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Antiyonder writes...
Most of us have been talking about the yet to be released Volume of Gargoyles, whether it's in the comment room or submitting in the Ask A Question. I do agree that that the Disney blaming has gone overboard at times (I'm guilty of it as well). I can't speak for everyone of course, but I'm going to do my best to describe why we tend to blame the company so to speak (I know you don't mean any offense). Since, you have more business experience than some of us, your POV would be helpful.
1. Again part of the reason why we aren't seeing anymore DVDs are lack of purchases from the previous sets. Yes part of it is due to lack of sales, but also lack of advertising. It's not just DVDs, but with say network television (Not just with Disney). Aside from quality there are many reasons a show would turn up with low ratings, like:
- Lack of commericals, hence the viewer doesn't know it exist.
- The show is aired so much that the viewer gets tired of it, or so little they don't have a chance to draw in fans. Odd thing about that is that a particular program is aired constantly when it only has 13/26 episodes, yet when/if it has 65-78 episode, then it's not aired so often. Should be the other way around.
- The show is aired in a timeslot that most people don't watch.
It just seems like the higher ups don't really understand their audience, or they do but don't want to take responsibility. After all, admiting to a mistake is viewed by some to be a sign of shame and humiliation rather than being responsible.
1a. Also, with the comics, I heard sales lowered for #3. That's due of course to lack of a consistant release. My question is if Disney will acknowledge that lower sales are due to delaying approval, or will they assume that the comic itself is the problem. You can count on us hardcore (in my case semi-hardcore) fans to stick with it to the end, but as has been said in the comment room newcomers or casual buyers are going to be put off by the delays if it keeps up. Regardless, I'm trusting that the situation should improve.
2. Then there's the concept of money. It seems like the higher ups in the business never heard of the saying "You have to spend money to make money". It just seems like with any product (DVD, Comics, etc) they expect to make a fortune by investing a few cents (not literaly mind you).
2a. I know that companies like Disney are in the business to make money and I repsect that. The problem is it seems their ambition is more of an obsession. For instance, I know that you're sure as heck not doing all of this work for free, but for you the money isn't a one-tracked mind thing. Same could be said of folks like Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, Tom Defalco, Peter David, Steve Loter, Mark McCorkie, Bob Schooley.
I really hope this came across as a constructive complaint, rather than a mindless hatefilled rant. After all, I'm not always good at using the right words, to voice my opinion.
Greg responds...
You're preaching to the converted, but there is an element of naivete here. Marketing costs money. Disney has LITTLE evidence that they can make much money off of Gargoyles relative to what they could make off of, say, Power Rangers. So they are less inclined to spend the FINITE amount of money they have to promote a product which will without a doubt be profitable, but which without a doubt won't be AS profitable as others they might release. That's called "Opportunity cost".
Gargoyles was a good bet for them, when (a) it seemed that the fans would do all the marketing work for them... making the release very inexpensive and (b) the sales seemed relatively high... making the profit margin relatively high. But when the fans do NOT do the marketing for them and when the sales aren't high, then Gargoyles seems like less the good bet.
Again, I'm not saying that the marketing SHOULD be the fans responsibility. I'm simply saying that if the fans do not take responsibility, then no one will.
Companies don't have obsessions. People do. Individuals run companies, which is why as companies have employee turnover, the character of the place and the opportunites shit and alter. But comparing Peter David with "DISNEY" is truly comparing apples and ... I don't know... steam engines.
So in the end, yours is NOT a "constructive complaint". (Though it's not a hate-filled rant either.) It's just a complaint. Period. And you're entitled to complain. Believe me. But now that you've complained, the question is both individually and collectively, what's your NEXT move? Just more complaining? Or do you want to find a new way to help us SPREAD THE WORD?
Moeen writes...
Hi Greg,
First off, many thanks for helping keeping Gargoyles alive. I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but given that it takes the equivalent of two or three bimonthly comics to complete the equivalent of an episode, it would take about five or six years to complete a dozen episodes. At this rate it would be years before we even manage to scratch the surface of the storylines you have planned. Comparatively much slower that the TV series. If the comics prove successful (as I'm hoping they will), would it be possible to pick up the pace a bit? :-)
(Of course I'm grateful to have new storylies at whatever pace, so thanks for the comics.)
