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Do you know of any plans to realese Gargoyles episodes or seasons in box sets of DVDs? Y'know...limited editions...once there gone that's it and that's all. If not can you push Disneyfor that? Especially as a series creator...
I've had some preliminary talks with Disney about releasing a DVD. Last summer they said the first DVD would come out sometime in 2003. Other DVDs would only follow if the first one sold well. I had a brainstorming meeting with them in November (?). It was very exciting. They were talking about releasing the whole first season with a commentary track and an extra or two.
Since then, they've been on the quiet side. To be honest, I don't know what to make of that. Hopefully, we're still on track.
Before I get to the questions, I'd just like to say how much I enjoyed the show and how amazed I am to find that I'm not alone in wishing to see a return to that universe. Having said this...on with the questions!
First, is it possible to obtain recordings of some of the episodes, particularly "The Mirror"? On the subject of "The Mirror" I must say that I was somewhat disapointed that subplot (the sparks of romance) between Goliath and Elisa never reached the level of developement I was expecting (or did it?). I honestly thought Elisa made a very good gargoyle, and I always wondered if that might also have been addressed in some way. Thank you once again for everything!
1. The first season was released on video, though you'd probably have to haunt e-bay to find copies of those tapes. Otherwise, the only thing I can recommend at this point is to record the eps off Toon Disney.
2. Well, I think the subplot was advanced in episodes like "Sentinel" and "Hunter's Moon", among others. As for Elisa being a gargoyle, that was always temporary in my mind.
A friend and I were talking about how wonderful it would be if there were Gargoyles novels (sort of like the Star Trek ones) A whole series. I know you've said before that you would be interested in doing something like that but you need a publisher. I was wondering, since Disney owns the characters and they have lots of books made for different shows and movies, would it be possible to get a publisher through Disney? They must have some contacts. I remember they had some small novels about the pilot episode of gargoyles. They could always try one novel and see how it does. It seems like you have a great deal of ideas ready and it's such a shame that nothing is happening with them right now. ie. new episodes, novels etc.
It is a shame, isn't it?
To my knowledge, Disney has shown no interest in publishing any garg-related novels, either through their own company, Hyperion, or through another publishing concern. I no longer have any contacts there, however.
But for the record, I'd love to write one or more garg novels. I even have multiple plots in mind. I'm dying to do it.
I was just wondering what you thought of the Gathering 2001 Music CD.
Have you ever played Gargoyles on Sega Genesis?
No. I don't have Sega Genesis. And I rarely play video games. Poor hand-eye coordination, don't you know.
Hi, are you really planning to release Gargoyles on DVD? If you are planning to release Gargoyles on DVD, are you planning to sell all the episodes of Gargoyles on DVD in a 6 disc pack? (Or however many discs it takes to put 78 episodes on) It would be neat to have a collotor's edition of Gargoyles in one case with all the discs with the episodes in order. I would be great for any Gargoyle fan. I hope that comes true. That would be great! Thanks for reading!
It's not up to me. I'm hoping that eventually Disney decides to do some kind of DVD release. But that's there call, not mine.
During The Gathering 1999 Radio play, the Players were not able to keep they're scripts, but at this years Gathering a copy of that script was auctioned off (Which I was out bidded for). Is there a way to get a copy. (Preferable autographed)
Sounds like someone's bucking for a wedding present.
When is (or was) the big day?
1.Why didn't Kenner make any action figures of the characters that we saw in the World Tour? They might have made some money with Griff, Arthur, Nokkar, Cuchullain, Golem or Fara Maku figures so why didn't they?
2.Whose idea was it to have the World Tour?
1. They only wanted to make toys based on characters who appeared in a large percentage of episodes. And sometimes, not even then.
2. Mine, largely.
Are you going to be able to make any kind of art gallery in the near future? I love your work and would be interested to be able to purchase picutres from the gargoyle and Max Steel series. My 3 year old son loves the show too, btw.
That's great. But I'm not an artist. Can't draw worth a darn. (I said darn because your son is only three.)
This question really isn't about the series, but:
Do you know where I might be able to find the complete gargoyles series on video or DVD or anything?
I've been looking everywhere for some kind of an idea where I could find it, but with no luck. Thanks for any help you could give me.
Not really, no. Sorry.
Have you tried e-bay? Or asking in the s8 comment room?
Where can *I* buy a copy of Cree Summer's CD?
Everyone eat Round Table pizza!
Oh! And sign up for G2002!
And write to Disney asking for Gargoyles DVD's! (Greg, you can tell Mr. Fukuto that I'll by Gargs on DVD, and I don't have a DVD player.)
I love Cree's CD. Have you tried a record store?
Dear Me. Weisman,
You recently mentioned that the most pragmatic thing to do currently would be to petition Disney for a DVD release. Who and/or what departments at Disney would you suggest writing to? Thank you!
I'm not 100% sure, actually.
Buena Vista Home Video, perhaps.
Walt Disney Television Animation.
Good evening Mr. Wiesman.
I've seen how the vidio version of Awakening cuts a lot of scenes that were on T.V., but I've also noticed that there were a few things added. Such as, a few very short scenes, like Goliath saying "godspeed" to the trio when they went for the disk (although, they cut more of the latter convorsation, and I don't know if Goliath WOULD say godspeed), I think there were some more small extras to. Some of the sound effects were enhanced as well (for better and for worse). SO, to get to my question. Do you know if the videos for the first season were made differn't from the TV version? Anything differnt, form deleted scenes, to extra scenes, ro better sound, to anything new at all, that would make it worthwhile to purchase or rent? And I'm sorry for wasting you time if you don't have a clue.
I can't tell you whether it's "worthwhile". They are simply different. Two different teams did the editing and the sound effects with two VERY different purposes in mind.
The series version, is in my mind, the true version. Though I was on the team that did the post-production on what became the Video version (though it was not originally created for video, but for a 35mm big screen preview at Walt DisneyWorld).
There is also yet a third version done by a third team (and I don't even KNOW who these people were) that was done for the syndicated movie version.
All might be interesting to view in comparison to each other. I certainly have copies of both of the first two versions. But I can't judge for you whether it's interesting enough to be worth your money.
I am a very big fan of the show and I have almost all the episodes on tape, however the disney channel here in England have never shown the end of season 2 or any of season 3. I would greatly appreciate it if you could help me to get the remaining episodes I need I'll pay whatever price or go anywhere in the world for them. I have been searching for these episodes for years, any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Naresh Sookhoo (Gargoyles fan)
Hey, Naresh. Obviously, you didn't check out the Archives. I don't have any way of providing you with what you are missing.
But ask in the Station 8 Gargoyles Comment Room. Someone there may be able to help you.
My 4 year old son abosolutely loves Gargoyles. We can no longer get him to go to bed early. He has to stay up and watch Gargoyles at 10pm. He even acts out the opening as Goliath breaks out of his stone and growls. A pretty awesome sight when you get to see it. Anyhow, my question is: were there ever any action figures made and if so, would you know how my husband and I coulf get ahold of them? Thank you Susanne Chirco
Thanks for writing Susanne,
Yes, Kenner did make action figures. Finding them these days might be tough. Have you tried e-bay? Or one of the comment rooms?
