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Abigail Thorne writes...

Your posts of the Episode Memos (which are unbearably cool, in my humble opinion) got me thinking about something. You know how some shows have episode guide books that include plot summaries, behind-the-scenes info, bloopers, cast interviews, favorite scenes/quotes, and tons of trivia (for example, the various Star Trek series, The X-Files, and the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" Watcher Guide)? Have you ever considered publishing an episode guide for "Gargoyles"? If it sold well, Disney might consider reviving the series. Just a thought.

Greg responds...

I'd love to. Do you know any publishers who might be interested? (Cuz unfortunately, I don't.)

Response recorded on August 21, 2000

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Brandon Hardy writes...

Could you tell me some way to contact disney in some way I'm trying my hardest to support the show because i have high hopes of gettihg back on. Thank you

Greg responds...

Again, at this point, the best way to support the show and get it back on the air is to attend the GATHERING 2001 in Los Angeles next summer. Bring friends. Particularly friends with kids. But TONS of people are the best way for us to show the execs that the show needs to be revived.

Response recorded on August 21, 2000

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mike writes...

hi i love gargoyles and really want to see new episodes and was really looking forward to new episodes please if in the near future would you ever think about new episodes??? because i know that it's on toon disney but please ???

Greg responds...

Not really up to me. But if you want to see New episodes, the best thing you can do is to show up at the GATHERING 2001 in Los Angeles next summer. If we get enough people, we'll bring Disney execs and show them what they're missing.

Response recorded on August 21, 2000

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Damien writes...

I've just recently gotten into Gargoyles and love it so far, especially Demona. I have to say that I really feel sorry for the way she's been treated by humans in the past and it explains her behaviour when she meets Goliath again.
I loved the animation, even 'Enter Macbeth' wasn't that bad (the storyline compensates for the animation I suppose).
I'd have to say that the overall concept (good monsters fighting evil) was aimed at kids. But the individul
episodes, plots and storylines (including Shakespeare characters and plays) attracted an older audience.
I love the idea of the interspecies romance between Elisa and Goliath. It brings the two races together. This also probably attracted an older audience. If gargoyles was ever revived on television again, would you consider putting it on a channel that more adults watched? It might help the ratings of the show.
I was disappointed to learn that the I was watching re-runs of the show.
I can't wait to see the movie and I'm sure it will encourage Disney to revive the show again.

Greg responds...

I'd put the show on whatever channel would take it, frankly.

Response recorded on August 19, 2000

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Anonymous writes...

Comment for thought: When I went to some "The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest" sites, I saw a note that the producers had sent to answer questions about how they linked the '90's version to the 70's version of the show. The new writers stated that they, being big Quest fanatics, had looked over the old series, the 80's series, and two movies. They decided that the two movies and 80's series didn't conform to the 70's series so they said that the movies and 80's series would be nice fiction but, as far as they were concerned, never existed. If and when you ever bring "Gargoyles" back, you could just say that TGC were nice episodes but they had nothing to do with "Gargoyles" and you can start from where you left off.

Greg responds...

I'm leaning toward not including those 12 episodes in the canon, and if necessary, using the internet to explain.

But it won't be my decision alone, unfortunately.

Response recorded on August 02, 2000

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Phil (repost by Aris) writes...

Greg, thanks for your time.

I'd like to offer my treatise on the status of Disney TV animation. As a former development exec you're uniquely qualified to comment on my thoughts. This can go under the category: Bringing Gargoyles Back.

First let me say that I became a Gargoyles fan because I was already a Disney fan. I enjoyed almost everything on the Disney Afternoon: Gummi Bears, Tale Spin, Aladdin, etc. (My friends joke that if Pokemon were renamed Disney's Pokemon I'd love that too.)

Although Disney's acquisition of Captial Cities/ABC was a great move for the company as a whole, it was a blow to the creativity level of TV animation. After its first eclectic year of finishing off projects in progress, Disney's Saturday morning lineup hit its stride with "One Saturday Morning." An entire line-up of cartoons on a single theme: pre-teens in school.

I really enjoyed Doug, Recess, and Pepper Ann at first. Now, however, in their third (Doug's fourth) seasons, it's getting a little redundant. Even last week's premier of a new show, The Weekenders, was somewhat familiar. Disney's syndicated series (formerly Disney Afternoon, now Disney's One Too) are also the same ones we see on Saturday.

