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I've recently rewatched Awakening, and the scene where Goliath tells Demona that she can't kill an enemy unless it is "in the heat of battle" sparked a question in me: as of Phoenix, which members of the Manhattan Clan have actually killed someone?
Most have, in battle, in the tenth century. Angela hasn't. Egwardo hasn't. Nashville hasn't. Maybe Lex & Broadway haven't. But that seems unlikely/unrealistic.
Oh, and if you're counting her, Elisa hasn't.
In "Vows" When Goliath told to the young Demona about doing nothing to prevent The Wyvern Castle Massacre.To not let the petty jealousies that prey upon her heart.To fortify herself with love.Was he really hoping to prevent the future and was it his last attempt to reason her?
Yes, hopefully if forlornly.
I had a random question based on a question I saw about the Goliath/Demona/Angela parentage issue in "Sanctuary."
I just thought of this theory that maybe part of the reason why Goliath was resistant to telling Angela about Demona was because he was hurt over the end of his relationship with her, and having seen how she changed. So, he may, at least somewhere in his mind, have wanted to forget about her.
Do you think that may have been the case, not just his "Gargoyle Way" position?
If that works for you, I'm not going to object.
I remember your mentioning that in the proposed "Weird Macbeth" story, you'd cast Goliath as Macduff. It recently occurred to me that that would fit the "none of woman born" element (as with Demona earlier) - if in a different manner than the Macduff of the original play.
I don't know if that was one of the reasons you'd cast Goliath for that role, but I thought I'd mention it.
It's all in there.
Since Goliath and Demona are the same age roughly in 994 what would happen when Goliath became to old to lead the clan and stepped down? Wouldn't Demona also be too old?
Yes, it would have been a concern eventually. But they were both young at that stage, and the bigger concern at that time was death by violence, not by old age.
Hi, Greg! It's been several years since I've posted, but these questions came to me while I was getting ready for work this morning and I wasn't sure if you'd ever commented on them before. In Eye of the Beholder, Goliath says that he has no love for Fox. Does this feeling change at all upon him learning that Fox is Halcyon Rendard's daughter? I'm not saying that I think this would make Goliath start liking her more, but I would think there might be a change of feeling/heart since Goliath regards Renard as a close friend (so instead of seeing Fox as someone he doesn't care about at all, he might see her in a different light due to Renard being her father). So this leads me to the following two questions:
1) If there was a change of feeling, what was that change? (How does he feel about her once he learns she is Rendard's daughter?)
2) If his new feelings were more positive towards Fox (if his feelings did change), then did those positive feelings have anything to do with Goliath's decision to stay at the Eyrie Building? Of course when Xanatos offered Goliath and his clan a ride back to the Eyrie Building to get away from the police, he took the ride to save the clan. But when they got to the Eyrie Building he had to make the decision of whether to stay there or not. I'm sure there were several reasons for them to stay, but was Fox having Renard as her father one of those reasons?
Thank you for your answer and your time, I know it's precious.
I think you're overthinking Goliath's statement about Fox in Eye of the Beholder. Taking it too literally. But...
1. More than anything, it's probably just a reminder to him that life is full of nuances. There's very little black and white.
Do you think Keith David could voice any other of your characters? If so, which ones?
I am still a fan of the show and totally used jump off of an ironing board trying to fly when I watched Gargoyles as a kid.
I don't understand what you mean. Keith is amazing, and has done a voice for me on nearly every series I've produced. The list includes Goliath (Gargoyles), Officer Morgan (Gargoyles), Thailog (Gargoyles), Mama (3x3 Eyes), Hades (Kidd/Hero), The Big Man (The Spectacular Spider-Man) and Mongul (Young Justice: Invasion).
I suppose this is a bit of a nitpick about 20 years too late, but while rewatching the pilot of Gargoyles for the millionth time, I couldn't help but question how Goliath managed to carry all of the Gargoyles from the battle to Castle Wyvern.
One at a time.
What was Xanatos' contingency plan in case Goliath threw him off the edge of the Eyrie Building at the end of "Awakening, Part Five"?
How do you feel about the next DEATH BATTLE episode with X-Men's Beast and Goliath? Who do you think would win?
I can't figure out why they would fight.
1a) Would The Eye of Odin have eventually killed Goliath? (It appeared to have been killing Fox.)
1b) (It seems that Avatars to Death Gods tend to die, like The Emir.) Would Jackal have eventually died as a result of being an Avatar?
1a. Hard to say.
1b. Harder to say.
Hey, did you take note that in a recent episode of Once Upon A Time, the Chernabog appeared, and actually looked quite a bit like Goliath?
No, I missed that. I assume he looked more like Chernabog than Goliath, since Goliath looks a bit like Chernabog (who was one of Goliath's visual inspirations).
I've read the synopsis of the radio play crossover you made for "Gargoyles", "The Spectacular Spider-Man", and "Young Justice" (it'd be neat if you could put up the script for it at "Ask Greg" as you did for "Religious Studies 101", and noted that, near the end, you had Batman asking Goliath to join the Justice League. Now, the obvious reason why you had Batman be the one approaching Goliath was for the joke about Xanatos trying to get both Batman and Iron Man to join his club for rich guys with fancy equipment. But I remember how, back when you were making "Gargoyles", you were concerned that people might see it as a rip-off of "Batman: TAS" (to the point where you even drew up a list of differences between the two series); did you choose Batman for that role as a sort of callback to that?
In "Revelations," Martin Hacker told Matt "Your job was to get him (Goliath) there (to the Hotel Cabal). It's not your fault if old Mace couldn't hold him." In fact, since Matt gave Goliath the key and physically stopped Mace from shooting Goliath, it was indeed Matt's fault that old Mace couldn't hold him.
Was Martin unaware of Matt's involvement in Goliath's breakout, or was he deliberately lying to Matt?
For now, that's up to your interpretation. Matt assumes that no one but Goliath knows about Matt's complicity. Is he right?
Hello, Mr. Weisman. Back again.
Something that bugged me a little when I was watching "High Noon" and "The Price"; in both episodes, Goliath wonders how Macbeth could have escaped from the Weird Sisters (of course, Macbeth didn't actually escape, but that's neither here nor there with regards to my point).
Anyway, my question is this: did it never occur to Goliath that the Weird Sisters might have just let Macbeth go? After all, he doesn't really know anything about the Sisters at this point; they're almost entirely an unknown quantity. Did he think that they'd keep Macbeth and Demona prisoner indefinitely (that isn't rhetorical; I really do want to know)?
Thank you for your time, sir. Have a nice day.
I don't know about indefinitely, but the Sisters didn't take them casually, hence Goliath's response.
Hello Greg, Big fan of your work. Met you at last week's Long Beach Comic Con. I have all the Gargoyles dvds and I still have a question about Demona. Hopefully you havent already answered this question.
But what is it specifically that causes Demona to betray her clan? Did Xanatos already influence that decision prior to her being revealed to the clan or was it the fact that Goliath didnt wish to kill anyone on Reinard's ship during their mission together? It would seem that Demona was taken back by Goliath's change in behavior. He wasnt the same gargoyle she knew in 994. Thank you for your time.
Actually, Goliath WAS fundamentally the same gargoyle she knew in 994. She had changed and changed so much, it colored her memories of him. She thought he would follow her lead, be as hateful toward the humans as she was. When he wasn't - and furthermore when he went to see a human instead of staying with her, especially after their less than in-synch mission on Fortress-1 - she decided that Goliath was the problem and needed to be convinced - or eliminated - at gunpoint.
There has been a lot of talk over the years about why Demona told Goliath about the Praying Gargoyle during her gloating in "Hunter's Moon Part Three".
1. The gloating was exactly that, gloating. Like most villains, she had to have a "my brilliant plan" speech.
2. Subconsciously, she wants to be defeated because without humanity around, she'll lose her scapegoat and because she subconsciously knows she needs to be stopped, so she subconsciously handed Goliath the tools to stop her master plan.
3. And this is my interpretation, she actually believed Goliath would let her. After what happened on board the Hunter's airship in "Hunter's Moon Part Two", saying Goliath is thinking like a true gargoyle as he openly demands vengeance, seemingly killing two Hunters with Goliath, and Goliath himself not disagreeing when she says that perhaps they're not so different; she believed he was finally, finally seeing the light, finally coming over to her way of thinking, and... well, since gargoyles mate for life, thinking she might finally have her man back and a human free Earth.
Or maybe it was all of the above or none of the above.
All of the above. And more. She's a bit of a complicated mess, huh?
This a question about the Weird Sisters. In "City of Stone", they appeared differently to whomever was looking at them. Macbeth saw three crones, Demona saw three gargoyles, Goliath saw three children, Xanatos saw three fashion models, etc...
Was this the case in later episodes. Come "Avalon" and "Ill Met By Moonlight", was Goliath still seeing three children even if we in the audience were not?
Probably. Although at that point it might not have been necessary.
I have a question about the Avalon Clan and their biological relationships to the Manhattan Clan. I am going to use the "placeholder names" for those Gargs that don't have given names in cannon.
Can we assume that Hudson does not have any biological children there because Hyppolyta, Broadway, and True are his only three offspring?
You've mentioned before that Angela is the only biological child of Goliath's, and she is no longer there, so none for him either.
Brooklyn had at least one brother, Brooksbro...was he and older or younger brother? If older, then there is a potential for him to have a biological sibling on Avelon...is that the case?
Does Lexington have a younger biological sibling on Avelon?
3. Brooksbro is older. (But Brooklyn had MANY brothers and sisters. Stop thinking like a human.)
4. No comment on whether or not Brooklyn has a younger biological sibling among the Avalon clan.
5. No comment.
6. No comment.
Have you already chosen dates for the following events in the Gargoyles Universe (and of course, if the answer is yes, I'm not asking you to reveal them)?
For all three "events," I have not locked down specific dates, but I know generally where each takes place in the timeline.
Titania has clearly gone out of her way to help Goliath and his clan on more than one occasion (i.e. helping him in Ill Met By Moonlight, and then getting his clan reinstated to their home in The Gathering). The only reason she has given so far is to repay a favor rendered, that is, to repay Goliath for his assistance in stopping the Matrix in Walkabout. But this seems a bit much to do to repay a favor. But it seems to me that her motivation is a bit more.
1. Would you say Titania likes Goliath/has a lot of respect for him?
2. If yes, would you say the reason is more because of what she has witnessed of his character firsthand, or because of what Fox has told her about him?
3. Is Titania trying to make up for some of the things Fox and David have done to Goliath and his clan?
4. Would you say Titania's motivations for reinstating Goliath's clan to their ancestral home are more to repay a favor, more because she genuinely likes/respects Goliath, more to make up for what Fox and David have done to his clan, more to establish a good protector for Fox and Alexander, or some combination of the above?
5. You've said that you don't plan to reveal what Titania whispered to Fox because the fan community has built it up so much, that what you had planned would be, in your words, anticlimatic. But wouldn't the fact that you have no plans to use it be a reason to reveal it, since you have no use for it in future stories anyway? I kind of get the impression that the reason you're so steadfast in not revealing it is because you still have plans to use it in some way. Care to give any input?
Thanks for your time.
1. Likes him, yes. Has respect for him, yes. A LOT of respect for him... well...
2. Neither, really.
4. You're leaving out a major factor.
5. No Spoilers.
my question must have gotten deleted last time i asked this, because i cant find it anywhere. it was part of a post with a bunch of questions, but this one is the only one i really want to know about, so i hope this one wasnt the one that made it not go through
after his journey through time, does Brooklyn still consider himself a rookery brother to Lexington and Broadway?
also, since he is a generation older than Goliath, does he still consider himself his rookery son?
would he now technically be a rookery uncle to any or all three of them, and Angela?
if so, how does he view his relationship to Hudson, since they cant technically be rookery brothers? (like cousins mabey?)
2. He never did, so no.
4. He still sees Hudson as a mentor/father/grandfatherly figure.
I rewatched "Sanctuary" recently, and I have a little doubt. When Goliath sees Thailog, he doesn't seem really surprised (I mean, he is suprised to see him there, but he doesn't seem suprised to see him alive): did Xanatos alert him, somewhere between "Double Jeopardy" and "Avalon Part 1", that their "child" was probably still alive?
After the Wyvern massacre, Goliath sees the remains of a gargoyle on the place where Demona usually perched and thinks its hers. Did another gargoyle take the place she usually took?
Looks like it.
Greg Weisman: "I'd like to see a music video from Goliath's POV -- but featuring Elisa -- of "Amazing".
As per request:
I hope it's the right "Amazing." Thank you for your time and the suggestion.
I'll be honest, I don't actually remember asking for this, so I'm not sure if it's the "Amazing" I was thinking of, but boy it's perfect, isn't it? Anyway, whether or not I was smart to suggest it, you did a fantastic job.
I am a long time Gargoyles fan. I grew up with it actually. I've always loved it's depth, characters, story, and emotions. Honestly? Cartoons now-a-days don't even compare.
Anyway, I digress;
I was re-watching the show the other day and a question struck me... Can Goliath and Elisa have kids? I mean, Goliath is humanoid right? So, is it possible?
I hope it is because Goliath has gone through too much tragedy in his life to not be able to have a family with his soul mate I think.
That said, I haven't read the comic but I heard someone say that they break up in it... Is this true?? If it is, I just might cry....
Anyway, even though the series is long over, I still want to compliment you on such a fantastic masterpiece. It is a classic that will endure for a loooonnnggg time. :)
Thanks for your time! I know you are very busy.
ASKED AND ANSWERED. Check the archives and/or ask the fans at http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/comment/index.php to point you in the right direction. And by all means, check out the trade paperbacks from SLG. I think you'll truly enjoy them.
Thanks for your kind words.
So in my car, I've been listening to the audio book of Michael Chabon's novel: TELEGRAPH AVENUE, read by the amazing Clarke Peters (of THE WIRE and TREME). I'm a little over halfway through the book, which is set (largely) in a used record store in Oakland in 2008 and revolves around a diverse cast of characters. It's full of all sorts of pop cutlure references, but I was still pretty stunned when suddenly the narrator starts talking about GARGOYLES. Not generic gargoyles, but our GARGOYLES televsion series.
I was going to try to cut and paste the section here, but Amazon won't allow that. So you can check it out yourself here: http://www.amazon.com/Telegraph-Avenue-Novel-Michael-Chabon/dp/006149335X/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=09RDPEC6XPYS8K9E3CQR
Or better yet, buy the book. I haven't finished listening to it yet, but so far it's definitely worth the price of admission.
The GARGOYLES' references begin on or about p. 293. (At least on the Amazon Look Inside function.) It's all pretty cool, and very specific. Though Keith David isn't mentioned by name, Goliath is, and his amazing voice is referenced, along with Goliath's backstory, etc. The character seems to have been part of a significant moment in the life of Julie Jaffe, one of the many protagonists of Chabon's book.
Chabon's written many books, including two particular favorites of mine: THE AMAZING ADVENTURES OF KAVALIER & CLAY and THE YIDDISH POLICEMEN'S UNION. So the fact that our little series registers with him is fairly gratifying.
You have said before that humans and gargoyles are incapable of reproducing together, which I must add is a nice touch. Many xeno-based series throw biology to the wind.
But despite the fact that they couldn't be fertile, do you think that Goliath and Elisa ever got together, just for the heck of it?
If you're asking if they are or will ever be intimate, I think either (a) I'll leave that to your imagination or (b) SPOILER REQUEST. NO COMMENT.
Hi Greg. Thanks for giving us this great series, and for all you do to help keep it alive. Here's my question:
I've always felt that "Hunter's Moon" was a much darker storyline than any of the other Gargoyles episodes we've seen. I don't know if it's the way all three episodes open with a flashback that involves someone seeking vengeance, or the fact that this is the first time we actually see Goliath wanting to commit premeditated murder (not just "murder in the heat of battle" like before), or the fact that we almost lose two regular cast members (Angela and then Elisa), or the theme of hatred being passed on from parent to child for a thousand years. Maybe it's just that there's hardly any comic relief in these episodes, as almost every scene seems to involve one of our regular cast members going through emotional turmoil in some way.
Anyway, I was just wondering if you were deliberately trying to set a darker tone for these episodes, or if this is just how I perceived them myself. And if it was deliberate on your part, just wondering what your motivation was for that, because these episodes really do stand out to me as the darkest episodes in the series. And if it wasn't deliberate, then is there anything which in hindsight might have contributed to these stories coming out this way?
Also, why is it that you chose for the series finale to be so dark? I'm not criticizing, because I love these episodes and I love Gargoyles, but it just seems unusual (not in a bad way) that in a show where you've said yourself that you wanted Goliath's basic optimism to shine through, the way you chose to write the finale was by telling a story where we see his most vengeful side coming out. Just interested in understanding what your motivation for that was, story-wise.