1. In "Journey" you introduced John Castaway. Would he be involved in any way, in any of your spinoffs? The reason I ask is, I know he won't be alive in 2198. (Maybe his great grandson or some relative) But other than 2198 are you planning anything more with him?
2. Since I know you only worked on one episode of TGC, would you personally (should your spinoffs come back to TV) ignore what has taken place in the remaining episodes of the TGC seeing how you were not involved in their creation? Or were some of the TGC episodes ideas yours which you were planning before your contract ran out? I don't think some episodes can be completely ignored. However I hated that in TGC, they killed off the clones. What is your take on this?
3. By the way, since the Gathering 2001 is over, may I ask if there was any petitioning done to jumpstart Gargoyles and make it TV-borne again? If so, how'd it go?
2. I've answered this before too. My current thinking, which is not etched in stone, is to ignore what I don't consider canon. Enough time has passed and any new episodes would need to stand on their own two feet anyway. If anyone's confused about contradictions between TGC and the new stuff, they can check out the internet site that we will have to clarify all this stuff.
3. I didn't see any petitions. Feel like starting one? I'd focus on DVD's for now.
Incidentally, your post here should theoretically have been broken up into three posts, since your questions were on three separate topics. I haven't reminded people of that in a while. I ignored the rule breaking this time, but don't make a habit of it.
I would like to know if Gargoyles has been released on DVD; I loved the show when it first aired and I would love to be able to own the entire series. I'm a begin fan of Shakespeare and I enjoyed how you intergrated many of his characters into to the Gargoyles plot lines. I also enjoyed all the other cultural storys you used in your stories (ie. bushido, lockness, griffins). I hope one day you will be able to create new episodes. Good luck.
Thanks. At the moment the series is NOT available on DVD. But Jay Fukuto, Disney TV Animation's VP of Creative Affairs is checking into the possibility for us. (I'm glad someone asked him at the Gathering. Sounds a bit self-serving, coming from me.)
I need 2 gargoyles for my daughters production number at dance. Either to buy or rent. I need them by Monday the latest, 3-4 feet high each. Could you help me???
I'm not even reading this until July 2nd.
And we don't sell or rent gargoyles at this site. Goliath might take offense.
(I'm guessing this person will never read this response.)
Why was Gargoyles canceled off the air?
Will it ever be on ever again?
Can I do something about this situation?
Start by taking a look at the archives for a good answer.
At this point, I might suggest that the most pragmatic thing people could do is to petition Disney for a DVD release. Politely.
When will the episodes after "TURF" be shown on Toon Disney in England? I'm a die hard fan but I need more. I need to see the journey and so on because I love the Goliath/Elisa thing. Hit me back Hun. Thanks for a great show!
I don't have any idea, I'm afraid, when they schedule anything. I don't even get Toon Disney in my neighborhood.
Will the gargoyles series ever be available on DVD?
I hope so.
Just curious, but have you ever read the the stories in the Gargoyles Saga?
No. I don't read fanfiction as a policy to protect myself from law suits should I ever get the series back on the air.
I have been trying to find a cell of Goliath in the episode "Ill Met by Moonlight". It is when Goliath and Overon are in a baron place and Overon is throughing rocks at Goliath. Goliath askes Overon if Lady Titania wants the land to beat them or him. He responds with come on then. Goliath lets out a roar and smashes the rocks at his feet. As the dust clears Goliath is in a muscle pose with wings spread and eyes glowing white. This is the specific cell I am searching for. Please assist me with any info you have to help seek out this picture/cell. Thanks TBONE
Sorry, TBONE, but you obviously haven't even looked at the archives. If you had, you'd know I don't have a CLUE where you could find this or any other cell. I don't work in consumer products or retail. Good luck, though.
A refernce to the last question: in your Encyclopedia, would at least have a mention of TGC? It was there; was it, no is it worth a mention?
The Encyclopedia, as it is now written, is largely written within the Universe. It doesn't deal in detail with the behind the scenes stuff. There's no entry on Greg Weisman or Frank Paur, for example. Content covers "The Journey". But not the other twelve TGC episodes. There is a mention of TGC however.
I recently bought a copy of the book Total Hockey, verily a ponderous tome (A big book) if I ever saw one. It has stats on every team, stats for every play to ever play at least one game, records, trophy winners, coaches, Etc; and it is 2000+ pages to boot. (I guess this is why it is the "Official Encyclopedia of the NHL.) It also talks about fans of teams, defunct teams, Stanley Cup Winners, and lots more.
1) Would your Gargoyles Encyclopedia be like this? would it have a blurb on every character little and small to ever appear in the show? IE) The three or so Gargoyles left when Demona is named, or Harvey the Ninja?
2) Would it have stats like height, weight, weight in stone, Eye Color, favourite food?
3) Would the book have stats or trivia on gargoyle mating rituals, or hints about future shows?
4) could it have info on the fan support after the fact, like the gathering?
5) OR would this book only have current cannon on Items, Places and Characters in the 66 Ep's?
1. Harvey's definitely in there, but not every incidental character who ever appeared on screen. But every character named, yes.
4. The current draft does not. But it could.
5. Mostly the 66. Whether I went further would depend on what else was going on.
I see complete sets taped off TV by people selling on ebay regularly. It's pricey though.
I am extremely interested in finding out how I can purchase the entire series on videotape; from the very first episode aired to the very last.....do you know who I can contact to find this information out? Do I have to post my request to Disney themselves or is there someone else who may be able to answer my questions and fill my request? Is my request even possible? Thank you for any assistance you might be able to give me. If I was sure this request would be viewed by only you, I would include my e-mail address and ask you to e-mail your reply directly to me, but since it won't be, I will look for your reply in the questions answered archives. I am looking forward to seeing what you have to say.....and any future Gargoyles, or Gargoyles-related projects....again, thank you.
Rebecca, if you had taken a look at that archive before posting you'd have seen that I don't know anything about how you can get the tapes, nor do I respond personally to questions posted here. This space is not a merchandise clearinghouse. Sorry.
I do know that many fans have recorded the series.
And I know that the first season was once upon a time available on video. If that info is useful, great.
Hi, Greg, I first wanna say that I think you did a wonderful job with Gargoyles. The plots were wonderful for the whole family--not just kids. It's an educational experience for sure! So thank you for bringing it to life and sharing it with all of us. And my question is this--I looked in the archives, but couldn't find where someone has asked this, so I really hope I looked hard enough, but I was wondering where I could view an the original drafts of Goliath--for example, you said that Mr. Guurr(sp?) had made the basis for Goliath's form. Is there any way to see it? I'm very curious how Goliath originally was drawn, and how he evolved into the person we see now. Thanks so much, Mr. Weismann, and I hope I haven't annoyed you. Thanks! Tazz.
