy in a werewolf costume.
Note: That Goliath now refers to Manhattan as "My castle, my city." A year earlier (more or less) he was calling it Xanatos' city. I love the notion that Goliath sees hope in Xanatos LOVING someone. And of course, he's right. Xanatos' love for Fox (and later Alex) will result in Goliath getting the castle back. Not war, but love.
Brooklyn and Lex finally get to eat pretzyls. Remember that in Awakening, Broadway ate them all. Meanwhile Broadway eat's a hot dog and BELCHES MIGHTILY. This was really more about all of us indulging ourselves in low humor. We put the burp into the script. Bill Fagerbakke burped loudly. But our sound effects guy Paca Thomas, put in the burp to end all burps.
CONTINUITY AGAIN
--Lex gets very intense (briefly) and wants to go after FOX. He still hates anything or anyone connected to his Pack experience.
--The return of Brendan & Margot.
Gotta love Elisa's costume. Holster for a garter belt. Very sexy. Solved our nudity problem with Fox too. I'm amazed we got away with that.
In a larger sense, I'm amazed we got away with the entire episode. I was very nervous that the notion of X and Fox getting engaged would be rejected. But the BIG BOSSES didn't focus on the fact that the engagement might lead to marriage. And fortunately, they weren't paying attention when that engagement led to marriage, pregnancy and a kid. I don't think they would have allowed it.
I could have done without Broadway eating his hat.
Fox's internal conflict is visualized when she sees Elisa as herself and attacks to silence that human voice inside her once and for all.
When, in slow motion, Goliath intercepts Fox and saves Elisa (who's usually fairly self-sufficient) it may be the purest moment of Hero saving damsel we have in the series. The dress helps of course.
A little HIGHLANDER inspiration here with Fox and the exploding sign.
I love that Owen's right there with the helicopter.
X is still trying to interpret things to suit his old (and dated) world view. He thinks Goliath is trading the Eye for Fox, which of course he wasn't. Goliath doesn't think that way.
"Now you know my weakness."
"Only you would consider love a weakness."
"You've never looked more heroic."
"A momentary lapse, I assure you."
All great lines.
Let's go home.
And Owen, who signed on BECAUSE Fox and Xanatos were so interesting to the Puck, SMILES.
And now a word about the episode from Erin Sydney Weisman (she typed this herself):
I am most interested in this episode. And the episode I watched was a spooky episode. And I liked the episode, because it was a very enchanting episode.
Lexy writes...
Hi Greg:)
In response to my last question,(IE: Why did Lex create a business) you responded "because it was there".
Are you saying that the business Lex "creates" isn't created at all,but commandeered?
Was the business given to him by a still unknown (to us) character?
Greg responds...
No. He saw a nitch and filled it. With his partner.
(But mostly I was being a smart-ass.)
Lexette writes...
I'm just curious to know how Lex, Brook and Broadway became friends.
Greg responds...
They're brothers basically. They grew up together.
Sothis writes...
Dear Mr Weisman,
I'd just like to congratulate you on the Angela//Broadway relationship. What with Brooklyn being my favourite character, at first I wanted to see him win Angela's affections. However, you've opened up some very interesting possibilities (jealousy on the part of both Brooklyn and Broadway). However, how (if at all) did you plan to involve Lexington in such a story? After all, he, like Brooklyn, could be considered a lonely heart now.
Greg responds...
Lex would no longer be part of the Angela "hunt". For that matter, neither would Brooklyn. Both of these guys would have to go out and find love on their own. Separately.
Anonymous writes...
I herd that in the future Angela and Broadway would have
kids.Just how meny kids will they have.
Greg responds...
3
Ruthlis Ahbanden writes...
I'm well aware that this is a stupid question, but will Broadway ever loose any weight? I mean, he's a great character, I love him to death, but I think people sometimes can't take him seriously 'cause of his weight.
Greg responds...
He won't lose weight. But he may get taller and the weight may distribute a bit differently... (See "Future Tense")
But he'll NEVER be svelt. Not as long as I'm in charge.
And if people can't take him seriously because of his shape, then they have a serious problem with appearances. And they DON'T get the show.
Rebecca writes...
How old are Brooklyn , Broadway and Lex and how did you create their characters ?
Greg responds...
In 1994, they were 1036 years old. But the human equivalent of 18. How we created them is a long story, I suggest you look through the "Original Development File" archive here at Ask Greg, and if you still have questions come back and ask 'em.
Kayless writes...
P.S.
This is going to sound amazingly retarded but are Coldstone and Broadway related? I ask this because the two have similar skin tones, the unique 'fanned' ears, and Coldstone's hair is white like Broadway's father, Hudson (assuming Hudson's hair has always been white). Hudson supposedly has a child from Goliath's generation, so that fits with Coldstone. Spurious evidence perhaps, but nothing ventured nothing gained. Feel free to hand me the dunce's cap. <:(
God, I need sleep.
Greg responds...
They may be related -- they're from the same clan after all, but they aren't biological brothers if that's what you are asking.
John writes...
Hi Greg,
One more question comming up from the archives:
In an message, "Puck 40" told you some of his favorite episodes. Then he says something like "I hate Broadway, but in Future Tense, he was fantastic", or so.
Then, in your awnser, you wrote "What, you hate Broadway?".
Well, it may surprise you, but there are MANNY people, that really HATE Broadway!!! Well, I could live with the charakter, but sometimes, he is just so dumb and stupid...wooah! Then it is really hard to like him.
