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Craig> That line of thinking really amuses me considering other channels would rerun past episodes with no big consideration about whether it lands on the holiday or not or whether they'd rerun in production order or not. Though sometimes when the holiday season came around they'd make special events where they'd air compilations of holiday episodes (usually Christmas) of different shows together.
Matthew the Fedora Guy
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When Gargoyles aired, kids' cartoons were obviously much less serialized, and I think the idea of specifying a time of year was generally avoided so the episodes could air year-round and make kids feel like they're happening "now." I heard a podcast once with Jymn Magon, where he said the TaleSpin Christmas episode was something he had to fight for because Disney really didn't love the idea of holiday episodes. They viewed it as an episode they could only show once a year, which seemed like a bad investment.
Craig

MATTHEW - Yes, that does remind me of the fact (that I've brought up here before) that "The Spectacular Spider-Man" and "Young Justice" did more following the year's cycle and its landmarks than "Gargoyles" did (though Thanksgiving did make it into "Gargoyles Quest").

I'd like to see an animated series in the mythic fantasy genre (in this case, set in the modern world like "Gargoyles") that would take the same "journeying through the year" approach that "The Spectacular Spider-Man" and "Young Justice" took. (Maybe one with human leads, who'd be more likely to be participating in those same landmarks than the gargoyle would - apart from Halloween, of course.)

Todd Jensen

Thanks. Valentine's Day is interesting in that it's been important in shows like Spectacular Spider-Man and Young Justice but not in Gargoyles. I
Matthew the Fedora Guy
You're Gonna Carry That Weight

Happy Valentine's Day, everyone.
Todd Jensen

I have nothing to add, just also confirming that the chat is working.
Though it's a shame I don't have anything more to say on the latest issue at this time.

Matthew the Fedora Guy
You're Gonna Carry That Weight

Testing to see if the room's still working.
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[SPOILER] Speaking of names, I still really like "Gandersnatch the Great" as the name of the wizard who'd built that vault the Quackronomicon is sealed away in. It evokes "bandersnatch" from the poem "Jabberwocky", very appropriate here because it came from "Through the Looking-Glass", which also featured a strange world beyond a mirror. (Not the first time Greg Weisman's made use of that poem; I recall Adam Strange reciting it in Season two of "Young Justice".) The "Gander" part of his name matches the avian-themed names of "Darkwing Duck" - with the additional bonus that the first syllable is "Gand", which evokes a famous wizard. (That last part might have been just a coincidence, if a fortunate one - but I'm certain about the first two.) [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen

[SPOILER] Man, I hope those Three Stooges names aren't canon, but I have a feeling they are. That's so goofy.
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Craig

A few thoughts on #2.

[SPOILER] We now have names for the other two street thugs - and they also match the Three Stooges. (With the possibility of some small debate over whether they're canon, since it appears in an "apocrypha" story.)

Darkwing stuck "statue-sitting" was a very entertaining moment.

And now we get the jealousy moment for him towards Goliath - if brought about by one of Demona's spells. (I liked the touch of Elisa being aware of Demona's own jealousy towards her.)

When Darkwing referred to Goliath as a glorified "lawn gnome", I wondered whether that was a reference to the "Freakazoid" parody (probably the best-known take-off on "Gargoyles").

And, naturally, Gosslyn, in spite of Darkwing's precautions, gets into the adventure after all - leading to a big show-down with her and Demona at the cliffhanger.

It continues to be a very fun read. [/SPOILER]

Todd Jensen

Was waiting for the next issue to drop before commenting...and now it has!

[SPOILER] Yay! The obligatory misunderstanding leading to a fight between two heroes! Or at least a very short one that's easily resolved by holding someone up by the cape.

This was a short one that continues the humorous tone from the first issue. Actually, I'm a little disappointed that there's not as much story to this one. First issue introduces the hook and the characters to each other but this one feels like it's mostly bridging the opener with the new twist in the plot that will kick off the third issue. Not that there's anything wrong with this. Just wanted a little more.

Goliath being the straight man is nothing new, but what was surprising was Demona getting in on some of the comedic tone. Her new spell (I'll leave the proper translation to someone else or wait until I've had a chance to sleep) is basically glorified tickle torture with a name that wouldn't sound out of place in Dr. Strange. "Flogging Feathers of Flagellicus?" Why do I feel that Greg came up with that years ago and was just waiting for the right moment to use it?

Getting back to the obligatory conflict, I do like that it plays on DW's established insecurities and ego. Guy may be a hero but he hates being upstaged and doesn't like anyone hitting on his honey wumpus. And I have to give credit to Frank and Greg, the Green-Eyed Monster sounds like the kind of magical artifact that could exist in each of their respective universes. It looks like it only affects people with some established envy which is why it works so well on Darkwing and Demona. Considering how often Demona loves to use arcane artifacts to amplify her abilities or attack her assailants, it's a nice change when she finds out she's not immune to the very magics she employs. Hoisted by her own "canard" as it were.

But the game's not over and now it looks like we've traded one hostage for another. Though I pity Demona and her attempts to get Gosalyn to do anything cooperative.

A couple of little things: I like the tired tone from Morgana over Darkwing's antics, takes a lot of patience to date the Terror that Flaps in the Night. And DW? Goliath's voiced by Keith David, Morgana's allowed at least one "woof." One small detail I liked was that the comic remembered Archie communicates mostly through grumbling. It's the little touches. Oh, and who wants to guess that Gandersnatch's Riddle is actually something really mundane? [/SPOILER]


That's all for now, can't wait for issue 3!

Matthew the Fedora Guy
You're Gonna Carry That Weight

Great observation love how you drew the clever parallels between the episodes’ humor and magical elements
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Another thought I just had about #1 of the "Gargoyles"/"Darkwing Duck" crossover. [SPOILER] Naturally, a crossover with "Darkwing Duck" will bring the more comedic elements of "Gargoyles" to the surface to match "Darkwing"'s atmosphere. Probably the most comical episode in "Gargoyles" was "Vendettas", and we saw the parallels there - the pie-gun scene, obviously, and also Darkwing and Launchpad's "Big Apple" discussion (as I pointed out last week, "Vendettas" was the episode of "Gargoyles" that had Hudson puzzling over how New York got that nickname.

But there are some strong echoes of "The Mirror" here, which fits because that episode also had a very comedic atmosphere. Demona again uses a magical mirror (and this mirror is also named after a Shakespearean character) to capture another magic-worker, with Demona even referring to her capture of Puck as she chains Morgana up. (And Matt brought up last week the similarity between Titania's Mirror and Dromio's Mirror.) [/SPOILER]

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Phil

Third.

And maybe in light of issue number 2 coming up so soon, perhaps I'll hold off commenting on issue 1, other than to mention that my shop did come through with it on schedule (though the clerk seemed a little confused about big ol' me getting a "Darkwing Duck" comic) and that it was as much of a delight as it should have been. Otherwise, I think anything I'd have to say has been said already.

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Second!

Yeah, if only we had new material every week. Haha

Matt
"My daughter?! How dare you mock me! I have no daughter." - Demona, 1996

First.

And #2 of the "Gargoyles"/"Darkwing Duck" crossover will be coming out this Wednesday after all, rather than getting delayed as a result of #1's delay, a pleasant surprise.

Todd Jensen