Not annoyed, but I don't have any of that old development art. Disney has it. Sorry. Maybe if you come to the Gathering in L.A., will try to give it all a holiday from the archives for a bit.
So the meeting between us and Kenner happened, most likely on June 30th, 1993. They brought this document to the table. It's very enlightening, I think, as to how a major toy company thinks. You'll notice that their "main concerns" didn't cause us to alter the show at all. Save for adding in a motorcycle and helicopter here and there. There were some things that they were concerned about that we were just able to reassure them about. That the Trio would not just be silly. That Xanatos would eventually get down and dirty with his own armor, etc.
My handwritten notes at the bottom were things we discussed at the meeting, also to help aleviate their concerns. "Franken-goyle" eventually became Coldstone. "X's Metal/Steel/Titanium Gargoyles" became the Steel Clan Robots. We were trying to show Kenner that we'd have some "male villain gargoyles" in addition to Demona.
MAIN STORY ELEMENTS
* Ageless goodness and loyalty vs. modern opportunism.
* Powerful myths.vs. powerful high tech "realities".
* Goliath vs. Demona.
* Goliath vs. Xavier.
* Goliath and his five ancient gargoyles.
* Elisa and her gargoyle team; especially Goliath.
* Xavier and Demona.
* Xavier and his subordinates.
* Huge, powerful, and ugly.
* Immortal by night; inert and powerless by day.
* Ancient, decent, loyal, and wise.
* Possesses leadership qualities.
* Visual power, strength of living gargoyles.
* Day vs. night power phases of protagonists.
* Humorous possibilities of gargoyle assimilation into contemporary New York.
* Traditional good vs. evil conflict.
* Severe visual contradiction of scary/ugliness as good (Goliath); deceptively normal is bad (Xavier, his gladiators, etc.)
* Limited number of heroic characters.
* Key human ally is female (Elisa).
* Key/only evil gargoyle is female (Demona).
* Industrialist as the evil adversary is very familiar and very difficult to translate into an exciting toy. A visually more powerful and more unique enemy would be preferable or increase his powers through armorment [sic].
* Lack of significant special hardware and vehicles for both good and evil.
* Described back story (especially enduring- love/hate relationship between Goliath and Demona) may be too complex for 5-year old boys.
* Four of the six gargoyles (Trio and Dog) appear less aggressive and silly than heroic.
* Breaking the Gargoyles kills them.
[My handwritten notes on the document follow:]
* Franken-goyle & Demona
* Pack / Xavier / Scarab Corp / Vehicles etc.
* X's Metal / Steel / Titanium Gargoyles
I saw a book on Disney once at the bookstore which included a little bit on "Gargoyles" and described it as being television's first animated drama. In your opinion, how accurate is that description? That it was Disney's first television animated drama, I certainly don't dispute, but I know that there are many people who would dispute the "first animated drama" designation for "Gargoyles" on the grounds of "Batman: TAS", for example. I was wondering what your own assessment of the statement might be.
I think there are many innacuracies in that little blurb. That's just one.
Where can I get a complete videotape collection from the Gargoyles episodes? Does it exist?
Best animated series ever!!!!
Thanks. And I don't know.
After seeing He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named's request for a short summary of "Deadly Force," I thought I'd pitch something to both of you, Greg and Gore, in light of all these types of requests: Post a link to the Gargoyles Fan Website somewhere in Ask Greg. It has, of course, every episode of the series, bulleted, synopsised, and reviewed.
What is the link?
Where can I find pictures of the middle age Gargoyles?
I don't know. Where?
just wondering about the Gargoyle videos for sale on the net
on the Amazon site ...
1)did you have anything to do with them?
2)do you know anything about them ..if so do all the videos
cover all the episodes(but squashed down of course)
also do you know if they are any good?
thanks - Jess
1. I'm not sure what's for sale, so I can't answer whether I had anything to do with them specifically. But if it's the videos that Disney released from the show's first season then, yes, I was a co-producer and supervising story editor of those episodes.
2. As far as I know, the only videos that Disney has released are a cut down version of the five part pilot. And four more videos that contain the eight remaining episodes of the first season. If that's what we're talking about, I think those shows are VERY good. (But of course, I'm biased.)
Great art! How about a stained glass pattern book of various gargoyles? No pattern book is available and people are looking for one! You probably already have the connections and definately have the reputation! If you have a pattern already, I'd love to put it into glass and let you use the photos/graphics. Let me know, please. Thanks, Kelly email@example.com
No personal e-mail responses. Sorry.
And I'm not sure what you mean by patterns? Model sheets?
And I think you overestimate my "connections and.. reputation".
Is there a way to obtain detailed pictures of castle wyvern. I have plans on building an actual castle and I would like to use the castle as a guide line for the designers. I would greatly appreatiate it. Its such a beautyful castle to have. If you want to e-mail me directly you can reach me at firstname.lastname@example.org
No direct e-mail responses. Sorry.
And I don't have that info anyway.
My advise: watch the show, do your best and fill in the rest using your imagination.
IS IT MY IMAGINATION or have I suddenly gotten a TON of requests for personal e-mail responses? Like a new common thread.
What is the Gargoyle's bible?
Where could I find it?
The "Gargoyles Bible" is a document I wrote before the production of scripts for the first season (and then revised before the production of scripts on the second season) as a guide for our writers (and whoever else was working on the series). Something to help them understand character, backstory, context, etc.
I know someone's got it posted on the web. And eventually, I'll get around to posting it here too.
Hi Greg. I never got to see any of the episodes of "Gargoyles: the Goliath Cronicles" because they wouldn't air it in my area. Do you know of any place where i could get the collection?
One quick question: will there ever be a Gargoyles video game? Or is there one already?
There was one. (Or two, depending on your definition.)
I just returned from a vacation in Disney Land. (Boy, was it crowded!) So I figured that I could find some Gargoyle merchandise there; those stores have everything Disney. I walked into one, then another...and another...and another...with no luck. Not a single piece of Gargoyles merchandise anywhere in the park!!!
In one store, I asked an employee, "Do you have any Gargoyles stuff?"
He replied, "I...don't know what you mean...I don't know what a Gargoyles is."
It's nice to know that Disney employees know so much about there company's works. (And they use good grammar, too!) I have searched everywhere for Garg stuff, without luck. Where can I find it? Why isn't there any to be found; especially in Disney Land?
I don't know. It's a source of much frustration to me, believe me.
dEAR gERG, 12/27/2000
Is their anyway I can by the series on tape? Look I can't help it I'm a nut for them?
The first season was released on video, but those tapes may be hard to find now.
You might ask around in the comment room.
You made mention im a previous answer to a Goliath walkaround character that could be found at DisneyWorld.
I have several questions regarding this:
1. Can the Goliath walkaround character still be found at
2. Are there any other walkaround gargoyles Characters to be
found at either DisneyWorld or DisneyLand?