He is the last "Comic remained person" in Gargoyles, I think, cause he allways done the wrong thing, like in "Deadly force".
And then the thing with Angela... some are really expecting that Brooklyn would be her mate, but then he choses Broadway, and some people I know, are sitting with a confused look in front of theyr tv, saying "WHAT??".
But I won´t tell to much, here comes my question:
What did you like on Broadway, and what did you hate on him? It would be nice, to see what you are thinking about him. I hope, that you could get some good words for him.
CU, John
Greg responds...
I don't hate anything about him. And I'll all but guarantee I've given him more thought than you. I also don't think he's stupid. He was immature when we first met him, but he's arguably matured more than almost any other character. The hard way. He's sensitive. Attentive. Learns from his mistakes.
Seems like a great guy to me. And to Angela as well.
Mary Mack writes...
How did Lex get dressed? I've heard the backstory about the Mage of Rome and all, but adopting minimum human body taboos seems like a bit of a challenge (at least!) for web-winged gargoyles.
Greg responds...
He has pierced wings.
Lexy writes...
Hello again:)
(re-post) ..*hits head* *grumbles* ya..I knew that..why did I post all these together..*sighs* ok here they are again!
1) Did Lexington _willingly_ ally himself with this partner knowing fully WHO the person was? (IE: was this a silent partner or did he actually have contact with the person and know basic things like there name, sex, SPECIES? *L*)
2) Did Lexington _willingly_ ally himself with this partner knowing full well their true motives? (whatever they might be..)
3) I suppose this is a dumb question considering we are talking about Lex here..but are we talking about a software type company? Games? VR systems like Future Tense? Or did you not have anything SO specific in mind?
4) Can you tell us why Lexington started this business at all?
5) Have we seen or heard of this partner yet? (*L* You said I might find this partner surprising.now is that ME or everyone else included? *jk*
6) You said this company would have reprocusions (sp) all the way up to 2158 (hopes she got that date right!)
Would these reprocusions be bad, good or a little of both? (mostly bad..mostly good..etc. etc.)'
Dare I ask a Lexington's mate Q? ^_^ ..ahh..you don't have to answer that one..
7) Will Lexington's mate be 100% gargoyle?
8) How long does Lexington's company last?
Ok..your right..I used the word 'depressed' out of line. How would I know if he was or not? Sorry bout that one.
Greg responds...
1. He knew.
2. Who can ever know someone's true motives?
3. I have something very specific in mind.
4. I could.
5. I'm not answering that now.
6. I'm not answering that now.
7. I'm not answering that now.
8. I'm not answering that now.
dj writes...
In the original wyvern clan didd you knoww who lex's mother would be
Greg responds...
Lex had a lot of mothers. Quit thinking like a human.
Nyrtleka writes...
You said that Broadway has a sibling, presumably a sister, named Hyppolyta. Where is she currently--- on Avalon? Was she slaughtered at the Wyvern massacre?
Greg responds...
She's dead. I'm not saying more than that now.
puck40 writes...
Greg responds...
Wow. Thanks. Yeah!! All of you! What are your top five favorite episodes and WHY? I'd really like to know. I'm guessing we'll get a lot of repetition, but what the hell.
You hate Broadway?
To which I respond....
I *used* to despise him. He never openly just popped out and was fun for me. Out of anyone on the show, he was the comic relief or stupid one, and I could've done without it. Brook I like for his sarcasm. Lex had the fun intelligence. Hudson wisdom. Goliath leadership. Bronx loyalty. Broadway... comic relief?
Thats what he seemed to be about at first. Or he was the one that made the mistakes. Firing the gun shooting elisa. He came across as really stupid that episode to me. When he wasn't stupid, pissed to the extent that... it was his fault, and it seemed like he was taking all his problems out on others. I mean... *poor* Glasses, to be picked up by your head like that. A very one tracked mind. He had a little saving grace in the Silver Falcon. You seemed to be trying to smarten him up. With Lighthouse too(i know I listed out of order). Though that episode have to admit... I wasn't paying attention to Broadway at all. Was trying to ignore him and just watch Macbeth with the Arthur speech. hee hee
Anycase, when he was portrayed in Future Tense. My opinion changed somewhat. I mean, this was what he could've become. Not blind, but he had the common sense, he didn't seem naive. regular series he would've of pressed that button on his collar until someone told him too probably. "Already on it Lex". He seemed like he had the experience of life. He came across as generally with a lot of development. I hope Puck was foreshadowing something there with him.
I hated Broadway. I see him more as the sensitive deducting one now with potential. So now I more tolerate him. Afterall, he did have that moment when I genuinely liked him in Future Tense.
later
Greg responds...
I'm glad your assessment softened a bit. But frankly, I think your earlier assessment was fairly harsh.
We got comic relief from nearly all our characters. No more from Broadway than anyone else, it seems to me.
Broadway, of course, was the "sensitive one" (as opposed to the "sarcastic one" and the "intelligent one", I guess). Nothing wrong with that in my book. All three of the trio made mistakes. In fact all of our characters have made mistakes. Broadway's BIG mistake in Deadly Force was just way more serious in its consequences than most. But one could argue that Brooklyn's mistake in Temptation was more active and could have had even worse consequences. Etc.
Broadway, for part of that episode, did take his mistake out on others. Many of us react that way. In the end, he stood up and took responsibility for his actions. And that was before he knew Elisa was alive, to "tell on him".
But, hey, just my opinion.
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