Thanks for taking the time to read this question, and for all you do.
It was a BIG story. But to me it seems of a piece with what came before (and even what came after in the comic). I'm not sure - though it was long ago - that we set out to make it darker, though we did set out for it to culminate much of what came before and to resonate with much of what came before too.
In any case, I think the ending of the thing is VERY optimistic. The fact that we put Goliath through the mill - and had him react realistically to that mill - during the three-parter doesn't change that. By the end, Goliath reaffirms his principles.
I had a quick question. The gargoyles in your gargoyles universe go to sleep during the day and have no control over it. I've learned that Elisa and Goliath become an official couple, but I am curious about the couple seeing much of each other.
If Goliath is "forced" to sleep during the day and Elisa works most nights. When does the couple get to spend time when they are not on duty protecting the world? Wouldn't this put a strain on the relationship emotionally?
I didn't see this question anywhere. Forgive me if it has been asked.
Keep in mind, Elisa sleeps during the day too. Granted, she has more flexibility, but how is this really any different from any two people working the nightshift. For that matter, how is it that different from any two people who both have dayshift jobs. I'm not staying there's no stress or strain involved, only that it doesn't seem that atypical. There's plenty of stuff that DOES make Elisa and Goliath's relationship atypical, but this seems like the least of their worries.
I mean I would think it would be harder for a couple when one works dayshift and one works nightshift. Then it REALLY seems to me like they'd never see each other.
I was having a religeous debate at work today with a staunch Christian. Long story short, she got to "Remember David Versus Goliath?" and I said to her, "Hold it. I know full well about them but the only Goliath I care about is eight feet tall and lavender."
And then it hit me: David V. Golaith. I never, ever thought of that connection before... so I check the Archive and sure enough I was right. It was intention, you said.
I get their relationship now on a different level... Very clever! :)
1 - Were Angela and Broadway still virgins by the time of "Phoenix?"
2 - Goliath and Demona became mates during "Vows", did they lose their virginity that night?
(Both of these are canon-in-training answers, of course.)
Hi Greg, thanks for taking the time to answer questions! :-)
In your gargs timeline, who dies first, Goliath or Elisa? And are they still a couple until then? Lastly, will you give a clue about what you had in mind for their deaths?
(Sounds macabre, but I was curious... ;-P)
MASSIVE SPOILER REQUEST. NO COMMENT.
Would you be offended if I gave a tattoo of Goliath to a client of mine as long as I post the tat when its done
Go for it!
Mr. Weismen, I want to first thank you for creating quality programming that I grew up with and for creating Elisa, a strong female figure that matched my own background in terms of race.
1.Would you say that Aqualad is a younger non gargoyle version of Goliath in terms of personality?
2.You revealed Flashâs, Batmanâs and Supermanâs ages, would it be okay to ask how old is Aquaman and Mera?
Thank you for looking over my questions and I wish you all the luck with current and future projects.
1. Uh... not really.
2. Aquaman is 29; Mera, 27.
I'm from Ireland, huge fan..
Just want to say, thanks for a large part of my childhood in the form of Gargoyles.
I have a picture of Goliath tatooed on my arm with 3 crows over his shoulder representing myself, my dad and younger brother as we used to watch it togeather, everyday after school..Thanks alot. And just out of interest, any idea where I could get Season 2 part 2 on dvd, video, anything..??
Wow. Tattoos are quite the commitment.
Sorry, no new news on the DVD front.
Hi Greg, thank you for connecting to everyone. Fifteen years later, I'm sure questions about "The Kiss" never end, so who am I to part with tradition?
>It is my understanding that, for soap operas and/or ongoing series, actors do get sprung some story-surprises in their scripts. Although it was likely 1 to 2 pages of script, was "The Kiss" that kind of surprise for Salli Richardson and Keith David?
>Did they record their dialogue together? because it was extraordinarily acted.
Honestly, I can't remember. Wish I could.
Love this series, it was the best Cartoon show of my childhood and now, almost 30 I am revisiting the series and am finding ALOT of adult humor, situations and no little amount of (sexual) tension between carachters.
I could babble on but I honestly don't have the time to do it now, so I shall ask away...
At what point in Awakening do Goliath and Demona "break-up".
Yes I understand that he figured her dead for 1000 years but once he saw her, wouldn't he feel the same about her?
Look forward to hearing from you, and again, thanks for bestowing the awesomeness that is Gargolyes into our lives!!!!
There's no one moment, though when she tries to kill him, the relationship really starts to go south.
Why does Goliath have a mullet? It's the least coolest haircut in the world. If you had to do it over again, would you pick a better haircut?
I don't see it as a mullet. Just as long hair tucked behind his ears.
And, no, I wouldn't change it.
I always thought that in "Future Tense" Goliath sent the Phoenix Gate to the distant past, thus closing the loop and the gate restarting its journey from scratch. Of course this was not the case, otherwise the "Timedancer" events couldn't/wouldn't have taken place. But can you at least give a hint of when did Goliath send the gate to at the end of "Future Tense"?
He didn't pick a specific time or place, hoping that would prevent the Gate from landing anywhere and keeping it out of nefarious hands for eternity.
who is your favorite character on Gargoyles mine is a tie between Goliath and Hudson and i didn't know you was working on Young Justice no wonder why it's already awesome and it only has 4 episodes so far
I don't have a single favorite Gargoyles character, though of course Goliath is the prism through which we view all the others, making him the most essential.
Thirty minutes left until the reairing of the Young Justice premiere, so I thought I'd pass the time asking a completely unrelated question.
I saw your recent response about zombies, and how you like the old-fashioned "voodoo zombies" but not the modern, post-Romero zombies. I at least partly disagree, as I feel the best zombie movies can be good vehicles for social commentary (for instance, I thought the recent Land of the Dead was a brilliant metaphor for war profiteering- on the other hand, Dawn of the Dead was probably pretty clever at the time, but criticism of shopping malls now seems hopelessly dated). But that's just a difference of opinion. I was more interested in seeing how zombies might show up in your work.
1. Did you think of Goliath in "Temptation" as a zombie? Was that intentional on your part?
2. Do you think zombies may make a more formal appearance in Gargoyles, or have you covered that ground in "Temptation?"
Thanks for reading. I'll probably write up a ramble on YJ sometime this weekend, once I've seen it.
1. Loosely, I guess.
2. At the moment I have no plans, but...
Soo... did the group dynamics of young justice resemble gargoyles by accident like maybe you didn't realize you were writing them that way. I mean robin is cleary the lexington of the group the smallest and the smartest, and aqualad has goliaths role as the mature leader. And the boys reaction to seeing miss martian for the first time was pretty much the same as the trios to meeting Angela. (who was also new to the city the same way miss martian is new to the planet.)
Uh... gee, when you put it that way, it all seems pretty unoriginal. But I don't actually think your parallels go much beyond the few surface characteristics you've listed. (I mean is Kid Flash supposed to be in any real way like Broadway because they both like food?)
Keep watching and let me know...
Oh, and no, no parallelism was intended.
Hello Mr. Weisman,
I have a question regarding the relationship between Elisa and Goliath:
1. Did you always have in mind for them to be a couple or is this something that just came up as you kept writing?
2. Did you find it strange for a 7 ft mythological creature to fall in love with a human?
3. What does Goliath think of Elisa?
4. What does Elisa think of Goliath?
1. Uh... pretty much always, if we're talking about Elisa and Goliath and not some of the development precursors.
2. Sure. But isn't love always strange? (I'm sensing a theme tonight.)
3. If that's not clear from the source materials, I have nothing to add.
Recently watched "Long Way Til Morning"
And this is hopefully the first question that leads to what I hope to complete soon as a long essay on how fascinating Demona is as a character as well as her impact on her estranged clan "family".
In this we see three characters. All with relatively strong familial bonds. First we have the Father, Hudson. Then of course the rookery children Goliath and Demona.
My actual question is this:
What had to be going through Hudson's mind during all of this? I know he acknowledged the two as a mated pair, but in essence he had to save his son from his daughter. That could not have made him all too plussed.
Secondly, the dialogue in this last scene really shows how even now, they still have latent feelings of being family...
Hudson: "Give it up girl, you can't win.." Which even as a boy, first watching this I always received as a Father being parental in some way to his daughter.
Then there is Demona, who is as bananas as it gets. She, even in her tirade tips her hand. She, through raw, volatile emotion expresses she still has love for Hudson.
"I would have ended this quickly! Your pride will cost you your life!" Even though I know at this point in her life she is past redemption, I still feel that the way she exclaims these sentiments is a tell she doesn't want to HAVE to say them. She loves her rookery father. And in a way, still NEEDS him. As all grown children do once we reach adulthood. But nothing can stand in the way of her vengeance. The vengeance for her murdered family. Not even surviving FAMILY.
All too fascinating Greg, and thank you!
Did Hudson influence Goliathâs decision at all as to who shouldâve been Goliathâs second in command?
If something had happened to Goliath before he had chosen a second in command, I would assume that Hudson wouldâve become leader at first, but then would choose someone else to lead since heâs older and believes that a younger leader would be best (which is indicated in the episode Upgrade). If this was the case, who would Hudson have considered becoming the new leader of the clan? Would he have based his decision along the same lines as Goliath, or would he have looked for other qualifications?
Thank you for your time and all that you do,
Hudson and Goliath are two different guys... but I still think Hudson would have ended up choosing Brooklyn.
In Outfoxed, who was Mr. Vogel going to blame for sabotaging the robots on the ship before Goliath showed up?
Thank you for your time and all that you do,
He'd have come up with something.
This discussion has been had in Station Eight a few times, and I thought I would bring it up here. It seems to me like one could make a case that Demona is the lead character in the greater story of the GARGOYLES UNIVERSE.
If one looks at "Dark Ages," "Gargoyles," and "Gargoyles 2198" as a three act story, Demona's story is the one story arc that really plays out through the entire timeline. She is there for all three acts.
Yes, Goliath is the lead in "Gargoyles" and Samson is the lead in "Gargoyles 2198." I think Hudson is the lead in "Dark Ages," but I might be wrong. And they all play huge roles, crucial roles. But Goliath and Hudson are not in Act Three, and Samson is not in the first two acts.
Demona, without being the lead in any of the acts, is the constant presence. Sure, she may not appear in "Pendragon," "New Olympians," Heroes of Ulster," and may only have a small role in "TimeDancer" and "Bad Guys." But if "Gargoyles" is the center of the universe here, and "Dark Ages" and "2198" are both acts in that story, it almost makes me wonder if this is really her story. You've got her youth, her fall from grace, her time as the main antagonist (or one of them), and then her eventual redemption.
Not to take anything away from Goliath, because I definitely agree that "Gargoyles" is his story and that he is the most pivotal character in that series. But is his story a large piece of her story?
I'm not saying it's all about her, because it's not. I don't think that or feel that, because this is all one huge ensemble piece made up of many stories, but like I said, she seems to be the most constant character out of all of them in the Big Picture. And all without ever being THE LEAD in any of the "three acts."
It's definitely an interesting theory.
Of course, I don't actually view the Gargoyles' Universe as any one character's story, including Goliath. To me it's a tapestry with many threads...
But I'm not disagreeing per se.
At the Gathering in Chicago, during the Blue Mug a Guest, you and Keith David were asked if Goliath and Demona had sex during Awakening 4. After the scene where they reunited in the Great Hall it fades to black. Then we see them on the turret with the rest of the gargoyles.
When you both got asked at the Gathering about this, Keith said something like "what couple in their right mind would meet again after a thousand years and go see the kids first?"
I don't remember if you answered. So, did they?
Honestly, I'd have to view the episode again to see whether it plays as if there's time. But I don't rule out the possibility at all. Especially since technically the trio weren't their rookery children anyway. More like rookery cousins.
And now I have a question on Goliath and religion.
In the VHS version of "Awakening" as the trio glide off to steal the disc, Goliath says "godspeed lads. They'd better not be harmed." In the TV version he just says "They'd better not be harmed."
Since you edited the VHS release, I have to ask. Would Goliath say "godspeed?" Considering what you have since revealed about gargoyle religious beliefs, I was wondering. In your mind, did he say it?
And while I'm here, what's the canon status of the VHS version of "Awakening?" There is some material in it that wasn't in the TV and later DVD version?
1. Yes. But as a colloquialism.
2. It's mooshy, since in my brain elements of both versions are mooshed together.
Hi Greg I'm sure you've heard this plenty of times but I am a huge fan of the gargoyles!! One day I'm hoping to become a film editor in the future, maybe even own my own movie set! So if your ever looking for an editor sometime in the future look me up, I would love to work with you! Also I been searching and I wasn't able to find this question so I hope you haven't been asked this yet. But I've always wondered I know it obvious that Elisa and Goliath will end up being together some how, but how does Angela feel about Elisa as possibly becoming a future step mom? Would she see her in that way?
I have answered this before, so you might check the archives for more detail, but basically Angela views Elisa as an older sister. That wouldn't change. But if you've read the comics, you know Angela ALREADY considers Elisa to be Goliath's mate (more or less).
I am very curious about this one: According to GargWiki, it is said that Goliath died between 2008-2188, and I was wondering if it's true that he had died. If so, what year did he died and what was the cause of hid death?
Goliath, like any mortal, does die eventually. But I have no intention of revealing how or when at this time.
Hi Greg, new fan here. Before I ask my questions, I want to thank you very much for what you've done with the Gargoyles franchise. The stories are amazing and continue to captivate me. I will do my best to help by spreading the word and supporting the franchise.
1. Does Goliath's experience in Future Tense effect how he sees and trusts Lexington, especially considering recent predictions being so close to whatâs been happening? Even though he never really saw Lexâs costume, would other things such as Brooklynâs Timedancer costume being very similar and the police station blowing up cause Goliath to be more wary of Lex?
2. Also, is there some kind of inside joke or reason behind knocking Lexington unconscious so much? It might be just me and I understand that heâs not the best fighter, but it seems to happen a lot.
1. No comment beyond what can already be found on this subject in the archives.
2. No more, to my thinking, than any of the others.
We've seen biological relations for all the members of the cast(Brooklyn(Brooksbro), Lexington(Kermit), Hudson and Broadway(True), Bronx(Chomp and Chaw)) except Demona and Goliath among the Wyvern Clan, is there a reason for this.
The premise of this question is not necessarily correct.
When Elisa told (or admitted, however you want to look at it) Angela that it was true that Demona was her mother at the end of Sanctuary, was Goliath angry with her? Did they discuss it at all later or did he just let it go? Was he actually relieved to not have to be the one to tell Angela?
I'm sure he was angry, but she probably convinced him of the obvious: (a) it was obvious and (b) it would have come out eventually and it was better coming from them then from Demona herself. Goliath would have grumbled at first, but known she was right.
I was wondering about the backstory of Iago's deception to Othello. Could you elaborate on it? (i.e. what circumstance did he make Othello believe Goliath and Desdemona were betraying him, like did he show them kissing or something--I know gargs don't kiss, just a for instance...) Also, how did the situation get reconciled, I mean how did Goliath and Desdemona prove themselves or disprove Iago to Othello? I just wanted to know the story (or as much of it as you'd tell ;)).
Pretty Pretty Pretty Please?
With a cherry on top?
Yeah... no. Sorry, but that's a story I'd like to tell some day, so I'm gonna save the details, though if you rewatch "Legion" you can glean the gist of what happened.
I know that you wont answer questions that are suggetions for the future or if they try to pry the future out of you so I'm trying very hard to make this neither.
Has Goliath told anyone the entire story behind future tense or has he kept the details to himself? Would the rest of the Manhatan clan know about it?
I've already answered this one. Please check the archives.
I'm curious if Goliath ever told the others in the clan besides Elisa and Angela about what happened in "Future Tense", considering that Brooklyn returned wearing EXACTLY the same armor. This was one of the most interesting revelatins from CBII. Throughly enjoyed everything you've done and looking very forward to more.
I don't think he did tell much. And certainly not in the kind of detail that would allow Brooklyn to model his armor off of Goliath's story, if that's what you mean.
I was wondering something, and I know you don't like hypotheticals, but I wondered if you gave this any thought: Had Goliath and Demona stayed together in the 20th century, would he have still fallen in love with Elisa? Or would his love for Demona overshadow anything he could have felt for Elisa? I ask this because I wonder if Goliath and Elisa are a meant-to-be kind of thing (in your Gargs universe), and their love was inevitible, or was it only relative to Goliath not having someone (i.e. Demona)? Here's another way of looking at it as well: would he have fallen in love with someone else had he not met Elisa and things still went bad between him and Demona? Thanks for your time, and can't wait to hear your thoughts on the matter...I'm kinda hoping for a rant! :D But I totally understand if this is too hypothetical...I guess I just wondered if you ever thought about it. Thanks a lot!