3. If so, who are they?
Thanks for your time :)
1. Don't know.
2. Not that I'm aware of.
3. See above.
That's cool, "matt". You explained yourself to the key...
Greg, I think we all should give "matt" a standing ovation for his loyalty to the Gargoyles series. What do you think everybody, huh? :)
Announcement: If anyone is looking for the entire 78 episodes, there are those on eBay selling them. They come on 5 VHS tapes. I was loyal enough to the series to get all 78 for less than $50. Good quality too.
Uh, Jim, what's with the matt obsession?
Thanks for the info.
Just want to officially state that I have nothing to do with the sale of these tapes. (Greg protects his butt.)
Hey man, do you have any pictures of the clan in south america. the snake guy and his buddies? If so let me know. Thanks.
I don't, no. Have you tried one of the many sites dedicated to the show?
where do i find a gargoyle necklace??? i'm not to familar with "surfing" the web and i have had no luck. please, please reply to my e-mail address at irishluch7@aol cause i won't know how to get back to this site. thanks!
Sorry, but I don't reply to individual e-mail addresses. No time.
And at any rate, I don't have a clue how to find you a gargoyles necklass. This is not a clearinghouse for garg merchandise.
Would I get sued if I tried to make a Gargoyles computer game for PC and Mac? Or would that be only if I tried to sell it for profit? The game will have decent graphics, sprite animation, sounds, a story, (and possibly some video clips from the show), you know that sort of thing...
But I will be sure to provide credit to the "real" creators of Gargoyles.
Why hasn't anyone done this before, besides Sega Genesis?
I'm no lawyer, but obviously if you tried to sell it for profit, you'd definitely get a letter from the Mouse. And even if you didn't, but they noticed you and felt you were infringing on a profit center or potential profit center, you might hear from them.
But as I said, I'm no lawyer. I wouldn't presume to advise you.
As for your last question, I don't know.
Where can i find good gargoyle art
The GATHERING 2001 in Los Angeles. Check out:
can you send me a good picture of the eye of oden from gargoyles please??
send them to:
No. I'm not a clearing house. I answer questions here. I don't have stuff like that to send. Sorry.
Did you try asking in the comment room?
Are gargoyles still sold in stores, if so where?
Can you be more specific? I'm not sure exactly what you mean.
But never mind. I don't have any info on that kind of stuff anyway.
Would you happen to know if there is going to be a DVD edition of GARAGOYLES: THE HEROES AWAKEN. It would amaze me if there isn't since Disney has already put a lot of c**p on DVD that I couldn't believe they did.
Not that I know of at this time.
Well I have been tring very hard as of late tring to get all of gargoyles on tape since disney has not released many on video. Is there any plan to do any dvd's that you know of? I know on dvds added features are a big thing and was wondering if you had been consulted on doing any commentary or anything. I have been watching gargoyles since it first started and I was not happy when it went off usa and I could not get toon disney at the time. So if there were dvd's or even the complete story on video I know atleast for me there is a demand for them.
No plan that I know of. Sorry. I'd like to see that too.
Is ther a way or place where I can buy all the episodes of Gargoyles?
I give up. Is there?
www.animationondvd.com has a petition for Gargoyles to go onto DVD up there. I wanna see everyone here sign it. :)
That other DVD link that person posted a handful of weeks ago btw was dead so heres for anyone interested!
Where Can I Find Pictures(esp.) And Story Snop. OF The Macebeth, Three Weird Sisters(withches), and Spells?
Don't know. Did you try the comment room?
Hi, sorry to bother you. If you never feel like answering
this at all it's okay. You've probably heard inquiries
such as this more than you'd like to. If you don't want to
read this eaither becasue it's so long that's okay too.
Anyway, Puck, who is, in my opinion the greatest character
ever created, stars in a broadcasting entilted
"The Mirror" I've been searching but haven't found the
episode on a VHS recording. Maybe I just haven't been
trying hard enough. I was just pondering if it is on a
VHS somewhere and if so could you state the title of the
main VHS it may be on or where else I may locate the
performance. Any help would be greatly appriciated.
Thanks again and sorry to occupy your time. Also, could
you thank Gore for putting up with this question if he
has? Thanks, have a excellent day!
You to. And don't apologize.
As far as I know, "The Mirror" is not available on VHS. Only first season episodes.
And thanks for giving me the opportunity to thank Gore for providing us with this site in the first place. And Todd for keeping it running efficiently.
Is there anyway I can still catch either on vhs or dvd the series? I am a huge fan and got perturbed when it was cancelled.
VHS tapes exist out there. DVD's do not.
Hey greg, Dvd Animania has a petion going to put gargoyles on dvd. The site is http://www.wildcoast.org/cgi-bin/petition.pl Everyone sign!
Cool. Everyone sign!!!
Where can I find a good picture of Lexington?
Did you try asking in the comment room?
This is a serious more business oriented question and I hope it does not break any of the guidelines. In fact I doubt it would be the kind of thing you would post.
I'm the President of a Roleplaying game company and I'm wondering who would I talk to in Disney about getting the License to create and market a Gargoyles roleplaying game book and suplements. I see it as nothing short of a shame that such a well made and loved world is rotting away.
Your the first part of my search for the information we need and hopefully you can help.
Maximum CNG, llc
I don't know who you'd talk to specifically, though God knows I'd love to work on something like that.
My advice is to contact the Walt Disney Company's Consumer Products Division. And ask them to direct you to the proper individual.
hello, when then scrolls of merlin are taken from their
original hiding place in the chest a image of merlin apears.How may I find this image? Looks like a ghost or
spirit of merlin. can you help? have seen the episode several times but cannot get the image. thanks.
I'm not a clearing house for this stuff. Did you ask in the Station Eight Comment or Chat rooms?
When "Gargoyles" was canceled I was greatly disappointed because my family does not have cable. Do you know if there are any videos of "Gargoyles" videos available on the market?
I don't know how easy they'd be to find these days, but the entire first season was at one point available on Home Video.
~an afterthought post~
For those who would like to get a copy of the complete set, If you want to e-mail me, [email@example.com], I can put you in contact with the man who sells them on eBay. They often go for $100.
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Greg, Congrats on finally making it through all of those questions!!! I'm so proud of you! ;oP *chuckles*
Anyway.... I recently aquired a complete set of Gargoyles Episodes, on Ebay. The quality isn't the best (Mono sound?), but just the same, it ~is~ all of the episodes. If you are interested in owning a copy of them, I'll gladly buy you a set, as a gift, and bring it with me to the Gathering in LA. It's the least a fan can do! :oD
That's sweet. But I have them all. Thanks though.
Here's my question. Are there any Gargoyles CDs or soundtracks available? It seems that soundtracks for videogames and animated series are just too impossible to find in the U.S. Over in Japan, it's as easy as pie to find CDs for such genres.