This doesn't bode well for the return of Gargoyles. Unless your Dark Ages spinoff focuses on the trio as kids, it just doesn't fit into the precast mold. What's a Gargoyles fan to do? Barring Saturday morning and syndication, I see two other alternatives.

First, the hour-long prime-time drama. This is an intriguing and exciting idea. Something new and different. A recent USA Today interview with Bob Iger (Disney's new president) vaunted his support for new and different ideas. A dramatic cartoon, however, may be a little too different.

A second obstacle to the prime-time drama idea is the change in audience. Goliath's clan would require too much review and explanation to get a new audience up to speed. Perhaps one of the spin-offs that doesn't have as much pre-established history would work in this format (Pendragon, New Olympians).

That leaves only one viable option for the Manhattan clan: Toon Disney. The Disney Channel started its sister operation over a year ago to compete with the Cartoon Network owned by AOL / Time / Warner / Turner / Hanna-Barbera / etc. (PS: How does that compare to Xanatos's conglomeration? Sorry. Separate question, separate post.)

There is one primary difference between Cartoon Network and Toon Disney: original programming. As much as I like Gummi Bears, DuckTales, Tale Spin, etc., a man can only watch so many reruns. I see this as an excellent outlet for pent up creativity in the Disney TV animation department. They could go beyond the cookie cutter Saturday shows and direct-to-video movie sequels and do new and different things with less risk, since Toon Disney does't rely on advertising.

Toon Disney could ovbiously benefit from a little corporate attention. Their decision not to show "Deadly Force" tells me that there's not a lot of thought going into programming. Whatever is gathering dust in the Disney and DIC vaults is put on the air as long as it's appropriate for little kids, according to some clerk.

It is my conclusion that the best bet for bringing back Gargoyles is Toon Disney, but only if the Company is seriously interested in making it a competitive challenger to the Cartoon Network and not just a dumping ground for old programs.

This turned out to be a longer ramble than I expected, but thanks again for your time, Greg.

Greg responds...

Toon Disney, as far as I know right now, does not have the budget to make new episodes of ANYTHING.

And I don't see anyone making an hour primetime animated drama anytime soon.

So in the short term, neither of your suggestions seems viable.

But I'm in this for the long haul. And over time, things change. Syndication is dismal, but ABC's Saturday Morning could shake up. Once upon a time, the Disney Channel had no budget for original programming either. Now they do. They currently aren't interested in Gargoyles. (I know. I asked.) But that could change in a year or two. (And if the live-action movie comes out, it could change overnight.) And some day, Toon Disney could get the money to make something.

Even the primetime arena could change.

And tv is no longer our only resource.

So don't give up. Four years ago, I warned everyone that bringing GARGOYLES back had become a long-term quest. So far most of you have stuck with me. Stick it out a few years longer. I really do think your loyalty will pay off.

Response recorded on August 01, 2000

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M.A.Heath writes...

Are you and Buena Vista gonna keep the Gargoyle series alive
or is this it?

Greg responds...

It's not really up to me. I don't currently work for Disney/Buena Vista. But I hope to someday manage to bring Gargoyles back.

(No one ever reads the archives.)

Response recorded on July 30, 2000

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Matt writes...

will there be more gargoyle shows?

Greg responds...

I sure hope so.

Response recorded on July 29, 2000

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joe c. writes...

I would like to know when will the "Gargoyles" series be on tv again.

Greg responds...

So would I.

Response recorded on July 26, 2000

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Cyberwolf writes...

I dont know if any body knows this but DVD Animania has aGargoyles petition going on, right now they have about 220 signatures. If were ever going to see any gargoyles dvd's theyre going to need a lot more so please help.

Greg responds...

Uh, a link might have helped.

But thanks for helping me spread the word. Everybody, please, sign up!!

Response recorded on July 24, 2000

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Laura aka 'ad astra' writes...

Glad to see Ask Greg running again! I had downloaded the old archives, (or most of them) sometime last year. I checked periodically and it seemed the page was down. I gave up on the Ask Greg page and only checked it again on a lark. It took me weeks to read through everything!