Greg responds...
Anything's possible, but to go monthly would mean that the book would have to do substantially better financially in order to pay substantially more to the creative staff. BUT with the addition of Gargoyles:Bad Guys, we will at least be putting out some Garg material EVERY month.
Revel writes...
Hello!
Just wanted you to know that it was worth the wait and all the years of fun, cons, and promoting to get the comics. From what it sounds like you are enjoying writing them as much as we are enjoying reading them and may many more come! You would be upset by how difficult it is to even find a comic shop around here, hell up at my college there were two within walking distance. But we remain ever vigilant. This next time I'm going to take the poster SLG gave us at the con to see if they will hang it in thier shop, that's the least I can do.
So thnaks again Greg, and thanks for sticking with us as much as we stuck with you.
Greg responds...
It's all mutual, dude!
Jason Aiken writes...
Hey Greg,
Not really any questions...
Loving the new Gargoyles comic. #1 and #2 really layed out the Gargoyles world and backstory as good as it could be done in two issues. #3 really started the new stuff off right with a lot of favorite characters (of mine anyway) returning. I am especially glad that you are including Matt Bluestone in a large supporting role.
Even though the characters aren't being animated, I believe that Hedgecock and Evans are doing a fantastic job of giving them life. The looks on Brooklyn's face during a few instances so far are a good example of this. It's obvious that he isn't happy with his personal situation and maybe even his place in the clan.
Keep up the great work, Gargoyles ranks up there with DCAU Library as my favorite cartoons and I'm glad the Gargs are continuing in comic form. Looking forward to the Bad Guys mini as well... that lineup would give the Gargs a run for their money.
Greg responds...
Thanks... we're excited about Gargoyles: Bad Guys too. I'm currently writing issue #2.
Tony writes...
Gargoyles #1 - Cover Art: Awesome
Gargoyles #2 - Cover Art: Average
Gargoyles #3 - Cover Art: Awesome
Gargoyles #4 - Cover Art: Average?
I love the comics, truly I do, but how do I ask this without sounding unappreciative, why isn't the inside artwork as awesome as the above cover art? Is it a time issue?
Greg responds...
Well, I'll answer why it isn't the SAME inside as outside. The cover artist is Greg Guler, the inspirational designer of such characters as Goliath, Elisa, Demona and Angela and the lead character designer of the second season of the show and a partner in creaturecomics.com.
He barely has time to do the covers for us, as he's a busy animation professional with a full time job or two.
The interiors are by David Hedgecock.
Two different artists, two different styles. Greg has known these characters for a decade; David's just getting to know them in the first few issues. Give him time...
Matt writes...
How does the writing process differ between the comic and the show? Since you guys often butted heads over ideas for the show, and ultimately ended up making good decisions, do you feel that being the sole writer of the comic loses that synergy?
Greg responds...
Probably. That's inevitable. But there's still quite a bit of collaboration with the various artists on the book, and that helps.
And frankly, no one else has been as immersed in this as I have been, so at this stage I might chafe a bit more than I did back then, when we were ALL coming to it fresh.
Dallen817(David T.Allen) writes...
First I need to ask why you and your team why you don't intergrate The Goliaths Cronicles into your new comics series. Secont could you put a link to ask or make our coments on the new comics series some whare on the CreatureComics web site. Third I've read the previouse Gargoyels Comics I've seen all the episodes from both searies and picked up the two sets of Dvds and I wish for you to try and ad all the searies together like George Lukas has done with his property Star Wars. The continuety is complete from films to novels,cartoons to comics and the through line is a complete vision.
Greg responds...
1. I had nothing (or next to nothing) to do with Goliath Chronicles. I believe (with some evidence) that most of the fandom agrees with me that much of that series was not up to the standard of the original 65 Gargoyles episodes. Beyond that, most new readers wouldn't be aware of Goliath Chronicles anyway. Given that I find even watching those episodes distasteful, it didn't seem to profit anyone to include them in the canon. Now, I acknowledge that this will upset a few fans who are fond of those episodes. But, hey, that's life. My question to you is... are you actually fond of them... or are you just a completist?