Anyway, I love your work and it's a shame the series got cancelled. I was so jaded to find that The Goliath Chronicles croaked and I almost cried, I really did. Gargoyles was the one of the VERY last cartoon series I actually LOVED before I got sucked into the world of anime (mostly Dragon Ball Z). Thanx for all the memories your series gave me to cherish and good luck on the next series- I'm looking forward to it :)
You're welcome. And no, no CD's or soundtracks that I know of.
Is there any way to purchase the complete series on video?
No. Not currently.
Hi Greg. Thanks for all the memos you've been posting about the early development of the series--they're a lot of fun to read. I was wondering if you had included any of them in the Gargoyles Encyclopedia you prepared? You seem to be finding these notes sporadically, so my guess is either you didn't include them, or you summarized them into a few facts, like how the series was originally a comedy and Demona's name was Dakota, etc. I think they would be worthy additions (and hey, anything that adds to the volume of a book can only make it better! Well, unless it's assigned reading....) And you also seem to composing the episode summaries and backgrounds as you watch them, but some of the things you mention might also be nice to see in the encyclopedia. Then again, I'm making a lot of assumptions--I don't know how your encylopedia is structured (which is also something I was wondering about, if you can discuss it). Maybe it's a good thing that you haven't found a publisher yet, since it gives you the chance to add to it and make necessary changes (like those in the Future Tense spinoff). Anyways, good luck getting it published. Maybe we should invite some publishers to the Gathering to show them that there's a demand!
Sounds good to me. Know any?
The Encyclopedia is not a behind the scenes document. It's currently about cannon. And by the way, it needs a major editing job.
any clue where I can get the Gargoyles genesis ROM? I've searched just about everywhere to no avail. send me a link at SoulofHonor@aol.com
No. Sorry. I don't know why people think I'm a clearing house for merchandise.
Hi Greg, I am a huge fan of the Gargoyles series. I have, or thought I had all the episodes on tape. Then I checked IMDB and saw that in 1998 there were 4 episodes that I had never heard of. Gargoyles: Brothers Betrayed (1998)
Gargoyles: Deeds of Deception (1998)
Gargoyles: The Force of Goliath (1998)
Gargoyles: The Hunted (1998) (V)
What are these episodes and where can I find them? Also are Pendragon and TGS seperate cartoon series and how do they tie into the Gargoyles lore? Thanks.
These aren't episodes. These are home video collections of episodes. Each tape or "title" has two episodes from the first season.
I believe "The Hunted" contains "Thrill of the Hunt" and "Temptation".
"Deeds of Deception" and "The Force of Goliath" contain "Deadly Force" & "Enter Macbeth" and "The Edge" & "Long Way to Morning". But I don't remember which contains which pair.
"Brothers Betrayed" definitely includes "Her Brother's Keeper" and "Reawakening".
We are having a difficult time finding the gargoyles action figures. E-bay has been our only avenue lately. Any suggestions?
Nope. Sorry. You might try attending the Gathering in L.A. this coming June. There always seem to be some action figures available in the dealers room.
where can i get tapes for the whole second season of gargoyles?
I don't know. Where?
Oh. That wasn't a riddle.
Well, I still don't know. But you might try posting in the comment room and see if anyone there knows.
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I was a fan of Gargoyles sometime back when it had first aired up here, I still am. I would watch it over and over again from begining to end if I had whatever station it still airs on. I was drawn to the whole story from the beginning (Like everyone else ;P ) and was really bummed out when it had finally ended (again like everyone else :P ).
I know it probably is personal to ask the questions, I'm about to ask, I dunno; But it's worth the hey.
There were alot of disapointing thoughts floating around my head about why a show with so much praise, and a wide variety of possible story lines and a good audience turn out, would have such a rough ending in it's final season. With trying to make the last season, so I thought I read; something about bumpy talks in just trying to be able to continue on for just that extra year longer with the show??. I Look at the Simpsons and wonder, what's so great about it that's had it survive over a decade on the air (Besides the MILLIONS of viewers. :/ . I started to hate it in the 6th year when I looked at it one day and asked myself.. What kind of messages is this show giving me?.. I looked at Gargoyles and found it to be much more realistic in it's scifi way, but the powering messages I got from it.. It was tremendous and it made me want more... But Yet Gargoyles? and other great shows of the past? :( Only live such short times. -.- I haven't kept up with the show since it had finally ended on Saturday morning television on channel CBS? or NBC, ugh (I can't recall) and I didn't have internet till just the last 2 years and never really realized how far the show had gone despite it's absense from the drawing board. By then the Gargoyle Fandom had gone so deep with people creating fanfics and Picts and websites .. Your Conventions.. that I didn't know where to begin.. So much information and such.. That.. I felt like a stranger. I'm in a location to up in eastern Canada, and it doesn't leave me for any place to go.. Not like I can hop in a car and go to the cons and meet people.. Which made me wonder about rebuilding something, I only seem to hear about that time seems to have forgotten. Maybe because it was forced to be shut down due to legal reasons or something I have no idea.. Which is why I also want to ask for your permission on something.
See.. I remember years ago an online role playing/chatroom type virtual game. Something called, or simular to the name ' Gargoyle's Muck ' Was it shut down for any particular reason?. I'm just wondering because I was kinda wanting to remake a Muck of that same origin, based on the episode 'Future Tense'. If you allow or disallow the making of Mucks or Mu*'s can ya let me know?.. I would like to add, that If needed I would put a Disclaimer in the Login window saying it does not infringe any copyrights.. Which Mucks normally don't do.. There are other Mucks based on other Disney shows or Movies.. ie.. The Lion King Muck for example. They are basically like an open chat room like in the forum or what ever it is you call it here on the station 8 site. I guess you already know -.-
But if you could get back to me on that I'd appriciate it.. Also would there be any harm if you could have your Board posting sensor guy (Gore) to forward your reply to my email account at firstname.lastname@example.org instead of pinning it up on the board to the public? or do you not allow that either.. I appoligize if I may end up saying something out of terms which could result in You (Greg) not recieving this.. If it doesn't get through I would like to know so I could remember to not ask again in the future if need be.
And to leave off, I was wondering if there were any future plans for a return to television or the screen or even a rl movie of Gargoyles.. I have no idea if any of these have been asked before.. I appoligize for my ignorance -.- .. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was made into a RL Movie flick, So.. Why no Gargoyles.. I would love to see that.
--- Thankyou.. Sincerly: Cory Pender
I don't know what a Muck is, let alone why one would be shut down. And I'm afraid I can't GIVE you permission to do anything Gargoyles related, as I don't own it. Disney does. I don't represent Disney. I'm not saying you can't do it. I'm just saying I have no idea.
And, no, I'm afraid we don't give personal direct e-mail responses here. If I sent you one, everyone would want that. And aside from the fact that I don't have the time to personally maintain e-mail correspondence with EVERYONE in the fandom, those personal e-mails would prevent everyone from getting the answers to everyone else's questions.
As to Live-Action movies, I'm going to direct you to the ASK GREG Archive that deals specifically with that topic.