I don't know about "meant to be" but I don't think it was inevitable that Goliath would fall in love with SOMEBODY given the deterioration of his relationship with Demona. Gargoyles mate for life, and Goliath's love for Elisa is a rare exception. I do think of it as something special. Not simply a result of her filling a slot. As for your initial question, it's largely too broad a hypothetical for me. But if Goliath and Demona were happy, and she wasn't trying to kill the human race, then no, I doubt Goliath would have ended up with Elisa.
Is golaith and ilsisa ever goig to be together.
Aren't they now?
One last question before bed....
From what little we've seen, it seems that Brooklyn and Katana are parents, not just rookery parents. (All those years with just each other would make it seem inevitable. There are no rookery siblings or other parents.) You wrote that Broadway and Angela ~choose~ to raise their children in the gargoyle style. So...
1. Are there currently any clans who have adopted human parenting, like they adopted human naming? Will there be by the future series?
2. Even those choosing to raise children collectively, are their strong human influences to that thought? (For instance, noting a rookery child looks like you.)
3. Am I correct in my assumption that Brooklyn and Katana are more like human parents in that respect?
4. It has been strongly implied that Elisa and Goliath will in some way adopt. Should they raise a child, would it be as individual or collective parents?
More later, (when I can hopefully decipher my handwriting).
1. We'll have to wait and see.
2. See above.
3. See above.
4. See above.
I always enjoyed the relationship of MacBeth and Demona on the show for its intensity and sorrow, as well as Xanatos and Fox with their unique understanding of companionship and love. And it makes me think...
With all the love triangles, the magical bonds, the promises, oaths, or senses of duty to consider, which relationship between any set characters of the series were you most passionate about writing and why? What do you think drove that relationship? And do you think it is the simplicity or the strife of that Character Relationship that makes it more appealing to you as a writer and does that opinion change as a viewer?
I suppose the top relationship in my mind is probably Goliath-Elisa, but truly I'm interested in all of them. And a lot. They're all fascinating to me, for a variety of reasons. Basically, I don't have a standard answer to your questions.
Dear Mr. Weisman,
After Goliath falls in love with Elisa, would her menstrual cycles have any biological effect on him? Yes, I know...that's a very ODD question, to say the least. Thank you, regardless.
Why would it?
These couple of questions I'm asking pertain to Goliath's reaction to why Avalon sent them to Manhattan:
1. As of the end of Golem, was it Goliath's intention to stay in Manhattan whether Avalon released them from their journey or not?
2. When Goliath states that Avalon sent them to Manhatten because of the present danger, was that scene suppose to give the audience the impression that Goliath, Angela, Elisa and Bronx would resume their travel?
1. I don't think it occurred to him not to stay at first. Then after the crisis emerged he realized that they had been sent to Manhattan or a reason, not because they'd been "released".
Since we now call them "Beasts," if you could, would you change the line in "Awakening 1" from "I see you've met our Watch-dog..." to something like "I see you've met our Beast..." ?
No. To Goliath, it is -- and always was -- a metaphor.
in Goliath and Elisa's relationship can Hummans mate with Gargoyles.has it done so in the past?
It depends what you mean by mate. Check the archives for a fuller answer.
Gargoyles and Politics
I know that you generally like to keep politics out of this site, which is why I hope that this question isn't too out-of-line. All the same, I'm very interested in the role that politics plays in the "Gargoyles" universe.
What, generally, are Elisa's political views? Does she belong to a particular political party? And does she discuss politics with the Manhattan Clan at all?
For that matter, how politically literate are the various members of the Manhattan Clan, particularly Goliath and Lexington? Do they read any political texts? For that matter, does Hudson ever catch "60 Minutes" or any similar shows on television? How much do Elisa's political views (assuming that she shares them with the Clan at all) color their political viewpoints?
I'd also be greatly interested in any information you would be willing to share regarding the politics of other human characters in the series, most particularly Xanatos, Fox, Matt, Renard, and especially Macbeth. For that matter, what does Demona think of human politics (I expect that I can guess the answer to this one, but still)? :)
If you can't tell, this is coming from a prospective Politics major who to some degree or another views all things through a political lens. If you wish to leave these things up to the viewer then I would completely understand, but any information at all would be tremendously appreciated.
Thank you very much for your time, and I eagerly await the widespread release of the two remaining Trade Paperbacks. I've been trying to spread word of them (and of the DVDs) in the Comments section of Gargoyles-related YouTube videos; every little bit helps, I hope.
Based purely on stereotypes of ethnicity and labor and location, I'd guess Elisa's a democrat.
I don't think politics is something that would attract Lex's attention much. I would think that Hudson, who prefers Celebrity Hockey to 60 Minutes, would feel lost rather quickly in political discussions. Goliath is all about the classics. I don't think Elisa's proselytizing much.
Xanatos seems like a likely Republican. At least fiscally. (Don't really see him or Fox as social conservatives.) Matt must be a Dem. Renard is probably a Republican. Macbeth... I don't think he's an American citizen. Demona... come on.
You stated that, when in response to Elisa and Goliath having kids, "Elisa could never be pregnant with Goliath's child without assistance from science or magic. I've already stated that I don't see them going that way."
I was wondering, what makes you think Elisa wouldn't want to use magic or science to carry Goliath's child?
Elisa seemed happy and esily adjusted to her as a gargoyle during "The Mirror". She even hinted this at the ending of the very episode, thus you can see my confusion.
I don't think that's what she was hinting.
MI PREGUNTA ES LA SIGUENTE: HUBIERA SIDO POSIBLE QUE GOLIATH SE TRANSFORMARA EN HUMANO PARA ASI CASARSE CON ELISA Y ASI HACERSE REALIDAD SU SUEÃ'O COMO EN EL CAPITULO "PODRIA SER REALIDAD"? GRACIAS
My high school Spanish is pretty rusty...
"My question is the [?]: [??] posible that Goliath will be transformed to human for [??] with Elisa and [??] reality... ugh, I give up.
I'm afraid I can't be sure enough of your question to answer it well...
I reading a question someone asked you about if demona and goliath would ever be a couple again and you said no. I was some what unhappy about that development as I was always had hope they would be a couple again at some point. I also find Elisa to be a some what uninteresting character to be honest compared with demona. I know many shows will take into consideration input from the fanbase and bring certain characters back to life,give popular characters with a small amount of screen time more time and so one. I was wondering if you basically have a vision set in stone for your characters or do you ever make any changes in gargoyles or any other show based on fan feed back? I hope this questions does not violate your rules for answering questions,but I was really wondering about what level you take fan input into consideration regarding existing characters and events? Great show and keep up the good work. I'm kind of burnt out on spiderman to be honest,but now that I know you're involved in it I guess I'll have to buy the box sets and check it out.
Hmmm... I really don't change stories based on fan desires. First off, fans don't all agree on what they want (for example a lot of folks think Elisa is great), and sometimes (like Demona getting back together with Goliath) they want things that just don't make any story sense and would be bad for the property.
On the other hand, I do respond to what the fans respond to. Brooklyn's popularity was probably one of the things that lead me to the creation of TimeDancer.
G2009 Radio Play - Act Three
Norman Osborn was a fool. So obsessed with the power of science, he kept the Crown of Thorns in this vault as if it was just another souvenir â" albeit an expensive one â" to hang upon his wall. But with the Crown and the Spear of Destiny together, I now have the power to force all of humanity to its knees.
These are Christian icons, Demona. Not every human being is a Christian.
Not every human being speaks Latin, but that didnât stop me from using a Latin spell to turn a city-full of humans to stone. The magic I wield is potent beyond measure. Mine is the Kingdom and the Power and the Glory. No human may resist. No human will be spared. None will be spared who oppose me. Just look at this foolâ¦
Her name is Obsidiana.
Of course it is. For she wears the mystic Obsidian pendant fashioned by human sorcerers. Even that is enough to put her in my thrall. She has relinquished her gargoyle birthright.
I have relinquished nothing.
Demona waves the Spear of Destiny, and Electro rises and blasts Goliath back into the wall.
Yes, Iâm surprised youâre unaffectedâ¦ since you reek of humanity. The stink of your human whore is in your hair, on your lips, everywhere. And nothing in this world will give me more pleasure, Goliath, than watching your detective on her knees to me, as she draws her service revolver and thanks me with tears of joy in her eyesâ¦ before gratefully blowing out her own brains.
That will never be.
No? My power expands with every second. I doubt sheâs far away.
You will not harm Elisa.
Goliath advances on Demona. Electro blasts away, but Goliath will not be stoppedâ¦
No one ever said you werenât persistent, Goliath. But what do you hope to gain?
(through gritted teeth)
I will turn these forces back upon you.
Impossible. I am the last true gargoyle left on this world. The Crownâs magicks cannot touch me.
So you believe. But I am not the only one who reeks of humanity. Am Iâ¦ Dominique?!
Goliath grasps the crown. The thorns bite into his hands, drawing blood. They struggle for control of the immense powerâ¦
691. GOLIATH, DEMONA
<roaring to the heavens>
Goliathâs intervention â" and his complete immunity to the Crownâs effects â" creates the smallest of fluctuation in Demonaâs control. In a haze, Spider-Man lifts his armâ¦
He shoots off a web, yanking the bloody crown from Demonaâs head.
There is a massive explosion of mystic energy and light! Demona, Goliath and Electro collapse.
The Spearâ¦ the Crownâ¦
Gone. I think theyâ¦ blew up. Calypsoâs gone too. But Iâm betting thatâs just a talent of hers. And Iâd guess sheâs taken Kraven and the pussycat with her.
But the Big Badâs still hereâ¦
Leaving behind, as always, nothing but a handful of thornsâ¦
Goliath, Spider-Man and Demona sit. Jonah, Elisa, Matt and George STAND.
While Goliath helps Obsidiana, Spidey webs up Demona, Electro and Ock. In the outer vault, Zafiro and the Trio recover, finding only an unconscious and de-venomed Eddie Brock. Outside, the bad guys have all been beaten. Goblin and Vulture, their tech badly damaged, barely manage to fly away. Carnage and Jupiter are once again Cletus and John.
Iâm here, Johnny. Your old Popâs hereâ¦
Call an ambulance, Elisa. Old Man Dracon said something about seeing a light. Then he collapsed. A stroke or something. Iâve been giving him C.P.R.
Mattâ¦ Matt! You can stop. Stop. Heâs gone.
Youâre gargoyles are flying off, Detective.
Really? Not sure I see âem myself. But is that Spidey web-slinging away?
You think? I must have missed him?
Are you all blind?! Theyâre right over there!
714. GEORGE, MATT, ELISA (UNISON)
Oh, give it a rest, Margotâ¦
Elisa, Matt, George, Margot and Jonah sit. Peter, May, Harry and Gwen STAND.
Back at the busâ¦
Iâm back. And not a single decent picture to show for my efforts.
Well, you tried your best, Peter. Iâm sure Mr. Jameson will appreciate that.
Oh, yeah. Heâs a sweetheart that way.
Emily Osborn watches as her son finally emerges from the bathroom.
Hey, Gwen. I feel much better.
Harry, Gwen, Peter and May sit. Jonah and Robbie STAND.
Later that night, at The Bugleâ¦
Whaddayou mean I canât publish it?! How else can I make them all pay for what they did to Johnny!
You canât publish because the authorities refuse to comment. We have no pictures or statements to corroborate a story that includes gargoyles, a dead Green Goblin and everything except the kitchen sink. No one will believe it. I was there, and I donât believe it! Print this, Jonah, and The Bugle becomes the next Daily Tattler.
Ms. Brant, call the bomb squad. BECAUSE IâM ABOUT TO EXPLODE!!
Jonah and Robbie sit. Gwen, Peter, Kong, Curt, Harry, EMILY OSBORN and Mary Jane STAND.
Later still, aboard OsCorpâs private jet en route to Miamiâ¦
I still canât believe we ran into you in the airport parking lot, Doctor Connors.
Yeah, and weâre so sorry you got mugged.
Dude, they took your shoes?! Thatâs hilarious! <laughs>
Yes, well, I just really appreciate the ride back to Floridaâ¦
Anytime, Doctor C. Anytime.
Harry, could I have a momentâ¦ in your fatherâs office?
Uh, sure, Mom.
Curt, Kong and Gwen sit.
734. MARY JANE
736. MARY JANE
Tiny. Cute enough, but itâs like talking to a tree stump.
Tried to warn you.
738. MARY JANE
Just say weâll spend the week as a threesome, okay, Tiger.
740. MARY JANE
Not that kind of threesome.
Mary Jane and Peter sit.
Meanwhile, Harry follows his mother Emily into the jetâs private office.
I know you were playing at being the Goblin, Harry.
What?! Mom, thatâs crazy! I was in the bathroomâ¦
Donât lie to me, baby. You hired the worst chauffer in the city to delay our progress. You had a secret hatch installed in the bus bathroom, so you could slip in and out undetected. And you left a pre-recorded âvomit tapeâ with voice recognition software. All very impressive for a sixteen-year-old. But you need to understandâ¦ the Green Goblin is not what your father wanted for you.
I have no idea what Dad wanted for meâ¦
Then let him tell youâ¦
She slips a DVD into the computer and Norman Osborn appears on screenâ¦
NORMAN OSBORN STANDS.
Harry, my son. If you are watching this, then I am dead. And I have instructionsâ¦
Norman, Emily and Harry sit. Big Man, Blackie and SHARI STAND.
Meanwhile at the Big Manâs office, he and Blackie Gaxton are visited by Shari, a young woman wearing a pendant depicting an eye atop a pyramidâ¦
750. BIG MAN
Nine. Any problems?
753. BIG MAN
Not particularly. Ms. Destine was ready to believe I could find Dracon and the others useful.
And that faux Goblin was happy to believe Iâd been fooled into thinking he was the real thing.
Blackie removes his false face, revealing that he is actually the Chameleon in disguise.
Just as he was happy to believe I was the real Blackie Gaxton. But Iâm still not sure why the Society wanted all thisâ¦?
Isnât it enough to know the Illuminati appreciates your efforts?
CHAMELEON and Big Man sit. THAILOG, BRENTWOOD, Homunculus #1, Homunculus #2 And Homunculus #3 STAND.
Shari leaves Lincolnâs office and pulls out her cellphoneâ¦
Dial Nightstone Unlimited.
The Spear? The Crown?
Waiting for you to send to Duval.
Brentwood capture little robot. Use it to control other little robots. When bright light shine, robots take spear and crown.
What should we do with the Homunculi?
Set them free. Maybe theyâll get their own series some day.
767. HOMUNCULUS #1
Free, free, set them freeâ¦
768. HOMUNCULUS #2
On basic cable and DVDâ¦
769. HOMUNCULUS #3
Homunculus #3, Homunculus #2, Homunculus #1, Shari, Thailog and Brentwood sit. Elisa and Goliath STAND.
At the castle, Elisaâs cell rings.
Mazaâ¦ Yeah, Captain Stacy said you might call. Sure, heâs right here.
She hands the phone to Goliath, who doesnât quite know how to hold it. She takes it back and puts the call on speaker.
Hey, Goliath. Itâs your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.
You protect yourâ¦ neighborhood.
Just like you do the super-hero thing without the tights.
Spider-Man, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Hey, I was just gonna say that. You saw that movie too?
God, I love youâ¦ <kiss>
Elisa, Goliath and Spider-Man sit. Kafka STANDS.
And finally â" yes, finally â" we end where we began. In the offices of Dr. Ashley Kafka at Ravencroft. Sheâs on the phone to her Board of Directors.
After all that tsuris, little has changed. Otto and Eddie are still disassociative. Max still needs a cure, and John still wants power. Cletus? He just keeps repeating, âI got a taste now,â over and over. Yes, we lost Dominic, Iâm afraid. But we do have a new patientâ¦
783. KAFKA (CONT)
Just wait until the sun goes downâ¦
Dominique and Kafka sit.
NEXT: I finally get back to answering questions...
G2009 Radio Play - Act Two
BIG MAN STANDS.
Act Two. The Big Man of Crime enters his offices, but finds heâs not aloneâ¦
248. BIG MAN
You spend so much time here, Iâll need to buy you your own chair. So youâll stay out of mine.
Green Goblin STANDS.
249. GREEN GOBLIN
Surprised to see me?