2. The link is there. It leads you HERE to ASK GREG. This is the forum to post comments. Your other option is to send snail mail to the address SLG has provided.
3. I have no interest in doing that. I have a complete vision, and it includes the original 65 episodes and the SLG Comic book. Again, my apologies if that isn't satisfactory to you. And obviously, I can't speak to George Lucas, what he may or may not have done, why he may or may not have done it, but creatively the notion of trying to tie in versions of the show that I had little or nothing to do with and don't in fact fit my VISION of the show, seems counterproductive to the creative process. By extension, that would force me to include every piece of fan fiction ever written or ever to be written, constantly revising my vision every time somebody had a notion about the property. Think of Goliath Chronicles and the Marvel Comics series and Disney Adventures and the old video game and etc. as PAID fanfiction, and you may come closer to understanding my position.
Or not. And that's your perogative.
Yiding writes...
First of all, thanks for giving us as entertaining series as GARGOYLES.
As for my question, now that new stories are being told in comic book format, do you think you'll ever use storytelling techniques more suited for comics than animation (e.g. first-person narration boxes), or is that too much of a deviation after so many episodes on TV for your tastes? I'm unsure of which I'd prefer myself.
Greg responds...
I'm going to explore the medium I'm in.
Gabriel writes...
Hey Greg
Congrats on getting caught up with the que (at least for the moment).
Picked up Issues 2 and 3 today. (almost missed them, as Golden Apple had them in the Kids section while I was expecting them to be in the Alterntaive section, but I found them, so all is well).
Anyway I love the image on the last page! I'm hoping for a few rockin' panels of Talon vs. Thailog in issue 4, seeing as how they are 2 of my favorite characters, both visually and psychologicaly.
There were quite a few references to series history, most I caught, but for a few I had to really dredge though my memory (and the ask greg archives) to get them, since I haven't seen any of the second half of season 2 since it aired. (and yes I am spreading the word about both the comic and the DVD's that are out in the continuing hope that the sales numbers will reach the levels BVHV requires for that last set to be released.)
I love the Illuminati machinations that you're setting up. I always enjoy "wheels within wheels".
Okay here's a question since this is "Ask Greg":
Are the comic sales numbers reaching levels that will ensure production beyond the "Clan Building" arc? The greenlight for "Bad Guys" makes me think that numbers are doing good, but I don't want to take anything for granted. Especially after many of us blindly assumed we'd get Season 2 vol. 2.
One final note- You've had a rather expensive influence on my DVD impulse buying habits. I picked up Ben 10 season 1 on DVD having seen none of the show, solely on your recomendation at the Gathering last year. Totally worth it, by the way. I also picked up Gummi Bears Vol. 1, but that was an equal part personal nostalgia as much as that series influence on you for Gargoyles.
Anyway keep up the good work, looking forward to future issues of Gargoyles.
Oh also congrats on the Spider-Man gig, I'm totally stoked for that series! (Are you gonna set up a place to ask you about that series so we don't bog down this site with non-Garg questions? like that one :) )
Ciao,
Gabriel
Greg responds...
I know I'm not totally caught up (again), but I don't feel too bad about it now. 65 messages, only a few weeks behind. We're at least in the ballpark. But managing one ASK GREG site is plenty. So Spider-Questions'll have to come here as well.
I don't know how we're doing sales-wise, to be honest. I think the phrase "don't take anything for granted" is wise. I don't think we're in any immediate danger of cancellation, but it seems to me that this is a business of fairly thin margins.
Onyx writes...
You mentioned in an earlier response that you've 'cast' the new characters in the comic, which I found very interesting as I'm also one of those people who hears the voices of the established characters (especially Owen and Xanatos). Any chance you'd share the casting decisions you made, so we'll know what you think the new guys sound like?
Greg responds...
Maybe someday, but not yet. Before I start putting too many beyond the page ideas in peoples' heads, I want them to be able to experience and interpret for themselves. It's a hard thing to do. It takes some discipline, and I've already slipped up a few times. On one level, I'm eager to discuss all the whys and wherefores behind my choices, but it really is cheating in a way. If the book can't stand on its own merits, than... well... I'm screwed anyway.
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