HAS ELIZA MAZA EVER BEEN SERIOUSLY INJURIED IN ANY EPISODE OF GARGOYLES, AND IF SO CAN YOU TELL ME IF THEY MADE A COMIC OF THAT PERTICULAR EPISODE AND THE NUMBER OF THAT COMIC IF YOU PLEASE,ALSO IF THERE IS SUCH AN EPISODE DID THEY MAKE A VIDEO OF THAT PERTICULAR EPISODE, AND IF SO IF IT IS AVAILABLE TO BUY THAN YOU
Elisa was seriously injured in an episode called "Deadly Force" which was at one time available on Video. You'd have to scrounge around to find it now, I think.
I don't think it was ever adapted into the comic.
Ack! I meant to ask ya at the Gathering and forgot all about it!
Did you happen to see the Disney Quest shirts? The ones with the male, lilac gargoyle. It resembles Goliath, but it's eyes are glowing green, his forehead and chin was larger and his tail is more like the "devil tail". What did you think of them?
I don't think I saw them.
how do i/can i purchase the video collection
At this point, I don't know.
I was wondering if there is anyway to get a gargoyles screensaver? And if there is where can I get one???
I have no idea. Try asking in the comment room.
I remember going through a phase (quite a long one) where I was desperate for a GARGOYLES soundtrack. Carl Johnson's music was one of the main reasons the show hooked me. Obviously, I never got ahold of a soundtrack, as one doesn't exist. Which I find very annoying.
Disney doesn't, to my knowledge, put out soundtracks for any of their cartoons. Why? You know, and I'd think they'd know, that they could make money off it. There are plenty of collectors out there, nostalgic adults, excitable kiddies, or just plain fans. They could even release a "Disney Afternoon Collection" or something. Companies have tried marketing much stupider things. Disney music, in comparison, would be a very safe bet.
What do you think? Is there any reason Disney never explores that market avenue? Any chance they would in the future?
I know, once, long before Gargoyles came out they DID release a Disney Afternoon album which included themes from DuckTales, Rescue Rangers, Gummi Bears, etc. I don't have any idea how well it sold. I just remember seeing it in the Disney Stores lo those many years ago.
Personally, I think Disney's missing a bet. But a lot has to do with "opportunity costs". A collector's market is great. But it costs money to cut a record that only a few people (relatively speaking) are going to buy. If they don't think they have a MASS market for the music, they'd probably want to spend the money on what they'd view as a bigger opportunity.
Ack, forgot to put my name on the last post. Those questions you got from "Anonymous" about gargoyle-beasts were from me. Anyways, these ones are about merchandise.
1. From what I've seen in your previous comments, especially those regarding the helicopter, you weren't too thrilled with the "Gargoyles" action figure line. Are there any "Gargoyles" related items that were produced which you do like? I just managed to obtain a set of the large Applause figures from a friend of mine. They are really nice likenesses of the characters, although I still need to repaint Demona's hair. (It's black, lest you didn't know.) And I have a soft spot for my Coldstone figure. Pretty nice likeness, good action features, plus it was a gift from the guy who was soon to be my boyfriend at the time.
2. On the flip side, is there any "Gargoyles" item you wish you could have recalled and destroyed? I seldom hear anyone with much good to say about the Macbeth figure. His costume is totaly inaccurate and the stone smashing "thingy" he wields goes against his comment in his first appearence about not stooping so low as to smash the clan while they sleep. I wish the Elisa figure had her regular costume. And while I can live with the "Heroes Awaken" version of "Awakening", I really dislike the box art.
3. In order to end this on a more positive note, is there anything in particular you would have liked to see made? A certain figure? Statues? Art books? Bedsheets?
Thanks as always for your time.
1. That's not really true. It was very cool to see the gargs "brought to life" as toys. Some of the figures, particularly Brooklyn, were very flawed. But even so, I generally loved the first wave of toys. My disappointment was that they ended up making so few characters. Just taking the Batman approach and remaking multiple versions of everyone. I was VERY glad when they finally made Coldstone. I love that figure. And though the "screen" on his chest obviously doesn't really exist on the show, I thought it was a great idea for a toy. True to the spirit of a very confused character.
2. Recall? No. Fix? Sure.
3. That Lexington doorknob. But seriously, I'd have like to have seen more action figures covering more of our characters. Angela at least. And personally, I'd have liked to have been given the opportunity to write a series of novels.
My friend and fellow producer Jonathan Klein has just informed me that the TOWER RECORDS OUTLET STORE on Hollywood Blvd (in the mall with the Galaxy Theater, just east of La Brea) has multiple LASER DISK copies of the GARGOYLES animated "movie" available for $7 each.
Now, I never knew they released this on laser disk so I have no idea which of the three versions it is.
It could be the five episodes of the pilot collected together.
It's probably the version of the pilot which we edited for the big screen premiere in Orlando in '94, which was later released on home video.
But it may be the version that somebody edited as a TV movie for syndication.
Or, since it's a Laser Disk, it's possible it contains all three. I don't know. I haven't seen it myself.
But I just thought you'd all want to know.
Where can I but the Gargoyle collections of tv sitcom cartoons, all of them, from beginning on fox to ending on abc.
When were they on Fox?
And I don't think you can.
I have a question. I have been watching Gargoyles for some time now but I can never seem to get to watch all the episodes. Do you have or know of a summery of the plot for the series. I think that would be really helpfull
I'm sure someone's got it posted somewhere. Try asking in the comment room. If nothing else, you'll get a faster response.
where can you find really good pictures of Desdemona and Iago?
I don't know. By watching episodes that they're in?
Dear Greg I am a great fan of photography of the hunter for some reason or another it attracts my atention. I have recently been trying to find pictures of the hunter at gargoyle websites, I have found a few but not have been able to get a full body shot. So I was hoping you could tell me where I can find some good hunter photography ?
No idea. Sorry. Have you asked in the comment room?
Looking for help locating a picture of Goliath in Stone it's for my daughter who collotes the picture but I cant fine one can you help
Uh, sorry. Have you asked in the comment room?
1.) What did you think of the action figures that Kenner put out of Gargoyles?
2.) If you could pick one character they didn't make a figure of, who would it be?
3.) What kind of merchandise do you wish they did?
1. I liked them generally. They weren't perfect, but it's hard to describe to you how cool it feels to see your own characters as action figures.
--Brooklyn was a bit of a letdown. He was supposed to have a special feature inside his jaw, which is why his head and neck are so distorted. But that special feature was too expensive, so all we get is a bad sculpt.
--Broadway looks cool to me with no neck, reminds me of something I once saw in Disney's Haunted Mansion.
--Lex's wings aren't quite right, but if you pose him correctly it's hard to notice.
--I think one of the Goliath's is great.
--And another one made a great Thailog once I applied liquid paper to his hair.
--And my wife turned a second Demona into an Angela that's pretty O.K.
--Macbeth's skin color is odd, but otherwise he's pretty cool. --I'm fine with the Steel Clan Robot.