250. BIG MAN
251. GREEN GOBLIN
Then you wonât be surprised to learn Iâm still running thingsâ¦
252. BIG MAN
If you can run them from a hospital bedâ¦
Catching Gobby off guard, Lincoln punches him right through the windowâ¦
254. GREEN GOBLIN
The goblin-glider swoops in and catches the Goblin, who pulls out a Pumpkin Bomb.
PUMPKIN BOMB STANDS.
256. GREEN GOBLIN
Ever the gracious host. And ever the gracious guest, the Goblin must show his appreciation. Here. I brought a gift.
Gobby throws his âgiftâ, but Goliath swoops in, catches it and throws it back.
Goliath and Spider-Man STAND.
258. PUMPKIN BOMB
259. GREEN GOBLIN
Not far awayâ¦
No, no, no, no, noâ¦ I was hoping Iâd never hear that trademark Pumpkin Bomb shriek againâ¦
Spidey swings in to find Goliath and a recovering Gobby togetherâ¦
So thatâs what these gargoyles areâ¦ more of the Goblinâs Halloween creationsâ¦
Spidey swings into action against Goliath.
265. GOLIATH, SPIDER-MAN
<ad-lib battle sounds>
The Bugle was right about you: you are a threat and a menace!
Wait, you can talk? And read?! And what you read is the Jolly Oneâs editorials?!
268. GREEN GOBLIN
I know I should assassinate Mr. Lincoln. But Iâm so enjoying the show. Really, someone should make more Gargoyles. I know: Iâll call Walt Disney.
Green Goblin, Spider-Man, Goliath, Pumpkin Bomb and Big Man sit. ANGELA, BROOKLYN, BROADWAY and LEXINGTON STAND.
Meanwhile, atop the Eyrie Building, Brooklyn, Lexington and Broadway watch Angela playing with Brooklynâs son Nashvilleâ¦
Thatâs great, Nashville. This time try the axeâ¦
Wow, Angela looks so adorable playing with Gnash. I mean, Gnash is cute tooâ¦
Thanks. I know he hatched in another decade, but Katana and I discussed it, and we want the whole clan to be Gnash and Egwardoâs Rookery parentsâ¦
Weâd be honoredâ¦
I still canât quite take it all in. I go to Britain for a few weeks, and everything changesâ¦
At least you were gone for weeks. Try adjusting in forty seconds.
Hey, I had forty years to get ready for this, and itâs still strangeâ¦
But, dude. Youâre soâ¦ old.
Older than Goliath.
Almost Hudsonâs age.
I get it. Iâm old.
Itâs not that. Everything about you is different.
Oh, come onâ¦
No, heâs right. The way you talk. The way you move. All those weapons you carry now. Itâs like youâve outgrown us.
Thatâs not fair. I canât tell you how much I missed you both.
We get that. And weâre not mad. Butâ¦
Look, this isnât all on me. As I recall, things were already changing. Broadway spent all his time with Angela.
Not all my time.
Uhâ¦ pretty much.
Yeah, well, youâre practically on the internet non-stop.
Itâs addictive! Do you know they have porn on that thing? Thereâs this one website, Blue Mug Prodâ"
I donât wanna know. The point is weâve all gone through some changes. Thatâs just life.
I guess our Three Musketeer days are overâ¦
Zafiro and Obsidiana STAND.
Gargoyles of Manhattan!
We need youâre help!
At just that moment, the sun rises, turning Brooklyn, Lexington, Broadway, Angela and Gnash to stone. Obsidiana and Zafiro are unaffected, thanks to their mystic Mayan pendants.
Nuestro cronometraje apesta hoy.
Obsidiana, Zafiro, Lexington, Broadway, Brooklyn and Angela sit. Spider-Man, Green Goblin and Pumpkin Bomb STAND.
Across town, Goliath also turns to stone.
What the heck?!
303. GREEN GOBLIN
Well, that wasâ¦ unexpected.
All right, thatâs enough. I know youâre not the real Gobby.
305. GREEN GOBLIN
Yes, yes, âItâs not the voice; itâs the words. Not the tech, but the moves.â Iâve heard it all beforeâ¦
Then I know exactly who you really are: Chameleon!
307. GREEN GOBLIN
That would ease your conscience, wouldnât it? To think Iâm Chameleon â" and not the ghost of the man you killed!
I donât believe in ghosts.
309. GREEN GOBLIN
Then maybe youâd prefer I was the Spawn of Goblin.
Oh, youâd just love to shift the blame to Harry. Sorry, Gobby â" I mean, Chammy â" but weâve been there, done that. Besides, no matter who you are, there hasnât been time for the Globulin Green to kick in and truly Goblify you. So Iâm gonna take you down now while youâre still just a cheap imitation.
311. GREEN GOBLIN
You could do thatâ¦ or you could save stoneface over there.
Gobby throws a pumpkin bomb at Goliath. Instinctively, Spidey webs it awayâ¦
313. PUMPKIN BOMB
Pumpkin Bomb and Green Goblin sit.
By which time, the Goblin is gone, leaving a confused Spidey perched on Goliathâs headâ¦
So in hindsight, Iâm thinking maybe you werenât part of the Gob-Squad, right?
Fine. Stonewall me.
That morning in Forest Hills, Spidey sneaks in through his bedroom window, hoping to catch a few Zs.
Peter, are you awake.
Uh, sure Aunt May. Just getting dressed.
Well, hurry up. Iâmâ¦ âconferencingâ with all the other parents.
Robbie, ROSIE THOMPSON and George STAND.
Are you sure you donât mind, Mrs. Parker? Cuz I gotta say, what youâre proposing would be my worst nightmare.
<laughs> Oh, I donât believe that for a minute, Mr. Robertson. Itâs a joy to be around Peter and his friends. And I wonât be alone. Anna Watson and Mrs. Osborn will be with me.
Emily? Sheâs soâ¦ odd. I donât think sheâs ever said one word to meâ¦
Well, I donât know her very well, Rosie, but Harry is Peterâs best friend â" no offense to your Eugene â" so she must be doing something right.
May, you never change. Always seeing the best in people.
Iâll take that as a compliment, dear girl.
In any case, Iâm glad to get Gwen out of Manhattan for a few days. The streets are looking pretty grim right about now.
Oh, Iâm sure your officers will have things under control in no time.
Aunt May, whatâs going on?
Oh, didnât I tell you, Peter. Iâm chaperoning your trip to Miami Beach!
Peter, May, George, Rosie and Robbie sit. Big Man and Dominique STAND.
Meanwhile, back at L. Thompson Lincolnâs officeâ¦
332. BIG MAN
And how can I be of help, Ms. Destine.
I think I can help you, Mr. Lincoln.
334. BIG MAN
What makes you think I need any help?
Oh, little things. The shattered window, that unusual statue on the ledge outsideâ¦
336. BIG MAN
Point taken. How about you cut to the chase?
Fine. Tony Dracon. Tomas Brod. Silvio Manfredi. All in jail. Hammerhead. Sable Manfredi. On the run. This gives you a unique opportunity to reclaim what was lost.
338. BIG MAN
Iâm sure L. Thompson Lincoln has no idea what youâre talking about. But go onâ¦
You have three problems. Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus and the government watching your every move.
340. BIG MAN
And you have the solutionâ¦
I have the manpower. Threeâ¦ âsuper-villainsâ to take down the competition and Dominic Dracon to use as a figurehead.
342. BIG MAN
The old man? I heard he was shy a few brain cells.
Itâs easy enough to spread the word he was faking insanity to avoid prosecution. And easy enough to assign him a keeper. Meanwhile, heâs a Dracon. And that name still carries weight, I believe.
344. BIG MAN
It does. But what would you want in exchange?
Nothing extraordinary. Just the services of the Tinkerer.
346. BIG MAN
I believe that can be arranged.
Lovely. But letâs not allow the moss to gather. Youâll want to move fast. Before the Octopus retrieves his armsâ¦
Dominique and Big Man sit. SILVER SPOON MANAGER, Vulture, DOCTOR OCTOPUS and Electro STAND.
The weather has turned cold. At the Silver Spoon, three men in trench coats and hats wait for their coffee.
349. SILVER SPOON MANAGER
Vulture sits down with Electro and Doctor Octopus.
352. DOCTOR OCTOPUS
Thank you, Adrian. Now. My arms?
In an OsCorp vault.
<shhhhh> Not THE Vault. A vault. Still very high security, and the police are bound to expect our arrival, butâ¦
356. DOCTOR OCTOPUS
Indeed. <sigh> OsCorp. Even in death, Norman Osborn torments me. But it cannot be helped. I must have my arms. We go in under cover of darkness tonight.
Doctor Octopus, Vulture and Electro sit. Silver Spoon Manager remains standing. Peter and Mary Jane STAND.
The three men exit through one door. Two teenagers enter through another.
358. SILVER SPOON MANAGER
359. MARY JANE
Try to understand, Tiger. I just canât do that to Gwen. Sheâs really become my best friend at Midtown.
But itâs not like weâd be making out or anything, right? Uh, right?
361. MARY JANE
Right, right. Weâd be going as friends. Hanging out when the couples were â¦ you know, coupling.
363. MARY JANE
And that would be great. But look at it from her point of view. She took all the risks, and you still wound up with Liz. Thereâs no way, sheâd see me as anything but a threat. Wait, that sounded really conceited.
Have you looked in a mirror? Not conceited. Just fact.
365. MARY JANE
Ooh, nice one. Such a player.
Yeah, right. The worldâs loneliest player.
367. MARY JANE
Stop it. I know you donât want to hurt Gwen either. Not after all the two of you have been through.
Yeahâ¦ I wonder if Ms. Brant likes Miami. Kidding, kiddingâ¦ Wow, pretty good. That was practically the Look.
369. SILVER SPOON MANAGER
SEYMOUR OâREILLY stands.
So youâre just not going?
371. MARY JANE
Oh, Iâm going. Itâs 48 degrees outside and 82 in Miami. I asked Tiny to be my plus one.
Tiny?! Tiny McKeever?! The guyâs got the brain of an amoeba. He makes King Kong look like a genius. Hell, he makes Flash look like Stephen Hawking!
373. MARY JANE
<argggh> I just wish I could skip the whole thing. But Aunt Mayâs going, and after her heart attack, I really think she could use some fun in the sun--
Sorry to interrupt. Couldnât help overhearing.
Oh, hey, Seymour.
Just wanted to let you know Harry invited me too. And Iâm totally going stag. I mean who wants a ball and chain when Miami Beach is full of hotties, right?
Just donât expect to hang out, okay. Youâd fully cramp my style.
Of course I wouldâ¦
381. SILVER SPOON MANAGER
Silver Spoon Manager, Peter, Seymour and Mary Jane sit. Dominique and TINKERER STAND.
Meanwhile, the Tinkerer arrives at the Destine Mansionâ¦
You have the devices?
Five was all I could put together on short notice. Unless you want to bring Mysterio inâ¦?
Our stage is crowded enough. And five should do quite nicely.
Dominique and Tinkerer sit. May, Mary Jane, GREG BISHANSKY, Sally, Gwen, Harry, Kong, Rand, Flash, Liz, Jason, Peter and Seymour STAND.
Later that afternoon, Harryâs rented a party bus, and the gang is en route to the airport, stuck in heavy traffic on the expressway. A very prepared May Parker has a clipboardâ¦
All right, we have three adults and sixteen children â" sorry, sixteen teenagers. Thatâs nineteen sojourners bound for Florida. So why did my headcount come to twenty?
388. MARY JANE
I think you counted the bus driver, Mrs. Parker.
Oh, that I did.
Hey, twist my arm! Iâll go to Miami with you guys!!
Was anyone talking to you?
Then eyes front.
Harry, are you all right?
I dunno. All this stopping and starting. My stomachâs a little queasyâ¦
Dude. Does this bus rock or what?!
Damn right itâs cool. Wouldnât mind taking this baby all the way to Florida.
Excuse me?! Itâs a bus.
Sallyâs right. Weâre not ditching the private jet for a bus. Right, Jason?
It really is a very nice bus though.
Hey, Iâm not offended. I still canât believe the Osborns hired me again. The last time, I got in two-- <impact grunt>
Dude, you totally rear-ended that guy at the tollbooth!
Wonderful. Now, weâll be stuck here forever!
Everybody stay calm.
Ah, man, gotta use the johnâ¦
<laughs> I think Osbornâs gonna hurl!
Oh. My. God! If my hair starts smelling like vomit, Iâll sue you for bus-driver malpractice!!
Bishansky, Sally, Kong, Harry, May, Seymour, Peter, Jason, Liz, Flash, Rand, Gwen and Mary Jane sit. Brooklyn, Lexington, Broadway, Zafiro and Obsidiana STAND.
The sun sets. At the castle, the gargoyles awakenâ¦
415. BROOKLYN, BROADWAY, LEXINGTON
You must be Zafiro.
How did you know?
Strong family resemblance.
Long story. Time travel. The future. A whole other spin-off. Two actuallyâ¦
We donât have time for your âspin-offsâ. Â¿Donde esta Goliath?
He didnât sleep here.
But Iâm sure heâll be back soon.
Heâd better. We have trouble. Demona trouble.
Hi, Obsidiana. Iâm betting you have trouble tooâ¦
Elisa, Obsidiana, Lexington, Broadway, Brooklyn and Zafiro sit. Kraven, Calypso, Curt and Gulyadkin STAND.
And while the clan awaits Goliathâs returnâ¦
It is time, Calypso.
Yes. The forces gather. We can make this one our own.
I demand you let me go!
Hold your tongue, American dog. Or Gulyadkin will hold it for you.
<low lion growl>
Calm yourselfâ¦ This change will not be difficult. The primitive bound within is barely skin-deepâ¦
I-- I donât know what youâre talking about.
I think you do. You see my companion. The details may have been created in a laboratoryâ¦
But the soul of the Hunter â" the beast inside â" was always my own.
What are doing with that doll?
Turning it inside out.
Listen to me, please. Even if you can release the âbeast insideâ, you donât want to! It canât be controlled.
<laughs> Nyet. Not by you perhaps. But my Calypso is not so easily trifled with.
It is timeâ¦
Noooo!!!! <transformation scream>
Curt Connors is transformed by Calypsoâs magic into the Lizard.
Nowâ¦ to the Hunt!
Kraven, LIZARD, Calypso and Gulyadkin sit. Obsidiana, Zafiro, Angela, Elisa, Goliath, Broadway and Brooklyn STAND.
Back at the Castle, Goliath has returned, and the entire clan has gathered. Elisaâs revealed what she knows about Demona. Now, itâs Obsidianaâs turnâ¦
It came from somewhere further south. Two human smugglers carrying an object of great power through the Greenâ¦
My mate is sensitive to these things. We tracked them, but they boarded a jet airplane and were soon out of our reach.
Pero still I could sense great forces gathering. I asked Jade and Turquesa to teach us the way to Avalonâ¦
Gabriel says hello, by the way.
Oh, I miss him. How is he?
Angela, honey, letâs stay on point. I take it Avalon sent you here.
Yes. We nearly achieved the totem, but a ridiculous human dressed in red and blueâ"
454. ELISA, GOLIATH (UNISON)
He did spin webs like a spider. Though from his hands, not hisâ"
Focus, mi amor.
Lo siento. This Man-Spider, he interfered. The smugglers escaped again. Now, power builds on power, rising to a crescendo.
And thatâs bad, right?
Elisaâs cellphone rings.
Itâs Matt. Somethingâs going down at the OsCorp vault off the Expressway. Most of the Taskforce is already here. Stacy and his men too. But Iâm thinking we might needâ¦ âback-upâ. Lots and lots of back-up.
Weâre on our way. Brooklyn, can Bronx and Fu-Dog baby-sit Egwardo?
Good. Because otherwise itâs all hands on deck.
Elisa, Brooklyn, Broadway, Obsidiana, Zafiro, Goliath and Angela sit. George, Morgan and OâNeil STAND.
Okay, Captain. The rest of the Taskforce is on its way.
My men are deployed.
And just in time! Cuz we got Gobby and his Pumpkin-Heads at 12 oâclock!
Green Goblin and Pumpkin Bomb STAND.
468. GREEN GOBLIN
469. PUMPKIN BOMB
And a gargoyle at 3 oâclock!
Thatâs not a gargoyle. Thatâs the Vulture!
You were right, Otto. The police were waiting. And the Goblin is here too. You donât think it could actually be Osborn, still alive, do you?
Doctor Octopus and Electro STAND.
473. DOCTOR OCTOPUS
Do not get distracted by old grudges, Adrian. It hardly matters who wears the Green. His intent is still to prevent me from regaining my arms. You must keep the Goblin and the authorities occupied.
475. DOCTOR OCTOPUS
Now, Electro. Open the vault.