Oh, a question-

You seem to have a much more optimistic view on the series coming back then when last I checked in. Has something changed? To be more precise- Before you seemed to say "long shot at best for the series in any form, even the live action movie seems dead". Now the movie doesn't sound dead, and the long term revival hopes good, (lost the quote, sorry). I am much heartened, and almost as curious.

I have many more questions to follow, but for now I want to say thank you for doing this, and thanks to Gorebash for running it.

Greg responds...

The movie isn't a lost cause. It hasn't progressed an inch really, but normally after this much time that would result in its death. They'd give up. But they absolutely haven't given up. In fact, they've just hired a NEW writer. Touchstone/Disney REALLY, REALLY wants to make this movie. So that keeps me optimistic. (And the success of X-Men doesn't hurt either.)

I don't love that Toon Disney is editing episodes and refuses to air "Deadly Force". But they ARE airing the show about twice a day. That gives me hope.

I haven't given up in any way, shape or form. I'm still in there trying to come up with ways to bring the show back in some, well, way, shape or form. In fact, I've got a new nefarious plan in the works now with Doug Murphy, a former GARGOYLES (and BAD GUYS) storyboard artist. Too soon to talk about now, but give me time.

The response here at ASK GREG is overwhelming. That means fan interest still exists. And I'm VERY heartened by the continuing success of the GATHERINGS. That gives me hope.

In fact, people ask me what they can do to help bring the show back, and what has become clear to me is that the best single way a fan can help is by attending one or more GATHERINGS. Aside from the sheer FUN FACTOR of the convention, it is the raw numbers in attendance that will help me prove to the powers that be at Disney that the show is still viable and ready to return. Come to Orlando next month. PLEASE. It's gonna be GREAT. Guests include myself, Thom Adcox, Brad Rader and Greg Guler.

And without doubt, plan to come to next years GATHERING in Los Angeles. I guarantee we will have over twenty members of the cast and crew in attendance. And if the fan attendance numbers are big enough, we will bring Disney Execs and show them first hand the opportunity they are missing out on. Do NOT MISS THAT ONE if you want to see the show back on the air.

Response recorded on July 18, 2000

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Bubbles writes...

Hey I'm a realy big fan of Gargoyles and I have two questions.
1. I was just wondering if it were true that there is a Gargoyle movie being made?

2. Do you think that Disney or who ever will ever ask you and your crew to make Gargoyles again?

Thanks for you time!

Greg responds...

1. Yes. It's in development at Touchstone pictures. They have a new writer, Simon Kinberg, who should turn in a first draft script in October.

2. I hope so. I think so too.

Response recorded on July 17, 2000

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Jade writes...

Dear Greg,
Thank you so much for responing to my Q's. It really made me feel a lot better to know that my Q's were going to the right place. I've wacthed a few of your Max Steel shows. I think it'll be a great show. But any way on to the Q's.
1. I've looked along the archives and didn't find this question, so here it goes. Is there any way to get the show back up? I've tryed every thing I could thank of! I wrote tons of letters to Buena Vista, and at first they were nice about it then on my, oh I don't know, my tenth letter? They wrote back telling me NOT TO WRITE THEM AGAIN, can you belive that I can't. I've even called Walt Disney, and what about that they put me on hold forever! Okay that felt good getting that of my chest. Anyway if you lost the question it my "ramblings" here it is:

1. Is there any way to get the show back up?
And please don't tell me to look at the archives again. I did't want that to sound rude but it came out rude, sorry.

Greg responds...

1. Uh, did you look at the archive marked "BRINGING GARGOYLES BACK"? I mean I know you asked me not to send you to the archives, but you couldn't have looked very hard. There's an ENTIRE category where I've answered almost every variation of this question.

THe short answer is ATTEND the next two Gatherings. The one in Orlando next month and the one in Los Angeles in the summer of 2001. The best way to get the show back is to prove to Disney that the fandom is huge, intense and ready to spend money on the show. Attend the Gatherings and get as many of your friends to attend with you as possible.

Response recorded on July 11, 2000

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Blaise writes...