--And Xanatos, once they got the color of his armor right. --Elisa's a little pale, and she's wearing the wrong clothes of course, but I can generally live with that. We kept her too often in the same clothes anyway. Some of my favorite episodes are the ones where we varied her wardrobe.
--Hudson works too.
--And I just LOVE Bronx.
--Coldstone is very cool and thematic -- i.e., the screen with the multiple personalities is an interesting addition.
--But all those umpteen variations on the characters were tiresome. I wish they had just made a greater variety of characters.
2. If I could only pick one, it would have to be Angela. I begged them to do her. But they wouldn't because neither Demona or Elisa sold very well. After Angela, the list is fairly endless. I'd start with Talan probably, add in Pack members, etc. Etc. Etc.
3. I'd love it if they had let me write some novels.
Dear Greg, First off I wanted to tell you that Gargoyles is my all time favorite cartoon. I loved the twisting storylines that always kept me guessing what would happen next. Another reason I love the show so much is all the voice talent from actors/actresses that starred in Star Trek shows. I watch the show all the time on toon disney and I know the show was cancelled a while back. This brings me to my question. I was visiting a website called the internet movie database (www.imdb.com) and under Gargoyles it has listed several episodes or movies that were made in 1998 and 1999. I was wondering if you were involved with these and if you know where I could find them? Also I was recently in a blockbuster video and on their preview show they have running in the store there was a segment on gargoyles and it said there are 2 new movies coming out, again are you involved with these and do you know what it is about? Thank you for your time and effort and most of all thank you for creating the gargoyles.
It sounds like your information is or was innacurate. There haven't been any new episodes since the 96-97 season of Goliath Chronicles. The first season was released on Home Video, but that was also some time ago. A new version of AWAKENING was edited together without my input and placed in a movie syndication package that can occasionally be seen on television. The original 65 episodes air on Toon Disney twice a night. Touchstone is developing a Live-Action Movie. But they don't have a useable script yet.
That's all I know of, and all I think there is to know.
My boyfriend really likes Gargoyles and wants limited edition art. We went to a gallery in Dowtown Disney and they were out of the art cels. Where do you recommend we look next? Thanks in advance for your reply.
Sorry, but I don't have a clue. Disney Stores used to carry them. But I haven't seen any there recently.
Because my ramble-replies to "Temptation", "Deadly Force", and "Enter Macbeth" were all lost in the recent crash, I'm sending reconstructed versions in again. This one's for "Temptation".
One thing that I really like about this episode is Demona's development. She's in the wrong, but she's convincingly in the wrong, as she explains why humans will never accept gargoyles. Even Goliath has to admit at the end that what she told Brooklyn about humans is partly (but only partly) true. It's part of what makes her such an effective villain.
At the same time, Elisa shows at the end, by her loyalty to the clan, and her cleverness in finding a way of freeing Goliath from the spell, that not all humans are evil or anti-gargoyle, an important point. (That's why I don't really mind Elisa's means of freeing Goliath, even if it is, as you mentioned, borderline "cheating". The reward that came from showing that some humans could help gargoyles more than outweighed the problem in question). Merely showing Demona to be treacherous and scheming wouldn't be enough to counter her arguments.
And Brooklyn comes across very sympathetically, too. I liked your analysis of his behavior in this episode.
The Cloisters bit is one of my favorite parts, especially where Brooklyn talked about it being so much like "the world that we came from". (And no, I didn't think that that meant that the gargoyles were aliens; I understood that he was talking about medieval Scotland). That part clicked for me because of my (mentioned before) fondness for things relating to the Middle Ages.
And I was amused by your little bit about the motorcycle. Between that and the "garg-chopper" in "Her Brother's Keeper", it's pretty clear that the gargoyles' vehicles never seem to last very long. (Not that that's really surprising; as Goliath pointed out in "Protection", gargoyles supply their own transportation, which makes fancy motorcycles and aircraft for them pretty much redundant).
(I take it that the "Eye of the Storm" "suggested toy" that you eluded to was Goliath in his "Odinic" form?)
THUNDER STORM GOLIATH, or something like that, yeah. I think they wound up making Hudson or someone else the Thunder Storm Toy. (I remember Brooklyn was ice storm.) Oh, well.
What channel does the Goliath cronicals air on? How did you get clips?
I don't have clips. Are you asking me or Gorebash, who runs this site?
I don't know if Goliath Chronicles is airing at all. If so, it's on Disney Channel or Toon Disney. Neither of which I get here at home.
Story Editor: Michael Reaves
Written by Marty Isenberg & Robert N. Skir
I just watched "Legion" again. Time to Ramble.
From the memo I posted earlier this week, you'll see that the never used on screen names of Othello, Desdemona and Iago were my idea. But I've always wondered if that's the case. The outline that Marty and Bob wrote immediately prior to that memo had all the Othello elements very, very present in the story. All they didn't do was NAME the characters. I always wondered whether they and/or Michael had the Othello story specifically in mind, consciously or un-, and I just capitalized on it.
The Goldencup Bakery Building, which semi-secretly houses a defense department hi-tech research and development installation is modeled after the Silver Cup Bakery Building -- which actually exists in Brooklyn (as I recall). That Building was trashed in the original HIGHLANDER movie in the final battle between Connor and the Kragen (who was played by a pretty damned horrific Clancy Brown). Small world.
I was always worried that the whole Othello, Desdemona, Iago, Cassio (whoops, I mean Goliath) backstory was a bit vague in this episode. Did anyone have problems getting it?
I don't think I'd like to be one of those Goldencup Guards. Coldstone punches one of them out. That's gotta hoit. He just seems fairly unstoppable in that Xanatos-program controlled sequence. I like how that plays.
Matt says to Elisa: "You never let me drive." My wife's reaction: "Was that in homage to me?" My wife, you see, almost always drives when we're together. She gets carsick when anyone else drives. And I don't much care.
Speaking of Matt, we've got that line about him spending six months reading RECAP manuals to justify why a normal detective would be in charge of RECAP in the first place. Just trying to avoid either adding a superfluous character and/or making the situation seem artificial.
Another appearance of the Scarab Corp. Logo, even though Scarab is never mentioned by name. Oh, well...
Coldstone flees the Goldencup. Goliath and Lex pursue, and Coldstone attacks them. Then he immediately stops, when he sees it's Goliath. The problem I always had with that scene is that the lighting made it obvious that it was Goliath from moment one. (Not just to us, but to Coldstone.) If Goliath had been in shadows, it would have played better.
Minutes later Lex asks Goliath if it's wise to take Coldstone into their home: "He hasn't always been your friend." This was, theoretically, a reference not simply to the most recent attack, nor even only to the events of "Reawakening", but also a reference to the pre-Massacre backstory of the actually non-existent love triangle (or square or pentagram if you include Demona) that caused Goliath and Othello to fight way back when. Lex remembers those days too. Othello was always a bit of a hot-head.