Roger that, Doc!
Electro, already inside, short-circuits the vaultâs electro-magnetic lock.
Tinkerer and Demona STAND.
Electroâs breached the vault.
So predictable. Send in your operatives.
Tinkerer opens a burlap sack, releasing his five âoperativesâ.
HOMUNCULUS #1, HOMUNCULUS #2, HOMUNCULUS #3, HOMUNCULUS #4 and HOMUNCULUS #5 STAND.
481. HOMUNCULUS #1
Homunculi to the rescue!
482. HOMUNCULUS #2
Dirty work to be done!
483. HOMUNCULUS #3
484. HOMUNCULUS #4
Uh oh, somebodyâs language systemâs off-line again.
485. HOMUNCULUS #5
You know it, girlfriend!
Calypso, Kraven and Lizard STAND.
And down in the sewerâ¦
It is right above us, my love. The Power and the Glory. The very keys to the Kingdom.
And Kraven will lay them all at your feet.
Up top, a stretch limo skids to a stop outside the vault. Dominic Dracon and Fancy Dan emerge.
Dracon and FANCY DAN STAND.
All right, boys. Get me those jewels!
492. FANCY DAN
I think what the boss means isâ¦ Destroy the competition!
Carnage, Colonel Jupiter and Venom STAND.
<evil chuckle> Carnage time?
494. FANCY DAN
Yeah. Go. Kill. Whatever.
495. COLONEL JUPITER
Colonel Jupiter will stop the Green Goblin and Vulture in their tracks!
496. FANCY DAN
Knock yourself out. But what are you waiting for?
Someone worthy of our hate. But we have faithâ¦ Heâll comeâ¦
498. GREEN GOBLIN
My, my, the fieldâs getting crowded. Letâs thin the herd. Pumpkin-Heads, release the hounds! <ahem> That was a metaphor. Throw your pumpkin bombs already!
499. PUMPKIN BOMB
Pumpkin Bomb, Green Goblin, Venom, Fancy Dan, Colonel Jupiter, Carnage, Dracon, Lizard, Kraven, Calypso, Homunculus #5, Homunculus #4, Homunculus #3, Homunculus #2, Homunculus #1, Demona, Tinkerer, Electro, Doctor Octopus, Vulture, George, Morgan, OâNeil and Matt SIT. May, Peter, Bishansky, Flash, Kong, Sally, Mary Jane, Gwen and Harry STAND.
Goodness, what was that?
Something The Bugle will want pictures of. Open the door.
Peter Parker, I am not letting you off this bus in the middle of the expressway.
Aunt May weâre at a complete standstill. And you donât have to worry. Iâll use my telephoto lens. I wonât be anywhere near the action.
I suppose it is your jobâ¦ Open the door.
Thanks, Aunt May. You rock!
If Puny Parkerâs going, Iâm going too!
Eugene Thompson, you sit your backside down in that seat right this minute.
Whatâs he going to take pictures with? I saw his camera get blown up two months ago.
513. MARY JANE
Peteâs a professional photographer, Sally. Iâm sure he has more than one camera.
Harryâ¦ Are you all right in there?
<vomit noise> Ugh, donât come in. It really isnât pretty.
Harry, Gwen, Mary Jane, Sally, Kong, Flash, May, Peter and Bishansky sit. Broadway, Goliath, Brooklyn, Angela, Elisa, Zafiro and Obsidiana STAND.
The clan alights on a rise overlooking the battlefield.
Whoa, what a messâ¦
We will split our forces. Brooklyn, Lexington, Broadway, Obsidiana, Zafiro with me.
Shouldnât I lead the other contingent?
I need your experience and your weapons at my side.
Donât worry, Brooklyn, weâve got it covered.
Angela, Hudson, Katana, Gnash, Coldstone and Coldfire glide toward the battle.
523. BROOKLYN, BROADWAY (UNISON)
You know Iâm going with you.
Not this time, Elisa. You must join your fellow officersâ¦
When all is settled, we shall need your help to cover our retreat from this conflagrationâ¦ You know this is true.
Elisa sits. Spider-Man STANDS.
Elisa makes her way down the hill. Goliath and the others glide to the Vaultâs roof. Spider-Man lands there at the same time.
530. SPIDER-MAN, ZAFIRO (UNISON)
Hold, Spider-Man. I have a friend who knows your Captain Stacy.
This policeman believes in you. So I choose to believe in you as well.
Says the eight-foot tall medieval monster. But I get it. Weâre on the same side. So letâs go kick some Pumpkin-Butt!
Â¡Idiota! That battle is a mere distraction.
The true danger lies withinâ¦
All right, all right, you had me at âIdiotaâ.
The gargoyles rip open the rooftop. The seven heroes descend, but someone watchesâ¦
Spider-Man, Obsidiana, Zafiro, Goliath, Broadway and Brooklyn sit. Venom and Fancy Dan STAND.
And there goes our Broâ¦
540. FANCY DAN
You going in? That wasnât the plan!
And how do intend to stop us?
542. FANCY DAN
Fine, go. But if you see my Ricochet suit, bring it out!
Fancy Dan and Venom sit. Foswell, Jonah and Robbie STAND.
See, J.J. The tip from Draconâs old chauffer was right on the money.
Whaddaya want, a fershlugginer medal?! Letâs get in there!
Slow down, Jonah. I promised Joan I wouldnât let you lose your head, figuratively or literally.
Forget my head! Who cares about my head?! My boy needs me!
Ned and Colonel Jupiter STAND.
Looks to me like your boyâs doing pretty well, Chief!
548. COLONEL JUPITER
Take that, miscreants!
Ned, how did youâ"
Tip from one of the pumpkin-heads. Foswellâs not the only one with sources.
You two can naked mud-wrestle over whoâs the biggest brown-noser later. For now, Robbie, if you donât let go of me in zero-point-zero seconds, Iâll dropkick you to next Season! And thereâs no guarantee thereâll be a next Season!
Jonah breaks away from Robbie, but his path is blockedâ¦
Get back! You want to wind up street pizza!
But thatâs my son up there.
Yeah, well, at least heâs fighting on the right side.
556. COLONEL JUPITER
Nothing stands against the might of Colonel Jupiter!
Does he always talk like that?
Bombasticism runs in the family.
Robbie, Elisa, Colonel Jupiter, Jonah, Ned and Foswell sit. Vulture, Carnage, Green Goblin, Angela, Fancy Dan, Matt and Dracon STAND.
Jupiter takes down Pumpkin-Heads right and left. Hudson squares off against Vulture.
Why do I get the old guy?
Youâre old. Heâs old. Itâs parallelism. Get over it.
Coldstone and Coldfire isolate Carnage.
No fair! These two donât spatter at all!
Angela and Katana take on the Goblin.
564. GREEN GOBLIN
Oh, goody. Gobby likes getting down and dirty with the hotties.
Oh, you did not just say that.
And little Gnash goes after Fancy Dan.
567. FANCY DAN
Admit it, you gave me the kid because Iâm short?
Even Detective Bluestone gets into the act.
Youâre confused. Iâm G.F. Benton, a certified public accountant. I think Iâll be going nowâ¦
Yeah. Back to Ravencroft, you old nutter!
But inside, things are a bit more seriousâ¦
Matt, Dracon, Fancy Dan, Angela, Green Goblin, Carnage and Vulture sit. Electro and Doctor Octopus STAND.
Got your arms, Doc!
574. DOCTOR OCTOPUS
And my Megalo-Pack?
Youâre Mega-what now?
576. DOCTOR OCTOPUS
My power-source, Maxwell.
Right, right. No. Thatâs not here.
578. DOCTOR OCTOPUS
Homunculus #1, Homunculus #2 and Homunculus #3 STAND.
579. HOMUNCULUS #1
Gotta get the true treasure!
580. HOMUNCULUS #2
Bring it back to the big Smurfette!
581. HOMUNCULUS #3
Blunk hates getting wet!
Three Homunculi fly deeper into the vault to retrieve Demonaâs prize.
Homunculus #3, Homunculus #2 and Homunculus #1 sit. Zafiro, Spider-Man, Lexington, Homunculus #5, Goliath, Brooklyn, Broadway and Obsidiana STAND.
What are those things?!
584. SPIDER-MAN, LEXINGTON (UNISON)
And I got one!
586. HOMUNCULUS #5
Leggo, you big bully!
<ugh> What an annoying voiceâ¦
588. HOMUNCULUS #5
(aside to audience)
Look whoâs talking.
â¦But I might be able to use it to take control of the others.
I think I can help.
Youâll be a little too busy for that, Bro.
Friend of yours?
Once upon a time. Not so much now.
595. VENOM, SPIDER-MAN
<add-lib battle sounds>
A little help?
Brooklyn blasts Venom, who collapses.
Sonic Cannon. Circa 2198. Guess my weapons do come in handy.
Just cover me until I can get this workingâ¦
Demona and Tinkerer STAND.
Whatâs wrong, Tinkerer? Why havenât they returned?
Someoneâs trying to counter their programming. He wonât succeed.
He had better not.
My hackâs being hacked!
Heâs overriding my override!
Homunculus #4 STANDS.
606. HOMUNCULUS #4
Go right. Go left. Go right. Go left. Blow up!
Homunculus #4 blows up. But so does Homunculus #5 in Lexingtonâs hands!
Homunculus #4 and Homunculus #5 sit.
610. DOCTOR OCTOPUS
This is madness! Grab my arms and get me out of here!
Workinâ on it!
Electro blasts away, until he and Doc Ock are blindsided byâ¦
Kraven, Gulyadkin, Lizard and Calypso STAND.
613. ELECTRO, DOCTOR OCTOPUS
Look, itâs Claw.
Thatâs not Claw.
Well, itâs sure not Maggie.
Is that an actual lion?
Lizard, too? Seriously, this is way over the top.
Homunculus #1 and Homunculus #2 STAND.
622. HOMUNCULUS #1
Got the gizmo!
623. HOMUNCULUS #2
Homunculi never fail!
Two homunculi fly past, carrying a sealed container down a dark corridor.
625. CALYPSO, OBSIDIANA (UNISON)
(pointing at each other)
Donât let her near it!
Go, Calypso! Leave them to us!
Â¡Vaya, mi amor!
We got your back, Goliath! Go!
Think Iâll tag along tooâ¦
Spider-Man, Obsidiana, Calypso, Homunculus #2, Homunculus #1, Goliath, Tinkerer and Demona sit.
Calypso, Obsidiana, Goliath and Spider-Man race down the corridor.
Lizard, take the reptile!
Â¡No soy ningÃºn reptil! Â¡Soy un GÃ¡rgolo!
633. ZAFIRO, LIZARD
<ad-lib battle sounds>
Gulyadkin and Kraven attack Lex and Broadway!
Hey, get him off me!
Kinda busy at the moment!
639. GULYADKIN, LEXINGTON, KRAVEN, BROADWAY
Brooklyn steps in and pulls both cats off his rookery brothers. They turn on him.
642. BROADWAY, LEXINGTON (UNISON)
All for one!
The two gargoyles return the favor, knocking Kraven and Gulyadkin aside. Then Brooklyn blasts them both.
And one for all!
645. KRAVEN, GULYADKIN
Some things never change.
Zafiro throws Lizardâs unconscious body on top of Kravenâ¦
648. KRAVEN, LIZARD
We should follow Obsidianaâ¦
650. ZAFIRO, BROOKLYN, LEXINGTON, BROADWAY
The four gargoyles are dropped by Electroâs blast.
Still want out?
653. DOCTOR OCTOPUS
Indeed not. My curiosity is piqued. Letâs see where this leadsâ¦
Doctor Octopus, Electro, Broadway, Lexington, Brooklyn, Zafiro, Gulyadkin, Kraven and Lizard sit. Demona, Homunculus #1 and Homunculus #2 STAND.
Electro and Octopus head down the corridorâ¦ In a dimly lit room, Demona holds the Spear of Destiny and watches as the two homunculi open the container. Insideâ¦ is a crown of thorns.
The Crown of Thorns!
Demona removes her tiara.
Place it on my headâ¦
658. HOMUNCULUS #1
659. HOMUNCULUS #2
Homunculi aim to please!
The Homunculi gently lower the crown onto Demonaâs head before disappearing back into the darkness. The thorns bite into her brow, drawing blood. Calypso, Obsidiana, Goliath and Spidey come rushing in.
Homunculus #2 and Homunculus #1 sit. Spider-Man, Goliath, Calypso and Obsidiana STAND.
My Kingdom come. My Will be doneâ¦
Friend of yours?
Once upon a time. Not so much now.
On Earth as it is in Heavenâ¦
For MINE is the Kingdom and the Power and the Glory for ever and everâ¦
668. CALYPSO, OBSIDIANA, SPIDER-MAN (UNISON)
Light radiates outward from the Spear. Goliath watches in confusion as Calypso, Obsidiana and Spider-Man drop to their knees before Demona. Octopus and Electro enter and likewise fall to their knees. The light reaches the outer vault. Though still unconscious, Venom, Lizard, Zafiro and Kraven lurch to their feet, then drop to their knees. And still the light advancesâ¦
Obsidiana and Calypso sit.
What sorcery is this?!
The most powerful human sorcery ever created, Goliath. This is humanityâs Armageddon. Their entire raceâs final act.
END ACT TWO
NEXT: ACT THREE...
G2009 Radio Play - Act One
The Spectacular Spider-Man Meets Gargoyles. RELIGIOUS STUDIES 101: A HANDFUL OF THORNS. Act One. Late that night atop the Eyrie Buildingâ¦
Dominique and Kafka sit. GOLIATH and ELISA MAZA STAND and KISS.
5. GOLIATH, ELISA
There are some human customs I will never get used to Elisa. <kisses her again> This is not one of them.
Youâre in a good mood.
I am. Hudson and Lexington are back from Europe, bringing Coldstone and Coldfire with them.
<chuckle> Not to mention Brooklyn returning from forty years of TimeDancing with a mate, a son, a beast and an egg.
The clan has doubled in size. What challenge can the Fates throw at us now that we cannotâ"
The sun rises. Goliath turns to stone.
<groan> You just had to say that out loud, didnât you?
Elisa and Goliath sit. MAY PARKER and PETER PARKER STAND.
Meanwhile, in Forest Hillsâ¦
Peter, what are you doing up?
Studying for todayâs English final. Itâs on Midsummer Nightâs Dream. And I missed seeing the Cliff Notes version.
Which may explain why you and Miss Allan are no longer a couple.
Aunt May, you know we didnât break up because I missed her play.
Youâre right; I shouldnât be glib. I suppose thereâs no chance that you and Gwenâ¦
I donât know. Not now anyway. Not when Harryâs hurting so much from the death of his father.
It hardly seems possible that Norman Osborn is gone. The Bugle says he was the Green Goblin, but Iâm not sure I can believe that.
Sometimes, Aunt Mayâ¦ itâs, okay, to believe everything you readâ¦
May and Peter sit. GREEN GOBLIN and BLACKIE GAXTON STAND.
At a dive bar downtown, the Green Goblin BURSTS in on his gliderâ¦
23. GREEN GOBLIN
<tsk, tsk, tsk> Blackie. This place is scummy even by your pond-scum standards. Quite a comedown from your last gigâ¦
Tell that to the whacko who set a flaming super-villain loose in The Big Sky. Oh, wait. That was you.
25. GREEN GOBLIN
Yes. Yes, it was. <maniacal laugh>
Werenât you supposed to be dead?
27. GREEN GOBLIN
I was also supposed to be Osborn, but you didnât buy that, did you? Just one of the many little tricks I keep up my sleeve. Nothingâs changed, Blackie. The Goblinâs still in charge.
You hear me arguing?
29. GREEN GOBLIN
No. Now, gather my Pumpkin-Headsâ¦
Blackie and Goblin sit. Kafka and Dominique STAND.
At Ravencroft, Dominique Destine and Dr. Kafka supervises six inmates who work to excavate a sub-basement.
I still donât understand what you expect to find down here.
Vertros Ravencroft, the founder of this Institute, was a quirky soul. An intimate friend of Freud and Conan Doyle, he was a true believer in both psychotherapy and spiritualism.
You speak as if you knew him.
Now how would that be possible?
It couldnât, of courseâ¦ But the dig?
Yes. Ravencroft was also a collector. I have reason to believe he buried certain items of his collection here. Now, Doctor, didnât you say you had meetings scheduledâ¦
Youâll be all right down here alone?
Your orderlies are in the hallway. And Iâm quite self-sufficient. So run along.
Kafka sits. OTTO OCTAVIUS STANDS.
Excellent work, Doctor Octavius. Very precise.