An addendum to my thoughts on DEADLY FORCE:

I share your anger and dismay that Toon Disney is being so small-minded about this. Maybe now's the time to mention something I posted here earlier but was lost in one of the MUCH earlier "no questions in the queue" (sp?) glitch.
I have compiled a list of many of Toon Disney's edits to "Gargoyles" so that I may write a letter protesting each of them. Unfortunately, I don't have the address. Where do I send this letter?

Also, do you think it would be a good idea to use "hot-button" words, such as "offensive" (ie, "I find your edits offensive")?
Thanks!

Greg responds...

I don't have the address, but it can't be that hard to find. Have you looked in TV GUIDE? Or for that matter, on the net?

As for "offensive", it depends on your context, I guess. If you say something like, "I'm sure you're making these edits because you're afraid to offend some people. But I actually find the edits themselves offensive." Then it's probably all right. But I'd tend to keep the "dialogue" professional. NOT CONFRONTATIONAL. They'll just respond better. If you can make the point that not airing DEADLY FORCE is wrong-headed, and clearly explain why, it wouldn't hurt.

Response recorded on July 10, 2000

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Padraic Dewey writes...

Greg -- I notice you had (almost) nothing to do with THE GOLIATH CHRONICLES. May I commend you on your good fortune? I found TGC to be nauseatingly preachy, simplistic, and heavy-handed. (Yes, I'm aware those terms overlap.) On with the questions:

1) Anything in the works for you now? I like your style, and would love to see more of it.
2) Since Toon Disney is now airing Gargoyles and TGC, are you aware of any (remote as may be) possibility of more shows being produced? Doubtful (as ALL get out), I know, but I figured...

Greg responds...

1. I'm basically unemployed at the moment, except for a teaching gig through UCLA EXTENSION. I've been working on a live-action screenplay with my brother on spec. Otherwise, I've gone to a lot of meetings. But nothing's happened yet.
2. Not in the short term.

Response recorded on July 10, 2000

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Carissa writes...

Hey Greg,

I love the gargoyles and I realy miss them. I havent missed a day of them since I found out the were on toon disney. I just want to ask if Gargoyles on a scale between 1-10, 10 being the highest, will be coming back anytime in the near future?
And what's this talk of the gargoyle movie?
Please write back thanks.

Greg responds...

Define "near" future? Like in the next couple years. I'd give it a zero chance. Cuz it ain't in production and it takes time to launch (or relaunch) any show. If you mean sometime, than I think the chances go up to eight or so.

Touchstone is developing a live action film based on the gargoyles. They've been at it for years. They haven't given up. But they haven't put it into production either.

Response recorded on June 29, 2000

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Stephen R. "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. writes...

Greetings Greg!

To reply to you answer on my "Max Steel" question on 2-23-200:

Some time ago - around mid-1980's or so - Tonka (or Mattel) released a toy line called "Max Steel's Robo-Force"; basicly a series of cylindrical, claw-armed robots whose major gimick was you could attach them to any flat surface via a suction-cup. They had good guys and bad guys, and I assumed there was to be a show made for them, but the toy line never really took off. (This was during the time when shows like "Transformers", "GoBots" and the like were very popular.)

Now for a question:

If you've ever read the book "Planet X" (a Star Trek:TNG/X-Men crossover novel) then you should understand this query: If you ever got around to writing novels or making a graphic novel with Gargoyles in it, would you ever consider doing a crossover story that pits the Gargoyles with another group of characters from another licensed universe of characters (with the creator's permission of course)?

P.S. - Here's to seeing you in Orlando (if I'm lucky enough to get down there). Maintain and Check Six!

Greg responds...

Hey, Stephen, hope to see you right back.

I've never read Planet X. Frankly, it sounds awful. I can't think of two universes less suitable for crossover than Trek and X-Men. As for whether I'd consider it... the answer is maybe. First, I'd love the chance just to be doing garg stuff sans crossovers. (I've got enough ideas to crossover on my own, including New Olympians, Bad Guys, Pendragon, etc.) Then it would depend on what universe exactly we were trying to cross with. Some might be good fits. Some would not. Then the method of crossover would matter too.

As for Max Steel, it sounds like that's where Mattel got access to the name. Nothing else similar. And I'd never heard of it.

Response recorded on June 21, 2000

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Tigris Euphrates writes...