I love Goliath's response: "Without trust there can be no clan." And I love that this is part of a Lex/Goliath exchange. It fits in perfectly with the message they taught each other in "Thrill of the Hunt". Gotta take some chances on occasion. Or else you'll always be alone. It's an anti-Demona mentality. Or rather a mentality that is strikingly un-Demona-esque.
From the moment Coldstone premiered in "Reawakening" I knew (that if we survived to a second season) we'd discover that he was created from three Gargoyles. Tried to work that conceptually into the design more, but we never quite achieved it. So basically that becomes something that the audience has to take on trust.
Which brings me to the title "Legion". It's a one-word title which usually is a tip-off that it's one of mine. I know it's a biblical reference. Some possessed guy with a demon/devil inside who goes by the name "Legion". But that's not actually where I got it. When I was a kid, I saw this tv movie based on Mary Shelley's FRANKENSTEIN. It starred Michael Sarazan or Chris Sarandon. (I always used to mix those two guys up.) It was trying to present a more realistic believable version of the Frankenstein story. I was pretty young. And I don't remember too much about it. I do remember that I was supposed to be asleep -- past my bedtime in the days before my parents gave up and I began going to bed long after they were asleep. But instead of being asleep, I was watching it, in the dark, with the volume turned as far down as possible, me sitting right by the set, so I could flip it off if I heard my parents' door opening. (This was long before remote controls were common.) Anyway, the one scene that I really remember is a scene where they put the Monster under hypnosis. The voices of all the people who "donated" body parts begin to speak. And one of them quotes the "Legion" thing from the bible. But I didn't know that. That is I didn't know back then that he was quoting anyone or anything. It just seemed like a very powerful, poetic and humanly true statement. So it wasn't until college that I read that passage in the bible and realized where it was from. Can anyone cite the actual quote? I can't remember where exactly it's from, and I don't feel like searching right now.
Anyway, all this is relevant because Coldstone was ALWAYS our Frankenstein character from the "IT'S ALIVE!" moment to the "Legion" stuff here.
Coldstone calls Hudson "Mentor". That's a "name" I've been long considering for Hudson's "designation" in the DARK AGES prequel spin-off.
Coldstone shoots Goliath at point blank range. Goliath gets up unharmed. A far cry from what happened to G in "Long Way to Morning." Now in the outline and script, it says that Coldstone uses his "concussion cannon" as opposed to his laser cannon. But nothing in the as-aired episode makes that distinction. And so it just looks irresponsible to me. Like suddenly we're saying violence has no repercussions. Did that bother anyone else?
I love the dark comedy of Coldstone going bonkers at Ellis Island. Fighting with himself. I think Michael Dorn did a terrific job playing all four aspects of CS's personality. Which of you figured out what when? I'd like to know.
The Trio has the Recap visor. Now all they have to do is find Goliath, Hudson and Coldstone. How will they do that? "Three guesses?" A very elegant way to explain how in a huge city, they're able to locate three gargoyles.
Kenner's Coldstone toy is a lot of fun. With it's window into Coldstone's soul. And the spinner that allows any of the four personas to take over at random.
Xanatos doesn't even appear until the VERY END of Act Two. And it's not even really Xanatos, just a program designed by him. Normally, I'd say that wasn't playing fair. But I feel like his presence was obvious all-along. (And did David personally design that program. Or did he just put his stamp on it, management-style?)
There's a moment when Goliath, thrilled to see his rookery sister again, hugs Desdemona. She is immediately annoyed, because she knows that hug is prone to misinterpretation. It's a nice little touch in the animation.
I always wondered what if anything Demona thought about that ancient conflict way back when. Was Iago playing her as well? Trying to make her jealous of Desdemona? I think maybe he did try. But wouldn't it be cool if she didn't credit it for a second. If she just knew intuitively that Desdemona didn't present any threat at all to her relationship with G? Because, I feel the opposite is true. That Demona knew intuitively that Elisa DID present a threat. Say what you want for Demona, but her subconscious knows her man.
I love that moment where BOTH Iago and Xanatos are whispering in Othello's ears. Poor slob never stood a chance.
We've got a nice little Xanatos tag in this one too. Certainly not a doozy as in "Leader" or "Metamorphosis", but it's got a nice little kick to it, I think. And that's THREE episodes in a row. X had been busy.
And then I love the last beat back at the clock tower. Goliath has confiscated Coldstone's body, to keep it safe and "among friends" should he/she ever wake up again. I wanted to keep it in the corner from that point until "High Noon". Always present and visible. We didn't for two reasons. First, we figured it would be a bit confusing. The Batcave can get away with the giant penny and other souvenirs from Batman's cases, because there ARE multiple souvenirs. But just having one immobile gargoyle in the background, as cool and creepy as that is, would be horribly distracting for any audience member who missed this one particular episode. And second, we had our tier system. What if "Legion" wasn't ready as scheduled. We couldn't have Coldstone sitting around the clock tower in later episodes that we'd be forced to air first. Talk about disconcerting. So we invented a back room. Where Coldstone, the Grimorum, the Gate and eventually the eye could be stored.
Comments welcome, as usual...
Is there any sites of the internet that i can download
and full length episodes from.?
If so could you please tell me the addresses.
I don't know. Try asking at the comment room.
(I feel like this same guy has posted this here before and I gave the same answer.)
'THRILL OF THE HUNT' comments.
Hi there, Greg. I'll be a bit behind everyone else with these comments I'm afraid. Should I put episode comments in separate posts if I talk about separate episodes? I'll do it just to be on the safe side.
Anyway, I like this episode a lot. It gives us the best view of Lexington's personality of the 66 (or indeed, 78), and I like the Pack here. Actually, the Pack appeal to me more here than in most of their subsequent outings. The predator/prey irony is very appealing, but the 'Evil Ninjas' amused me too. I wonder what happened to all those guys?
I never understood why this was listed under your list of dodgy animation anyway, really. Goliath was especially well-drawn throughout.
Loved Billy and Susan. The injustice is immensely frustrating to me, which of course is what makes it so great.
Incidentally, the first scene was nifty too. I'm not sure what about it appeals to me so much; maybe the great drawing, maybe the 'calm before the storm' tone, or maybe it's just because it's got Owen looking so... Owen. But it always sticks in my mind.
Pity that the last time I watched it (about a year ago), I pressed the wrong button after I wound it back and taped over this and most of 'TEMPTATION' before I realise what I'd done. Humbug. (It also took me forever to tape in the first place; Disney Channel UK ran through the whole series but played 'LONG WAY TO MORNING' twice in the proper spot and instead of 'THRILL OF THE HUNT'. Seems like it's one of those doomed episodes for me... not as doomed as 'MONSTERS' which I tried three times and had a disaster each time, but...
Sorry, it was so tough. This was one of the episodes released on Home Video? Could you get it that way?
I was wondering if you have seen the Sega Gargoyles video game. The reason I mention it is I am curious about the Rookery. Did it really look the way it was presented- i.e. lava pits and underground caverns- or did you have something else in mind?
I've seen the box. Can't really comment on the rest.