Thank you. I appreciate having something to occupy my handsâ¦
Your hands? Notâ¦ your arms?
Arms? Iâ¦ I hope youâre not referring to my unfortunateâ¦ b-b-breakdown.
What would be the point? Believe me, Doctor, no one better understands the advantage of creating a false front.
Iâve blasted away another section of cement.
Thank you, Maxwell.
Donât. Call. Me. That.
Donât. Tell. Me. What to doâ¦ Electro.
(asides to Otto)
Sheâs a little scary.
Otto and Electro sit. DOMINIC DRACON, JOHN JAMESON, EDDIE BROCK and CLETUS KASSADY STAND.
I blame Mace. When that crook cheated me, I lost face. But when I get the jewels back, theyâll respect me again. Did Mace bury the jewels here?
Maybe he did, Dominic. Keep working.
Whatâs the point? How is tearing up a basement supposed to bring me Colonel Jupiterâs power?!
Shut up and dig.
You like doing this?!
I hate it. But I need that hate. I need to keep the hate alive.
Such an interesting crew. And what do you want out of life, Cletusâ¦
Nothing too fancy. <chuckles> Just a little carnage.
Cletus, Dominique, Eddie, John and Dracon sit. GWEN STACY and Peter STAND.
That afternoon, at Midtown Highâ¦
Hey, Pete. Howâd you do?
Ugh, horrible, probably. I mean you know English is like my worst subject. Itâs all so subjective andâ"
Okay, okayâ¦ not the look! I probably aced it. Happy?
That you did well. Always.
Thanks. Look, Gwen, I--
HARRY OSBORN STANDS.
Well, what have we here? My best friend and girlfriend conferring in a corner. Planning a surprise party for me?
Uh, itâs not your birthday, Harr.
I thought maybe it was a thank you bash. For giving you both theseâ¦
âYou are cordially invited to spend Spring Break traveling by private jet to Miami, where youâll stay, all-expenses-paid, at the Osborn Winter Compound on the Beachâ¦"
Youâre inviting the three of us to spend a week together in Florida?
Not just the three of usâ¦
KENNY KONG, FLASH THOMPSON and MARY JANE WATSON stand.
Osborn, dude! You rock!
Seven days in the sun and surf.
All you can eat!
Girls in bikinis!
75. FLASH, KONG (UNISON)
76. MARY JANE
Hi, Sha Shan. Hi, Glory.
Sha Shanâ¦ uhâ¦ Soâ¦ how much of that did you hear?
Look, Glory, you know I meant you, right? I mean who else would I want to see in a bikini. Uh, youâre not gonna break up with me again, are you?
Kong and Flash sit. SALLY AVRIL, RAND ROBERTSON, LIZ ALLAN and JASON IONELLO STAND.
Oh. My. God. Harry, I just found the invitation in my locker. And all I have to say is that you can be my super-dweeb sugar-daddy anytime you want!
You okay with that Rand?
âScool. You can be my super-dweeb sugar-daddy too.
Exactly how many people did you invite to this thing?
A handful. Kenny and Glory. Flash and Sha Shan. Rand and Sally. Hobie and Mindy. M.J. Gwen. Oh, and you and Liz, of course.
Harryâ¦ Liz and Peter broke up.
You did?! Wow. I had no idea. Guess Iâve just been so focused on my own problems. My Dad dying and everything. Thatâs why I need this trip. Gotta clear my head, you know? But maybe you two could reconcileâ¦
I donât think so!
Itâs too late for that Harry. Iâm with Jason now. We totally fell in love doing the play together.
89. SALLY / LIZ (UNISON)
Yes, you did. / Yes, we did.
You donât mind if I bring Jason instead of Petey, do you.
The more the merrier.
Thanks, Harry. Youâre a doll. Kisses!
Liz, Sally, Jason and Rand sit.
Pete, youâre still invited too. Course, itâs more of a coupleâs thing. But M.J.âs guy is in prisonâ¦
94. MARY JANE
Thank you, Harry. Hadnât been reminded of that in the last five minutes.
Sorry, sorry. Itâs just that I canât help remembering the Fall Formal. You two made such a great pair! Donât you think so, Gwen?
Iâ¦ suppose we could goâ¦ as friends. Just as friends.
98. MARY JANE
Weâll talk later, Tiger.
Mary Jane, Peter, Gwen and Harry sit. Kafka and CURT CONNORS STAND.
Late that afternoon in Dr. Kafkaâs officeâ¦
Doctor Connors, itâs good to see you. Iâd heard you moved to Florida.
I did. But I never stopped working on a cure for Max Dillon. I think Iâve made some real progress.
Thatâs wonderful news. Max is downstairsâ¦ doing âwork-therapyâ. Iâll take you to himâ¦
Kafka and Curt sit. Otto, Dominique, Electro, Dracon, John, Eddie and Cletus STAND.
Ms. Destine. I think I found something.
Is it my jewels?
Itâ¦ it appears to be a spearhead. It looks quite old.
Give it to me.
Yes. This is it. I think weâre done, boys.
Indeed. And just as the dig brought us right up against Ravencroftâs outer wall.
You mean this wall?!
Electro blasts a huge hole in the wall. When the smoke clears, the Vulture is waiting. He grabs Octavius.
Youâre coming with me, Otto.
No, no, stop. I donât want this life anymoreâ¦ Iâm trying to get better!! Let me go!!
Shut it, Doc! Itâs for your own good!
Otto, Electro and Vulture sit.
Vulture and Electro leave with Octavius. Dominique watches them go.
Well, that was diverting. And such excellent timing as well: itâs sunset. <transformation scream>
With the setting of the sun, Dominique Destine transforms into a gargoyleâ¦ just as Kafka and Connors enterâ¦
Kafka and Curt STAND.
119. KAFKA / CURT
Oh my godâ¦ / What in the world?!
Demona effortlessly slams them both against a wall and turns to the remaining inmatesâ¦
121. CURT, KAFKA
Listen carefully, humans. For I have listened to you. I can make all your petty little dreams come true. Dominic demands respect.
John craves power.
Eddie needs hate.
And all Cletus desires is a little carnage.
Or a lot. Iâm not picky.
Then stick with me, boys. Respect, power, hatred, carnage. These are things I knowâ¦
DEMONA, Cletus, Eddie, John and Dracon sit. ALAN OâNEIL and GEORGE STACY STAND.
Later, the police arrive to investigateâ¦
And you never met this broad before in your lifeâ¦
She had excellent references, Officer OâNeil. Itâs not like I grant just anyone access to my patientsâ¦
And you wonder why people think they belong at Rykers.
Thereâs nothing else you can tell me, Doctor?
Iâm sorry, Captain Stacy, but no. It was a creature.
Like that Lizard-thing from last fall?
No! No. Nothing like that. More likeâ¦ like those things on the news that blew up the clock tower.
You mean the 23rd Precinct.
Youâre saying a gargoyle kidnapped those men.
Yes. No. I donât know. Can I leave now?
George, OâNeil and Kafka sit. DILBERT TRILBY and NED LEE stand.
Doctor Connors! Dilbert Trilby, Action News. What can you tell our audience about the escape?
Nothing. No comment.
Hey, Doc. Remember me? Ned Lee from The Bugle. Can you just tell me who escaped? Doc Ock? Electro? Colonel Jupiter â" I mean, Colonel Jameson?
Iâm sure the police will issue a statement. Now, I have to go.
Trilby sits. CALYPSO EZILI, KRAVEN THE HUNTER and GULYADKIN STAND.
Connors hurries away down the street, as a limousine with dark-tinted windows pulls up in front of Ravencroft.
We are too late, my love. The Christian Totem is gone.
Gulyadkin and I will track it for you.
<low lion growl>
Iâm afraid that is beyond even your impressive abilities, Sergei, my love. But I have my own ways, as you well knowâ¦
Of course, Calypso.
Who is that? That man trying to hail a cab?
He is a stranger to my eyes. Yet his scent is familiar.
His aura glows with primal energies and may be of use to us.
You need a ride.
What? No. No, thank you. Iâll get a cab.
She wasnât asking.
Kraven drags Connors into the limo, which quickly drives awayâ¦
Curt, Kraven, Calypso and Gulyadkin sit.
Hello, Robbie? Iâve got something.
J. JONAH JAMESON, JOE âROBBIEâ ROBERTSON and FREDERICK FOSWELL STAND.
Is that Lee? Put him on speaker.
Now, Jonah, stay calmâ¦
Donât you tell me to stay calm, Joe Robertson. Itâs not your son at risk. Lee, you there?! Iâll give you exactly three-point-seven seconds to tell me Johnâs all right!
Wish I could, Chief. But he disappeared with the rest. There are six inmaâ" uh, patients missing. Itâs not clear if they busted out or were kidnapped.
Well, of course John was kidnapped. You think my son would--
Ned, give me the whole list.
Who cares about the listâ"
It could provide a lead to John.
Doc Ock. Electro. John. Uhâ¦ letâs see. Edward Brock Jr., Cletus Kasady and Dominic Dracon.
Dominic Dracon? The old mob boss? Thereâs a name I havenât heard in a while.
Foswell, you know that world! Find out where Dracon might have gone!
You got it, J.J.
Lee, you stick to the damn super-villain angle! Ock, Electro. Whatâs their next move?!
Robbie, I want every available man on this. No, damnit, I want every man, woman and child on this, available or not. Call Parker. Put Benny the copyboy on it. But Ms. Brant on it. I want John Jameson safely back in his motherâs arms in six-pointâ¦ six-pointâ¦
Itâs okay, Jonah. Weâre on it.
Good. Good. Iâllâ¦ Iâll hit the streets myself. Iâm still the best damn reporter in New York City! Just have to make a call first. Well, what are you all waiting for, get out! Out!
Robbie, Ned and Foswell sit.
179. JONAH (CONT)
Hello, is this WVRN? Travis Marshall, please. Travis? Itâs Jonah. I got a lead for you on the Ravencroft thing.
Whaddayou care why Iâm helping the competition?! I know I hate television! You donât have to tell me that! Iâm not trying to sandbag you, damnit, Iâ¦ Iâm just trying to find my sonâ¦ any way I can.
Jonah sits. SPIDER-MAN STANDS.
That night finds Spider-Man swinging through the cityâ¦
181. PETER (VO)
If I didnât know better, Iâd think Harry was trying to torture me and Gwen. Then again, M.J. is quite the consolation prize. Ah, man, what am I saying? Iâm in love with Gwen. Gwen. Gwendolyn Stacy. Just have to get through the next few weeks and then Harryâll be in a better place, and she and I--
Peteâs ringtone plays Itsy-Bitsy Spider.
Pete. Joe Robertson. Thereâs been an incident at Ravencroft.
Uh huhâ¦ uh huhâ¦ Wait, whoâs missing? Uh oh. Him too? Oh, crap. Sorry, I mean-- What?! Seriously?! Uh, right. Yeah, Iâll keep my eyes open. Camera lens at the ready. Thanks for the heads up. Bye.
Whoa. At least this day canât get any worse!
SMUGGLER #1 stands.
186. SMUGGLER #1
What the hell are those things?!
When am I gonna learn not to say that out loud?
Spidey swings down to find two men in a van being attacked by two gargoyles, Obsidiana and Zafiroâ¦
ZAFIRO and OBSIDIANA STAND.
Hi there. Hate to interrupt, but this lady-esque-blue-creature-thing matches the description of another lady-esque-blue-creature-thing who just busted some folks out of Ravenâ"
What is he babbling about?
I have no idea. I sense no connection between him and the source of the disturbance. But these twoâ¦
192. SMUGGLER #1
Keep her away from us!!
You see, now Iâm on the horns of a dilemmaâ¦ Uh, no offense. Itâs just an expression; I wasnât referring to your rather strikingâ¦ Never mind. See in this particular Spider-Manâs experience, when genetic misfits attack ordinary human beings, Iâm gonna have to side with the humans.
QuÃ© sorpresa. A human with no knowledge of the situation leaping to defend one of his own.
Zafiro attacks Spidey.
196. ZAFIRO, SPIDER-MAN
<ad lib battle efforts, impacts>
Obsidiana rips open the top of the van.
199. SMUGGLER #1
The two humans open fire on her, forcing her to leap awayâ¦ The van peels out. Obsidiana tries to follow, but Spidey webs her wings together.
Smuggler #1 sits.
Por favor! You donât understand the powers that are gathering!!
And youâre the one doing the Gathering, I take it!
Zafiro slams Spidey into a wall. By the time the web-slinger recovers, the gargoyles are goneâ¦
Zafiro and Obsidiana sit.
<groan> For a guy with no legs, that snake-thing can moveâ¦
Spider-Man sits. George and MARIA CHAVEZ STAND.
Not far awayâ¦
Captain Stacy. What brings you to whatâs left of the 23rd?
Itâs the Ravencroft thing. Iâve got corroborating witnesses telling me a gargoyle was involved.
<sigh> I miss the days when being a cop didnât involve a working knowledge of The Twilight Zone.
Welcome to the Freak Show.
Anyway, as it happens, the Gargoyle Taskforce is meeting right now. First trailer on the right. Ask for Bluestone.
Chavez sits. MATT BLUESTONE, MORGAN MORGAN, MARGOT YALE and Elisa STAND.
And thatâs all I knowâ¦
Well, that is interesting, or, you knowâ¦ really, really scary.
Iâll say, Detective. With or without a gargoyle, Iâve heard Ock and Electro are bad news. And that Cletus Kasady: he killed five people before--
Forget Kasady. Any idiot can bring a serial killer down. Itâs the gargoyle we should be concerned with. Itâs what Iâve been saying all along! Those monsters are dangerous!
I think what A.D.A. Yale is saying, Captain, is that the Taskforce is on it. Weâll let you know if we hear anything. And weâll be checking in with all our sources, wonât we, Detective?
Elisa, Matt, Margot, Morgan and George sit. Smuggler #1 and Demona STAND.
Meanwhile, a van with a torn up roof pulls up to a Gramercy Park Mansionâ¦ The driver speaks into the intercomâ¦
223. SMUGGLER #1
Longinus sent me.
Leave the package. Then take your money and go. While you still can.
225. SMUGGLER #1
Geez, who lives here? Draculaâs daughter?
Smuggler #1 sits. Eddie, John and Cletus STAND.
Demona collects her package.
The old guyâs asleep. Whatâs that?
A simple wooden shaft. The prize of Adolph Hitlerâs personal collection. After hisâ¦ demise, his remaining followers smuggled it to Brazil. I paid handsomely to have it smuggled to me.
Why? I mean sure, itâs the shaft of a spear. Completes the set with that arrowhead you took from Ravencroft. But why do we care?
Demona joins the spear and spearhead together. Instantly, it radiates incredible power.
The Holy Lance. The Spear of Destiny. The weapon that pierced the side of the Christ. Do you still want power, John? This is power.
Give it to me. Give it!
No. This power is mine. But I will use it to give you back your ownâ¦
She points the Spear at John Jameson. The magic surrounds him and transforms him into Colonel Jupiter!
236. COLONEL JUPITER
<transformation scream> Yes! The power is mine! I am Colonel Jupiter!
For what thatâs worthâ¦ Now for Eddie.
Extremely. We are Venom again.
And what about you, Cletus?
(pointing at Venom)
Iâll have what heâs havingâ¦
As you wishâ¦ Carnage.
All right, Demona. Youâre the Mirror Universe Wizard of Oz. But what now?
Mine is the Power. But I still require the Kingdom and the Glory. This is only the first act, humansâ¦ or whatever you are now. The main event is still to comeâ¦
Demona, VENOM, CARNAGE and COLONEL JUPITER sit.
END ACT ONE
TOMORROW: ACT TWO...
G2008 Radio Play (Chapter VII)
XANATOS, COLDSTEEL & COYOTE STAND.
NOVEMBER 2, 6:46AM EST. Scarab Corp. Coldsteel looks on, as David Xanatos installs a diamond inside Coyote 5.0.
And what would that be?
Itâs called the Coyote Diamondâ¦
Chapter Seven: The Rock.
The stoneâs flawless surfaces and clarity increase the speed of--
Iâm sorry I asked.
My apologies. Iâm sure youâre much more interested in your own situation.
I was under the impression I had free will.
And you do. I promise summoning you was a one-time event. On the other hand, your unit does include a built-in tracking deviceâ¦ which Iâm happy to deactivateâ¦
Permanently. All I ask in return is help on one small errand. Are we agreed?
We are agreed.
XANATOS, COLDSTEEL & COYOTE sit. TALON, SATO, MAGGIE & ELISA STAND.
3:52PM EST. The Labyrinth. Talon cradles Maggie the Cat, as Dr. Jay Sato examines her. Elisa Maza looks on.