Forgive me if someone's asked this before...
I enjoy writing fanfiction, and I've had lot of my voluminous writing printed and shared them with friends. They're all encouraging me to try and get it published. What is Disney/ABC/whoever's policy about publishing fan writing. I know Paramount makes a KILLING on it - every bookstore these days has a whole section for fanfiction in print. I know I'm not the only die-hard GARGOYLES fanwriter who'd like to submit their work for printing, too. It also makes sense to try and bolster public interest in the show until the movie is released and whatever other plans are in the making (if any) for GARGOYLES. Where would recommend we start looking?
(http://gargoyles.web.com - Ladyartemis@cybergal.com)

Greg responds...

Hey, you tell me! If Disney is interested in printing original Gargoyle stories, I hope they come to me first. (Which puts us in competition, I guess.) As far as I know, however, there is no interest currently.

Also, I don't think that what you see on bookshelves is STAR TREK "fanfiction". Though it may seem like it, these are all books written by "professional writers" commisioned by Paramount and/or its licensees. By definition, that ain't fanfiction.

Response recorded on June 20, 2000

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Vashkoda writes...

Hi Greg! You've previously mentioned having big plans for the clones that extended to 2158 and beyond, and today you confirmed that some would have children. 1) When you mentioned having plans that extended far into the future, did you mean the present clones or their children? 2) If it's the former, how would they survive that long? 3) Are the clones' children going to remain a separate clan, or will they merge into other clans? 4) Are you going to try to completely nullify what TGC did to the clones, or have you incorporated it into your future plans for them? 5a) Do you have any plans for moving the clones out of the Labyrinth? 5b) If so, where will they move to and why? 6) Will the clones be able to produce genetically normal gargoyle offspring? 7) If you've given this any thought, would the offspring have a parent clone's backwards-coloring or that of the gargoyle one or either of the parents was cloned from? 8) What was Elisa's reaction to finding out she had a clone? 9) If Delilah has a child, how would Elisa react to it?

Greg responds...

1. I'm not sure I understand the question...

2. See the answer to 4.

3. I can't answer this while the clan contest is ongoing.

4. Honestly, I haven't decided yet. Though I didn't care for the episode, it's absolutely one of the easiest to fix. Seems to me the clones could wake up at any time. So if the series came back in the present, I could wake them then. Or I could wake them anytime before 2158. But I figure with Goliath Chronicles it's going to be an all or nothing thing. So I can't make this specific decision in a vacuum. Right now, I'm leaning toward ignoring all post-Journey continuity. But I haven't made -- and probably can't make -- a final decision until I know in what form the series will resurface.

5a. See the answer to 3.

5b. Ditto.

6. Sure.

7. Being color-blind, it's not the first thing I think about.

8. On the surface, she was annoyed with Demona and Thailog, but open to being friends with Delilah. (She had seen the effect Goliath's harsh reaction had with Thailog.) Underneath that think the whole thing made her anxious. I do not think as of "The Journey" she had as yet gone down to meet Delilah.

9. Whoah, you're getting ahead of yourself...

Response recorded on June 20, 2000

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Jeremy writes...

First i would like to say that GARGOYLES was the best show i have ever seen.My first question is have you got any new offers on bringing back the series?Have you tried HBO they picked up spawn which is another kick ass show?I think they would jump at gargoyles and it would give you more freedom.If hbo did pick up gargoyles would the story's be more risky using adult themes such as drug use,swearing,nudity or murder.I personaly would love to see the saga shift into a more adult series.

Greg responds...

First off, no. No one has suggested bringing the show back except me. HBO isn't likely to want it, or to get it for that matter even assuming they did want it. They didn't "pick up" Spawn, they were the ones who brought it to the screen in the first place.

As to whether the show would get "more adult" if we had the non-broadcast freedom to be, the answer would generally be "no". I think the show appeals to adults now, without adding gratuitous elements. I wouldn't shy away from doing a drug story if I had a good story to tell about drugs. Adding curse words and nudity for their own sake doesn't interest me. I like nudity as much as the next guy, but it would have to fit. We basically showed Fox nude at the end of "Eye of the Beholder", because it made sense that she'd have no clothes on after her transformation. But I'm not out to arouse anyone. As for murder, hey, been there, done that.