How is she, Doc?
Well, her pulse is fine, and her injuries seem to be healing nicelyâ¦
See, Derek, I said you were worried over nothing.
But Iâm a surgeon. Treating someone in Maggieâsâ¦ âconditionâ is really not my area.
Not anyoneâs, Dr. Sato. Anyone we dare trust anyway.
Itâs as if youâve revealed a new world to meâ¦
Yep, youâre a medical pioneer.
Pioneer or not, she needs an O.B.
TALON, SATO, MAGGIE & ELISA sit. Macbeth, BROOKLYN, GOLIATH, BROADWAY, OWEN & Xanatos STAND.
4:50PM EST. Eyrie Building. As the sun sets, Owen Burnett and Macbeth wait for Goliath to wake. NOVEMBER 2, 5:12PM EST. Inside the Great Hall, Macbeth addresses Goliath, Brooklyn, Hudson, Angela, Broadway, Bronx and Lexington.
Itâs called the Stone of Destiny. For centuries the kings of Scotland were crowned upon it at Sconeâ¦
Magic talking stone. Weâve heard of it.
Yes, well, the English stole it. Now, after eight hundred years, itâs finally being returned. Iâm asking for your help to ensure it gets to Scotland safely.
Donât you haveâ¦ minionsâ¦ for this?
Weâve parted ways. Please, Goliath. Many â" including your landlord â" would stop at nothing to get the Stone.
I have been wounded twice in one week. I am healed â" but not whole. But my second, Brooklyn, can lead Broadway, Lexington and Angela to join your quest.
Yeah, weâre goinâ to Scotland!!
Well, England to start with--
I donât know, Goliath, if youâre recovering, maybe this is the wrong time to send me overseas.
Ahâ¦ Yes. You are needed here. Hudson may lead this expedition.
Owen, watching the exchange by closed circuit, talks on the phone to Xanatos, whoâs about to board a private plane.
Yes, Macbeth, Hudson, Broadway, Angela and Lexingtonâ¦ Shall I attempt to stop them?
That wonât be necessary. I believe Iâve planned for this contingency.
Back in the Great Hall, Angela whispers in Broadwayâs ear.
Uhâ¦ yeahâ¦ Manhattanâs dangerous right now. Me and Angelaâll stay too. To help Brooklyn.
Thatâs great. Thanks.
Macbeth, Brooklyn, Goliath, Broadway, Owen & Xanatos sit. SHARI STANDS.
NOVEMBER 3, 5:29AM EST. Nightstone Unlimited. Shari and Thailog are in Dominique Destineâs office.
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" of two brothers who both loved the same female. And though all strife comes to an end one way or another, some conflicts refuse to stay dead. Xanatos and Demona used science and sorcery to create a monster from fragments of all three gargoyles, their bodies and souls. But in the end, the souls were segregated into Coldstone, Coldfire and Coldsteel. Itâs really a timeless love story.
SHARI sits. Macbeth, CUSTOMS OFFICIAL, LEXINGTON & HUDSON STAND.
3:00PM GMT. London. A private jet lands. Customs Officials greet Macbeth, as workers wheel two large crates from the planeâs hold.
55. CUSTOMS OFFICIAL
57. CUSTOMS OFFICIAL
Welcome to England, sir. Anything to declare?
Works of art for my home in Berkeley Square.
59. CUSTOMS OFFICIAL
Have to have a look in, sir.
The crates are opened, revealing Lexington and Hudson, frozen in stone. 4:30PM GMT. Macbeth waits on the roof of his Berkeley Square Townhouse for Hudson and Lexington to wake. The sun sets. 5:07PM. Itâs past sunset. Hudson and Lex are STILL frozen in stone. 6:15PM. Night. No change. 7:01PM. Macbeth grows concerned. 7:45PM. Hudson and Lex finally wake.
62. LEXINGTON, HUDSON
Whoa, I donât feel so hotâ¦ and look how dark it is? How long have we been asleep?
Welcome, lad, to the wonderful world of jetlag. Donât worry. Youâve got ten days to adjust before they move the Stone.
Macbeth, CUSTOMS OFFICIAL, LEXINGTON & HUDSON sit. Shari, INTERCOM & VINNIE STAND.
NOVEMBER 4, 5:30AM EST. Nightstone. Thailog soaks in a jacuzzi. Shari sits nearby.
The story is told -- though who can say if it be true-- of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abrahamâ¦ who fled the wrath of his brother Esau to a place he would call Bethel, where he laid his head upon a stone and had a wondrous vision!
5:35AM EST. J.F.K.
Flight 994, now boarding all rowsâ¦
Can you believe it? Iâm goinâ to Japan!
Shari, Intercom & Vinnie sit. Goliath & Elisa STAND.
9:48PM EST. Goliathâs Tower.
About Halloweenâ¦ I will not hold you to words spoken when you believed my life hung in the balance.
Even if I want to be held?
I know you care for me. That is not at issue. But what of the things I cannot give youâ¦ picnicsâ¦ normalcyâ¦?
We can have a picnic anytimeâ¦ and normalcyâs so over-rated.
She runs her fingers through his hair. He takes her into his arms and kisses her.
Goliath & Elisa sit. Shari STANDS.
NOVEMBER 5, 5:31AM EST. Nightstone. Thailog and Shari look out over the city.
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" that Gathelus, a son of the king of Athens, won many victories for the Pharaoh of Egypt, who rewarded the prince with the hand of his beloved: Pharaohâs own daughter, Scota. But Gathelus had also befriended Moses, the Hebrew, who warned his young friends of the plagues to befall the Kingdom of the Nile. Gathelus and Scota determined to leave Egypt, and Moses entrusted them with Jacobâs Pillow, the Hebrewsâ sacred stoneâ¦
NOVEMBER 6, 5:32AM EST. ST. DAMIENâS CATHEDRAL. Thailog, Shari and Brentwood search for something.
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" that Gathelus fled Egypt with his wife and the Stone of the Hebrews. He sought landfall on the rocky shores of Samothrace, for Scota was heavy with child and could go no farther. Still destiny blessed them with fine twin sonsâ¦
6:00AM EST. Thailog flies Shari across the city. Brentwood follows.
Gathelus and his family would wander the globe for two years before finding a home on the Iberian Peninsula in a place they named the Port of Gathelus, or Portugal. By this time the family had grown: the Athenian prince and Egyptian princess now had four healthy boys in their care not to mention one large Stone.
NOVEMBER 7, 5:33AM EST. Thailog and Shari begin a game of chess.
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" that after the death of her beloved Gathelus, Scota departed Portugal with her eight sonsâ¦ only to lose five of the boys at seaâ¦ while Scota herself and another son died warriorâs deaths upon landing in Ireland. But her eldest boy, Eremon, and her youngest, Eber Finn, survived, and Eremon was crowned king upon the Stone at Tara.
Shari sits. Xanatos & FOX stand.
2:18PM GMT. Mayfair. Xanatos takes Alexander from Fox.
Darling, if you like the shoes, buy themâ¦
The black manolos in the windowâ¦ do you have them in a size nine? Lovely. Wrap them up, please.
2:45PM GMT. Fox exits the store.
7:19PM GMT. Fox admires her new shoes in the full-length mirror of her hotel room. Xanatos admires the shoebox.
Darling? Do you still need this shoeboxâ¦ or might I dispose of it?
Xanatos & Fox sit. Shari & THAILOG STAND.
NOVEMBER 8, 5:34AM EST. Nightstone. Thailog and Shari continue their chess game.
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" of Moses, who led the Hebrews out of Egypt and into the desertâ¦ bringing forth water from Jacobâs Pillow to quench their--
You said Moses gave the Stone to Gathelus and Scota before leading the Hebrews out of Egypt!
The story is toldâ¦
<pause> Though who can say if it be true? Right. Continue.
The Hebrews passed the Stone down the centuries, until the prophet Jeremiah offered it in dowry to King Eochaid of Ireland when he wed Tamar Tea Tephi, Princess of Judah. Eochaid ensconced the Stone at Tara and dubbed it Lia FÃ¡il.
NOVEMBER 9, 5:36AM EST.
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" of Cu Chullain, the Hero of Ulster, who championed Lugaid Red-Stripe for king. But when the Lia FÃ¡il would not cry to confirm Lugaid, Cu Chullain was enraged, striking with Gae Bolga, the Spear of Light, and splitting the Stone of Destiny forever!
NOVEMBER 10, 5:37AM EST. Shari captures Thailogâs white knight with her black bishop.
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" of young Prince Fergus of Ireland, who carried half Cu Chullainâs handiwork to Argyll in what men now call Scotland to found a kingdom called Dalriada. Though a castle called Carbonek found him instead, bringing the Priest-King Pelles and the Archmage Merlin and their request to borrow the Stone of Destiny for a purpose of their own. A purpose fulfilled in Londontown by a sword clepâd Excalibur in a stone clepâd Lia FÃ¡il drawn forth by a boy clepâd Arthur.
NOVEMBER 11, 5:38AM EST. Thailog tips over one of Shariâs black rooks with his white bishop.
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" of Saint Columba, he who tamed the monster of Loch Ness, before returning to the island of Iona, where Merlin and Pelles had brought the Stone once it had served their purposes. And where Columba laid down his head upon Jacobâs Pillow and breathed his last.
NOVEMBER 12, 5:39AM EST. Shariâs Black Queen is lined up to capture Thailogâs White King.
Would you prefer I lost on purpose?
Iâd fire you if you did. Donât you have a story to tell?
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" of Kenneth MacAlpin, scion of Fergus, who united the Kingdoms of Scotland and was crowned High King upon the Stone at Scone. As would all the Heirs of Scota â" for the next four hundred years.
NOVEMBER 12, 10:00PM GMT. David Xanatos presses a button on a remote control. NOVEMBER 13, 6:01AM GMT+8. TIBET. Inside the old cave, Coldstone and Coldfire stand over Master Dawa and Sangpo. All react to a noise.
I believeâ¦ I believe I can find himâ¦
NOVEMBER 13, 5:40AM EST. NIGHTSTONE.
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" of Edward the First of England, the Hammer of the Scots, who sicced his mighty Warwolf on his neighbors to the north and took as prize the Stone of Scone, which he installed in the Coronation Chair at Westminster Abbey, where it has crowned the kings and queens of England down to this very dayâ¦
Shari & Thailog sit. Lexington, Macbeth, Hudson, Arthur, GRIFF, AMP & COCO STAND.
NOVEMBER 13, 5:32PM GMT. Hudson and Lex are atop Victoria Tower. Macbeth is below, in front of Westminster Abbey.
All clear. No sign of trouble.
Not expecting trouble tonight. Theyâre only moving the Stone from the Coronation Chair to the Lantern. It wonât leave the Abbey until tomorrow.
Aye, and the human security is tight as a drum. Iâm nae convinced you could break in there with a battering ram.
Youâd be surprised.
<yawn> Still nothing to report. Who exactly are we expecting?
Anyone. Everyone. Just stay alertâ¦
Macbeth spots a shadowy figure and pursues it down into a London Underground Stationâ¦
Iâm probably on a wild goose chase, lads. But in case Iâm not, youâd better head thisâ¦ wayâ¦
That could be a problemâ¦
Arthur Pendragon puts Excalibur to Macbethâs throat. Meanwhile, on Victoria Tower, Hudson and Lex are surrounded by gargoyles.
By the blade of Excalibur, what are you up to now, Macbeth?
King Arthur?! Iâm here to protect the Stone of Destiny!
Then our two quests are one and the same!
129. ARTHUR, MACBETH (UNISON)
Theyâll be at each otherâs throats!!
Hudson! Lexington! Bloody lovely to see you again!
You too, Griff!
Aye, lad. The baddunsâll have no chance at that Stone now!
NOVEMBER 14, 5:28AM. Macbeth radios Lex.
Itâll soon be dawn. You and Hudson go with Griff. Arthur and I will stand vigil through the day.
Arthur & Macbeth sit.
5:33AM GMT. Griff, Hudson, Lex and the other two gargoyles glide over London.
Are we headed to Soho? Goliath said you have a store thereâ¦
We do. But I thought Iâd take you home instead. To our clan--
To Knightâs Spur!
You know, Griff, I donât believe weâve been properly introduced to your Yank friendsâ¦
<Hmph> Watch who youâre callinâ a Yank, lassâ¦
Where are my manners? Hudson, Lexington, this is Constance.
My friends call me Coco.
And this is Staghart.
My friends call me Amp!
Nobody calls you Amp, luv.
Iâll call you Amp.
Welcome to Knightâs Spurâ¦
7:20AM. Atop Knightâs Spur, Old Pog, Hudson, Griff, Lex, Amp, Coco and Lunette sleep as stone.
Hudson, Lexington, Griff, Amp & Coco sit. Arthur & Macbeth STAND.
7:48AM. Macbeth and Arthur sip coffee outside a Nightstoneâs cafÃ©.
â¦Mortally wounded in 542. So they shipped me off to some magic hill and put me to sleep for a thousand four hundred fifty-three years.
Deal with a demon in 1040. Officially died in 1057. Been sleepwalking for nine hundred thirty-nine years.
<pause> Guess I got the better bargain.
Ach, I try not to dwell these days. So hereâs to the immortals. There arenât many like usâ¦
Arthur & Macbeth sit. Shari STANDS.
NOVEMBER 14, 5:42AM EST. NIGHTSTONE. Shari places her black knight in front of Thailogâs white knight.
The story is told â" though who can say if it be true â" of Robert the Bruce of Scotland, who defeated the English at Bannockburn with the help of an Irish ally, Cormac MacCarthy. With the victory, came a prize: a fragment of the Fatal Stone that England had taken from Scone. This fragment, the Bruce gave to MacCarthy, whose descendents had it installed at Blarney Castle, where it is said to grant the gift of gab. Iâve kissed it myself a time or twoâ¦
Shari sits. Hudson, Macbeth & Arthur STAND.
NOVEMBER 14, 6:32PM GMT. Knightâs Spur. Hudson, Macbeth and Arthur confer in a book-lined study.
Lex, Griff, Constance and Staghart sent you home to rest thenâ¦
Aye, Hudson. Weâll catch a few hours sleep then head back out. But youâ¦?
I had some questions for the Pendragon. Werenât you on a quest to find your wizard?
Indeed. And Sir Griff and I searched for Merlin in all the obvious places. But to no gain. So Iâve been âdoing researchâ on Merlinâ¦ and on myself.
Hudson examines a copy of Le Morte DâArthur by Thomas Malory.
So many booksâ¦ are any of them true?
All things are trueâ¦ few things are accurate.
Aye. No bloody kidding.
Hudson contemplates this.
Hudson, Macbeth & Arthur sit.
Tomorrow, Chapter VIII...
I just rewatched "Avalon", and while I didn't have any trouble understanding the time loop, there were several things about the Archmage's behaviour that I began to find slightly confusing, most of them because from the Archmage's perspective, only about one day seems to have passed since he was the "one-shot villain" from "Long Way to Morning". So I'd like to ask these questions:
1. Did the Archmage ever actually find out that the Magus managed to cure Prince Malcolm's poisoning? If so, did he get that information from Demona?
2. Why does the Archmage feel his revenge won't be complete without Goliath? As far as the Archmage seemingly knows, Hudson is the leader of the gargoyles, and Hudson was the one who decided to go after him and get the Grimorum, resulting in his "death". It just seems to me that someone as arrogant as the Archmage would consider Goliath in 984 an unimportant pawn. Did Goliath do something to the Archmage prior to their encounter in "Long Way to Morning" that would make him hate Goliath more than Hudson and Prince Malcolm?
3. Did the Archmage ever find out the details about how Goliath survived into the 20th century?
Of course, I guess NONE of the plotting in "Avalon" was really the Archmage's idea, since he was merely instructed by his future self and probably didn't want to alter the plan by adding Malcolm or Hudson onto his black list.
1. Probably not, but it doesn't matter. As you noted, he was, by this time, following the plan laid out by his empowered self. His vengeance on Malcolm was no longer relevant.
2. Rewatch "Long Way to Morning". Goliath was the IMMEDIATE cause of his "death".
3. Probably not, but it doesn't matter.
If I'm remembering correctly, Elisa and Goliath only figure out that Macbeth and Demona were being controlled by the Weird Sisters when they reach Avalon. So after the events of High Noon, what steps were taken to protect the clock tower, as it appeared that now both Macbeth AND Demona knew where they slept, and could come by any time they felt like it and destroy them when the sun was up? Of course with Macbeth and Demona whisked off to Avalon retaining no memory of what they did, the gargoyles were perfectly safe for the time being--but they didn't know that. Being vulnerable to Xanatos in the same way was the main reason Elisa pushed so hard for the Gargoyles to move house. I know not much time passed between the events of High Noon on Nov. 14th and the day Goliath, Bronx and Elisa went with Tom to Avalon, but the repercussions of those events seem too important for the gargoyles to ignore.
Was anything done to protect the police station's entrance to the clock tower where the gargoyles live? Was it discussed at any length? Just very curious to know how Elisa and Goliath adjusted to this (to them, at least) major breach of home safety.
It's a fair question, but I don't have a really cool answer. I just haven't thought about it. I think they know Macbeth well enough at this point to believe he wouldn't attack them while they slept. But they can't have been as sanguine about Demona, though I suppose I can semi-buy the notion that Goliath would feel that Demona might be willing to kill them in a hundred ways BUT NOT by smashing them while they slept. That doesn't mean it's true, just that Goliath could talk himself into believing it's true. And, as we know, he can be stubborn when he gets an idÃ©e fixe.
I hope you don't mind a 'Gargoyles' related question. : )
In "Awakening Part Five" Goliath tells Demona: "There is good and bad in all of us. Human and gargoyle alike. You should know that better than anyone."
Now, at this point, Goliath is unaware of Demona's history of the previous 1000 years and believed she was put under the sleep spell shortly after he had been. So, when he says that Demona should know better than anyone about having good and bad in them, what exactly is he talking about? Is he talking about the information regarding her involvement in the betrayal of Castle Wyvern or is he talking about stuff that happened before then (perhaps what we would've seen in 'Dark Ages')?
The reason I ask is because I am curious if Goliath had already become aware of Demona's dark nature before the Wyvern Massacre.
He's pretty much totally talking about the betrayal here, but the revelation of it may have subconsciously revealed things to him that he hadn't up to that point focused on yet.
Greetings from Spain, Greg :)
I've been gliding through the archives in the hopes of finding something, anything, that can help me remember what my absolutely vital question was las time Ask Greg was open (Ask Greg closed before I could submit it). I'm sure it was something super boring about insights and Gargoyle psychology (especially Goliath's, I find him complex and amazing) but well. I'll have to stick to the rant that went with it and spare you the question :D.
You've heard all kinds of praises and ear-candies about you and the show by now, so I really don't want to be boring and repetitive.But the fact is that more than twelve years after the show was first aired here, I'm still as hooked as I ever was. If not more. I was in college then (imagine, I'll love watching cartoons till the last day :D) and I couldn't believe how good that episode of this Gargoyles thing I randomly caught one day was. I ended up rushing out of classes for the rest of the term, not to miss a single episode more.
You've explained before how you really feel that the story it's out there somewhere, and you tapped into it, somehow. I understand what you mean. It feels that way. Exactly that way.
The characters are so dimensional that they make the story so intense and...well, real. To the point that I'm not only positive about it being the best tv show I've ever seen, but also feels like one of the best readings. Your story is better than 80% of the books I've read in the last, say, 12 years. One almost yearns for something like Gargoyles happening to the world, with the same intensity which half the female population around the world dreams of finding Mr. Darcy... And that is something I truly thank you for.
Goliath and Elisa deserve a special mention. I don't think I've fallen so in love with a fictional couple since..well..Mr. Darcy here and Elizabeth (mm..actually I think I might have subconsciously matched the two brooding heros with the two strong-willed women, even though their stories are so different..). No wonder Elisa couldn't get herself off Goliath's hook and viceversa. And by the way, going through the archives, I read something about clan wind ceremonies on Elisa's dying. I'm amazed, I couldn't even picture it. It's so sad, one or the other dying, that even if intellectually it's something obvious, I really don't want to know that far. Pretty childish of me I guess but, well. I want some things eternal :D
For a Gargoyles unconditional, I guess I was born in the wrong country, lol. But one day, who knows! I just hope Gatherings are still happening.
Thank you so much, Greg, for a lot of reasons. Not only for the show and the comics and being here to feed the beasts from time to time, but for your dedication. For not giving up. For believing in what you do, and therefore allowing some of us to go along for the ride, and end up believing in what WE do (doomed-storyteller here :))
Wish you all the best, Greg, and I really hope you can find soon a way to let the story go on. The clan would want you to ;)
PS: Just so you know, I showed Awakenings to Tania, a dear friend, and she watched the entire show, plus TGC (which she didn't really enjoy as much, by the way) in less than ten days.
PPS: I hope my english was understandable enough, by the way!
Hey, I'll take all the Jane Austen comparisons (particularly favorable ones) that you want to dish. I'm a big fan. And I'm sure she was (at least) an indirect influence on my work.
And your English is just great. Thanks for all the kind words.
Dont think Im perverted for asking this but after seeing Goliath and elisa's relationship on the show I just got really curious,is it possible for gargoyles to mate with humans not reproduce just simply mate.
Just curious, who taught Goliath to read? He proved to be an avid book lover from the start of series and there were some pretty good classics in there. :)
And, since I haven't asked a "Gargoyles" question in a while, I figure... why not.
You've said in the past that Demona still carries a torch for Goliath. Now, some have disagreed considering how often she's tried to kill him. But, I see it. I think it is most apparent in "Hunter's Moon Part Two"
When they were trapped in the Hunters' airship and Goliath was talking about vengeance, and shortly after seemed to kill one of the Hunters along with her. Demona seemed... excited... aroused even.
Granted, she still didn't tell him about her master plan, but... she seemed to me to think that maybe she would finally get through to him.
So, was she hoping to finally get her man back once it was all over? Obviously, we all know that even if Demona had succeeded, he'd never have gone back to Demona, but the way she's animated there and the way Marina Sirtis performed her dialogue definitely suggests to me that her attraction to Goliath is alive and... not sure if I'm going to say well, but it's definitely there.
I definitely think it's there, but I'm not at all sure she recognizes or is capable of acknowledging her true feelings.
A comment, inspired by my last question about the Standards & Practices deaths.
Many of the "deaths by falling" that you had in the series, such as Findleach's and Gillecomgain's, were there simply because of S&P, and I don't think that it would have made a sizable difference to the story and characterization if, say, Gillecomgain had run Findlaech with a sword instead.
But it made good dramatic sense, I think, to have the Captain and Hakon die that way. One of the crucial points of "Awakening"'s opening was Goliath being driven to despair by one blow after another, to the point where he finally commits suicide (in a sense). The Captain and Hakon falling off the cliff rather than being ripped to shreds by Goliath worked there; now, not only has Goliath's clan been massacred, but he can't even exact vengeance upon the two people most responsible for his loss. It brings him one step closer to devastation.
So I think that even without Standards & Practices, it was a good idea to have the Captain and Hakon die that way.
Hudson has or had a biological child in Goliath's generation, the Trio's generation, and Bronx's generation. That means that Goliath and the Trio would have considered him one of their rookery fathers and Hudson regards them as his rookery children. (I'm guessing he regards Bronx somewhat differently, though correct me if I'm wrong.) So why do we never hear Goliath or any of the Trio calling Hudson "father" or him referring to any of them as "son"?
Their relationships are MORE specific than that. When you have a LOT of fathers (back in the day), many different varieties of relationships develop in addition to the paternal-filial. That doesn't mean they don't consider Hudson a rookery father, but it's not how they define him.
In 'The Mirror', I appreciate the real-world reason why the human-form Manhattan Clan gargoyles look the way they do, namely that they more or less represent their respective voice actors. But I also like the cohesiveness it gives the Gargverse when you give a canon/in-show reason for something. In that spirit, when Goliath turns into a human analogue, why does he have darker skin--or appear to be of a different racial group--than the others who appear to be more Scottish?
I've hold off asking this question since I figured I'd fine out in the comic, but now I will. What will Matt think of Elisa's romantic relationship with Goliath?
Will he be okay with it? Will he disgusted by it? Will he think it weird but none of his business?
You'll just have to wait and (hopefully someday) see.
What would Demona do if she knew how Elisa Maza stopped Macbeth from killing her, and how she told Angela that she was her mother when Goliath refused to do so?
Let's find out...
I know that gargoyle children belong to the entire clan, but who is Goliath's real parents?
Me, Tad Stones, Greg Guler and Keith David.
I just did a few quick calculations. Now, correct me if Im wrong, I believe you have said that Brooklyn and his rookery hatched 958 and Goliath and his rookery hatched twenty years earlier, in 938. Then, in the 1997, Brooklyn begins his TimeDancing adventures (Im so excited to read the se upcoming comics!) and he travels and ages for fourty years to then return to 1997 five minutes from when he left. This would now make Brooklyn fourty years, two gargoyle generations, older than his leader Goliath.
Along with these calculations, I believe you have said that leaders generally pick their seconds from younger rookeries. This would make sense because they would want to be able to let their seconds rule if the leaders ever reach an old age when they cant lead (such as Hudson choosing the much younger Goliath). However, upon his return, second-in-command Brooklyn is now older than the leader of the Manhattan Clan, Goliath.
Because of this new age difference after the TimeDancing adventures, will Goliath pick a new second? Angela, Lex, and Broadway are all younger and Angela even has experience of being a second-in-command on Avalon. I dont want Brooklyn to lose his position as second but it does seem a likly step for Goliath to take. What do you think?
1. Turned out to be closer to forty seconds as opposed to five minutes.
2. Brooklyn was about forty (twenty biologically) when he hit the timestream. He travels for forty years, aging twenty years.
3. Since Goliath is about sixty (thirty biologically) and Brooklyn - post timedancing - is about 80 (forty biologically),Brooklyn is now ONE generation "older" than Goliath.
4. As for your question, it's a definite issue -- but not in CLAN-BUILDING.
At the end of the "The Edge", Xanatos calls Goliath "the greatest warrior alive", do you agree with that statement? If not who do you think is the greatest warrior alive in Gargoyles?
I'm not interested in that kind of question, I'm afraid. It's not the same as saying "Who is the fastest runner?" or "Who weighs the most?" (Questions which also don't interest me all that much.) I.e. something that's objectively quantifiable. Any battle is at least partially situational. I don't think this kind of thing can be defined in absolute terms.
This is more of a Wyvern Clan culture question than a hypothetical one.
After Goliath sends the Trio and Bronx to the rookery and Demona questions his decision to punish them (out of their earshot like a good second, as you noted in the commentary), Goliath tells her that he will make it up to them somehow. If the Wyvern Massacre hadn't intervened, what are some things Goliath might have done to make it up to the Trio and Bronx?
I'm not sure he even knew. Probably a heart-to-heart and a little winging.
Hello Greg, long time fan of gargoyles, and most of my questions about the Gargoyles universe have been answered by browsing the archives but these questions.
I see from the archives that Angela and Broadway will raise their children in the traditional gargoyles fashion, and I am assuming that Brooklyn and Katana will try to do the same. But this has led me to some interesting questions about the relationships between generations of gargoyles in the same clan.
I have seen that from the first episode that gargoyles from the same rookery generation call one another rookery brother or rookery sister, or if there are close bonds just brother and sister. So my first question is do gargoyles have the same endearing names for an older or younger generation with in the clan, for example rookery mother, rookery father, rookery son, rookery daughter, or some other term like those? Yes I do know that Goliath's generation calls Hudson My Mentor, I am assuming that is so only because he was the leader and teacher of the clan before Goliath.
Another is I have noticed that Hudson has a stronger relationship with Goliath then any other of Goliath's rookery siblings, or at least just the ones we have met so far. I am assuming this is do to, that Hudson saw Goliath's potential as a successor and paid special attention to him to prepare him for the role. I have also noticed that gargoyles in one generation develop strong ties with a few siblings like Coldstone's and Goliath's relationship. My next question is do stronger relationships develop between certain hatchlings and certain members of the parenting generation or members of another older generation of gargoyles?
But in Mark of the Panther Goliath, who is having trouble dealing and even understanding Angela's unusual need for parents and her attachment to him after she finds that she is his biological daughter, says to Elisa's mother Diane "gargoyle hatchlings belong to the whole clan, I cannot hold one hatchling over the others." So are these kinds of relationships, I have asked about in the previous paragraph, taboo, shunned, frowned upon, or generally accepted as a part of the growing up process of young gargoyles, or are they just Goliath's personal words do to the fact that he is the clan leader?
Thanks for even putting up a general questions website, not many writers do that or post the site on there publications. I apologize for my long winded questions but it just the way I write. Just to let you know Gargoyles has been a huge influence in my own stories and don't worry I have absolutely no fan fictions of Gargoyles and I have never understood why people have to do them, they don't make sense to me any ways.
I can't wait for Brooklyn's little trip, especially the clan's reactions when he gets back five minutes later, they will be priceless. I might have to scan the images in and use them as a desktop. I just can't see Time Dancer done in six issues like I heard the spin offs will be done in, too much happening from what I have found on Ask Greg. Well I guess that is why it is third in line and thanks again.
Some gargoyles will develop stronger relationships with some. With that many parents, siblings, children, etc. running around, it's natural. But neither "shunned, frowned upon, or generally accepted" fits the bill to my mind. Amd citing Hudson/Goliath hardly proves anything. Hudson's pre-massacre relationship with anyone else in Goliath's generation has not been explored. Nor has Goliath's relationship with anyone else from Hudson's generation even been touched on.
In Panther, Goliath is NOT having trouble with Angela's "unusal need for parents". He's concerned about what her specific need to acknowledge their BIOLOGICAL relationship might mean... both in terms of his relationship to the rest of the Avalon Clan and especially HER relationship to her biological mother.
Not all of Brooklyn's TimeDancer adventures are designed to fit into one six episode mini. Just one six-part story. I could tell TimeDancer adventures for forty years. And I hope I get that chance.
Seeing "Reckoning" when Demona was explaining to Angela how she survived over a thousand years made me think, how much does anyone really know about her immortality; for example during "City of Stone" she lied to Xanatos about it, so…
1. How much of Demona's true story (about MacBeth, her immortality, the Weird Sisters, her clan after Wyvern, the Hunter(s), etc.) does Angela really know?
2. How much does Thailog know about Demona's true story?
3. How much does Xanatos know about Demona's true story?
4. How much does Puck/Owen know about Demona's true story?
5. How much do Goliath and the rest of the Manhattan clan know about Demona's true story?
1. Very little.
2. Very little.
3. Very little.
4. Quite a bit.
5. Very little.
Pardon me if this has been asked before, I've had no luck finding an equivalent answered question in the archives
How precedented is something like Goliath and Elisa's relationship in the history of Scottish gargoyles? The casual acceptance of it by the rest of the Manhattan Clan obviously suggests some comfort with the concept, but what was it like in the 900s?
For that matter, how do the various other Clan cultures feel about this kind of thing?
It is HIGHLY unusual, beyond rare. Credit the acceptance of it by the Manhattan Clan to a certain pragmatism that goes with (initially) perceiving their situation as unique, the last gargoyles -- all male -- except Demona, who disqualified herself by, you know, trying to kill them all multiple times. Throw in Elisa, who she was and what she became to the entire clan, and how often she proved herself, etc. And acceptance just came...
Do goliath and Elisa get married
We'll have to wait and see...
First of all thank you for creating this show. Second of all, you're the creator of this show! You came up with a cartoon about living stone and more than ten years later people are being loyal to this to the tomb. How is it that something others would see as an impossible achievement can become a testament to your immense creativity and yet you can't find a way to get Elisa to conceive Goliath's child? Forget about the impossibilities and the ethics about such a thing. How many people told you it was impossible for "Gargoyles" to ever become something? Ethics and biology? Please. We're talking about a 2-dimensional world where rocks come to life at night after 1000 years. Biology, really, that's what's stopping you?
You are a genius. Greg.
Uh... well, when you put it that way... then I guess it's creative integrity that's stopping me. Such as it is.
Before Thailog showed up at the Eyrie on Halloween, 1996, what was Goliath's reaction, if any, to Lexington's costume?
Did Goliath see it? Did he focus on it AT ALL... or perhaps was his attention focused elsewhere?
This day in Gargoyles' Universe History....
Odin becomes aware that Goliath has the Eye of Odin.
This day in Gargoyles' Universe History....
On Avalon, Goliath, Angela and Bronx awaken. Quite aware they won't be getting home any time soon, the travelers elect to spend "a few days" resting and getting to know the Avalon Clan. And in Nigeria, Tea is marked by a were-panther on the day she departs for the city of Abuja.
This day in Gargoyles' Universe History....
Halcyon Renard returns to Manhattan and contacts Matt Bluestone, informing him of Goliath and Elisa Maza's situation. Matt passes the word on to Hudson and the Trio, who inform Talon. Matt also attempts to cover for Elisa with her parents and Captain Maria Chavez.