The show's the show. I'd love to have freedom from standards and practices, but I won't ignore my own standards.

On the other hand, the show might get more mature, in the sense that Goliath and Elisa's relationship would continue to mature. That doesn't mean we'd be showing them engaged in sex acts, but we'd deal maturely with inter-species romance. At least I'd hope so.

Response recorded on June 19, 2000

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Johnny C. Wu writes...

With the popularity of DVDs hitting the market, and such animated shows such as "Batman Beyond" episodes being released on DVDs, will you be able to release any of the "Gargoyles" episodes on DVD? Or is it only up to Disney to decide on that?

Greg responds...

Disney. I don't even work for them anymore.

Response recorded on April 07, 2000

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Siren writes...

Hey Greg,
I know you said Disney has the rights to Gargs, but isn't there a way to still write Gargoyle books for Disney?... and they still get their all mighty buck.

Greg responds...

If we can get Disney interested.

Response recorded on April 04, 2000

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Anonymous writes...

Greg;

1) So if Disney owns the rights to gargoyles, and they are basically forgetting them, why do they want to hold on to the rights?

2) For 250,000,000 would they sell the rights?

3) If someone bought the rights, owened them, and aked you to created whatever you wanted with them, (IE the Master Plan, Pendragon, time Dancer, Etc.) Would you accept? I mean would you go ahead and make new shows, Etc.?

ALL IN THEORY, OF COURSE...

Greg responds...

1. Who said they've forgotten about it? They air the show EVERY night on ToonDisney. And they're developing a Live-Action movie based on it.

2. I'm not gonna dignify this. Sorry.

3. Of course. Let me know when you've raised the cash.

Response recorded on March 24, 2000

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Phil writes...

Hi, Greg

Great show, etc.

Living in the Midwest, I am completely ignorant about Hollywood politics. Please forgive me if I'm being to presumptious or just plain stupid.

Do you still have any contacts at Disney? What I mean is: Are you sitting by the phone (doing other work, of course) waiting for Disney to call you out of the blue? Or do you contact them periodically? It seems they need someone to remind them that they have a hot property in "Gargoyles." They should also be reminded/informed that you have up to seven animated series in various stages of development ranging from "very advanced" to "near complete."

Thanks for your time.

Greg responds...

I know a few random people at Disney, but I'm definitely not waiting for them to call me, out of the blue or otherwise. Gary Sperling is on the new Tarzan series, and he offered me a script assignment, but I'm too busy on 3X3 right now.

They know about Gargoyles, but it's just a bit underappreciated right now.

Response recorded on March 21, 2000

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Alan Coleman Waltrip writes...

Okay... I know people have asked you this 1,001 times, but it's about a book deal... I mean, Disney does own a publishing company... hell, they more or less own the world. I feel the only reason they don't approach you for anything is that Disney is falling futhur and futhur towards simply a children's media outlet. Think about it, Princess Monoke and Fatasia 2000 were either hardly advertised or shown in such limited release that no one was able to see it. They denounced Kevin Smith's Dogma (which was originally produced under Miramax), which is one of the greatest films I've ever seen.

So, why don't you think the Disney executives don't try to target a more adult audience? Sure, there are early to mid 1990s shows and movies (The Lion King, Gargoyles, to name a few) that do appeal to a more adult audience, but with things coming out such as The Tigger Movie, I don't think Disney realizes what they're missing out on.

Okay, so that was more of a rant than a question, but I'd still like to hear your response...

Greg responds...

I'd like to rant and rave, but it's of limited value. Certain projects are targeted to certain markets. It's ridiculous to think of the Tigger Movie as proof of anything vis-a-vis Gargoyles -- as if we weren't making episodes of Winnie the Pooh at the same time we were making Gargoyles, at the same time we were making Schnookums & Meat, etc.

I haven't seen Dogma, so I can't comment on that, and I also haven't seen Sixth Sense, which was a Touchstone film, but from what I understand, that was a fairly intelligent movie targeted at a non-kid audience. And they're still developing the Garg live-action movie, so they haven't exactly given up on squeezing a dime outta the property.

Disney sees a value in Gargoyles, but not the value. We aim to change their mind. At this moment, for no particular reason, I'm confident that we will eventually succeed.

Response recorded on March 21, 2000


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